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"President Obama, in a pivot from some of his harshest campaign
rhetoric, told Democratic senators yesterday that he is willing to
consider taxing employer-sponsored health benefits to help pay for a
broad expansion of coverage."

http://tinyurl.com/kvkndy

Is this a tax aimed at those who don’t need or use government health
insurance? If you’re already getting benefits from your employer,
you’re opting out of ObamaCare, no?

Is this a case of forcing the private insurance by employeers to be
canceled and forcing employees into a national care system?

If that's the case where’s all the revenue from taxing health benefits
coming from?

I’m missing something. The way I read it, private plans will be taxed
to pay for national health care thus, in practice, forcing people to
move to the national system which is being paid for by taxes on
insurance benefits that no longer exist.

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Wizard of Woodstock wrote:
"President Obama, in a pivot from some of his harshest campaign
rhetoric, told Democratic senators yesterday that he is willing to
consider taxing employer-sponsored health benefits to help pay for a
broad expansion of coverage."

http://tinyurl.com/kvkndy

Is this a tax aimed at those who don’t need or use government health
insurance? If you’re already getting benefits from your employer,
you’re opting out of ObamaCare, no?

Is this a case of forcing the private insurance by employeers to be
canceled and forcing employees into a national care system?

If that's the case where’s all the revenue from taxing health benefits
coming from?

I’m missing something. The way I read it, private plans will be taxed
to pay for national health care thus, in practice, forcing people to
move to the national system which is being paid for by taxes on
insurance benefits that no longer exist.


You are misreading it.

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On Thu, 04 Jun 2009 06:42:03 -0400, Wizard of Woodstock
wrote:

"President Obama, in a pivot from some of his harshest campaign
rhetoric, told Democratic senators yesterday that he is willing to
consider taxing employer-sponsored health benefits to help pay for a
broad expansion of coverage."

http://tinyurl.com/kvkndy

Is this a tax aimed at those who don’t need or use government health
insurance? If you’re already getting benefits from your employer,
you’re opting out of ObamaCare, no?

Is this a case of forcing the private insurance by employeers to be
canceled and forcing employees into a national care system?

If that's the case where’s all the revenue from taxing health benefits
coming from?

I’m missing something. The way I read it, private plans will be taxed
to pay for national health care thus, in practice, forcing people to
move to the national system which is being paid for by taxes on
insurance benefits that no longer exist.

Obama now wants to do the same thing he came down on McCain for during
the campaign.

If your employer is contributing towards your health insurance, then
that contribution should (according to Obama and McCain) be taxed as
income.

Of course, the major media, which ate McCain alive (paid for by the
Obama campaign, of course) will make no mention of the fact that Obama
is doing what McCain proposed.
--
John H

"The problem with Socialism is that you eventually run out of other people’s money." --Margaret Thatcher

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On Thu, 04 Jun 2009 06:42:03 -0400, Wizard of Woodstock
wrote:

"President Obama, in a pivot from some of his harshest campaign
rhetoric, told Democratic senators yesterday that he is willing to
consider taxing employer-sponsored health benefits to help pay for a
broad expansion of coverage."

http://tinyurl.com/kvkndy

Is this a tax aimed at those who don’t need or use government health
insurance? If you’re already getting benefits from your employer,
you’re opting out of ObamaCare, no?

Is this a case of forcing the private insurance by employeers to be
canceled and forcing employees into a national care system?

If that's the case where’s all the revenue from taxing health benefits
coming from?

I’m missing something. The way I read it, private plans will be taxed
to pay for national health care thus, in practice, forcing people to
move to the national system which is being paid for by taxes on
insurance benefits that no longer exist.

How much is the tax, Tom?

Do you have a percentage figure upon which you're basing your
assumption that it'll so punitive as to "force" people onto Obamacare?

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jps wrote:
On Thu, 04 Jun 2009 06:42:03 -0400, Wizard of Woodstock
wrote:

"President Obama, in a pivot from some of his harshest campaign
rhetoric, told Democratic senators yesterday that he is willing to
consider taxing employer-sponsored health benefits to help pay for a
broad expansion of coverage."

http://tinyurl.com/kvkndy

Is this a tax aimed at those who don’t need or use government health
insurance? If you’re already getting benefits from your employer,
you’re opting out of ObamaCare, no?

Is this a case of forcing the private insurance by employeers to be
canceled and forcing employees into a national care system?

If that's the case where’s all the revenue from taxing health benefits
coming from?

I’m missing something. The way I read it, private plans will be taxed
to pay for national health care thus, in practice, forcing people to
move to the national system which is being paid for by taxes on
insurance benefits that no longer exist.

How much is the tax, Tom?

Do you have a percentage figure upon which you're basing your
assumption that it'll so punitive as to "force" people onto Obamacare?


Of course he doesn't. His purpose was to troll, not illuminate.

I prefer removing the employee "caps" on all income for social security,
and using the proceeds to help fund social security, medicare and health
insurance.

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On Thu, 04 Jun 2009 12:39:11 -0400, HK wrote:

jps wrote:
On Thu, 04 Jun 2009 06:42:03 -0400, Wizard of Woodstock
wrote:

"President Obama, in a pivot from some of his harshest campaign
rhetoric, told Democratic senators yesterday that he is willing to
consider taxing employer-sponsored health benefits to help pay for a
broad expansion of coverage."

http://tinyurl.com/kvkndy

Is this a tax aimed at those who don’t need or use government health
insurance? If you’re already getting benefits from your employer,
you’re opting out of ObamaCare, no?

Is this a case of forcing the private insurance by employeers to be
canceled and forcing employees into a national care system?

If that's the case where’s all the revenue from taxing health benefits
coming from?

I’m missing something. The way I read it, private plans will be taxed
to pay for national health care thus, in practice, forcing people to
move to the national system which is being paid for by taxes on
insurance benefits that no longer exist.

How much is the tax, Tom?

Do you have a percentage figure upon which you're basing your
assumption that it'll so punitive as to "force" people onto Obamacare?


Of course he doesn't. His purpose was to troll, not illuminate.

I prefer removing the employee "caps" on all income for social security,
and using the proceeds to help fund social security, medicare and health
insurance.

Excellent idea. It'd also help address the disparity between what low
and medium income families pay in percentage-of-income in tax with
their wealthier counterparts.

(Now watch while the "Conservatives" misread and misinterpret my
statement as income taxes.)

Pleas 2 'splain 2 dumm peepole...
 

Of course he doesn't. His purpose was to troll, not illuminate.


Of course you would know, Herr Krause. You make trolling a daily
practice here.

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"HK" wrote in message
m...

I prefer removing the employee "caps" on all income for social security,
and using the proceeds to help fund social security, medicare and health
insurance.

If I recall correctly employers match dollar for dollar the social security
tax paid by employees.
Does your plan also include having the employer match the new, uncapped tax?

Did I really have to ask?

My point is that although your idea has merit, there is a downside. Small
businesses may not be able to absorb even more taxes without having a
negative impact on their business, ability to grow or even maintain their
current employee levels.

Eisboch

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Eisboch wrote:

"HK" wrote in message
m...

I prefer removing the employee "caps" on all income for social
security, and using the proceeds to help fund social security,
medicare and health insurance.

If I recall correctly employers match dollar for dollar the social
security tax paid by employees.
Does your plan also include having the employer match the new, uncapped
tax?

Did I really have to ask?

My point is that although your idea has merit, there is a downside.
Small businesses may not be able to absorb even more taxes without
having a negative impact on their business, ability to grow or even
maintain their current employee levels.

Eisboch


I did say "remove the employee caps," right? That does not mean removing
the employer caps.

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On Jun 4, 5:42*am, Wizard of Woodstock wrote:


"Pleas 2 'splain 2 dumm peepole..."

tom, your typing is gretting abotu as bad as mine.

I feel complamented


?;^ )

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"HK" wrote in message
m...
Eisboch wrote:

"HK" wrote in message
m...

I prefer removing the employee "caps" on all income for social security,
and using the proceeds to help fund social security, medicare and health
insurance.

If I recall correctly employers match dollar for dollar the social
security tax paid by employees.
Does your plan also include having the employer match the new, uncapped
tax?

Did I really have to ask?

My point is that although your idea has merit, there is a downside.
Small businesses may not be able to absorb even more taxes without having
a negative impact on their business, ability to grow or even maintain
their current employee levels.

Eisboch


I did say "remove the employee caps," right? That does not mean removing
the employer caps.

It was a legitimate question. Currently, employers match dollar for dollar
the employee SS tax contribution. If you remove the employee cap, by
default you remove the employer cap.
Can't be too careful with you tax and spend liberals, you know.

Eisboch

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On Fri, 5 Jun 2009 04:55:45 -0400, "Eisboch"
wrote:


It was a legitimate question. Currently, employers match dollar for dollar
the employee SS tax contribution. If you remove the employee cap, by
default you remove the employer cap.
Can't be too careful with you tax and spend liberals, you know.


What's the cap now? Over $100k I think.
Check small business wages.
Here's one source.
http://www.inc.com/news/articles/2008/07/salaries.html
About $32k.
Might affect 1% of small business wage earners - if that.
So the guy making a million will add what 30 small business wage
earners add.
Maybe the boss will say "Hey, have to cut your salary 7% of everything
past $100k so my business doesn't suffer. So now you're only making
$937k."
Think the guy will quit because he's now kicking in only what 28 small
business wage earners are kicking in?
Might be a tremendous insult to him, thinking he is being devalued.
Not sure.

--Vic

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"Vic Smith" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 5 Jun 2009 04:55:45 -0400, "Eisboch"
wrote:


It was a legitimate question. Currently, employers match dollar for
dollar
the employee SS tax contribution. If you remove the employee cap, by
default you remove the employer cap.
Can't be too careful with you tax and spend liberals, you know.


What's the cap now? Over $100k I think.
Check small business wages.
Here's one source.
http://www.inc.com/news/articles/2008/07/salaries.html
About $32k.
Might affect 1% of small business wage earners - if that.
So the guy making a million will add what 30 small business wage
earners add.
Maybe the boss will say "Hey, have to cut your salary 7% of everything
past $100k so my business doesn't suffer. So now you're only making
$937k."
Think the guy will quit because he's now kicking in only what 28 small
business wage earners are kicking in?
Might be a tremendous insult to him, thinking he is being devalued.
Not sure.

--Vic


It depends on the business. There are many small businesses with employees
that have salaries over 100K, particularly in high tech or engineering
fields.

Eisboch

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Eisboch wrote:

"Vic Smith" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 5 Jun 2009 04:55:45 -0400, "Eisboch"
wrote:


It was a legitimate question. Currently, employers match dollar for
dollar
the employee SS tax contribution. If you remove the employee cap, by
default you remove the employer cap.
Can't be too careful with you tax and spend liberals, you know.


What's the cap now? Over $100k I think.
Check small business wages.
Here's one source.
http://www.inc.com/news/articles/2008/07/salaries.html
About $32k.
Might affect 1% of small business wage earners - if that.
So the guy making a million will add what 30 small business wage
earners add.
Maybe the boss will say "Hey, have to cut your salary 7% of everything
past $100k so my business doesn't suffer. So now you're only making
$937k."
Think the guy will quit because he's now kicking in only what 28 small
business wage earners are kicking in?
Might be a tremendous insult to him, thinking he is being devalued.
Not sure.

--Vic


It depends on the business. There are many small businesses with
employees that have salaries over 100K, particularly in high tech or
engineering fields.

What is the effect of a 2.5% increase in SS taxes on a large business?
All of the employees don't get a raise.

Democrats don't understand that once the juice is squeezed out of the
orange it is gone for everyone.

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Vic Smith wrote:
On Fri, 5 Jun 2009 04:55:45 -0400, "Eisboch"
wrote:

It was a legitimate question. Currently, employers match dollar for dollar
the employee SS tax contribution. If you remove the employee cap, by
default you remove the employer cap.
Can't be too careful with you tax and spend liberals, you know.


What's the cap now? Over $100k I think.
Check small business wages.
Here's one source.
http://www.inc.com/news/articles/2008/07/salaries.html
About $32k.
Might affect 1% of small business wage earners - if that.
So the guy making a million will add what 30 small business wage
earners add.
Maybe the boss will say "Hey, have to cut your salary 7% of everything
past $100k so my business doesn't suffer. So now you're only making
$937k."
Think the guy will quit because he's now kicking in only what 28 small
business wage earners are kicking in?
Might be a tremendous insult to him, thinking he is being devalued.
Not sure.

--Vic







Yeah...he'll pick up and move to...Yemen.

Love that b.s. line the Repubs throw out..."tax and spend liberals."
It's more intellectually honest than what conservatives do..."spend, but
don't tax, and let the next generations pay for it." That was the credo
of Reagan and Bush II.

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On Fri, 05 Jun 2009 07:56:58 -0400, HK wrote:



Yeah...he'll pick up and move to...Yemen.

Far as I know the true capitalist will move to one of two most
capitalist countries on earth.
Commie China or Somalia.
Problem with China is high progressive income tax rates and a
stiffer corporate tax rate. Not much regulation or labor law though.
Somalia it is.
Think somebody posted a youtube vid about that already.
Nice beaches.

--Vic

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Vic Smith wrote:
On Fri, 05 Jun 2009 07:56:58 -0400, HK wrote:


Yeah...he'll pick up and move to...Yemen.

Far as I know the true capitalist will move to one of two most
capitalist countries on earth.
Commie China or Somalia.
Problem with China is high progressive income tax rates and a
stiffer corporate tax rate. Not much regulation or labor law though.
Somalia it is.
Think somebody posted a youtube vid about that already.
Nice beaches.

--Vic


And...the chance to play at pirate.

Pleas 2 'splain 2 dumm peepole...
 

HK wrote:
Vic Smith wrote:
On Fri, 05 Jun 2009 07:56:58 -0400, HK wrote:


Yeah...he'll pick up and move to...Yemen.

Far as I know the true capitalist will move to one of two most
capitalist countries on earth.
Commie China or Somalia.
Problem with China is high progressive income tax rates and a
stiffer corporate tax rate. Not much regulation or labor law though.
Somalia it is.
Think somebody posted a youtube vid about that already.
Nice beaches.

--Vic


And...the chance to play at pirate.

Speaking of playing pirate. You should remove that silly pirate graphic
from your boat before someone blows you out of the water.

Pleas 2 'splain 2 dumm peepole...
 

On Jun 5, 8:36*am, jim7 wrote:
HK wrote:
Vic Smith wrote:
On Fri, 05 Jun 2009 07:56:58 -0400, HK wrote:

Yeah...he'll pick up and move to...Yemen.

Far as I know the true capitalist will move to one of two most
capitalist countries on earth.
Commie China or Somalia.
Problem with China is high progressive income tax rates and a
stiffer corporate tax rate. *Not much regulation or labor law though..
Somalia it is.
Think somebody posted a youtube vid about that already.
Nice beaches.

--Vic *

And...the chance to play at pirate.

Speaking of playing pirate. You should remove that silly pirate graphic
from your boat before someone blows you out of the water.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

I always thought that thing looked childish.

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On Jun 5, 7:54*am, wrote:
On Jun 5, 8:36*am, jim7 wrote:



HK wrote:
Vic Smith wrote:
On Fri, 05 Jun 2009 07:56:58 -0400, HK wrote:

Yeah...he'll pick up and move to...Yemen.

Far as I know the true capitalist will move to one of two most
capitalist countries on earth.
Commie China or Somalia.
Problem with China is high progressive income tax rates and a
stiffer corporate tax rate. *Not much regulation or labor law though.
Somalia it is.
Think somebody posted a youtube vid about that already.
Nice beaches.

--Vic *

And...the chance to play at pirate.

Speaking of playing pirate. You should remove that silly pirate graphic
from your boat before someone blows you out of the water.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

I always thought that thing looked childish.

*Looked?*

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wrote in message
...
On Jun 5, 8:36 am, jim7 wrote:
HK wrote:
Vic Smith wrote:
On Fri, 05 Jun 2009 07:56:58 -0400, HK wrote:

Yeah...he'll pick up and move to...Yemen.

Far as I know the true capitalist will move to one of two most
capitalist countries on earth.
Commie China or Somalia.
Problem with China is high progressive income tax rates and a
stiffer corporate tax rate. Not much regulation or labor law though.
Somalia it is.
Think somebody posted a youtube vid about that already.
Nice beaches.

--Vic

And...the chance to play at pirate.

Speaking of playing pirate. You should remove that silly pirate graphic
from your boat before someone blows you out of the water.- Hide quoted
text -

- Show quoted text -

I always thought that thing looked childish.
--------------------------------------------

That ain't no pirate. *This* is a pirate ...
http://www.eisboch.com/pirate

Eisboch

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Eisboch wrote:

wrote in message
...
On Jun 5, 8:36 am, jim7 wrote:
HK wrote:
Vic Smith wrote:
On Fri, 05 Jun 2009 07:56:58 -0400, HK wrote:

Yeah...he'll pick up and move to...Yemen.

Far as I know the true capitalist will move to one of two most
capitalist countries on earth.
Commie China or Somalia.
Problem with China is high progressive income tax rates and a
stiffer corporate tax rate. Not much regulation or labor law though.
Somalia it is.
Think somebody posted a youtube vid about that already.
Nice beaches.

--Vic

And...the chance to play at pirate.

Speaking of playing pirate. You should remove that silly pirate graphic
from your boat before someone blows you out of the water.- Hide quoted
text -

- Show quoted text -

I always thought that thing looked childish.
--------------------------------------------

That ain't no pirate. *This* is a pirate ...
http://www.eisboch.com/pirate

Eisboch


It's always fun when the boatless and brainless, aka floridajim & loogy,
comment on the boats of others.

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On Jun 5, 9:02*am, "Eisboch" wrote:
wrote in message

...
On Jun 5, 8:36 am, jim7 wrote:





HK wrote:
Vic Smith wrote:
On Fri, 05 Jun 2009 07:56:58 -0400, HK wrote:

Yeah...he'll pick up and move to...Yemen.

Far as I know the true capitalist will move to one of two most
capitalist countries on earth.
Commie China or Somalia.
Problem with China is high progressive income tax rates and a
stiffer corporate tax rate. Not much regulation or labor law though.
Somalia it is.
Think somebody posted a youtube vid about that already.
Nice beaches.

--Vic

And...the chance to play at pirate.

Speaking of playing pirate. You should remove that silly pirate graphic
from your boat before someone blows you out of the water.- Hide quoted
text -

- Show quoted text -

I always thought that thing looked childish.
--------------------------------------------

That ain't no pirate. * *This* is a pirate ...http://www.eisboch.com/pirate

Eisboch- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Damned straight! Is that thing still terrorizing your dogs?

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"HK" wrote in message
m...
Eisboch wrote:

wrote in message
...
On Jun 5, 8:36 am, jim7 wrote:
HK wrote:
Vic Smith wrote:
On Fri, 05 Jun 2009 07:56:58 -0400, HK
wrote:

Yeah...he'll pick up and move to...Yemen.

Far as I know the true capitalist will move to one of two most
capitalist countries on earth.
Commie China or Somalia.
Problem with China is high progressive income tax rates and a
stiffer corporate tax rate. Not much regulation or labor law though.
Somalia it is.
Think somebody posted a youtube vid about that already.
Nice beaches.

--Vic

And...the chance to play at pirate.

Speaking of playing pirate. You should remove that silly pirate graphic
from your boat before someone blows you out of the water.- Hide quoted
text -

- Show quoted text -

I always thought that thing looked childish.
--------------------------------------------

That ain't no pirate. *This* is a pirate ...
http://www.eisboch.com/pirate

Eisboch


It's always fun when the boatless and brainless, aka floridajim & loogy,
comment on the boats of others.

And of course the endless comments on other people's cars, houses, jobs,
wives, hobbies, kids, politics, religion, food, beer, guns, sneakers, sexual
orientation, and personal hygiene habits by you and a couple of others.....

Eisboch

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On Jun 5, 9:05*am, HK wrote:
Eisboch wrote:

wrote in message
...
On Jun 5, 8:36 am, jim7 wrote:
HK wrote:
Vic Smith wrote:
On Fri, 05 Jun 2009 07:56:58 -0400, HK wrote:

Yeah...he'll pick up and move to...Yemen.

Far as I know the true capitalist will move to one of two most
capitalist countries on earth.
Commie China or Somalia.
Problem with China is high progressive income tax rates and a
stiffer corporate tax rate. Not much regulation or labor law though..
Somalia it is.
Think somebody posted a youtube vid about that already.
Nice beaches.

--Vic

And...the chance to play at pirate.

Speaking of playing pirate. You should remove that silly pirate graphic
from your boat before someone blows you out of the water.- Hide quoted
text -

- Show quoted text -

I always thought that thing looked childish.
--------------------------------------------

That ain't no pirate. * *This* is a pirate ...
http://www.eisboch.com/pirate

Eisboch

It's always fun when the boatless and brainless, aka floridajim & loogy,
comment on the boats of others.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

What makes you think I'm boatless and brainless? Oh, I know, because I
won't believe your lies or put up with your vulgar childish bull****.

Pleas 2 'splain 2 dumm peepole...
 

HK wrote:
Eisboch wrote:

wrote in message
...
On Jun 5, 8:36 am, jim7 wrote:
HK wrote:
Vic Smith wrote:
On Fri, 05 Jun 2009 07:56:58 -0400, HK
wrote:

Yeah...he'll pick up and move to...Yemen.

Far as I know the true capitalist will move to one of two most
capitalist countries on earth.
Commie China or Somalia.
Problem with China is high progressive income tax rates and a
stiffer corporate tax rate. Not much regulation or labor law though.
Somalia it is.
Think somebody posted a youtube vid about that already.
Nice beaches.

--Vic

And...the chance to play at pirate.

Speaking of playing pirate. You should remove that silly pirate graphic
from your boat before someone blows you out of the water.- Hide
quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

I always thought that thing looked childish.
--------------------------------------------

That ain't no pirate. *This* is a pirate ...
http://www.eisboch.com/pirate

Eisboch


It's always fun when the boatless and brainless, aka floridajim & loogy,
comment on the boats of others.

I sure am glad you are enjoying yourself. I find it gratifying when I
can bring some sunshine into some poor soul's life.

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Eisboch wrote:

"HK" wrote in message
m...
Eisboch wrote:

wrote in message
...
On Jun 5, 8:36 am, jim7 wrote:
HK wrote:
Vic Smith wrote:
On Fri, 05 Jun 2009 07:56:58 -0400, HK
wrote:

Yeah...he'll pick up and move to...Yemen.

Far as I know the true capitalist will move to one of two most
capitalist countries on earth.
Commie China or Somalia.
Problem with China is high progressive income tax rates and a
stiffer corporate tax rate. Not much regulation or labor law though.
Somalia it is.
Think somebody posted a youtube vid about that already.
Nice beaches.

--Vic

And...the chance to play at pirate.

Speaking of playing pirate. You should remove that silly pirate graphic
from your boat before someone blows you out of the water.- Hide
quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

I always thought that thing looked childish.
--------------------------------------------

That ain't no pirate. *This* is a pirate ...
http://www.eisboch.com/pirate

Eisboch


It's always fun when the boatless and brainless, aka floridajim &
loogy, comment on the boats of others.

And of course the endless comments on other people's cars, houses, jobs,
wives, hobbies, kids, politics, religion, food, beer, guns, sneakers,
sexual orientation, and personal hygiene habits by you and a couple of
others.....

Eisboch


"...a couple of others..."

You could include almost everyone who posts here in that group.

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wrote in message
...

That ain't no pirate. *This* is a pirate ...http://www.eisboch.com/pirate

Eisboch- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Damned straight! Is that thing still terrorizing your dogs?

-----------------------

They are used to him now. They **** on his peg leg.

Eisboch

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HK wrote:
Eisboch wrote:

"HK" wrote in message
m...
Eisboch wrote:

wrote in message
...

On Jun 5, 8:36 am, jim7 wrote:
HK wrote:
Vic Smith wrote:
On Fri, 05 Jun 2009 07:56:58 -0400, HK
wrote:

Yeah...he'll pick up and move to...Yemen.

Far as I know the true capitalist will move to one of two most
capitalist countries on earth.
Commie China or Somalia.
Problem with China is high progressive income tax rates and a
stiffer corporate tax rate. Not much regulation or labor law
though.
Somalia it is.
Think somebody posted a youtube vid about that already.
Nice beaches.

--Vic

And...the chance to play at pirate.

Speaking of playing pirate. You should remove that silly pirate
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I always thought that thing looked childish.
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http://www.eisboch.com/pirate

Eisboch


It's always fun when the boatless and brainless, aka floridajim &
loogy, comment on the boats of others.

And of course the endless comments on other people's cars, houses,
jobs, wives, hobbies, kids, politics, religion, food, beer, guns,
sneakers, sexual orientation, and personal hygiene habits by you and a
couple of others.....

Eisboch


"...a couple of others..."

You could include almost everyone who posts here in that group.

You bet you can. Krause has insulted pretty near everyone that posts here.

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HK wrote:
Eisboch wrote:

"HK" wrote in message
m...
Eisboch wrote:

wrote in message
...

On Jun 5, 8:36 am, jim7 wrote:
HK wrote:
Vic Smith wrote:
On Fri, 05 Jun 2009 07:56:58 -0400, HK
wrote:

Yeah...he'll pick up and move to...Yemen.

Far as I know the true capitalist will move to one of two most
capitalist countries on earth.
Commie China or Somalia.
Problem with China is high progressive income tax rates and a
stiffer corporate tax rate. Not much regulation or labor law
though.
Somalia it is.
Think somebody posted a youtube vid about that already.
Nice beaches.

--Vic

And...the chance to play at pirate.

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graphic
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I always thought that thing looked childish.
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http://www.eisboch.com/pirate

Eisboch


It's always fun when the boatless and brainless, aka floridajim &
loogy, comment on the boats of others.

And of course the endless comments on other people's cars, houses,
jobs, wives, hobbies, kids, politics, religion, food, beer, guns,
sneakers, sexual orientation, and personal hygiene habits by you and a
couple of others.....

Eisboch


"...a couple of others..."

You could include almost everyone who posts here in that group.

This is one time that I do have to agree with you, you have insulted
nearly everyone who posts in this group.

--
Reginald P. Smithers III, Esq.

This Newsgroup post is a natural product. The slight variations in
spelling and grammar enhance its individual character and beauty and in
no way are to be considered flaws or defects

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On Jun 5, 9:13*am, "Eisboch" wrote:
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Damned straight! Is that thing still terrorizing your dogs?

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They are used to him now. *They **** on his peg leg.

Eisboch

That's funny!

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On Fri, 05 Jun 2009 07:50:31 -0400, BAR wrote:

Eisboch wrote:

"Vic Smith" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 5 Jun 2009 04:55:45 -0400, "Eisboch"
wrote:


It was a legitimate question. Currently, employers match dollar for
dollar
the employee SS tax contribution. If you remove the employee cap, by
default you remove the employer cap.
Can't be too careful with you tax and spend liberals, you know.


What's the cap now? Over $100k I think.
Check small business wages.
Here's one source.
http://www.inc.com/news/articles/2008/07/salaries.html
About $32k.
Might affect 1% of small business wage earners - if that.
So the guy making a million will add what 30 small business wage
earners add.
Maybe the boss will say "Hey, have to cut your salary 7% of everything
past $100k so my business doesn't suffer. So now you're only making
$937k."
Think the guy will quit because he's now kicking in only what 28 small
business wage earners are kicking in?
Might be a tremendous insult to him, thinking he is being devalued.
Not sure.

--Vic


It depends on the business. There are many small businesses with
employees that have salaries over 100K, particularly in high tech or
engineering fields.

What is the effect of a 2.5% increase in SS taxes on a large business?
All of the employees don't get a raise.

Democrats don't understand that once the juice is squeezed out of the
orange it is gone for everyone.

It depends on the business, and the wages paid.
This week at my wife's work they cut everybody back to 4 days.
Large national business and low wages. Food service.
Average wage is less than $20k.
Health care deductions are $5k. Close to 25% of gross.
Now, with a day cut off, health care is closer to 33% of gross.
They wouldn't mind a 2.5% increase in SS taxes if it brought
down their health care cost.
Care even less about caps taken off the +$100k crowd.
Wouldn't give a **** about any "no raise" threat either.
Most hardly ever get a raise anyway. They are maxed at @$10 an hour.
There are plenty more workers just getting by than those making
+$100k. Get them politically active and they *will* redistribute some
of the wealth.
That's happening now. Unstoppable.
Clinton and Bush have virtually destroyed the country, making us
essentially vassals of the Chinese.
BTW, my kid's girlfriend just got a $5K pay cut. Not sure if her
company qualifies as large or small. That's maybe a 10% pay cut.
I heard yesterday in a Senate hearing the real unemployment rate is
16% and change, including discouraged/underutilized.
I fully expect it to get much worse.
I would guess that most employees today whining about not getting a
raise are told to pound sand.
Almost went back to my old job just last November at +$100k.
I was getting bored and figured I'd pad my nest a little.
It was on the launch pad Then killed a week after it was hot.
Bad timing. Can't say I'm disappointed though.
Since then lots of layoffs. Bad atmosphere.
They were dead and didn't even know it.
Pretty much like the Reps.
I was a bit surprised they were actually serious in wanting me back
given where I saw the economy going.
But many people in their own little +$100k worlds have no idea of the
wider realities.
Especially that they are very small voting block.
Real noisy though.
When/if SS caps are raised, or SS taxes are increased, or a national
health care plan is installed, the "little guys" will vote for the
pols who get it done. Save SS. Make health care affordable.
Obama is the new FDR to them.
Even to the old folk Reps when the Reps try to "take their SS away."
Only chance the Reps have is to become the tariff party, or the
"Reindustrialize America" party. Fat chance.
Anything else they say will just be laughed at.
Dems are still weak there, globalists that they are.
But Obama may steal that thunder too.
The writing is on the wall.
And it says "It's the economy, stupid."

--Vic

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Vic Smith wrote:
On Fri, 05 Jun 2009 07:50:31 -0400, BAR wrote:

Eisboch wrote:
"Vic Smith" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 5 Jun 2009 04:55:45 -0400, "Eisboch"
wrote:

It was a legitimate question. Currently, employers match dollar for
dollar
the employee SS tax contribution. If you remove the employee cap, by
default you remove the employer cap.
Can't be too careful with you tax and spend liberals, you know.

What's the cap now? Over $100k I think.
Check small business wages.
Here's one source.
http://www.inc.com/news/articles/2008/07/salaries.html
About $32k.
Might affect 1% of small business wage earners - if that.
So the guy making a million will add what 30 small business wage
earners add.
Maybe the boss will say "Hey, have to cut your salary 7% of everything
past $100k so my business doesn't suffer. So now you're only making
$937k."
Think the guy will quit because he's now kicking in only what 28 small
business wage earners are kicking in?
Might be a tremendous insult to him, thinking he is being devalued.
Not sure.

--Vic

It depends on the business. There are many small businesses with
employees that have salaries over 100K, particularly in high tech or
engineering fields.
What is the effect of a 2.5% increase in SS taxes on a large business?
All of the employees don't get a raise.

Democrats don't understand that once the juice is squeezed out of the
orange it is gone for everyone.

It depends on the business, and the wages paid.
This week at my wife's work they cut everybody back to 4 days.
Large national business and low wages. Food service.
Average wage is less than $20k.
Health care deductions are $5k. Close to 25% of gross.
Now, with a day cut off, health care is closer to 33% of gross.
They wouldn't mind a 2.5% increase in SS taxes if it brought
down their health care cost.
Care even less about caps taken off the +$100k crowd.
Wouldn't give a **** about any "no raise" threat either.
Most hardly ever get a raise anyway. They are maxed at @$10 an hour.
There are plenty more workers just getting by than those making
+$100k. Get them politically active and they *will* redistribute some
of the wealth.
That's happening now. Unstoppable.
Clinton and Bush have virtually destroyed the country, making us
essentially vassals of the Chinese.
BTW, my kid's girlfriend just got a $5K pay cut. Not sure if her
company qualifies as large or small. That's maybe a 10% pay cut.
I heard yesterday in a Senate hearing the real unemployment rate is
16% and change, including discouraged/underutilized.
I fully expect it to get much worse.
I would guess that most employees today whining about not getting a
raise are told to pound sand.
Almost went back to my old job just last November at +$100k.
I was getting bored and figured I'd pad my nest a little.
It was on the launch pad Then killed a week after it was hot.
Bad timing. Can't say I'm disappointed though.
Since then lots of layoffs. Bad atmosphere.
They were dead and didn't even know it.
Pretty much like the Reps.
I was a bit surprised they were actually serious in wanting me back
given where I saw the economy going.
But many people in their own little +$100k worlds have no idea of the
wider realities.
Especially that they are very small voting block.
Real noisy though.
When/if SS caps are raised, or SS taxes are increased, or a national
health care plan is installed, the "little guys" will vote for the
pols who get it done. Save SS. Make health care affordable.
Obama is the new FDR to them.
Even to the old folk Reps when the Reps try to "take their SS away."
Only chance the Reps have is to become the tariff party, or the
"Reindustrialize America" party. Fat chance.
Anything else they say will just be laughed at.
Dems are still weak there, globalists that they are.
But Obama may steal that thunder too.
The writing is on the wall.
And it says "It's the economy, stupid."

--Vic


Remove the cap on the income on which employees pay social security and
medicare taxes, and use some of the proceeds to fund access to health
care. Then make sure *all* income is taxed.

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On Sat, 06 Jun 2009 16:48:57 -0500, Vic Smith
wrote:

On Fri, 05 Jun 2009 07:50:31 -0400, BAR wrote:

Eisboch wrote:

"Vic Smith" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 5 Jun 2009 04:55:45 -0400, "Eisboch"
wrote:


It was a legitimate question. Currently, employers match dollar for
dollar
the employee SS tax contribution. If you remove the employee cap, by
default you remove the employer cap.
Can't be too careful with you tax and spend liberals, you know.


What's the cap now? Over $100k I think.
Check small business wages.
Here's one source.
http://www.inc.com/news/articles/2008/07/salaries.html
About $32k.
Might affect 1% of small business wage earners - if that.
So the guy making a million will add what 30 small business wage
earners add.
Maybe the boss will say "Hey, have to cut your salary 7% of everything
past $100k so my business doesn't suffer. So now you're only making
$937k."
Think the guy will quit because he's now kicking in only what 28 small
business wage earners are kicking in?
Might be a tremendous insult to him, thinking he is being devalued.
Not sure.

--Vic


It depends on the business. There are many small businesses with
employees that have salaries over 100K, particularly in high tech or
engineering fields.

What is the effect of a 2.5% increase in SS taxes on a large business?
All of the employees don't get a raise.

Democrats don't understand that once the juice is squeezed out of the
orange it is gone for everyone.

It depends on the business, and the wages paid.
This week at my wife's work they cut everybody back to 4 days.
Large national business and low wages. Food service.
Average wage is less than $20k.
Health care deductions are $5k. Close to 25% of gross.
Now, with a day cut off, health care is closer to 33% of gross.
They wouldn't mind a 2.5% increase in SS taxes if it brought
down their health care cost.
Care even less about caps taken off the +$100k crowd.
Wouldn't give a **** about any "no raise" threat either.
Most hardly ever get a raise anyway. They are maxed at @$10 an hour.
There are plenty more workers just getting by than those making
+$100k. Get them politically active and they *will* redistribute some
of the wealth.
That's happening now. Unstoppable.
Clinton and Bush have virtually destroyed the country, making us
essentially vassals of the Chinese.
BTW, my kid's girlfriend just got a $5K pay cut. Not sure if her
company qualifies as large or small. That's maybe a 10% pay cut.
I heard yesterday in a Senate hearing the real unemployment rate is
16% and change, including discouraged/underutilized.
I fully expect it to get much worse.
I would guess that most employees today whining about not getting a
raise are told to pound sand.
Almost went back to my old job just last November at +$100k.
I was getting bored and figured I'd pad my nest a little.
It was on the launch pad Then killed a week after it was hot.
Bad timing. Can't say I'm disappointed though.
Since then lots of layoffs. Bad atmosphere.
They were dead and didn't even know it.
Pretty much like the Reps.
I was a bit surprised they were actually serious in wanting me back
given where I saw the economy going.
But many people in their own little +$100k worlds have no idea of the
wider realities.
Especially that they are very small voting block.
Real noisy though.
When/if SS caps are raised, or SS taxes are increased, or a national
health care plan is installed, the "little guys" will vote for the
pols who get it done. Save SS. Make health care affordable.
Obama is the new FDR to them.
Even to the old folk Reps when the Reps try to "take their SS away."
Only chance the Reps have is to become the tariff party, or the
"Reindustrialize America" party. Fat chance.
Anything else they say will just be laughed at.
Dems are still weak there, globalists that they are.
But Obama may steal that thunder too.
The writing is on the wall.
And it says "It's the economy, stupid."

--Vic

Not to fear, Vic, Obama will fix what the Democrats broke.

No sweat. Sing praises to Barney.
--
John H

"I'd rather be a Conservative nut job than a Liberal with no nuts and no job!

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On Sat, 06 Jun 2009 17:55:15 -0400, John H
wrote:



Not to fear, Vic, Obama will fix what the Democrats broke.

No sweat. Sing praises to Barney.

Don't know if you saw the ping to you a bit back.
SIL is in OCS at Ft. Benning, then off to chopper school at
Ft. Rucker.
I might go down for the OCS graduation Aug 6th.
Daughter told me he pulled in +$93k last year.
E-5.
Iraq pay and Hawaii housing COLA bumped it up to that.
Army. Make it a career!

--Vic

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On Sat, 06 Jun 2009 17:19:54 -0500, Vic Smith
wrote:

On Sat, 06 Jun 2009 17:55:15 -0400, John H
wrote:



Not to fear, Vic, Obama will fix what the Democrats broke.

No sweat. Sing praises to Barney.

Don't know if you saw the ping to you a bit back.
SIL is in OCS at Ft. Benning, then off to chopper school at
Ft. Rucker.
I might go down for the OCS graduation Aug 6th.
Daughter told me he pulled in +$93k last year.
E-5.
Iraq pay and Hawaii housing COLA bumped it up to that.
Army. Make it a career!

--Vic


No, I didn't hear that news. That is great! OCS won't be easy, but
it'll be worth it. I tried to get to chopper school, but the docs
found 'premature ventricular contractions' during the EKG and
wouldn't let me go. The PVCs never caused a problem, and don't exist
any more, but they kept me out of flight school.

I wish him the best of luck.
--
John H

"I'd rather be a Conservative nut job than a Liberal with no nuts and no job!

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"John H" wrote in message
...
On Sat, 06 Jun 2009 17:19:54 -0500, Vic Smith
wrote:

On Sat, 06 Jun 2009 17:55:15 -0400, John H
wrote:



Not to fear, Vic, Obama will fix what the Democrats broke.

No sweat. Sing praises to Barney.

Don't know if you saw the ping to you a bit back.
SIL is in OCS at Ft. Benning, then off to chopper school at
Ft. Rucker.
I might go down for the OCS graduation Aug 6th.
Daughter told me he pulled in +$93k last year.
E-5.
Iraq pay and Hawaii housing COLA bumped it up to that.
Army. Make it a career!

--Vic


No, I didn't hear that news. That is great! OCS won't be easy, but
it'll be worth it. I tried to get to chopper school, but the docs
found 'premature ventricular contractions' during the EKG and
wouldn't let me go. The PVCs never caused a problem, and don't exist
any more, but they kept me out of flight school.

I wish him the best of luck.
--
John H


Say what! You flyng a chopper?
Talk about an accident waiting to happen...thank God the Army had sense
enough to turf you.

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Don White wrote:
"John H" wrote in message
...
On Sat, 06 Jun 2009 17:19:54 -0500, Vic Smith
wrote:

On Sat, 06 Jun 2009 17:55:15 -0400, John H
wrote:


Not to fear, Vic, Obama will fix what the Democrats broke.

No sweat. Sing praises to Barney.
Don't know if you saw the ping to you a bit back.
SIL is in OCS at Ft. Benning, then off to chopper school at
Ft. Rucker.
I might go down for the OCS graduation Aug 6th.
Daughter told me he pulled in +$93k last year.
E-5.
Iraq pay and Hawaii housing COLA bumped it up to that.
Army. Make it a career!

--Vic

No, I didn't hear that news. That is great! OCS won't be easy, but
it'll be worth it. I tried to get to chopper school, but the docs
found 'premature ventricular contractions' during the EKG and
wouldn't let me go. The PVCs never caused a problem, and don't exist
any more, but they kept me out of flight school.

I wish him the best of luck.
--
John H


Say what! You flyng a chopper?
Talk about an accident waiting to happen...thank God the Army had sense
enough to turf you.



Obviously, you aren't aware that herring and floridajim were in charge
of demoralizing our military forces in vietnam. After that, herring went
on to not teach math and cast asperions at blacks and latinos, and
floridajim transferred his swabbie skills to a marina, where he was put
in charge of the pump-out station.

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"Don White" wrote in message
...

"John H" wrote in message
...
On Sat, 06 Jun 2009 17:19:54 -0500, Vic Smith
wrote:

On Sat, 06 Jun 2009 17:55:15 -0400, John H
wrote:



Not to fear, Vic, Obama will fix what the Democrats broke.

No sweat. Sing praises to Barney.

Don't know if you saw the ping to you a bit back.
SIL is in OCS at Ft. Benning, then off to chopper school at
Ft. Rucker.
I might go down for the OCS graduation Aug 6th.
Daughter told me he pulled in +$93k last year.
E-5.
Iraq pay and Hawaii housing COLA bumped it up to that.
Army. Make it a career!

--Vic


No, I didn't hear that news. That is great! OCS won't be easy, but
it'll be worth it. I tried to get to chopper school, but the docs
found 'premature ventricular contractions' during the EKG and
wouldn't let me go. The PVCs never caused a problem, and don't exist
any more, but they kept me out of flight school.

I wish him the best of luck.
--
John H


Say what! You *flyng* a chopper?
Talk about an accident waiting to happen...thank God the Army had sense
enough to turf you.

....of course I meant *flying*..

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On Jun 5, 8:11*am, "Eisboch" wrote:
"HK" wrote in message

m...



Eisboch wrote:

wrote in message
....
On Jun 5, 8:36 am, jim7 wrote:
HK wrote:
Vic Smith wrote:
On Fri, 05 Jun 2009 07:56:58 -0400, HK
wrote:

Yeah...he'll pick up and move to...Yemen.

Far as I know the true capitalist will move to one of two most
capitalist countries on earth.
Commie China or Somalia.
Problem with China is high progressive income tax rates and a
stiffer corporate tax rate. Not much regulation or labor law though.
Somalia it is.
Think somebody posted a youtube vid about that already.
Nice beaches.

--Vic

And...the chance to play at pirate.

Speaking of playing pirate. You should remove that silly pirate graphic
from your boat before someone blows you out of the water.- Hide quoted
text -

- Show quoted text -

I always thought that thing looked childish.
--------------------------------------------

That ain't no pirate. * *This* is a pirate ...
http://www.eisboch.com/pirate

Eisboch

It's always fun when the boatless and brainless, aka floridajim & loogy,
comment on the boats of others.

And of course the endless comments on other people's cars, houses, jobs,
wives, hobbies, kids, politics, religion, food, beer, guns, sneakers, sexual
orientation, and personal hygiene habits by you and a couple of others......

Eisboch

Sir Richard, you left out musical instruments and musical tastes. Such
as bagpipes and guitars.