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Obama as God?
jps wrote:
On Mon, 08 Jun 2009 15:32:35 -0400, HK wrote: wrote: On Jun 8, 2:19 pm, jps wrote: On Mon, 8 Jun 2009 09:27:55 -0600, "SteveB" wrote: Yeah, I'll bet some of the passengers in that jet that went down on the way to France got religious, too. Didn't do them any good, either. Didn't make any difference in THIS life. But I think it did in the next one. How very charming. Old fart believes in fairy tales. How very intolerant to disrespect a popularly held belief. Why are you so intolerant of the majority on so many issues? Do you really think you are smarter than the rest of the country? Yeah, it was very intolerant of those of us who supported the Voting Rights Act of 1964 to "disrespect" the beliefs of the white trash who opposed it. I would have more respect for "religion" if its "believers" didn't work so hard to try to force it down our society's throats. It's the American constitution that guarantees free speech. The Freak only likes free speech when it serves his pinhole view of the world. That the majority of Americans believe in fairy tales and place more faith in being forgiven than acting properly in the here and now is sickening. Go to church to wash yourself of filth, pretend you're pious and then go **** everyone else starting Monday morning. We should use enhanced interrogation on that ****wads who use the bible and Jesus as leverage to kill another man. There's absolutely no difference between he and murdering Taliban. Except one is a "Christian" and the other is a "Muslim." Murder in the name of God is still murder. It's not the "free speech" to which I object on the part of the religious hucksters. I don't care what the "believers" do so long as they do it with their own money and on their own property. JustHate, by the way, is one of those who believe it doesn't matter what you do in the here and now, because if you "accept" Jesus at the end, you shall be "saved." I wonder if Joe Stalin got religion at the very end, accepted Jesus, and was "saved"? There are those who claim the United States is a "christian nation." To them, I say, "bull****." Give this a read; I am sure you are familiar with it: Treaty of Peace and Friendship between the United States and the Bey and Subjects of Tripoli of Barbary Authored by American diplomat Joel Barlow in 1796, the following treaty was sent to the floor of the Senate, June 7, 1797, where it was read aloud in its entirety and unanimously approved. John Adams, having seen the treaty, signed it and proudly proclaimed it to the Nation. Annals of Congress, 5th Congress Article 1. There is a firm and perpetual peace and friendship between the United States of America and the Bey and subjects of Tripoli, of Barbary, made by the free consent of both parties, and guarantied by the most potent Dey and Regency of Algiers. Art. 2. If any goods belonging to any nation with which either of the parties is at war, shall be loaded on board of vessels belonging to the other party, they shall pass free, and no attempt shall be made to take or detain them. Art. 3. If any citizens , subjects, or effects, belonging to either party, shall be found on board a prize vessel taken from an enemy by the other party, such citizens or subjects shall be set at liberty, and the effects restored to the owners. Art. 4. Proper passports are to be given to all vessels of both parties, by which they are to be known. And considering the distance between the two countries, eighteen months from the date of this treaty, shall be allowed for procuring such passports. During this interval the other papers, belonging to such vessels, shall be sufficient for their protection. Art. 5. A citizen or subject of either party having bought a prize vessel, condemned by the other party, or by any other nation, the certificates of condemnation and bill of sale shall be a sufficient passport for such vessel for one year; this being a reasonable time for her to procure a proper passport. Art. 6. Vessels of either party, putting into the ports of the other, and having need of provisions or other supplies, they shall be furnished at the market price. And if any such vessel shall so put in, from a disaster at sea, and have occasion to repair, she shall be at liberty to land and re-embark her cargo without paying any duties. But in case shall she be compelled to the land her cargo. Art. 7. Should a vessel of either party be cast on the shore of the other, all proper assistance shall be given to her and her people; no pillage shall be allowed; the property shall remain at the disposition of the owners; and the crew protectedand succored till they can be sent to their country. Art. 8. If a vessel of either party should be attacked by an enemy, within gun-shot of the forts of the other , she shall be defended as much as possible. If she be in port she shall not be seized on or attacked, when it is in the power of the other party to protect her. And when she proceeds to sea, no enemy shall be allowed to pursue her from the same port, within twenty-four hours after her departure. Art. 9. The commerce between the United States and Tripoli; the protection to be given to merchants, masters of vessels, and seamen; the reciprocal right of the establishing Consuls in each country; and the privileges, immunities, and jurisdiction, to be on the same footing with those of the most favored nations respectively. Art. 10. The money and presents demanded by the Bey of Tripoli, as a full and satisfactory consideration on his part, and on the part of his subjects, for this treaty of perpetual peace and friendship, are acknowledged to have been received by him previous to his signing the same, according to a receipt which is hereto annexed, except such as part as is promised, on the part of the United States, to be delivered and paid by them on the arrival of their Consul in Tripoli; of which part a note is likewise hereto annexed. And no pretense of any periodical tribute of further payments is ever to be made by either party. *** Art. 11. As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion; as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion, or tranquillity, of Mussulmen; and, as the said States never entered into any war, or act of hostility against any Mahometan nation, it is declared by the parties, that no pretext arising from religious opinions, shall ever produce an interruption of the harmony existing between the two countries. *** Art. 12. In case of any dispute, arising from a violation of any of the articles of this treaty, no appeal shall be made to arms; nor shall war be declared on any pretext whatever. But if the Consul, residing at the place where the dispute shall happen, shall not be able to settle the same, an amicable referrence shall be made to the mutual friend of the parties, the Dey of Algiers; the parties hereby engaging to abide by his decision. And he, by virtue of his signature to this treaty, engages for himself and successors to declare the justice of the case, according to the true interpretation of the treaty, and to use all the means in his power to enforce the observance of the same. Signed and sealed at Tripoli of Barbary the 3d day of Junad in the year of the Hegira 1211— corresponding with the 4th day of November, 1796, by JUSSOF BASHAW MAHOMET, Bey. MAMET, Treasurer. AMET, Minister of Marine. SOLIMAN KAYA. GALIL, General of the Troops. MAHOMET, Commander of the City. AMET, Chamberlain. ALLY, Chief of the Divan. MAMET, Secretary. Signed and sealed at Algiers, the 4th day of Argill, 1211—corresponding with the 3d day of January, 1797, by HASSAN BASHAW, Dey, And by the agent Plenipotentiary of the United States of America, JOEL BARLOW. Article 11 is the key: Art. 11. As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion; Let those who think otherwise go argue with the ghost of John Adams. |
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