On Sun, 21 Jun 2009 09:31:26 -0400, Eisboch wrote:


And Monday morning quarterbacks critics that sit all comfy at their desk
at home demeaning their motives, intelligence, education and sense of
duty.

Happened before. Happening again.

I'm not demeaning their sense of duty, but, as I have said before, we are
asking too much of too few. Five and six combat tours, just ain't a
healthy stress level on our young men and women. Wars should be a
national endeavor, not left to the few.

thunder wrote:
On Sun, 21 Jun 2009 09:31:26 -0400, Eisboch wrote:


And Monday morning quarterbacks critics that sit all comfy at their desk
at home demeaning their motives, intelligence, education and sense of
duty.

Happened before. Happening again.

I'm not demeaning their sense of duty, but, as I have said before, we are
asking too much of too few. Five and six combat tours, just ain't a
healthy stress level on our young men and women. Wars should be a
national endeavor, not left to the few.


The draft should be reinstated, with no exemptions but for the
physically or seriously mentally challenged. That alone would put a
chill on political warmongering, because the parents of the future
draftees would want a tad more proof than the Bush Admin provided before
they sent their kids off to die for the Republican Party.

HK wrote:
thunder wrote:
On Sun, 21 Jun 2009 09:31:26 -0400, Eisboch wrote:


And Monday morning quarterbacks critics that sit all comfy at their desk
at home demeaning their motives, intelligence, education and sense of
duty.

Happened before. Happening again.

I'm not demeaning their sense of duty, but, as I have said before, we
are asking too much of too few. Five and six combat tours, just ain't
a healthy stress level on our young men and women. Wars should be a
national endeavor, not left to the few.


The draft should be reinstated, with no exemptions but for the
physically or seriously mentally challenged. That alone would put a
chill on political warmongering, because the parents of the future
draftees would want a tad more proof than the Bush Admin provided before
they sent their kids off to die for the Republican Party.

I think they should reinstate the draft too. But this time don't let
sissies like Krause fall through the cracks. I don't know how Krause's
mommy got him out of it because there isn't anything I can see that
would legitimately get him off. She probably paid off some government
official to keep her precious boy out of harm's way.

On Jun 21, 8:45*am, HK wrote:
thunder wrote:
On Sun, 21 Jun 2009 09:31:26 -0400, Eisboch wrote:

And Monday morning quarterbacks critics that sit all comfy at their desk
at home demeaning their motives, intelligence, education and sense of
duty.

Happened before. *Happening again.

I'm not demeaning their sense of duty, but, as I have said before, we are
asking too much of too few. *Five and six combat tours, just ain't a
healthy stress level on our young men and women. *Wars should be a
national endeavor, not left to the few.

The draft should be reinstated, with no exemptions but for the
physically or seriously mentally challenged. That alone would put a
chill on political warmongering, because the parents of the future
draftees would want a tad more proof than the Bush Admin provided before
they sent their kids off to die for the Republican Party.

I noticed you didn't mention "age" as an exemption, Herr Krause. That
means you would be 1-A that is, unless you claimed being "seriously
mentally challenged" in which that would definitely keep you out.

On Sun, 21 Jun 2009 12:21:54 -0400, wrote:

On Sun, 21 Jun 2009 09:45:59 -0400, HK wrote:

The draft should be reinstated, with no exemptions but for the
physically or seriously mentally challenged. That alone would put a
chill on political warmongering, because the parents of the future
draftees would want a tad more proof than the Bush Admin provided before
they sent their kids off to die for the Republican Party.


I agree we should have the draft but I am not deluded that it would
keep old men from sending young men off to war.

As for the original post, I suspect this has more to do with the fact
that they actually do have treatment for alcoholism these days. The
military was a collection of functioning alcoholics (using the current
definition) in the 60s when I was there. There wasn't much else to do
off duty but drink in Norfolk.
You were either on duty, on Gramby street or sleeping it off in your
rack. That assumed you weren't drinking government subsidized beer in
the EM club.

Yeah, but all I could get was 3.2.

--Vic

"Vic Smith" wrote in message
...

Yeah, but all I could get was 3.2.

--Vic

Yabut we drank twice as much of the swill.

Eisboch

On Sun, 21 Jun 2009 13:01:49 -0400, "Eisboch"
wrote:


"Vic Smith" wrote in message
.. .

Yeah, but all I could get was 3.2.

Yabut we drank twice as much of the swill.

Well, that explains a lot. :)

Ommmmmmmmmmm........

On Sun, 21 Jun 2009 14:04:21 -0400, wrote:

On Sun, 21 Jun 2009 11:26:29 -0500, Vic Smith
wrote:


Yeah, but all I could get was 3.2.

--Vic

That was true in Bainbridge NTC, but not in Norfolk.
We gut the same cans of beer you got in town.

As Eisboch said, you just drank more, so it didn't matter anyway.
I always did my drinking downtown, but in the states I didn't get
hammered too often.
Only EM club I went to was either Little Creek or Oceana.
Can't remember. And only once, since I smashed my car up on the way
back to D&S Piers. Couldn't go any more when I got out of jail.
No car.

When I was at the AOQ in Gitmo 1968 (IBM trip) they had a beer machine
right in the building. (25 cents a can)

Gitmo was a hellhole to me. Barred window busses to get to the club,
and not a broad anywhere. Enough to make you give up drinking right
there.

--Vic

Vic Smith wrote:
On Sun, 21 Jun 2009 14:04:21 -0400, wrote:

On Sun, 21 Jun 2009 11:26:29 -0500, Vic Smith
wrote:

Yeah, but all I could get was 3.2.

--Vic
That was true in Bainbridge NTC, but not in Norfolk.
We gut the same cans of beer you got in town.

As Eisboch said, you just drank more, so it didn't matter anyway.
I always did my drinking downtown, but in the states I didn't get
hammered too often.
Only EM club I went to was either Little Creek or Oceana.
Can't remember. And only once, since I smashed my car up on the way
back to D&S Piers. Couldn't go any more when I got out of jail.
No car.

When I was at the AOQ in Gitmo 1968 (IBM trip) they had a beer machine
right in the building. (25 cents a can)

Gitmo was a hellhole to me. Barred window busses to get to the club,
and not a broad anywhere. Enough to make you give up drinking right
there.

--Vic
Busses? I guess you never got to ride the cattle cars to the club next
to the air strip??

On Sun, 21 Jun 2009 14:46:54 -0400, Jim24242
wrote:

Vic Smith wrote:
On Sun, 21 Jun 2009 14:04:21 -0400, wrote:

On Sun, 21 Jun 2009 11:26:29 -0500, Vic Smith
wrote:

Yeah, but all I could get was 3.2.

--Vic
That was true in Bainbridge NTC, but not in Norfolk.
We gut the same cans of beer you got in town.

As Eisboch said, you just drank more, so it didn't matter anyway.
I always did my drinking downtown, but in the states I didn't get
hammered too often.
Only EM club I went to was either Little Creek or Oceana.
Can't remember. And only once, since I smashed my car up on the way
back to D&S Piers. Couldn't go any more when I got out of jail.
No car.

When I was at the AOQ in Gitmo 1968 (IBM trip) they had a beer machine
right in the building. (25 cents a can)

Gitmo was a hellhole to me. Barred window busses to get to the club,
and not a broad anywhere. Enough to make you give up drinking right
there.

--Vic
Busses? I guess you never got to ride the cattle cars to the club next
to the air strip??

Yeah, we called the busses cattle cars, but maybe others won't get it.
Never saw the airstrip. Maybe too many bars on the bus windows.
Think I remember seeing the guard towers on the border.
And a lot of trees.
The more I forget about Gitmo, the better.
Only there once for a couple days, a stop on a shakedown cruise.
We were always on port/starboard watches away form Norfolk, so I
only got ashore once.

--Vic