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On Jun 28, 1:23*pm, Tim wrote:
On Jun 28, 12:01*pm, John H wrote:





On Sun, 28 Jun 2009 09:35:02 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote:

On Jun 28, 10:24*am, TinyTim wrote:
.... the high incidence of new model Mercruiser starters *early
failure *is endemic to the pervasive *decline in business management
ethics and general skill. *If these folks do not get on board with
Edwards Deming precepts...every body loses.....country .....customers
and labor. *

My son in law had to remove his motor starter after 150 hours of
little use. *I saw it. *I could not believe the inferior construction
of the brush holders. Tin parts installed in a tin can design. *I
heard rumors Mallory is running full tilt *as people wise up to
Mercury's inferior OEM network and *then switch to Mallory. I hope
that is fact. *But the cost of labor to remove and replace an I/O
starter is huge as many of you know. .

Which year of starters are you refering to?
usually the early *(Delco 8 & 10 MT) marine units were heavy but cheap
to fix. *then later on the gear reductions came out. The first models
made in Korea were the same as on an 80's Chevy s-10 and weren't much
to brag about concerning power, *and repairs were costly like the rest
of the unit. Now the new series is *little gear reduction which is a
Mitsubishi knock-off which is made in India for pity sakes.

But the Delco PM/260 is the way to go. they work well on anything from
a 3.0 up to a GM 503 CID. Both automotive and marine.

But regardless, ALL starters are prone to humidity and a lot of people
will let the bilge fill up to where the starter motor is baptized even
for a moment, then the corrosion begins. But even if kept dry, just
the humidity in the bilge will keep the starter damp and the rust
starts happening.

BTW, you say people are switching to Mallory? Mallory what? Mallory
doesn't make a starter.

I hope he knows that you know a *lot* about starters and other
electric motors.

Maybe he'll consider this fair warning.

I'd hate for him to feel too badly.
--
John H

"Socialism in general has a record of failure so blatant
that only an intellectual could ignore or evade it."
-- Thomas Sowell

Well, after almost 30 years of working on them daily , I would hope to
think I've learned something.

But I'm always open for suggestions...

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I think Harry's father invented the electric starter.........

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On Jun 28, 12:21*pm, Tim wrote:
On Jun 28, 11:45*am, HK wrote:



Tim wrote:
On Jun 28, 10:24 am, TinyTim wrote:
.... the high incidence of new model Mercruiser starters *early
failure *is endemic to the pervasive *decline in business management
ethics and general skill. *If these folks do not get on board with
Edwards Deming precepts...every body loses.....country .....customers
and labor. *

My son in law had to remove his motor starter after 150 hours of
little use. *I saw it. *I could not believe the inferior construction
of the brush holders. Tin parts installed in a tin can design. *I
heard rumors Mallory is running full tilt *as people wise up to
Mercury's inferior OEM network and *then switch to Mallory. I hope
that is fact. *But the cost of labor to remove and replace an I/O
starter is huge as many of you know. .

Which year of starters are you refering to?
usually the early *(Delco 8 & 10 MT) marine units were heavy but cheap
to fix. *then later on the gear reductions came out. The first models
made in Korea were the same as on an 80's Chevy s-10 and weren't much
to brag about concerning power, *and repairs were costly like the rest
of the unit. Now the new series is *little gear reduction which is a
Mitsubishi knock-off which is made in India for pity sakes.

But the Delco PM/260 is the way to go. they work well on anything from
a 3.0 up to a GM 503 CID. Both automotive and marine.

But regardless, ALL starters are prone to humidity and a lot of people
will let the bilge fill up to where the starter motor is baptized even
for a moment, then the corrosion begins. But even if kept dry, just
the humidity in the bilge will keep the starter damp and the rust
starts happening.

BTW, you say people are switching to Mallory? Mallory what? Mallory
doesn't make a starter.

Well, maybe, maybe no:

http://www.iboats.com/Mallory_Starte...dm/cart_id.066...

Certainly is a dangerous position. A few weeks ago, a poster here
claimed that Husqvarna "never made" the lawn/garden tractor model I own..
* He insisted. He was certain.

He was...wrong.

Harry, that starter is made in china *and sold though various
suppliers, *all it is , is *marketed through Mallory.

LOL. now THIS crack's me up!

look at the prices and how much you "save" on these Mariner
starters.

I just got a guy a starter which was no name but was identical to his
O.E. starter for his 25 hp mariner brand new for $120.00 and I made
some profit on the deal.

internet shopping isn't always the best way to go....

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On Sun, 28 Jun 2009 10:21:45 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote:

On Jun 28, 11:45*am, HK wrote:
Tim wrote:
On Jun 28, 10:24 am, TinyTim wrote:
.... the high incidence of new model Mercruiser starters *early
failure *is endemic to the pervasive *decline in business management
ethics and general skill. *If these folks do not get on board with
Edwards Deming precepts...every body loses.....country .....customers
and labor. *

My son in law had to remove his motor starter after 150 hours of
little use. *I saw it. *I could not believe the inferior construction
of the brush holders. Tin parts installed in a tin can design. *I
heard rumors Mallory is running full tilt *as people wise up to
Mercury's inferior OEM network and *then switch to Mallory. I hope
that is fact. *But the cost of labor to remove and replace an I/O
starter is huge as many of you know. .

Which year of starters are you refering to?
usually the early *(Delco 8 & 10 MT) marine units were heavy but cheap
to fix. *then later on the gear reductions came out. The first models
made in Korea were the same as on an 80's Chevy s-10 and weren't much
to brag about concerning power, *and repairs were costly like the rest
of the unit. Now the new series is *little gear reduction which is a
Mitsubishi knock-off which is made in India for pity sakes.

But the Delco PM/260 is the way to go. they work well on anything from
a 3.0 up to a GM 503 CID. Both automotive and marine.

But regardless, ALL starters are prone to humidity and a lot of people
will let the bilge fill up to where the starter motor is baptized even
for a moment, then the corrosion begins. But even if kept dry, just
the humidity in the bilge will keep the starter damp and the rust
starts happening.

BTW, you say people are switching to Mallory? Mallory what? Mallory
doesn't make a starter.

Well, maybe, maybe no:

http://www.iboats.com/Mallory_Starte...dm/cart_id.066...

Certainly is a dangerous position. A few weeks ago, a poster here
claimed that Husqvarna "never made" the lawn/garden tractor model I own.
* He insisted. He was certain.

He was...wrong.

Harry, that starter is made in china and sold though various
suppliers, all it is , is marketed through Mallory.

Do you expect us to believe that there is any chance in the world that
you might know more about starters than Harold?

No way, man!
--
John H

"A government policy to rob Peter to pay Paul can
be assured of the support of Paul."
-- George Bernard Shaw

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Gene wrote:
On Sun, 28 Jun 2009 09:35:02 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote:

On Jun 28, 10:24 am, TinyTim wrote:
.... the high incidence of new model Mercruiser starters early
failure is endemic to the pervasive decline in business management
ethics and general skill. If these folks do not get on board with
Edwards Deming precepts...every body loses.....country .....customers
and labor.

My son in law had to remove his motor starter after 150 hours of
little use. I saw it. I could not believe the inferior construction
of the brush holders. Tin parts installed in a tin can design. I
heard rumors Mallory is running full tilt as people wise up to
Mercury's inferior OEM network and then switch to Mallory. I hope
that is fact. But the cost of labor to remove and replace an I/O
starter is huge as many of you know. .

Which year of starters are you refering to?
usually the early (Delco 8 & 10 MT) marine units were heavy but cheap
to fix. then later on the gear reductions came out. The first models
made in Korea were the same as on an 80's Chevy s-10 and weren't much
to brag about concerning power, and repairs were costly like the rest
of the unit. Now the new series is little gear reduction which is a
Mitsubishi knock-off which is made in India for pity sakes.

But the Delco PM/260 is the way to go. they work well on anything from
a 3.0 up to a GM 503 CID. Both automotive and marine.

But regardless, ALL starters are prone to humidity and a lot of people
will let the bilge fill up to where the starter motor is baptized even
for a moment, then the corrosion begins. But even if kept dry, just
the humidity in the bilge will keep the starter damp and the rust
starts happening.

BTW, you say people are switching to Mallory? Mallory what? Mallory
doesn't make a starter.

Mallory advertises that they are suppliers to OEMs (Including
Mercury). Could it be that the subject starter is actually a Chinese
knock-off?


What difference does it make? Lots of manufacturers contract out the
building of their products and then label them as their own. Who makes
Evinrude? Not Evinrude. The brand name is just an asset bought on the
cheap.

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On Jun 28, 12:46*pm, Gene wrote:
On Sun, 28 Jun 2009 09:35:02 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote:



On Jun 28, 10:24*am, TinyTim wrote:
.... the high incidence of new model Mercruiser starters *early
failure *is endemic to the pervasive *decline in business management
ethics and general skill. *If these folks do not get on board with
Edwards Deming precepts...every body loses.....country .....customers
and labor. *

My son in law had to remove his motor starter after 150 hours of
little use. *I saw it. *I could not believe the inferior construction
of the brush holders. Tin parts installed in a tin can design. *I
heard rumors Mallory is running full tilt *as people wise up to
Mercury's inferior OEM network and *then switch to Mallory. I hope
that is fact. *But the cost of labor to remove and replace an I/O
starter is huge as many of you know. .

Which year of starters are you refering to?
usually the early *(Delco 8 & 10 MT) marine units were heavy but cheap
to fix. *then later on the gear reductions came out. The first models
made in Korea were the same as on an 80's Chevy s-10 and weren't much
to brag about concerning power, *and repairs were costly like the rest
of the unit. Now the new series is *little gear reduction which is a
Mitsubishi knock-off which is made in India for pity sakes.

But the Delco PM/260 is the way to go. they work well on anything from
a 3.0 up to a GM 503 CID. Both automotive and marine.

But regardless, ALL starters are prone to humidity and a lot of people
will let the bilge fill up to where the starter motor is baptized even
for a moment, then the corrosion begins. But even if kept dry, just
the humidity in the bilge will keep the starter damp and the rust
starts happening.

BTW, you say people are switching to Mallory? Mallory what? Mallory
doesn't make a starter.

Mallory advertises that they are suppliers to OEMs (Including
Mercury). Could it be that the subject starter is actually a Chinese
knock-off?
--

Forté Agent 5.00 Build 1171

"Twenty years from now you will be more disappointed by
the things you didn't do than by the ones you did do.
So, throw off the bowlines. Sail away from the safe harbor.
Catch the trade winds in your sails.
Explore. Dream. Discover." * - Unknown

Grady-White Gulfstream, out of Oak Island, NC.

Homepagehttp://pamandgene.tranquilrefuge.net/boating/the_boat/my_boat.htm

Could be, Gene.

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Gene wrote:
On Sun, 28 Jun 2009 13:55:40 -0400, HK wrote:

Gene wrote:
On Sun, 28 Jun 2009 09:35:02 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote:

On Jun 28, 10:24 am, TinyTim wrote:
.... the high incidence of new model Mercruiser starters early
failure is endemic to the pervasive decline in business management
ethics and general skill. If these folks do not get on board with
Edwards Deming precepts...every body loses.....country .....customers
and labor.

My son in law had to remove his motor starter after 150 hours of
little use. I saw it. I could not believe the inferior construction
of the brush holders. Tin parts installed in a tin can design. I
heard rumors Mallory is running full tilt as people wise up to
Mercury's inferior OEM network and then switch to Mallory. I hope
that is fact. But the cost of labor to remove and replace an I/O
starter is huge as many of you know. .

Which year of starters are you refering to?
usually the early (Delco 8 & 10 MT) marine units were heavy but cheap
to fix. then later on the gear reductions came out. The first models
made in Korea were the same as on an 80's Chevy s-10 and weren't much
to brag about concerning power, and repairs were costly like the rest
of the unit. Now the new series is little gear reduction which is a
Mitsubishi knock-off which is made in India for pity sakes.

But the Delco PM/260 is the way to go. they work well on anything from
a 3.0 up to a GM 503 CID. Both automotive and marine.

But regardless, ALL starters are prone to humidity and a lot of people
will let the bilge fill up to where the starter motor is baptized even
for a moment, then the corrosion begins. But even if kept dry, just
the humidity in the bilge will keep the starter damp and the rust
starts happening.

BTW, you say people are switching to Mallory? Mallory what? Mallory
doesn't make a starter.
Mallory advertises that they are suppliers to OEMs (Including
Mercury). Could it be that the subject starter is actually a Chinese
knock-off?

What difference does it make? Lots of manufacturers contract out the
building of their products and then label them as their own. Who makes
Evinrude? Not Evinrude. The brand name is just an asset bought on the
cheap.

Somehow, this discussion seems to be migrating toward who badged the
item rather than how we can buy quality. The OP references Edwards
Deming....

These days, there's lots of badging, some good, some bad, some just
average. For most replacement automotive pieces and parts, a big brand
name isn't a great assurance.

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"Loogypicker" wrote in message
...
On Jun 28, 1:23 pm, Tim wrote:
On Jun 28, 12:01 pm, John H wrote:





On Sun, 28 Jun 2009 09:35:02 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote:

On Jun 28, 10:24 am, TinyTim wrote:
.... the high incidence of new model Mercruiser starters early
failure is endemic to the pervasive decline in business management
ethics and general skill. If these folks do not get on board with
Edwards Deming precepts...every body loses.....country .....customers
and labor.

My son in law had to remove his motor starter after 150 hours of
little use. I saw it. I could not believe the inferior construction
of the brush holders. Tin parts installed in a tin can design. I
heard rumors Mallory is running full tilt as people wise up to
Mercury's inferior OEM network and then switch to Mallory. I hope
that is fact. But the cost of labor to remove and replace an I/O
starter is huge as many of you know. .

Which year of starters are you refering to?
usually the early (Delco 8 & 10 MT) marine units were heavy but cheap
to fix. then later on the gear reductions came out. The first models
made in Korea were the same as on an 80's Chevy s-10 and weren't much
to brag about concerning power, and repairs were costly like the rest
of the unit. Now the new series is little gear reduction which is a
Mitsubishi knock-off which is made in India for pity sakes.

But the Delco PM/260 is the way to go. they work well on anything from
a 3.0 up to a GM 503 CID. Both automotive and marine.

But regardless, ALL starters are prone to humidity and a lot of people
will let the bilge fill up to where the starter motor is baptized even
for a moment, then the corrosion begins. But even if kept dry, just
the humidity in the bilge will keep the starter damp and the rust
starts happening.

BTW, you say people are switching to Mallory? Mallory what? Mallory
doesn't make a starter.

I hope he knows that you know a *lot* about starters and other
electric motors.

Maybe he'll consider this fair warning.

I'd hate for him to feel too badly.
--
John H

"Socialism in general has a record of failure so blatant
that only an intellectual could ignore or evade it."
-- Thomas Sowell

Well, after almost 30 years of working on them daily , I would hope to
think I've learned something.

But I'm always open for suggestions...

?;^ )- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

I think Harry's father invented the electric starter.........

Harry's real father is Kettering?

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Calif Bill wrote:
"Loogypicker" wrote in message
...
On Jun 28, 1:23 pm, Tim wrote:
On Jun 28, 12:01 pm, John H wrote:





On Sun, 28 Jun 2009 09:35:02 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote:
On Jun 28, 10:24 am, TinyTim wrote:
.... the high incidence of new model Mercruiser starters early
failure is endemic to the pervasive decline in business management
ethics and general skill. If these folks do not get on board with
Edwards Deming precepts...every body loses.....country .....customers
and labor.
My son in law had to remove his motor starter after 150 hours of
little use. I saw it. I could not believe the inferior construction
of the brush holders. Tin parts installed in a tin can design. I
heard rumors Mallory is running full tilt as people wise up to
Mercury's inferior OEM network and then switch to Mallory. I hope
that is fact. But the cost of labor to remove and replace an I/O
starter is huge as many of you know. .
Which year of starters are you refering to?
usually the early (Delco 8 & 10 MT) marine units were heavy but cheap
to fix. then later on the gear reductions came out. The first models
made in Korea were the same as on an 80's Chevy s-10 and weren't much
to brag about concerning power, and repairs were costly like the rest
of the unit. Now the new series is little gear reduction which is a
Mitsubishi knock-off which is made in India for pity sakes.
But the Delco PM/260 is the way to go. they work well on anything from
a 3.0 up to a GM 503 CID. Both automotive and marine.
But regardless, ALL starters are prone to humidity and a lot of people
will let the bilge fill up to where the starter motor is baptized even
for a moment, then the corrosion begins. But even if kept dry, just
the humidity in the bilge will keep the starter damp and the rust
starts happening.
BTW, you say people are switching to Mallory? Mallory what? Mallory
doesn't make a starter.
I hope he knows that you know a *lot* about starters and other
electric motors.
Maybe he'll consider this fair warning.
I'd hate for him to feel too badly.
--
John H
"Socialism in general has a record of failure so blatant
that only an intellectual could ignore or evade it."
-- Thomas Sowell
Well, after almost 30 years of working on them daily , I would hope to
think I've learned something.

But I'm always open for suggestions...

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I think Harry's father invented the electric starter.........

Harry's real father is Kettering?




If my father had invented the condom, and something like loogie
resulted, he would have started over.