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Death of a religious sect on the horizon?
"jps" wrote in message ... On Tue, 23 Jun 2009 20:04:44 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote: "jps" wrote in message . .. On Tue, 23 Jun 2009 18:36:18 -0500, Vic Smith wrote: On Tue, 23 Jun 2009 16:28:50 -0700, jps wrote: On Tue, 23 Jun 2009 16:00:02 -0700 (PDT), Tim wrote: Man cannot be trusted to interpret God. You included. Thank you. I don't demand your trust. Nor should you trust yourself in such matters. You're human. But he's sure not a dime store psychoanalyst. I'm pretty confident Tim has a real good handle on who he is, and who he should trust. --Vic Let's agree to not agree. I think you serve a very useful function here, jps. For those of us that may occasionally start to stray and question ourselves, you very clearly and concisely redefine the standards of normalcy and becoming a nut case. For that, I thank you. Eisboch I must have hurt your feelings. I'm sorry. Don't flatter yourself. Eisboch |
Death of a religious sect on the horizon?
On Tue, 23 Jun 2009 20:10:52 -0400, "Eisboch"
wrote: "jps" wrote in message .. . On Tue, 23 Jun 2009 20:04:44 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote: "jps" wrote in message ... On Tue, 23 Jun 2009 18:36:18 -0500, Vic Smith wrote: On Tue, 23 Jun 2009 16:28:50 -0700, jps wrote: On Tue, 23 Jun 2009 16:00:02 -0700 (PDT), Tim wrote: Man cannot be trusted to interpret God. You included. Thank you. I don't demand your trust. Nor should you trust yourself in such matters. You're human. But he's sure not a dime store psychoanalyst. I'm pretty confident Tim has a real good handle on who he is, and who he should trust. --Vic Let's agree to not agree. I think you serve a very useful function here, jps. For those of us that may occasionally start to stray and question ourselves, you very clearly and concisely redefine the standards of normalcy and becoming a nut case. For that, I thank you. Eisboch I must have hurt your feelings. I'm sorry. Don't flatter yourself. Eisboch Wouldn't think of it. |
Death of a religious sect on the horizon?
"jps" wrote in message ... I must have hurt your feelings. I'm sorry. Don't flatter yourself. Eisboch Wouldn't think of it. Oh, but I think you would. And do. Let me ask you a question. But first, let's establish the fact that I don't care what you personally believe in or don't believe in in terms of your personal views on religion. But, are you open minded and intelligent enough to understand the concept of religious faith? Can you, even though you may not subscribe to it, relate to it or accept that others have a belief in something, someone or whatever that is greater than themselves? If you can, then 90% of what you say is BS and maybe your not as nutty as I thought. Eisboch |
Death of a religious sect on the horizon?
On Tue, 23 Jun 2009 20:23:36 -0400, "Eisboch"
wrote: "jps" wrote in message .. . I must have hurt your feelings. I'm sorry. Don't flatter yourself. Eisboch Wouldn't think of it. Oh, but I think you would. And do. Let me ask you a question. But first, let's establish the fact that I don't care what you personally believe in or don't believe in in terms of your personal views on religion. But, are you open minded and intelligent enough to understand the concept of religious faith? Can you, even though you may not subscribe to it, relate to it or accept that others have a belief in something, someone or whatever that is greater than themselves? If you can, then 90% of what you say is BS and maybe your not as nutty as I thought. Eisboch Oh, I believe in things greater than myself. Difference is that what I believe in isn't man made. It doesn't come from a mystery man 2000 years or3500 years or 5700 years ago. Look at what the kooky Judeo/Christian bible wants us to believe. Adam and Eve? God making the heavens and earth and all the animals 10,000 years ago? Look at the ignorance it spawns in our society? Kids who won't accept evolution because the good book says otherwise? Peter at the pearly gates? Virgin birth? Abraham was stoned on berries when he saw that burning bush. All parables. In American we waste energy arguing about evolution being taught in school while the rest of the world kicks our asses by creating a high tech workforce. Any wonder that it drives me to distraction? I do believe in something greater than myself but it has to do with the order of the universe and nature. Not man-made moogly boogly based on the cosmic muffin or hairy thunderer. Nor do I believe it's within man's capacity to fully understand, at least not yet. The most likely path to understanding is through science and not the kind prescribed by L Ron Hubbard. String theory, quantum theory, elements yet to be defined in the periodic table, studying stars and planetary systems -- is a far more likely path to truly understanding our world, the universe and the true nature of God. I like to imagine humankind as connected like an Aspen Grove, through a root system. The closer you are spritually and emotionally to a person, the stronger the connection. I don't uinderstand how it works nor do I need to acribe it to a "designer." It's just how it is and maybe someday there'll be an explanation. Whatever the true nature ends up being, It's unlikely to confirm the suppositions of holy men who wrote parables thousands of years ago. |
Death of a religious sect on the horizon?
Gene Kearns wrote:
On Tue, 23 Jun 2009 15:16:43 -0700 (PDT), Tim penned the following well considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats: |On Jun 23, 9:10 am, Gene wrote: | On Tue, 23 Jun 2009 06:17:34 -0400, HK wrote: | Tim wrote: | On Jun 23, 1:53 am, jps wrote: | On Mon, 22 Jun 2009 23:00:13 -0700 (PDT), Tim | wrote: | | On Jun 23, 12:13 am, jps wrote: | On Mon, 22 Jun 2009 19:38:11 -0700 (PDT), Tim | wrote: | On Jun 22, 6:23 pm, HK wrote: | Tim wrote: | On Jun 22, 6:06 pm, HK wrote: | Tim wrote: | On Jun 22, 6:02 pm, HK wrote: | Tim wrote: | On Jun 22, 8:56 am, HK wrote: | wf3h wrote: | On Jun 22, 6:20 am, Jim24242 wrote: | That's good news for Harry Krause, isn't it. The fear and intimidation | you suffer at the prospect of being asked to consider a moral, ethical, | and religious life must have you shakin in your boots | except, of course, the s. baptists have never come close to living a | moral ethical and religious life. the church was founded as a | proslavery church in 1845 and has opposed freedom for anyone ever | since...in the name of god. it's also america's leading pro- | creationism church | IOW it's wrong about everything. | An absolutely backwards "bunch" of religious zealots, doing "the devil's | work" wherever it can. That floridajim believes they're moral and | ethical says even more about him than it does about the white southern | baptists. | What about the Black Southern Baptists, Harry? There's lots of them. | Different organization. | nope. | Yup. | Nope. | and what do you think is the objective of a Southern Baptist | "Missionary" Hospital? | Proselytizing. | "Proselytizing.?" | Surely you can do better than that, Harry. | I'd say it never occurred to you that the Christian (Catholic and | Protestant) Churches main mission is to do the will of Jesus. | James 2:14 Dear brothers, what's the use of saying that you have | faith and are Christians if you aren't proving it by helping others? | Will that kind of faith save anyone? | James 2:15 If you have a friend who is in need of food and | clothing, and you say to him, "Well, good-bye and God bless you; | stay warm and eat hearty," and then don't give him clothes or food, | what good does that do? | James 2:17 So you see, it isn't enough just to have faith. You must | also do good to prove that you have it. Faith that doesn't show itself | by good works is no faith at all--it is dead and useless. | James 2:20 Fool! When will you ever learn that "believing" is useless | without doing what God wants you to? Faith that does not result in | good deeds is not real faith. | Just a few of the references Harry. But I don't expect you to believe | any of it. It's not your nature. | WTF do any of the above quotes have to do with missionary work or | proselytizing on behalf of Christianity? | It's an endeavor that seeks to enrich the organization more than | spreading Jesus' teachings. You're supposed to live and be guided by | his spirit, not try to sell his way. | Anyone who has a beef with unions trying to enrich their organizations | should have a major problem with missionaries. | Bunch of whoey. | My favorite is the missionaries who hunted aboriginals with the aim of | converting them just before putting them to death in order to send | them onto Jesus. | ****ing insanity that continues today in a somewhat benign manner. | Of course you would think so. | I have good reason. | | More have died in the name of Jesus than any other "cause." | | Hmmm yeah. If that's what you wish to believe, then I suppose you | need to stay locked in your house and not ever venture outside, and | keep a 9mm close by. you never know when some christian will come | knocking at your door. | | That's not the point, tim. The fact remains that in many underdeveloped | countries, especially in central and south america, evangelical | christians use the "help" they offer impoverished native peoples as a | hook to "convert" them to the protestant form of christianity de jour. | I have a couple of relatives by marriage who support these efforts with | contributions and trips to these countries to "help," and I have | listened to their tales and seen their newsletters. Well, I used | to...they stopped telling me about these conversion efforts after I told | them many times I thought the practice was disgusting on many levels. | It's weird, too, because several times it was obvious that Roman | Catholics were being converted to protestantism...apparently the simpie | evangelicals, many of them, try to promote the idea that the Catholics | are *not* christians. | | To me, evangelical christians seem very insecure in their relgious | beliefs. Those who remain unconverted seem a threat to the born-agains. | Reminds me of the Borg Collective from the old Star Trek shows. | "Assimilate...resistance is futile..." | | Well, screw that. | | I have a generous helping of these screwball relatives, too... | including clergy. I, too, hear all of the stories about people of | "other" religions finally seeing the light and coming over to "their" | side (especially Catholics and Jews). (A messianic Jew?? WTF??) | | Southern Baptists believe that it is their duty to convert everybody | to their way of thinking....it is stated in their writings. If you | aren't a Southern Baptist, you are not, in their eyes, a "real" | Christian and must be saved. | | As for Harry's ridiculous assertion concerning the number of folks | killed by Christians..... here's a short list: | | "Listed are only events that solely occurred on command or | participation of church authorities or were committed in the name of | Christianity. (List incomplete) | | Ancient Pagans | | As soon as Christianity became legal in the Roman Empire by imperial | edict (315), more and more pagan temples were destroyed by Christian | mob. Pagan priests were killed. | | Between 315 and 6th century thousands of pagan believers were slain. | | Examples of destroyed Temples: the Sanctuary of Aesculap in Aegaea, | the Temple of Aphrodite in Golgatha, Aphaka in Lebanon, the | Heliopolis. | | Christian priests such as Mark of Arethusa or Cyrill of Heliopolis | were famous as "temple destroyer." [DA468] | | Pagan services became punishable by death in 356. [DA468] | | Christian Emperor Theodosius (408-450) even had children executed, | because they had been playing with remains of pagan statues. [DA469] | According to Christian chroniclers he "followed meticulously all | Christian teachings..." | | In 6th century pagans were declared void of all rights. | | In the early fourth century the philosopher Sopatros was executed on | demand of Christian authorities. [DA466] | | The world famous female philosopher Hypatia of Alexandria was torn to | pieces with glass fragments by a hysterical Christian mob led by a | Christian minister named Peter, in a church, in 415. | [DO19-25] | | Mission | | Emperor Karl (Charlemagne) in 782 had 4500 Saxons, unwilling to | convert to Christianity, beheaded. [DO30] | | Peasants of Steding (Germany) unwilling to pay suffocating church | taxes: between 5,000 and 11,000 men, women and children slain | 5/27/1234 near Altenesch/Germany. [WW223] | | 15th century Poland: 1019 churches and 17987 villages plundered by | Knights of the Order. Number of victims unknown. [DO30] | | 16th and 17th century Ireland. English troops "pacified and civilized" | Ireland, where only Gaelic "wild Irish", "unreasonable beasts lived | without any knowledge of God or good manners, in common of their | goods, cattle, women, children and every other thing." One of the more | successful soldiers, a certain Humphrey Gilbert, half-brother of Sir | Walter Raleigh, ordered that "the heddes of all those (of what sort | soever thei were) which were killed in the daie, should be cutte off | from their bodies... and should bee laied on the ground by eche side | of the waie", which effort to civilize the Irish indeed caused "greate | terrour to the people when thei sawe the heddes of their dedde | fathers, brothers, children, kinsfolke, and freinds on the grounde". | Tens of thousands of Gaelic Irish fell victim to the carnage. [SH99, | 225] | | Crusades (1095-1291) | | First Crusade: 1095 on command of pope Urban II. [WW11-41] | | Semlin/Hungary 6/24/96 thousands slain. Wieselburg/Hungary 6/12/96 | thousands. [WW23] | | 9/9/96-9/26/96 Nikaia, Xerigordon (then Turkish), thousands | respectively. [WW25-27] | | Until January 1098 a total of 40 capital cities and 200 castles | conquered (number of slain unknown) [WW30] | | After 6/3/98 Antiochia (then Turkish) conquered, between 10,000 and | 60,000 slain. 6/28/98 100,000 Turks (incl. women and children) killed. | [WW32-35] | Here the Christians "did no other harm to the women found in [the | enemy's] tents - save that they ran their lances through their | bellies," according to Christian chronicler Fulcher of Chartres. | [EC60] | | Marra (Maraat an-numan) 12/11/98 thousands killed. Because of the | subsequent famine "the already stinking corpses of the enemies were | eaten by the Christians" said chronicler Albert Aquensis. [WW36] | | Jerusalem conquered 7/15/1099 more than 60,000 victims (Jewish, | Muslim, men, women, children). [WW37-40] | In the words of one witness: "there [in front of Solomon's temple] was | such a carnage that our people were wading ankle-deep in the blood of | our foes", and after that "happily and crying for joy our people | marched to our Saviour's tomb, to honour it and to pay off our debt of | gratitude." | | The Archbishop of Tyre, eye-witness, wrote: "It was impossible to look ... | | read more » | |I understand what you're saying Gene. But were these madmen truely |Christian? I dare say not. they wore the name, but their actions |proved differently. From a Biblical standpoint.... they were clearly doing "their duty." If you think that statement is even in the least sculpturally incorrect, you *really* need to pull that Bible out and start reading for content. | |"Southern Baptists believe that it is their duty to convert everybody |to their way of thinking....it is stated in their writings. ..." | |Isn't that the rule with most (and I mean MOST--not all) religions? I think it is true of the ones we should fear. The ones that demand either conformity or to face a God imposed or sanctioned penalty. Now, according to the courts, you can't even suggest that Christianity is so much hokum, without being sued.... http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,518864,00.html Ahh...the ayatollahs are active. Creationism = Cretinism |
Death of a religious sect on the horizon?
On Jun 23, 6:02*pm, jps wrote:
On Tue, 23 Jun 2009 15:16:43 -0700 (PDT), Tim wrote: I understand what you're saying Gene. But were these madmen truely Christian? I dare say not. *they wore the name, but their actions proved differently. The only man on earth who was truly "Christian" wasn't. *He was a Jew. He wanted to modernize the Temple and Judaism. *He didn't intend nor did he preach for a new Temple or religion. *It was a bunch of men who made this legacy. Humans have a need to believe their lives have meaning, hence the willingness to believe in the spiritual - beyond the grasp of mortals. Bunch of hooey. You've got one chance and there's nobody at the end who's going to judge you other than those still alive. Lean into it. Lean into what? |
Death of a religious sect on the horizon?
On Jun 23, 6:04*pm, jps wrote:
On Tue, 23 Jun 2009 15:19:41 -0700 (PDT), Tim wrote: On Jun 23, 2:22*pm, jps wrote: On Tue, 23 Jun 2009 05:37:02 -0700 (PDT), Tim wrote: On Jun 23, 6:53*am, wf3h wrote: On Jun 22, 10:47*am, "JustWaitAFrekinMinute!" wrote: On Jun 22, 8:06*am, Tim wrote: On Jun 22, 6:50*am, wf3h wrote: IOW it's wrong about everything. I very much disagree with you , but I won't argue about it. I wonder why seemingly good people, and of course assholes like Harry feel the need to push their anti-Christian bigotry on everyone whenever they find a remote opening, or even make one up? Why must they shove their "religion" down our throats all the time... * * Oh, but we can't talk about ours, that would hurt their feelings and they would want to take us to court snerk In other words, why are they so hypocritical? the s. baptists are anything but christian. If you wish to believe so. Oh so circumspect. *It doesn't pass the smell test. To you? probably not. But then again, that is expected. Is that what the good book says you should think? You tell me? |
Death of a religious sect on the horizon?
On Jun 23, 6:27*pm, jps wrote:
On Tue, 23 Jun 2009 15:58:56 -0700 (PDT), Tim wrote: On Jun 23, 5:50*pm, jps wrote: On Tue, 23 Jun 2009 15:21:51 -0700 (PDT), Tim wrote: On Jun 23, 3:39*pm, jps wrote: You are a naive fellow if you think there isn't a debt incurred. I know my family and I know how their mission works. Tell you what. Why don't you go to Panama and stay for a month and see for yourself. I have. Yes, I'm sure it does. *Their mission works by creating a moral dilemma for whomever is receiving the free medical attention. This is the same way bin Laden works. *He builds schools, provides medical care *and feeds people and in return they pledge allegiance to his cause. It's a very simple exchange that works very well. bin Laden is a missionary. You're welcome to feel that way if you wish. His followers do. *I know the score, do you? Which score? |
Death of a religious sect on the horizon?
On Jun 23, 8:22*pm, Gene Kearns
wrote: On Tue, 23 Jun 2009 15:16:43 -0700 (PDT), Tim penned the following well considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats: |On Jun 23, 9:10*am, Gene wrote: | On Tue, 23 Jun 2009 06:17:34 -0400, HK wrote:| Tim wrote: | On Jun 23, 1:53 am, jps wrote: | On Mon, 22 Jun 2009 23:00:13 -0700 (PDT), Tim | wrote: | | On Jun 23, 12:13 am, jps wrote: | On Mon, 22 Jun 2009 19:38:11 -0700 (PDT), Tim | wrote: | On Jun 22, 6:23 pm, HK wrote:| Tim wrote: | On Jun 22, 6:06 pm, HK wrote:| Tim wrote: | On Jun 22, 6:02 pm, HK wrote:| Tim wrote: | On Jun 22, 8:56 am, HK wrote:| wf3h wrote: | On Jun 22, 6:20 am, Jim24242 wrote: | That's good news for Harry Krause, isn't it. The fear and intimidation | you suffer at the prospect of being asked to consider a moral, ethical, | and religious life must have you shakin in your boots | except, of course, the s. baptists have never come close to living a | moral ethical and religious life. the church was founded as a | proslavery church in 1845 and has opposed freedom for anyone ever | since...in the name of god. it's also america's leading pro- | creationism church | IOW it's wrong about everything. | An absolutely backwards "bunch" of religious zealots, doing "the devil's | work" wherever it can. That floridajim believes they're moral and | ethical says even more about him than it does about the white southern | baptists. | What about the Black Southern Baptists, Harry? *There's lots of them. | Different organization. | nope. | Yup. | Nope. | and what do you think is the objective of a Southern Baptist | "Missionary" Hospital? | Proselytizing. | "Proselytizing.?" | Surely you can do better than that, Harry. | I'd say it never occurred to you that the Christian (Catholic and | Protestant) *Churches main mission is to do the will of Jesus.. | *James 2:14 * Dear brothers, what's the use of saying that you have | faith and are Christians if you aren't proving it by helping others? | Will that kind of faith save anyone? | James 2:15 *If you have a friend who is in need of food and | clothing, * and you say to him, "Well, good-bye and God bless you; | stay warm and eat hearty," and then don't give him clothes or food, | what good does that do? | James 2:17 So you see, it isn't enough just to have faith. You must | also do good to prove that you have it. Faith that doesn't show itself | by good works is no faith at all--it is dead and useless. | James 2:20 Fool! When will you ever learn that "believing" is useless | without doing what God wants you to? Faith that does not result in | good deeds is not real faith. | Just a few of the references Harry. But I don't expect you to believe | any of it. It's not your nature. | WTF do any of the above quotes have to do with missionary work or | proselytizing on behalf of Christianity? | It's an endeavor that seeks to enrich the organization more than | spreading Jesus' teachings. *You're supposed to live and be guided by | his spirit, not try to sell his way. | Anyone who has a beef with unions trying to enrich their organizations | should have a major problem with missionaries. | Bunch of whoey. | My favorite is the missionaries who hunted aboriginals with the aim of | converting them just before putting them to death in order to send | them onto Jesus. | ****ing insanity that continues today in a somewhat benign manner. |
Death of a religious sect on the horizon?
On Tue, 23 Jun 2009 21:08:33 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote: read more » Sorry Gene, but you had too much text for me to dig though. and I really didn't feel like loading another page. But thanks for thinking of me. More likely he was thinking of the royal you. |
Death of a religious sect on the horizon?
On Tue, 23 Jun 2009 19:14:12 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote: On Jun 23, 6:27*pm, jps wrote: On Tue, 23 Jun 2009 15:58:56 -0700 (PDT), Tim wrote: On Jun 23, 5:50*pm, jps wrote: On Tue, 23 Jun 2009 15:21:51 -0700 (PDT), Tim wrote: On Jun 23, 3:39*pm, jps wrote: You are a naive fellow if you think there isn't a debt incurred. I know my family and I know how their mission works. Tell you what. Why don't you go to Panama and stay for a month and see for yourself. I have. Yes, I'm sure it does. *Their mission works by creating a moral dilemma for whomever is receiving the free medical attention. This is the same way bin Laden works. *He builds schools, provides medical care *and feeds people and in return they pledge allegiance to his cause. It's a very simple exchange that works very well. bin Laden is a missionary. You're welcome to feel that way if you wish. His followers do. *I know the score, do you? Which score? The one between those who have nothing and those who offer them something. It's done to create an account which may be paid with subservience to a cause. That's the score. |
Death of a religious sect on the horizon?
On Jun 24, 12:13*am, jps wrote:
On Tue, 23 Jun 2009 21:08:33 -0700 (PDT), Tim wrote: read more » Sorry Gene, but you had too much text for me to dig though. and I really didn't feel like loading another page. But thanks for thinking of me. More likely he was thinking of the royal you. Could be. |
Death of a religious sect on the horizon?
On Jun 24, 12:40*am, jps wrote:
On Tue, 23 Jun 2009 19:14:12 -0700 (PDT), Tim wrote: On Jun 23, 6:27*pm, jps wrote: On Tue, 23 Jun 2009 15:58:56 -0700 (PDT), Tim wrote: On Jun 23, 5:50*pm, jps wrote: On Tue, 23 Jun 2009 15:21:51 -0700 (PDT), Tim wrote: On Jun 23, 3:39*pm, jps wrote: You are a naive fellow if you think there isn't a debt incurred. I know my family and I know how their mission works. Tell you what.. Why don't you go to Panama and stay for a month and see for yourself. I have. Yes, I'm sure it does. *Their mission works by creating a moral dilemma for whomever is receiving the free medical attention. This is the same way bin Laden works. *He builds schools, provides medical care *and feeds people and in return they pledge allegiance to his cause. It's a very simple exchange that works very well. bin Laden is a missionary. You're welcome to feel that way if you wish. His followers do. *I know the score, do you? Which score? The one between those who have nothing and those who offer them something. *It's done to create an account which may be paid with subservience to a cause. That's the score. a statement is a score? |
Death of a religious sect on the horizon?
Tim wrote:
On Jun 24, 12:40 am, jps wrote: On Tue, 23 Jun 2009 19:14:12 -0700 (PDT), Tim wrote: On Jun 23, 6:27 pm, jps wrote: On Tue, 23 Jun 2009 15:58:56 -0700 (PDT), Tim wrote: On Jun 23, 5:50 pm, jps wrote: On Tue, 23 Jun 2009 15:21:51 -0700 (PDT), Tim wrote: On Jun 23, 3:39 pm, jps wrote: You are a naive fellow if you think there isn't a debt incurred. I know my family and I know how their mission works. Tell you what. Why don't you go to Panama and stay for a month and see for yourself. I have. Yes, I'm sure it does. Their mission works by creating a moral dilemma for whomever is receiving the free medical attention. This is the same way bin Laden works. He builds schools, provides medical care and feeds people and in return they pledge allegiance to his cause. It's a very simple exchange that works very well. bin Laden is a missionary. You're welcome to feel that way if you wish. His followers do. I know the score, do you? Which score? The one between those who have nothing and those who offer them something. It's done to create an account which may be paid with subservience to a cause. That's the score. a statement is a score? It certainly can be. Ezra 8:26 "I even weighed unto their hand six hundred and fifty talents of silver, and silver vessels an hundred talents, and of gold an hundred talents." |
Death of a religious sect on the horizon?
On Jun 24, 5:49*am, HK wrote:
Tim wrote: On Jun 24, 12:40 am, jps wrote: On Tue, 23 Jun 2009 19:14:12 -0700 (PDT), Tim wrote: On Jun 23, 6:27 pm, jps wrote: On Tue, 23 Jun 2009 15:58:56 -0700 (PDT), Tim wrote: On Jun 23, 5:50 pm, jps wrote: On Tue, 23 Jun 2009 15:21:51 -0700 (PDT), Tim wrote: On Jun 23, 3:39 pm, jps wrote: You are a naive fellow if you think there isn't a debt incurred. I know my family and I know how their mission works. Tell you what. |
Death of a religious sect on the horizon?
Tim wrote:
On Jun 24, 5:49 am, HK wrote: Tim wrote: On Jun 24, 12:40 am, jps wrote: On Tue, 23 Jun 2009 19:14:12 -0700 (PDT), Tim wrote: On Jun 23, 6:27 pm, jps wrote: On Tue, 23 Jun 2009 15:58:56 -0700 (PDT), Tim wrote: On Jun 23, 5:50 pm, jps wrote: On Tue, 23 Jun 2009 15:21:51 -0700 (PDT), Tim wrote: On Jun 23, 3:39 pm, jps wrote: You are a naive fellow if you think there isn't a debt incurred. I know my family and I know how their mission works. Tell you what. Why don't you go to Panama and stay for a month and see for yourself. I have. Yes, I'm sure it does. Their mission works by creating a moral dilemma for whomever is receiving the free medical attention. This is the same way bin Laden works. He builds schools, provides medical care and feeds people and in return they pledge allegiance to his cause. It's a very simple exchange that works very well. bin Laden is a missionary. You're welcome to feel that way if you wish. His followers do. I know the score, do you? Which score? The one between those who have nothing and those who offer them something. It's done to create an account which may be paid with subservience to a cause. That's the score. a statement is a score? It certainly can be. Ezra 8:26 "I even weighed unto their hand six hundred and fifty talents of silver, and silver vessels an hundred talents, and of gold an hundred talents." I don't;' think that my family and the native mountain people of Panama have weighed each other. Whatever. A "talent" as a unit of precious metal measure was pretty hefty, by the way. |
Death of a religious sect on the horizon?
On Jun 22, 9:54*am, HK wrote:
What fundamentalist religions do, religions like the white southern baptists, is try to push their alleged principles, precepts, beliefs, and bull**** onto others, and onto society generally. Harry. religions help to form societies. some for the good and some for the not so good. Atheistic thinking does too. Just ask Karl Marx. |
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Tim wrote:
On Jun 22, 9:54 am, HK wrote: What fundamentalist religions do, religions like the white southern baptists, is try to push their alleged principles, precepts, beliefs, and bull**** onto others, and onto society generally. Harry. religions help to form societies. some for the good and some for the not so good. Atheistic thinking does too. Just ask Karl Marx. There's quite a difference between a religion "suggesting" how a society should run, and a religion "forcing" its beliefs on a society in a country with no state or official religion. I expect religious oppression in Iran, but I don't want that kind of crap pushed on us here. |
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On Jun 23, 5:17*am, HK wrote:
To me, evangelical christians seem very insecure in their relgious beliefs. Those who remain unconverted seem a threat to the born-agains. Reminds me of the Borg Collective from the old Star Trek shows. "Assimilate...resistance is futile..." Well, screw that. Odd that you would say that Harry. but to you yes, I'm sure it's more comfortable for you to contain those feelings. But I consider myself to be an "evangelical" christian and I don't feel any insecurities concerning my religious beliefs, not do I feel threatened by anyone for any reason. Maybe I'm an exception to the rule? |
Death of a religious sect on the horizon?
On Jun 23, 5:47*am, HK wrote:
Tim wrote: On Jun 23, 5:17 am, HK wrote: That's not the point, tim. The fact remains that in many underdeveloped countries, especially in central and south america, evangelical christians use the "help" they offer impoverished native peoples as a hook to "convert" them to the protestant form of christianity de jour. I have a couple of relatives by marriage who support these efforts with contributions and trips to these countries to "help," and I have listened to their tales and seen their newsletters. Well, I used to...they stopped telling me about these conversion efforts after I told them many times I thought the practice was disgusting on many levels. It's weird, too, because several times it was obvious that Roman Catholics were being converted to protestantism...apparently the simpie evangelicals, many of them, try to promote the idea that the Catholics are *not* christians. To me, evangelical christians seem very insecure in their relgious beliefs. Those who remain unconverted seem a threat to the born-agains.. Reminds me of the Borg Collective from the old Star Trek shows. "Assimilate...resistance is futile..." Well, screw that. harry, I have a brother and sister-in-law *who have done the same in Panama for years. sister-in-law is a dentist/LPN who has worked very extensively with Guaymi indians for years. My brother builds clinics and church's (Oops". I meant to say "COMPOUNDS!") their kids come up here and finish high school then go back. My family members have no insecurity in their faith. Of course *they're not really living in a hostile part of the world. Harry, for those who feel threatened by Christianity. I feel sorry for. If people like like my family members don't do anything to help who they do. Then who will? the government? Gee, tim...i dunno. My dentist is gone in july and august (his partners handle emergencies) every year. He goes to underserved asian countries (he's korean) to fix the teeth of kids who have no way to pay for such services. He sure as hell isn't serving up religion with his dentistry. hey, I'm glad your dentist does some humanity work. And he's gone for a month? Hmmm... my family has been gone for 20 years. |
Death of a religious sect on the horizon?
Tim wrote:
On Jun 23, 5:17 am, HK wrote: To me, evangelical christians seem very insecure in their relgious beliefs. Those who remain unconverted seem a threat to the born-agains. Reminds me of the Borg Collective from the old Star Trek shows. "Assimilate...resistance is futile..." Well, screw that. Odd that you would say that Harry. but to you yes, I'm sure it's more comfortable for you to contain those feelings. But I consider myself to be an "evangelical" christian and I don't feel any insecurities concerning my religious beliefs, not do I feel threatened by anyone for any reason. Maybe I'm an exception to the rule? Maybe you aren't looking deep enough. Why do "evangelicals" find it necessary to *push* their beliefs onto others? |
Death of a religious sect on the horizon?
On Jun 24, 7:00*am, HK wrote:
Tim wrote: On Jun 22, 9:54 am, HK wrote: What fundamentalist religions do, religions like the white southern baptists, is try to push their alleged principles, precepts, beliefs, and bull**** onto others, and onto society generally. Harry. religions help to form societies. some for the good and some for the not so good. Atheistic thinking does too. Just ask Karl Marx. There's quite a difference between a religion "suggesting" how a society should run, and a religion "forcing" its beliefs on a society in a country with no state or official religion. I expect religious oppression in Iran, but I don't want that kind of crap pushed on us here. Don't worry Harry, It won't happen. |
Death of a religious sect on the horizon?
On Jun 24, 6:51*am, HK wrote:
Tim wrote: On Jun 24, 5:49 am, HK wrote: Tim wrote: On Jun 24, 12:40 am, jps wrote: On Tue, 23 Jun 2009 19:14:12 -0700 (PDT), Tim wrote: On Jun 23, 6:27 pm, jps wrote: On Tue, 23 Jun 2009 15:58:56 -0700 (PDT), Tim wrote: On Jun 23, 5:50 pm, jps wrote: On Tue, 23 Jun 2009 15:21:51 -0700 (PDT), Tim wrote: On Jun 23, 3:39 pm, jps wrote: You are a naive fellow if you think there isn't a debt incurred. I know my family and I know how their mission works. Tell you what. Why don't you go to Panama and stay for a month and see for yourself. I have. Yes, I'm sure it does. *Their mission works by creating a moral dilemma for whomever is receiving the free medical attention. This is the same way bin Laden works. *He builds schools, provides medical care *and feeds people and in return they pledge allegiance to his cause. It's a very simple exchange that works very well. bin Laden is a missionary. You're welcome to feel that way if you wish. His followers do. *I know the score, do you? Which score? The one between those who have nothing and those who offer them something. *It's done to create an account which may be paid with subservience to a cause. That's the score. a statement is a score? It certainly can be. Ezra 8:26 "I even weighed unto their hand six hundred and fifty talents of silver, and silver vessels an hundred talents, and of gold an hundred talents." I don't;' think that my family and the native mountain people of Panama have weighed each other. Whatever. A "talent" as a unit of precious metal measure was pretty hefty, by the way. I understand that, Harry. I still don't think they've weighed each other, though. |
Death of a religious sect on the horizon?
Tim wrote:
On Jun 24, 7:00 am, HK wrote: Tim wrote: On Jun 22, 9:54 am, HK wrote: What fundamentalist religions do, religions like the white southern baptists, is try to push their alleged principles, precepts, beliefs, and bull**** onto others, and onto society generally. Harry. religions help to form societies. some for the good and some for the not so good. Atheistic thinking does too. Just ask Karl Marx. There's quite a difference between a religion "suggesting" how a society should run, and a religion "forcing" its beliefs on a society in a country with no state or official religion. I expect religious oppression in Iran, but I don't want that kind of crap pushed on us here. Don't worry Harry, It won't happen. Really? It *does* happen here. Remember Idiot President's restrictions on federal funding of stem cell research? Religious oppression. |
Death of a religious sect on the horizon?
Tim wrote:
On Jun 23, 5:47 am, HK wrote: Tim wrote: On Jun 23, 5:17 am, HK wrote: That's not the point, tim. The fact remains that in many underdeveloped countries, especially in central and south america, evangelical christians use the "help" they offer impoverished native peoples as a hook to "convert" them to the protestant form of christianity de jour. I have a couple of relatives by marriage who support these efforts with contributions and trips to these countries to "help," and I have listened to their tales and seen their newsletters. Well, I used to...they stopped telling me about these conversion efforts after I told them many times I thought the practice was disgusting on many levels. It's weird, too, because several times it was obvious that Roman Catholics were being converted to protestantism...apparently the simpie evangelicals, many of them, try to promote the idea that the Catholics are *not* christians. To me, evangelical christians seem very insecure in their relgious beliefs. Those who remain unconverted seem a threat to the born-agains. Reminds me of the Borg Collective from the old Star Trek shows. "Assimilate...resistance is futile..." Well, screw that. harry, I have a brother and sister-in-law who have done the same in Panama for years. sister-in-law is a dentist/LPN who has worked very extensively with Guaymi indians for years. My brother builds clinics and church's (Oops". I meant to say "COMPOUNDS!") their kids come up here and finish high school then go back. My family members have no insecurity in their faith. Of course they're not really living in a hostile part of the world. Harry, for those who feel threatened by Christianity. I feel sorry for. If people like like my family members don't do anything to help who they do. Then who will? the government? Gee, tim...i dunno. My dentist is gone in july and august (his partners handle emergencies) every year. He goes to underserved asian countries (he's korean) to fix the teeth of kids who have no way to pay for such services. He sure as hell isn't serving up religion with his dentistry. hey, I'm glad your dentist does some humanity work. And he's gone for a month? Hmmm... my family has been gone for 20 years. About two months every year. Free. That means no charge to the patients, and no guilt trips in religion and no "thank jesus" nonsense. |
Death of a religious sect on the horizon?
On Wed, 24 Jun 2009 05:06:46 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote: On Jun 24, 7:00*am, HK wrote: Tim wrote: On Jun 22, 9:54 am, HK wrote: What fundamentalist religions do, religions like the white southern baptists, is try to push their alleged principles, precepts, beliefs, and bull**** onto others, and onto society generally. Harry. religions help to form societies. some for the good and some for the not so good. Atheistic thinking does too. Just ask Karl Marx. There's quite a difference between a religion "suggesting" how a society should run, and a religion "forcing" its beliefs on a society in a country with no state or official religion. I expect religious oppression in Iran, but I don't want that kind of crap pushed on us here. Don't worry Harry, It won't happen. Tim, this would be appropriate behavior in Harry's eyes. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=36T1fnIafC0 -- John H |
Death of a religious sect on the horizon?
On Jun 24, 7:10*am, HK wrote:
Tim wrote: On Jun 23, 5:47 am, HK wrote: Tim wrote: On Jun 23, 5:17 am, HK wrote: That's not the point, tim. The fact remains that in many underdeveloped countries, especially in central and south america, evangelical christians use the "help" they offer impoverished native peoples as a hook to "convert" them to the protestant form of christianity de jour. |
Death of a religious sect on the horizon?
On Jun 24, 7:08*am, HK wrote:
Tim wrote: On Jun 24, 7:00 am, HK wrote: Tim wrote: On Jun 22, 9:54 am, HK wrote: What fundamentalist religions do, religions like the white southern baptists, is try to push their alleged principles, precepts, beliefs, and bull**** onto others, and onto society generally. Harry. religions help to form societies. some for the good and some for the not so good. Atheistic thinking does too. Just ask Karl Marx. There's quite a difference between a religion "suggesting" how a society should run, and a religion "forcing" its beliefs on a society in a country with no state or official religion. I expect religious oppression in Iran, but I don't want that kind of crap pushed on us here. Don't worry Harry, It won't happen. Really? It *does* happen here. Remember Idiot President's restrictions on federal funding of stem cell research? Religious oppression. Nope. But now that you mentioned it, where were those stem cells supposedly coming from? |
Death of a religious sect on the horizon?
Tim wrote:
On Jun 24, 7:08 am, HK wrote: Tim wrote: On Jun 24, 7:00 am, HK wrote: Tim wrote: On Jun 22, 9:54 am, HK wrote: What fundamentalist religions do, religions like the white southern baptists, is try to push their alleged principles, precepts, beliefs, and bull**** onto others, and onto society generally. Harry. religions help to form societies. some for the good and some for the not so good. Atheistic thinking does too. Just ask Karl Marx. There's quite a difference between a religion "suggesting" how a society should run, and a religion "forcing" its beliefs on a society in a country with no state or official religion. I expect religious oppression in Iran, but I don't want that kind of crap pushed on us here. Don't worry Harry, It won't happen. Really? It *does* happen here. Remember Idiot President's restrictions on federal funding of stem cell research? Religious oppression. Nope. But now that you mentioned it, where were those stem cells supposedly coming from? I dunno, and I don't care. Not relevant. |
Death of a religious sect on the horizon?
Tim wrote:
On Jun 24, 7:10 am, HK wrote: Tim wrote: On Jun 23, 5:47 am, HK wrote: Tim wrote: On Jun 23, 5:17 am, HK wrote: That's not the point, tim. The fact remains that in many underdeveloped countries, especially in central and south america, evangelical christians use the "help" they offer impoverished native peoples as a hook to "convert" them to the protestant form of christianity de jour. I have a couple of relatives by marriage who support these efforts with contributions and trips to these countries to "help," and I have listened to their tales and seen their newsletters. Well, I used to...they stopped telling me about these conversion efforts after I told them many times I thought the practice was disgusting on many levels. It's weird, too, because several times it was obvious that Roman Catholics were being converted to protestantism...apparently the simpie evangelicals, many of them, try to promote the idea that the Catholics are *not* christians. To me, evangelical christians seem very insecure in their relgious beliefs. Those who remain unconverted seem a threat to the born-agains. Reminds me of the Borg Collective from the old Star Trek shows. "Assimilate...resistance is futile..." Well, screw that. harry, I have a brother and sister-in-law who have done the same in Panama for years. sister-in-law is a dentist/LPN who has worked very extensively with Guaymi indians for years. My brother builds clinics and church's (Oops". I meant to say "COMPOUNDS!") their kids come up here and finish high school then go back. My family members have no insecurity in their faith. Of course they're not really living in a hostile part of the world. Harry, for those who feel threatened by Christianity. I feel sorry for. If people like like my family members don't do anything to help who they do. Then who will? the government? Gee, tim...i dunno. My dentist is gone in july and august (his partners handle emergencies) every year. He goes to underserved asian countries (he's korean) to fix the teeth of kids who have no way to pay for such services. He sure as hell isn't serving up religion with his dentistry. hey, I'm glad your dentist does some humanity work. And he's gone for a month? Hmmm... my family has been gone for 20 years. About two months every year. Free. That means no charge to the patients, and no guilt trips in religion and no "thank jesus" nonsense. 20 years free. also no charge to patients and no guilt trips. One thing I don't really think you understand Harry is that one basis of Christianity is that you help others regardless of any "conversion" experience. Nobody is forced to do anything. and there's more humanitarian philosophy happening than you may realize or wish to acknowledge. I just don't understand who s person or an organization can do work for humanity and people think there's always a bargaining process going on. Tim, I simply do not agree with this statement of yours: "Nobody is forced to do anything." But I do not for a moment doubt your sincerity or the sincerity of your beliefs. |
Death of a religious sect on the horizon?
On Wed, 24 Jun 2009 13:33:47 -0400, Jimo wrote:
JustWaitAFrekinMinute! wrote: On Jun 24, 12:44 pm, jps wrote: On Wed, 24 Jun 2009 11:58:51 -0400, Jim242424 wrote: Tim wrote: On Jun 24, 7:10 am, HK wrote: Tim wrote: On Jun 23, 5:47 am, HK wrote: Tim wrote: On Jun 23, 5:17 am, HK wrote: That's not the point, tim. The fact remains that in many underdeveloped countries, especially in central and south america, evangelical christians use the "help" they offer impoverished native peoples as a hook to "convert" them to the protestant form of christianity de jour. I have a couple of relatives by marriage who support these efforts with contributions and trips to these countries to "help," and I have listened to their tales and seen their newsletters. Well, I used to...they stopped telling me about these conversion efforts after I told them many times I thought the practice was disgusting on many levels. It's weird, too, because several times it was obvious that Roman Catholics were being converted to protestantism...apparently the simpie evangelicals, many of them, try to promote the idea that the Catholics are *not* christians. To me, evangelical christians seem very insecure in their relgious beliefs. Those who remain unconverted seem a threat to the born-agains. Reminds me of the Borg Collective from the old Star Trek shows. "Assimilate...resistance is futile..." Well, screw that. harry, I have a brother and sister-in-law who have done the same in Panama for years. sister-in-law is a dentist/LPN who has worked very extensively with Guaymi indians for years. My brother builds clinics and church's (Oops". I meant to say "COMPOUNDS!") their kids come up here and finish high school then go back. My family members have no insecurity in their faith. Of course they're not really living in a hostile part of the world. Harry, for those who feel threatened by Christianity. I feel sorry for. If people like like my family members don't do anything to help who they do. Then who will? the government? Gee, tim...i dunno. My dentist is gone in july and august (his partners handle emergencies) every year. He goes to underserved asian countries (he's korean) to fix the teeth of kids who have no way to pay for such services. He sure as hell isn't serving up religion with his dentistry. hey, I'm glad your dentist does some humanity work. And he's gone for a month? Hmmm... my family has been gone for 20 years. About two months every year. Free. That means no charge to the patients, and no guilt trips in religion and no "thank jesus" nonsense. 20 years free. also no charge to patients and no guilt trips. One thing I don't really think you understand Harry is that one basis of Christianity is that you help others regardless of any "conversion" experience. Nobody is forced to do anything. and there's more humanitarian philosophy happening than you may realize or wish to acknowledge. I just don't understand who s person or an organization can do work for humanity and people think there's always a bargaining process going on. Harry has such a weak mind that he fears that someone is going to trick him into converting to Christianity. Weak mind? Mirror please!!! Plonk!- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - snerk JPS just plonked Tim... Guess some folks are just so far up their own asses they can't see reality anymore... Nope. It was me the dummy plonked. This is getting hilarious. If Harry was any kind of a friend he would show just plain stupid how to run his filtering machine. Do you change your name for reasons other than to get around filters? When I first suggested filtering you, you said go ahead, I only use two handles. Now you use new sig every day. Do you have an obsession? Are you that simple? |
Death of a religious sect on the horizon?
jps wrote:
On Wed, 24 Jun 2009 13:33:47 -0400, Jimo wrote: JustWaitAFrekinMinute! wrote: On Jun 24, 12:44 pm, jps wrote: On Wed, 24 Jun 2009 11:58:51 -0400, Jim242424 wrote: Tim wrote: On Jun 24, 7:10 am, HK wrote: Tim wrote: On Jun 23, 5:47 am, HK wrote: Tim wrote: On Jun 23, 5:17 am, HK wrote: That's not the point, tim. The fact remains that in many underdeveloped countries, especially in central and south america, evangelical christians use the "help" they offer impoverished native peoples as a hook to "convert" them to the protestant form of christianity de jour. I have a couple of relatives by marriage who support these efforts with contributions and trips to these countries to "help," and I have listened to their tales and seen their newsletters. Well, I used to...they stopped telling me about these conversion efforts after I told them many times I thought the practice was disgusting on many levels. It's weird, too, because several times it was obvious that Roman Catholics were being converted to protestantism...apparently the simpie evangelicals, many of them, try to promote the idea that the Catholics are *not* christians. To me, evangelical christians seem very insecure in their relgious beliefs. Those who remain unconverted seem a threat to the born-agains. Reminds me of the Borg Collective from the old Star Trek shows. "Assimilate...resistance is futile..." Well, screw that. harry, I have a brother and sister-in-law who have done the same in Panama for years. sister-in-law is a dentist/LPN who has worked very extensively with Guaymi indians for years. My brother builds clinics and church's (Oops". I meant to say "COMPOUNDS!") their kids come up here and finish high school then go back. My family members have no insecurity in their faith. Of course they're not really living in a hostile part of the world. Harry, for those who feel threatened by Christianity. I feel sorry for. If people like like my family members don't do anything to help who they do. Then who will? the government? Gee, tim...i dunno. My dentist is gone in july and august (his partners handle emergencies) every year. He goes to underserved asian countries (he's korean) to fix the teeth of kids who have no way to pay for such services. He sure as hell isn't serving up religion with his dentistry. hey, I'm glad your dentist does some humanity work. And he's gone for a month? Hmmm... my family has been gone for 20 years. About two months every year. Free. That means no charge to the patients, and no guilt trips in religion and no "thank jesus" nonsense. 20 years free. also no charge to patients and no guilt trips. One thing I don't really think you understand Harry is that one basis of Christianity is that you help others regardless of any "conversion" experience. Nobody is forced to do anything. and there's more humanitarian philosophy happening than you may realize or wish to acknowledge. I just don't understand who s person or an organization can do work for humanity and people think there's always a bargaining process going on. Harry has such a weak mind that he fears that someone is going to trick him into converting to Christianity. Weak mind? Mirror please!!! Plonk!- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - snerk JPS just plonked Tim... Guess some folks are just so far up their own asses they can't see reality anymore... Nope. It was me the dummy plonked. This is getting hilarious. If Harry was any kind of a friend he would show just plain stupid how to run his filtering machine. Do you change your name for reasons other than to get around filters? When I first suggested filtering you, you said go ahead, I only use two handles. Now you use new sig every day. Do you have an obsession? Are you that simple? It's all he has left. When he was mustered out of the navy, he had no skills. A neighbor kid taught him how to change his handle in usenet. |
Death of a religious sect on the horizon?
jps wrote:
On Wed, 24 Jun 2009 13:33:47 -0400, Jimo wrote: JustWaitAFrekinMinute! wrote: On Jun 24, 12:44 pm, jps wrote: On Wed, 24 Jun 2009 11:58:51 -0400, Jim242424 wrote: Tim wrote: On Jun 24, 7:10 am, HK wrote: Tim wrote: On Jun 23, 5:47 am, HK wrote: Tim wrote: On Jun 23, 5:17 am, HK wrote: That's not the point, tim. The fact remains that in many underdeveloped countries, especially in central and south america, evangelical christians use the "help" they offer impoverished native peoples as a hook to "convert" them to the protestant form of christianity de jour. I have a couple of relatives by marriage who support these efforts with contributions and trips to these countries to "help," and I have listened to their tales and seen their newsletters. Well, I used to...they stopped telling me about these conversion efforts after I told them many times I thought the practice was disgusting on many levels. It's weird, too, because several times it was obvious that Roman Catholics were being converted to protestantism...apparently the simpie evangelicals, many of them, try to promote the idea that the Catholics are *not* christians. To me, evangelical christians seem very insecure in their relgious beliefs. Those who remain unconverted seem a threat to the born-agains. Reminds me of the Borg Collective from the old Star Trek shows. "Assimilate...resistance is futile..." Well, screw that. harry, I have a brother and sister-in-law who have done the same in Panama for years. sister-in-law is a dentist/LPN who has worked very extensively with Guaymi indians for years. My brother builds clinics and church's (Oops". I meant to say "COMPOUNDS!") their kids come up here and finish high school then go back. My family members have no insecurity in their faith. Of course they're not really living in a hostile part of the world. Harry, for those who feel threatened by Christianity. I feel sorry for. If people like like my family members don't do anything to help who they do. Then who will? the government? Gee, tim...i dunno. My dentist is gone in july and august (his partners handle emergencies) every year. He goes to underserved asian countries (he's korean) to fix the teeth of kids who have no way to pay for such services. He sure as hell isn't serving up religion with his dentistry. hey, I'm glad your dentist does some humanity work. And he's gone for a month? Hmmm... my family has been gone for 20 years. About two months every year. Free. That means no charge to the patients, and no guilt trips in religion and no "thank jesus" nonsense. 20 years free. also no charge to patients and no guilt trips. One thing I don't really think you understand Harry is that one basis of Christianity is that you help others regardless of any "conversion" experience. Nobody is forced to do anything. and there's more humanitarian philosophy happening than you may realize or wish to acknowledge. I just don't understand who s person or an organization can do work for humanity and people think there's always a bargaining process going on. Harry has such a weak mind that he fears that someone is going to trick him into converting to Christianity. Weak mind? Mirror please!!! Plonk!- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - snerk JPS just plonked Tim... Guess some folks are just so far up their own asses they can't see reality anymore... Nope. It was me the dummy plonked. This is getting hilarious. If Harry was any kind of a friend he would show just plain stupid how to run his filtering machine. Do you change your name for reasons other than to get around filters? When I first suggested filtering you, you said go ahead, I only use two handles. Now you use new sig every day. Do you have an obsession? Are you that simple? You need to figure out how to use filters -- Reginald P. Smithers III, Esq. This Newsgroup post is a natural product. The slight variations in spelling and grammar enhance its individual character and beauty and in no way are to be considered flaws or defects |
Death of a religious sect on the horizon?
Reginald P Smithers III, Esq. wrote:
jps wrote: On Wed, 24 Jun 2009 13:33:47 -0400, Jimo wrote: JustWaitAFrekinMinute! wrote: On Jun 24, 12:44 pm, jps wrote: On Wed, 24 Jun 2009 11:58:51 -0400, Jim242424 wrote: Tim wrote: On Jun 24, 7:10 am, HK wrote: Tim wrote: On Jun 23, 5:47 am, HK wrote: Tim wrote: On Jun 23, 5:17 am, HK wrote: That's not the point, tim. The fact remains that in many underdeveloped countries, especially in central and south america, evangelical christians use the "help" they offer impoverished native peoples as a hook to "convert" them to the protestant form of christianity de jour. I have a couple of relatives by marriage who support these efforts with contributions and trips to these countries to "help," and I have listened to their tales and seen their newsletters. Well, I used to...they stopped telling me about these conversion efforts after I told them many times I thought the practice was disgusting on many levels. It's weird, too, because several times it was obvious that Roman Catholics were being converted to protestantism...apparently the simpie evangelicals, many of them, try to promote the idea that the Catholics are *not* christians. To me, evangelical christians seem very insecure in their relgious beliefs. Those who remain unconverted seem a threat to the born-agains. Reminds me of the Borg Collective from the old Star Trek shows. "Assimilate...resistance is futile..." Well, screw that. harry, I have a brother and sister-in-law who have done the same in Panama for years. sister-in-law is a dentist/LPN who has worked very extensively with Guaymi indians for years. My brother builds clinics and church's (Oops". I meant to say "COMPOUNDS!") their kids come up here and finish high school then go back. My family members have no insecurity in their faith. Of course they're not really living in a hostile part of the world. Harry, for those who feel threatened by Christianity. I feel sorry for. If people like like my family members don't do anything to help who they do. Then who will? the government? Gee, tim...i dunno. My dentist is gone in july and august (his partners handle emergencies) every year. He goes to underserved asian countries (he's korean) to fix the teeth of kids who have no way to pay for such services. He sure as hell isn't serving up religion with his dentistry. hey, I'm glad your dentist does some humanity work. And he's gone for a month? Hmmm... my family has been gone for 20 years. About two months every year. Free. That means no charge to the patients, and no guilt trips in religion and no "thank jesus" nonsense. 20 years free. also no charge to patients and no guilt trips. One thing I don't really think you understand Harry is that one basis of Christianity is that you help others regardless of any "conversion" experience. Nobody is forced to do anything. and there's more humanitarian philosophy happening than you may realize or wish to acknowledge. I just don't understand who s person or an organization can do work for humanity and people think there's always a bargaining process going on. Harry has such a weak mind that he fears that someone is going to trick him into converting to Christianity. Weak mind? Mirror please!!! Plonk!- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - snerk JPS just plonked Tim... Guess some folks are just so far up their own asses they can't see reality anymore... Nope. It was me the dummy plonked. This is getting hilarious. If Harry was any kind of a friend he would show just plain stupid how to run his filtering machine. Do you change your name for reasons other than to get around filters? When I first suggested filtering you, you said go ahead, I only use two handles. Now you use new sig every day. Do you have an obsession? Are you that simple? You need to figure out how to use filters I thought Harry might show Junior how to set up filters but I'm beginning to wonder if Harry knows how to run filters himself. Thos whole bozo bin thing might just be a fragment of his figmentation. |
Death of a religious sect on the horizon?
"Jim2424242" wrote in message ... Reginald P Smithers III, Esq. wrote: jps wrote: On Wed, 24 Jun 2009 13:33:47 -0400, Jimo wrote: JustWaitAFrekinMinute! wrote: On Jun 24, 12:44 pm, jps wrote: On Wed, 24 Jun 2009 11:58:51 -0400, Jim242424 wrote: Tim wrote: On Jun 24, 7:10 am, HK wrote: Tim wrote: On Jun 23, 5:47 am, HK wrote: Tim wrote: On Jun 23, 5:17 am, HK wrote: That's not the point, tim. The fact remains that in many underdeveloped countries, especially in central and south america, evangelical christians use the "help" they offer impoverished native peoples as a hook to "convert" them to the protestant form of christianity de jour. I have a couple of relatives by marriage who support these efforts with contributions and trips to these countries to "help," and I have listened to their tales and seen their newsletters. Well, I used to...they stopped telling me about these conversion efforts after I told them many times I thought the practice was disgusting on many levels. It's weird, too, because several times it was obvious that Roman Catholics were being converted to protestantism...apparently the simpie evangelicals, many of them, try to promote the idea that the Catholics are *not* christians. To me, evangelical christians seem very insecure in their relgious beliefs. Those who remain unconverted seem a threat to the born-agains. Reminds me of the Borg Collective from the old Star Trek shows. "Assimilate...resistance is futile..." Well, screw that. harry, I have a brother and sister-in-law who have done the same in Panama for years. sister-in-law is a dentist/LPN who has worked very extensively with Guaymi indians for years. My brother builds clinics and church's (Oops". I meant to say "COMPOUNDS!") their kids come up here and finish high school then go back. My family members have no insecurity in their faith. Of course they're not really living in a hostile part of the world. Harry, for those who feel threatened by Christianity. I feel sorry for. If people like like my family members don't do anything to help who they do. Then who will? the government? Gee, tim...i dunno. My dentist is gone in july and august (his partners handle emergencies) every year. He goes to underserved asian countries (he's korean) to fix the teeth of kids who have no way to pay for such services. He sure as hell isn't serving up religion with his dentistry. hey, I'm glad your dentist does some humanity work. And he's gone for a month? Hmmm... my family has been gone for 20 years. About two months every year. Free. That means no charge to the patients, and no guilt trips in religion and no "thank jesus" nonsense. 20 years free. also no charge to patients and no guilt trips. One thing I don't really think you understand Harry is that one basis of Christianity is that you help others regardless of any "conversion" experience. Nobody is forced to do anything. and there's more humanitarian philosophy happening than you may realize or wish to acknowledge. I just don't understand who s person or an organization can do work for humanity and people think there's always a bargaining process going on. Harry has such a weak mind that he fears that someone is going to trick him into converting to Christianity. Weak mind? Mirror please!!! Plonk!- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - snerk JPS just plonked Tim... Guess some folks are just so far up their own asses they can't see reality anymore... Nope. It was me the dummy plonked. This is getting hilarious. If Harry was any kind of a friend he would show just plain stupid how to run his filtering machine. Do you change your name for reasons other than to get around filters? When I first suggested filtering you, you said go ahead, I only use two handles. Now you use new sig every day. Do you have an obsession? Are you that simple? You need to figure out how to use filters I thought Harry might show Junior how to set up filters but I'm beginning to wonder if Harry knows how to run filters himself. Thos whole bozo bin thing might just be a fragment of his figmentation. Careful, you're approaching the maximum allowable nom de plume characters in Usenet. |
Death of a religious sect on the horizon?
On Wed, 24 Jun 2009 18:11:15 -0400, "D.Duck" wrote:
"Jim2424242" wrote in message ... Reginald P Smithers III, Esq. wrote: jps wrote: On Wed, 24 Jun 2009 13:33:47 -0400, Jimo wrote: JustWaitAFrekinMinute! wrote: On Jun 24, 12:44 pm, jps wrote: On Wed, 24 Jun 2009 11:58:51 -0400, Jim242424 wrote: Tim wrote: On Jun 24, 7:10 am, HK wrote: Tim wrote: On Jun 23, 5:47 am, HK wrote: Tim wrote: On Jun 23, 5:17 am, HK wrote: That's not the point, tim. The fact remains that in many underdeveloped countries, especially in central and south america, evangelical christians use the "help" they offer impoverished native peoples as a hook to "convert" them to the protestant form of christianity de jour. I have a couple of relatives by marriage who support these efforts with contributions and trips to these countries to "help," and I have listened to their tales and seen their newsletters. Well, I used to...they stopped telling me about these conversion efforts after I told them many times I thought the practice was disgusting on many levels. It's weird, too, because several times it was obvious that Roman Catholics were being converted to protestantism...apparently the simpie evangelicals, many of them, try to promote the idea that the Catholics are *not* christians. To me, evangelical christians seem very insecure in their relgious beliefs. Those who remain unconverted seem a threat to the born-agains. Reminds me of the Borg Collective from the old Star Trek shows. "Assimilate...resistance is futile..." Well, screw that. harry, I have a brother and sister-in-law who have done the same in Panama for years. sister-in-law is a dentist/LPN who has worked very extensively with Guaymi indians for years. My brother builds clinics and church's (Oops". I meant to say "COMPOUNDS!") their kids come up here and finish high school then go back. My family members have no insecurity in their faith. Of course they're not really living in a hostile part of the world. Harry, for those who feel threatened by Christianity. I feel sorry for. If people like like my family members don't do anything to help who they do. Then who will? the government? Gee, tim...i dunno. My dentist is gone in july and august (his partners handle emergencies) every year. He goes to underserved asian countries (he's korean) to fix the teeth of kids who have no way to pay for such services. He sure as hell isn't serving up religion with his dentistry. hey, I'm glad your dentist does some humanity work. And he's gone for a month? Hmmm... my family has been gone for 20 years. About two months every year. Free. That means no charge to the patients, and no guilt trips in religion and no "thank jesus" nonsense. 20 years free. also no charge to patients and no guilt trips. One thing I don't really think you understand Harry is that one basis of Christianity is that you help others regardless of any "conversion" experience. Nobody is forced to do anything. and there's more humanitarian philosophy happening than you may realize or wish to acknowledge. I just don't understand who s person or an organization can do work for humanity and people think there's always a bargaining process going on. Harry has such a weak mind that he fears that someone is going to trick him into converting to Christianity. Weak mind? Mirror please!!! Plonk!- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - snerk JPS just plonked Tim... Guess some folks are just so far up their own asses they can't see reality anymore... Nope. It was me the dummy plonked. This is getting hilarious. If Harry was any kind of a friend he would show just plain stupid how to run his filtering machine. Do you change your name for reasons other than to get around filters? When I first suggested filtering you, you said go ahead, I only use two handles. Now you use new sig every day. Do you have an obsession? Are you that simple? You need to figure out how to use filters I thought Harry might show Junior how to set up filters but I'm beginning to wonder if Harry knows how to run filters himself. Thos whole bozo bin thing might just be a fragment of his figmentation. Careful, you're approaching the maximum allowable nom de plume characters in Usenet. I don't think he's used half the number HK, HKrause, harry krause, hkrause, a boater, the boater, etc, etc, has used. |
Death of a religious sect on the horizon?
On Wed, 24 Jun 2009 18:11:15 -0400, "D.Duck" wrote:
"Jim2424242" wrote in message ... Reginald P Smithers III, Esq. wrote: jps wrote: On Wed, 24 Jun 2009 13:33:47 -0400, Jimo wrote: JustWaitAFrekinMinute! wrote: On Jun 24, 12:44 pm, jps wrote: On Wed, 24 Jun 2009 11:58:51 -0400, Jim242424 wrote: Tim wrote: On Jun 24, 7:10 am, HK wrote: Tim wrote: On Jun 23, 5:47 am, HK wrote: Tim wrote: On Jun 23, 5:17 am, HK wrote: That's not the point, tim. The fact remains that in many underdeveloped countries, especially in central and south america, evangelical christians use the "help" they offer impoverished native peoples as a hook to "convert" them to the protestant form of christianity de jour. I have a couple of relatives by marriage who support these efforts with contributions and trips to these countries to "help," and I have listened to their tales and seen their newsletters. Well, I used to...they stopped telling me about these conversion efforts after I told them many times I thought the practice was disgusting on many levels. It's weird, too, because several times it was obvious that Roman Catholics were being converted to protestantism...apparently the simpie evangelicals, many of them, try to promote the idea that the Catholics are *not* christians. To me, evangelical christians seem very insecure in their relgious beliefs. Those who remain unconverted seem a threat to the born-agains. Reminds me of the Borg Collective from the old Star Trek shows. "Assimilate...resistance is futile..." Well, screw that. harry, I have a brother and sister-in-law who have done the same in Panama for years. sister-in-law is a dentist/LPN who has worked very extensively with Guaymi indians for years. My brother builds clinics and church's (Oops". I meant to say "COMPOUNDS!") their kids come up here and finish high school then go back. My family members have no insecurity in their faith. Of course they're not really living in a hostile part of the world. Harry, for those who feel threatened by Christianity. I feel sorry for. If people like like my family members don't do anything to help who they do. Then who will? the government? Gee, tim...i dunno. My dentist is gone in july and august (his partners handle emergencies) every year. He goes to underserved asian countries (he's korean) to fix the teeth of kids who have no way to pay for such services. He sure as hell isn't serving up religion with his dentistry. hey, I'm glad your dentist does some humanity work. And he's gone for a month? Hmmm... my family has been gone for 20 years. About two months every year. Free. That means no charge to the patients, and no guilt trips in religion and no "thank jesus" nonsense. 20 years free. also no charge to patients and no guilt trips. One thing I don't really think you understand Harry is that one basis of Christianity is that you help others regardless of any "conversion" experience. Nobody is forced to do anything. and there's more humanitarian philosophy happening than you may realize or wish to acknowledge. I just don't understand who s person or an organization can do work for humanity and people think there's always a bargaining process going on. Harry has such a weak mind that he fears that someone is going to trick him into converting to Christianity. Weak mind? Mirror please!!! Plonk!- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - snerk JPS just plonked Tim... Guess some folks are just so far up their own asses they can't see reality anymore... Nope. It was me the dummy plonked. This is getting hilarious. If Harry was any kind of a friend he would show just plain stupid how to run his filtering machine. Do you change your name for reasons other than to get around filters? When I first suggested filtering you, you said go ahead, I only use two handles. Now you use new sig every day. Do you have an obsession? Are you that simple? You need to figure out how to use filters I thought Harry might show Junior how to set up filters but I'm beginning to wonder if Harry knows how to run filters himself. Thos whole bozo bin thing might just be a fragment of his figmentation. Careful, you're approaching the maximum allowable nom de plume characters in Usenet. I could filter him on Jim but there's another Jim with a much better brain whose posts I enjoy. Jim from nowhere is a floater. |
Death of a religious sect on the horizon?
On Jun 24, 8:12*am, HK wrote:
Tim wrote: On Jun 24, 7:10 am, HK wrote: Tim wrote: On Jun 23, 5:47 am, HK wrote: Tim wrote: On Jun 23, 5:17 am, HK wrote: That's not the point, tim. The fact remains that in many underdeveloped countries, especially in central and south america, evangelical christians use the "help" they offer impoverished native peoples as a hook to "convert" them to the protestant form of christianity de jour. I have a couple of relatives by marriage who support these efforts with contributions and trips to these countries to "help," and I have listened to their tales and seen their newsletters. Well, I used to...they stopped telling me about these conversion efforts after I told them many times I thought the practice was disgusting on many levels. It's weird, too, because several times it was obvious that Roman Catholics were being converted to protestantism...apparently the simpie evangelicals, many of them, try to promote the idea that the Catholics are *not* christians. To me, evangelical christians seem very insecure in their relgious beliefs. Those who remain unconverted seem a threat to the born-agains. Reminds me of the Borg Collective from the old Star Trek shows. "Assimilate...resistance is futile..." Well, screw that. harry, I have a brother and sister-in-law *who have done the same in Panama for years. sister-in-law is a dentist/LPN who has worked very extensively with Guaymi indians for years. My brother builds clinics and church's (Oops". I meant to say "COMPOUNDS!") their kids come up here and finish high school then go back. My family members have no insecurity in their faith. Of course *they're not really living in a hostile part of the world. Harry, for those who feel threatened by Christianity. I feel sorry for. If people like like my family members don't do anything to help who they do. Then who will? the government? Gee, tim...i dunno. My dentist is gone in july and august (his partners handle emergencies) every year. He goes to underserved asian countries (he's korean) to fix the teeth of kids who have no way to pay for such services. He sure as hell isn't serving up religion with his dentistry. hey, I'm glad your dentist does some humanity work. And he's gone for a month? Hmmm... my family has been gone *for 20 years. About two months every year. Free. That means no charge to the patients, and no guilt trips in religion and no "thank jesus" nonsense. 20 years free. also no charge to patients and no guilt trips. One thing I don't really think you understand Harry is that one basis of Christianity is that you help others regardless of any "conversion" experience. Nobody is forced to do anything. and there's more humanitarian philosophy happening than you may *realize or wish to acknowledge. I just don't understand who s person or an organization can do work for humanity and people think there's always a bargaining process going on. Tim, I simply do not agree with this statement of yours: "Nobody is forced to do anything." But I do not for a moment doubt your sincerity or the sincerity of your beliefs. Sounds like a line from a Richard Dawkins video. Especially at 1:36 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WmHDiJHxEic But thanks Harry. BTW, even though you didn't mention it, I thought I'd add that I don't feel I'm "hallucinating" either. But that's OK if you may happen to feel that way as well.. |
Death of a religious sect on the horizon?
On Jun 24, 12:37*pm, jps wrote:
On Wed, 24 Jun 2009 04:54:12 -0700 (PDT), Tim wrote: On Jun 22, 9:54*am, HK wrote: What fundamentalist religions do, religions like the white southern baptists, is try to push their alleged principles, precepts, beliefs, and bull**** onto others, and onto society generally. Harry. religions help to form societies. some for the good and some for the not so good. Atheistic thinking does too. Just ask Karl Marx. As if all atheists are Marxists. How Rushian of you. "Rushian?" If you mean R. Limbag, I haven't listened to him in probably two years. If you men "Russian" well, that reminds me that Stalin eliminated an estimated 16-20 million of his countrymen all in the name of atheistic communism. He made Hitler and his 6 mill. Jews look like an armature. |
Death of a religious sect on the horizon?
On Wed, 24 Jun 2009 15:56:16 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote: On Jun 24, 12:37*pm, jps wrote: On Wed, 24 Jun 2009 04:54:12 -0700 (PDT), Tim wrote: On Jun 22, 9:54*am, HK wrote: What fundamentalist religions do, religions like the white southern baptists, is try to push their alleged principles, precepts, beliefs, and bull**** onto others, and onto society generally. Harry. religions help to form societies. some for the good and some for the not so good. Atheistic thinking does too. Just ask Karl Marx. As if all atheists are Marxists. How Rushian of you. "Rushian?" If you mean R. Limbag, I haven't listened to him in probably two years. He inhabits your soul. He's a good Christian. |
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