On Mon, 22 Jun 2009 05:32:17 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote:

On Jun 22, 5:15Â*am, Wizard of Woodstock wrote:
On Sun, 21 Jun 2009 20:15:06 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote:



that looks like a serious dose of the clap, you got Â*there Tom. Too
much exposure to salt in a tight spot.

Don't think so - if that were the case, the entire system would be
compromised like this and it's pretty clean up the tube to the brake
actuator - just a dirt.

What I think happened is that the solenoid let go - that's basically
brake fluid corrosion. This has been leaking for sometime - that's
what I'm thinking. Â*I have had to add brake fluid over the years, but
it's a pretty open system so evaporation I figured - apparently not.

No indication it was leaking either until it let go.

On my trailer (23' Marquis) it's all exposed and so it has less means
of build up.

The pic of the brake line looks evil too. and it might be a lot of fun
trying to bleed the brakes with them baptized in brine as well.

I've seen that on an old Escort I had that had a brake line release.
Corrosive stuff brake fluid.

Well, I'm not one to dispute the Wizard, but I've sen many an old car
and/or truck that had a gazillion miles and years on them and no rust
on the cast iron brake reservoir.

I wonder what the difference is? something abotu the heat under the
engine compartment causing something not to rust and corroede?

I've been arguing for years about how the "hygroscopic" quality of
brake fluid sucking up water is waaay overstated.
Never touched the 14 year-old fluid on one of my cars, and never had a
brake problem. I was called all kinds of names for that.
But I can't argue against fluid changes.
Too many brake mechanics say it happens.
Can't remember exactly now, but other brake mechanics/scientists say
the internal corrosion is caused by chemical reactions of the metal
with the fluid and has nothing to do with water.
Tom should slice that rusted line in half with a diatomic scalpel
(can't remember the SciFi short story, but it was a hell of a scalpel)
and take a look at the inside of the line.

--Vic

On Mon, 22 Jun 2009 08:00:39 -0500, Vic Smith
wrote:

On Mon, 22 Jun 2009 05:32:17 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote:

On Jun 22, 5:15*am, Wizard of Woodstock wrote:
On Sun, 21 Jun 2009 20:15:06 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote:



that looks like a serious dose of the clap, you got *there Tom. Too
much exposure to salt in a tight spot.

Don't think so - if that were the case, the entire system would be
compromised like this and it's pretty clean up the tube to the brake
actuator - just a dirt.

What I think happened is that the solenoid let go - that's basically
brake fluid corrosion. This has been leaking for sometime - that's
what I'm thinking. *I have had to add brake fluid over the years, but
it's a pretty open system so evaporation I figured - apparently not.

No indication it was leaking either until it let go.

On my trailer (23' Marquis) it's all exposed and so it has less means
of build up.

The pic of the brake line looks evil too. and it might be a lot of fun
trying to bleed the brakes with them baptized in brine as well.

I've seen that on an old Escort I had that had a brake line release.
Corrosive stuff brake fluid.

Well, I'm not one to dispute the Wizard, but I've sen many an old car
and/or truck that had a gazillion miles and years on them and no rust
on the cast iron brake reservoir.

I wonder what the difference is? something abotu the heat under the
engine compartment causing something not to rust and corroede?

I've been arguing for years about how the "hygroscopic" quality of
brake fluid sucking up water is waaay overstated.

I would have to agree with you actually. My tractors use standard
brake fluid and I've never had a water problem - well, the one time
the Super A ended up in the irrigation pond at the orchard, but that
wasn't my fault. :)

Ok it was - just shut up about it.

Can't remember exactly now, but other brake mechanics/scientists say
the internal corrosion is caused by chemical reactions of the metal
with the fluid and has nothing to do with water.

Had an interesting discussion with the trailer mechanic up at
Northeast Industries this morning about this very topic. According to
him, the only truly safe way is to use rubber hose, not metal
throughout the system.

I'm sure that will spark some discussion. :)

Tom should slice that rusted line in half with a diatomic scalpel
(can't remember the SciFi short story, but it was a hell of a scalpel)
and take a look at the inside of the line.

That's not a bad idea - I might do that.

Don't have a diatomic scalpel, but I do have a tubing cutter and some
fiber optic fibers.

Hmmm...

You're right Vic - I remember that story but I can't remember who
wrote it or what it was about.

On Mon, 22 Jun 2009 11:05:57 -0400, Wizard of Woodstock
wrote:



You're right Vic - I remember that story but I can't remember who
wrote it or what it was about.

Think it was this
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Little_Black_Bag

--Vic

On Mon, 22 Jun 2009 11:10:09 -0500, Vic Smith
wrote:

On Mon, 22 Jun 2009 11:05:57 -0400, Wizard of Woodstock
wrote:



You're right Vic - I remember that story but I can't remember who
wrote it or what it was about.

Think it was this
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Little_Black_Bag

That's it - just looked at it - I have a compendium of '50s stories.

Must be getting old - I should have remembered that.

On Jun 22, 11:10*am, Vic Smith
wrote:
On Mon, 22 Jun 2009 11:05:57 -0400, Wizard of Woodstock

wrote:

You're right Vic - I remember that story but I can't remember who
wrote it or what it was about.

Think it was thishttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Little_Black_Bag

--Vic

I don't know about little black bag, but the first song I really was
able to play on bass guitar when I was 15 was "Little Green Bag" by
the George Baker Select. it's kinda mild rockish with a Lawrence Welk
twist to it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0L1hD5OlPtw

On Mon, 22 Jun 2009 15:14:26 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote:

On Jun 22, 11:10Â*am, Vic Smith
wrote:
On Mon, 22 Jun 2009 11:05:57 -0400, Wizard of Woodstock

wrote:

You're right Vic - I remember that story but I can't remember who
wrote it or what it was about.

Think it was thishttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Little_Black_Bag

--Vic

I don't know about little black bag, but the first song I really was
able to play on bass guitar when I was 15 was "Little Green Bag" by
the George Baker Select. it's kinda mild rockish with a Lawrence Welk
twist to it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0L1hD5OlPtw


Sounds like a drug song to me, but since it's you it's probably not.
I'm not too musically inclined except for some Strauss and Roy
Orbison. Well, I was on a Dionne Warwick youtube kick yesterday.
And I watch American Idol too.
Oh hell, I just don't like that hard/acid rock stuff.
Gives me a headache.
And those car boom boxes..boom..boom..boom.
They get me mad.
Probably some primal nonsense I have no control over.

--Vic

On Mon, 22 Jun 2009 19:08:29 -0400, Gene Kearns
wrote:

On Mon, 22 Jun 2009 17:55:37 -0500, Vic Smith penned the following
well considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats:


|Sounds like a drug song to me, but since it's you ......

In 1969, what *wasn't* a drug song?

Okie from Muskogee of course.
Merle Haggard - my second favorite voice.

--Vic

On Mon, 22 Jun 2009 18:33:06 -0500, Vic Smith
wrote:

On Mon, 22 Jun 2009 19:08:29 -0400, Gene Kearns
wrote:

On Mon, 22 Jun 2009 17:55:37 -0500, Vic Smith penned the following
well considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats:


|Sounds like a drug song to me, but since it's you ......

In 1969, what *wasn't* a drug song?

Okie from Muskogee of course.
Merle Haggard - my second favorite voice.

Two of my favorites rolled up in one.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JxzJAF1BxP4

On Mon, 22 Jun 2009 20:55:11 -0400, Gene Kearns
wrote:

On Mon, 22 Jun 2009 18:33:06 -0500, Vic Smith penned the following
well considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats:

|On Mon, 22 Jun 2009 19:08:29 -0400, Gene Kearns
wrote:
|
|On Mon, 22 Jun 2009 17:55:37 -0500, Vic Smith penned the following
|well considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats:
|
|
||Sounds like a drug song to me, but since it's you ......
|
|In 1969, what *wasn't* a drug song?
|
|Okie from Muskogee of course.
|Merle Haggard - my second favorite voice.
|
|--Vic

Oh, puleeeeeeze.....

http://tinyurl.com/l5utv6

Don't matter. It's what the audience took from it.
I was in the audience. And the words fit me well.
You surely haven't forgotten the Silent Majority?
Or Muskrat Love?

--Vic

On Mon, 22 Jun 2009 19:08:29 -0400, Gene Kearns
wrote:

On Mon, 22 Jun 2009 17:55:37 -0500, Vic Smith penned the following
well considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats:


|Sounds like a drug song to me, but since it's you ......

In 1969, what *wasn't* a drug song?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L9fwjox49Wk