Obama, Chavez and Castro
 

BAR wrote:


"support and defend the Constitution from all enemies foreign and
domestic" is the clause that scares Obama.


Been out drinking with "d'marines" again, eh?

Obama, Chavez and Castro
 

Gene Kearns wrote:
On Mon, 29 Jun 2009 20:44:46 GMT, Ron penned the following well
considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats:

|
|"Gene" wrote in message
.. .
| On Mon, 29 Jun 2009 18:36:54 GMT, "Ron" wrote:
|
|
|"Gene" wrote in message
...
|
| It isn't WHAT they did, it is HOW they did it.
|
|How else would you expect them to deal with a President who is clearly in
|a
|power grab and acting outside the law and against the Constitution of the
|country?
|
|Any other alternative would have ended in a Civil War.
|
|
| You forgot to add: In your opinion..... unless you have a crystal
| ball.
|
|You didn't answer the question.
|

It was so ridiculous that I didn't think you'd want me too.....

Anyway, since he was an unpopular figure, civil war was HIGHLY
unlikely. I'd say that only about a 15% (or less) minority was upset
with him losing control.

What they should have done was *legally* order the elections stopped.
He should have been detained (not deported), charged, tried, and the
will of the court carried out. (Generally, in the US we hold the trial
AND THEN execute... not the other way around and everybody sort of
expects that. Not you?) What they did was not legal, it was
suspension of democracy by the military for some expedient. That is
NEVER a good idea unless you really don't value democracy.

You are a Honduran Constitutional law expert now.

Now, instead of the highly unlikely internal civil war, you have
fairly serious saber rattling all over South America. So far as I
know, there have been NO nations that have accepted the way things
were handled in Honduras. Do you know of any?


It only has to be accepted by the citizens of Honduras, it is their
country.

Obama, Chavez and Castro
 

HK wrote:
Ron wrote:
"Gene" wrote in message
...
On Mon, 29 Jun 2009 18:36:54 GMT, "Ron" wrote:

"Gene" wrote in message
...

It isn't WHAT they did, it is HOW they did it.
How else would you expect them to deal with a President who is
clearly in a
power grab and acting outside the law and against the Constitution
of the
country?

Any other alternative would have ended in a Civil War.

You forgot to add: In your opinion..... unless you have a crystal
ball.

You didn't answer the question.


"How else would you expect them to deal with a President who is clearly i
a
power grab and acting outside the law and against the Constitution
of the
country?"


We let Bush/Cheney finish their term, though there still is a glimmer of
hope Cheney will be indicted, arrested, convicted, and offered the other
bunk in Madoff's cell.

You have not answered the question: What was the government going to do
with a president that decided to change the constitution so he could
be president for as long as he like.

obama is absolutely wrong in supporting a president who was trying to
become a dictator. one who disregarded their country's Constitution,
their Supreme Court and their Legislature.

Obama, Chavez and Castro
 

On Mon, 29 Jun 2009 20:26:54 -0400, Keith Nuttle
wrote:

HK wrote:
Ron wrote:
"Gene" wrote in message
...
On Mon, 29 Jun 2009 18:36:54 GMT, "Ron" wrote:

"Gene" wrote in message
...

It isn't WHAT they did, it is HOW they did it.
How else would you expect them to deal with a President who is
clearly in a
power grab and acting outside the law and against the Constitution
of the
country?

Any other alternative would have ended in a Civil War.

You forgot to add: In your opinion..... unless you have a crystal
ball.

You didn't answer the question.


"How else would you expect them to deal with a President who is clearly i
a
power grab and acting outside the law and against the Constitution
of the
country?"


We let Bush/Cheney finish their term, though there still is a glimmer of
hope Cheney will be indicted, arrested, convicted, and offered the other
bunk in Madoff's cell.

You have not answered the question: What was the government going to do
with a president that decided to change the constitution so he could
be president for as long as he like.

obama is absolutely wrong in supporting a president who was trying to
become a dictator. one who disregarded their country's Constitution,
their Supreme Court and their Legislature.

He should have been dealt with in accordance with their constitution.
Does it prescribe that he should be thrown out of the country? Perhaps
they have courtrooms in Honduras? Lawyers? Judges?

Obama, Chavez and Castro
 

Keith Nuttle wrote:
HK wrote:
Ron wrote:
"Gene" wrote in message
...
On Mon, 29 Jun 2009 18:36:54 GMT, "Ron" wrote:

"Gene" wrote in message
...

It isn't WHAT they did, it is HOW they did it.
How else would you expect them to deal with a President who is
clearly in a
power grab and acting outside the law and against the Constitution
of the
country?

Any other alternative would have ended in a Civil War.

You forgot to add: In your opinion..... unless you have a crystal
ball.

You didn't answer the question.


"How else would you expect them to deal with a President who is clearly i
a
power grab and acting outside the law and against the
Constitution of the
country?"


We let Bush/Cheney finish their term, though there still is a glimmer
of hope Cheney will be indicted, arrested, convicted, and offered the
other bunk in Madoff's cell.

You have not answered the question: What was the government going to do
with a president that decided to change the constitution so he could be
president for as long as he like.

obama is absolutely wrong in supporting a president who was trying to
become a dictator. one who disregarded their country's Constitution,
their Supreme Court and their Legislature.

Birds of a feather, as they say.

Obama, Chavez and Castro
 

Keith Nuttle wrote:
HK wrote:
Ron wrote:
"Gene" wrote in message
...
On Mon, 29 Jun 2009 18:36:54 GMT, "Ron" wrote:

"Gene" wrote in message
...

It isn't WHAT they did, it is HOW they did it.
How else would you expect them to deal with a President who is
clearly in a
power grab and acting outside the law and against the Constitution
of the
country?

Any other alternative would have ended in a Civil War.

You forgot to add: In your opinion..... unless you have a crystal
ball.

You didn't answer the question.


"How else would you expect them to deal with a President who is clearly i
a
power grab and acting outside the law and against the
Constitution of the
country?"


We let Bush/Cheney finish their term, though there still is a glimmer
of hope Cheney will be indicted, arrested, convicted, and offered the
other bunk in Madoff's cell.

You have not answered the question: What was the government going to do
with a president that decided to change the constitution so he could be
president for as long as he like.


Follow legal procedures that didn't involve a military coup?

Obama, Chavez and Castro
 

HK wrote:
BAR wrote:


"support and defend the Constitution from all enemies foreign and
domestic" is the clause that scares Obama.


Been out drinking with "d'marines" again, eh?

What is wrong with going out drinking with the marines. You will get a
better picture of what is actually happening in Iraq than going out
drinking with a bunch of leftist whose whole life is in the virtual
world of their computers.

Obama, Chavez and Castro
 

Keith Nuttle wrote:
HK wrote:
BAR wrote:


"support and defend the Constitution from all enemies foreign and
domestic" is the clause that scares Obama.


Been out drinking with "d'marines" again, eh?

What is wrong with going out drinking with the marines. You will get a
better picture of what is actually happening in Iraq than going out
drinking with a bunch of leftist whose whole life is in the virtual
world of their computers.

Harry hasn't ever had to take an oath of office. And, Harry doesn't
understand the implications of that oath of office. The oath is not
sworn to a man but sworn to uphold the Constitution against all of those
who would subvert the Constitution regardless of who they are and where
they are.

The interesting thing is that the deposed president of Honduras was
trying to pull a Hugo Chavez and the people of Honduras through their
duly constituted government said that ain't gonna happen here and flew
the ******* to Costa Rica.

Try to hold an referendum that the Honduran Supreme Court ruled was
unconstitutional and you get a one-way ticket out of the country. Seems
like a fair trade.

Obama, Chavez and Castro
 

BAR wrote:
Keith Nuttle wrote:
HK wrote:
BAR wrote:


"support and defend the Constitution from all enemies foreign and
domestic" is the clause that scares Obama.


Been out drinking with "d'marines" again, eh?

What is wrong with going out drinking with the marines. You will get
a better picture of what is actually happening in Iraq than going out
drinking with a bunch of leftist whose whole life is in the virtual
world of their computers.

Harry hasn't ever had to take an oath of office. And, Harry doesn't
understand the implications of that oath of office. The oath is not
sworn to a man but sworn to uphold the Constitution against all of those
who would subvert the Constitution regardless of who they are and where
they are.

The interesting thing is that the deposed president of Honduras was
trying to pull a Hugo Chavez and the people of Honduras through their
duly constituted government said that ain't gonna happen here and flew
the ******* to Costa Rica.

Try to hold an referendum that the Honduran Supreme Court ruled was
unconstitutional and you get a one-way ticket out of the country. Seems
like a fair trade.


If Harry was ever elected or appointed to an office he would,
undoubtedly ask his BFF Barney Frank to administer the oath of orifice.

Obama, Chavez and Castro
 

"Gene Kearns" wrote in message
...
On Mon, 29 Jun 2009 20:44:46 GMT, Ron penned the following well
considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats:

|
|"Gene" wrote in message
.. .
| On Mon, 29 Jun 2009 18:36:54 GMT, "Ron" wrote:
|
|
|"Gene" wrote in message
...
|
| It isn't WHAT they did, it is HOW they did it.
|
|How else would you expect them to deal with a President who is clearly
in
|a
|power grab and acting outside the law and against the Constitution of
the
|country?
|
|Any other alternative would have ended in a Civil War.
|
|
| You forgot to add: In your opinion..... unless you have a crystal
| ball.
|
|You didn't answer the question.
|


It was so ridiculous that I didn't think you'd want me too.....


What an arrogant prick you are.

Anyway, since he was an unpopular figure, civil war was HIGHLY
unlikely. I'd say that only about a 15% (or less) minority was upset
with him losing control.


In an protracted fight for the power of a country, 15% of the population is
more than enough to spark a civil war.


What they should have done was *legally* order the elections stopped.

They did that. The Congress, and the Supreme Court both ordered the
President to halt the illegal referendum. He decided against that and called
in the assistance of a foreign country to come into the country to run the
election. That my friend is treason.


He should have been detained (not deported), charged, tried, and the
will of the court carried out.

Deporting him was doing him a favor. He has been informed he is more than
welcome to return if he wants to spend 20+ years in prison.

(Generally, in the US we hold the trial
AND THEN execute... not the other way around and everybody sort of
expects that. Not you?)

We're not talking about the US, but in the event that a sitting US President
decided to circumvent the US Constitution and hold an illegal national
referendum to circumvent the Constitution, the Congress, and the Supreme
Court I would hope that our military would act accordingly.

What they did was not legal, it was
suspension of democracy by the military for some expedient. That is
NEVER a good idea unless you really don't value democracy.


What they did was legal under the laws of their country.


Now, instead of the highly unlikely internal civil war, you have
fairly serious saber rattling all over South America.
So far as I know, there have been NO nations that have accepted the way
things
were handled in Honduras. Do you know of any?

Honduras is a sovereign country and does not require outside approval of
their actions. What they did is in accordance with their laws, and the will
of the democratically elected representatives, and therefore the people.