On Wed, 3 Jun 2009 06:28:53 -0700 (PDT), wrote:

Then GM tried with
the Vega,

There were five thousand with four valves per cylinder, DOHC. Only
Lotus and Jensen-Healy offered that. My brother had a Jensen.. Called
it the road oiler. Bought it in 72 and it rusted while he spent years
on a flattop. Then he got home, we stripped it down to the frame, more
or less, and chased the rust. He has probably put an thousand miles on
it since.

Casady

HK wrote:
Richard Casady wrote:
On Wed, 03 Jun 2009 17:45:16 -0400, John H
wrote:

Utter bull****. In most cases handguns are never used in anger. 99% of
them. Your 'most cases' falls in the 1 %. A guy once pulled a knife on
me and demanded money. I pulled a .45 and told him to run. He did.
Had he tried to ' use it against me' I would have shot him several
times. Back in the bin.

Casady
You're much better off listening to Krause. He never bull****s. He
went to Yale, you know.

Reggie may have been talking about h

My use resulted in no shots fired, so it wasn't even reported, Nothing
in the statistics. There are estimates that guns are used to chase off
trouble more than a million times a year, without anyone bothering to
report it. Many successful crimes are also unreported, so it is hard
to get at the truth, even without an ax to grind.

Casady


It pays to have a full-sized, steel handgun, so if you don't have to
shoot the felon wannabe, you can always smack him over the head. My Sig
P226 X5 weighs about 48 ounces sans ammo, and would work well as a
blackjack. Not very concealable, though.


That's about three pounds. You probably need two hands to pick it up.
And I doubt you'd be brave enough, to get within arms length of a
threat, to smack him with your pistola.

Richard Casady wrote:
On Wed, 3 Jun 2009 06:28:53 -0700 (PDT), wrote:

Then GM tried with
the Vega,

There were five thousand with four valves per cylinder, DOHC. Only
Lotus and Jensen-Healy offered that. My brother had a Jensen.. Called
it the road oiler. Bought it in 72 and it rusted while he spent years
on a flattop. Then he got home, we stripped it down to the frame, more
or less, and chased the rust. He has probably put an thousand miles on
it since.

Casady


Ahhhh...British sports cars.

My introduction to them came in junior high. One of my buds was one of
three sons of a fairly wealthy lawyer. His two older brothers were given
Austin-Healeys for their 16th birthdays, and we got to wash them and sit
in them and drive them around the circular driveway when we were about
13. When my friend turned 16, his dad bought him a new Jag XK150. I fell
in love with that car. We even took it up to Lime Rock once and ran the
track on a non race day. Great fun.

After I finished my junior year in college, I got a summer job at a
newspaper and used my practically non-existent salary to buy a pretty
MG-A. I loved that car, but it was completely unreliable in every aspect
possible.

But I loved driving it when it would start! Then I bought a new
TR4-IRS, and that became my favorite sports car. It wasn't as pretty as
the MG, but it was rock solid reliable. It was followed by a Lotus
Cortina, which was an English Ford with an engine "worked on" by Lotus.
Well, that should have done it for me, because it, too, was a P.O.S.

While in Florida, I bought an unrestored, original and near-perfect Jag
XK150-S with, incredibly, just under 9,000 original miles. I drove it a
little on dry, windless days, but mostly it lived in a good solid
garage, under a soft bedsheet. It stayed in Florida when we moved to
Maryland. A friend took care of the car for me in between my visits.
Sold the car last year with 11,000 miles on it. The new owner had to
supply his own battery. I really liked the car, and still think the
XK150 and the original XKE's that followed were the high point of
British sports car design. I never like the Lotuses much.

There's a firm in England remanufacturing XKE's, and from what I have
read they do a fabulous job. They have original, cleaned up E-types, but
what really interests me are the fully modernized, remanufactured XKE's.

Oh...the buddy...he cracked up the XK150 and the next week, his dad
bought him a new "E" type.

Richard Casady wrote:
On Wed, 03 Jun 2009 17:45:16 -0400, John H
wrote:

Utter bull****. In most cases handguns are never used in anger. 99% of
them. Your 'most cases' falls in the 1 %. A guy once pulled a knife on
me and demanded money. I pulled a .45 and told him to run. He did.
Had he tried to ' use it against me' I would have shot him several
times. Back in the bin.

Casady
You're much better off listening to Krause. He never bull****s. He
went to Yale, you know.

Reggie may have been talking about h

My use resulted in no shots fired, so it wasn't even reported, Nothing
in the statistics. There are estimates that guns are used to chase off
trouble more than a million times a year, without anyone bothering to
report it. Many successful crimes are also unreported, so it is hard
to get at the truth, even without an ax to grind.

Casady

Well you are probably correct that it is very difficult to get reliable
gun statistics, but according to the CDC and bureau of Justice
Statistics: "Suicides typically make up 56.5% of all gun deaths
according to the Bureau Of Justice Statistics. In fact, drugs and
suicides account for more than 2 out of every 3 gun deaths in the USA. "

According to the CDC for the 6 yr period from 1/1/2000 to 12/31/2006
there were 209,773 deaths by handguns.

As I said, I have no problems if the laws remain the same or if they
change, but I have never felt that I needed a handgun for protection..
I go downtown without any fear, including some of the cities with high
crime rates, Atlanta, Washington DC, Miami, NYC, and have never been
threatened. I personally think it is because I don't look like an easy
target, others might say it is because I look like the kind of person
who would go postal if threated. But, based upon the way I use my cell
phone (it normally stays in my car) , if and when I needed a handgun, it
would not be close by.

From the estimates I have read, the estimates that guns are used to
prevent crime are between 400,000 and 2.5 million. The problem is all
of these statistics are very dubious, because of what one defines as
crime prevention. Does it include when someone pulls out a gun due to
road rage? I really can't figure out what I am doing to have lived all
of my life, and never had anyone try to rob me or threaten my life, but
if I could figure it out, I need to bottle it and sell it.

--
Reginald P. Smithers III, Esq.

This Newsgroup post is a natural product. The slight variations in
spelling and grammar enhance its individual character and beauty and in
no way are to be considered flaws or defects

HK wrote:
Richard Casady wrote:
On Wed, 3 Jun 2009 06:28:53 -0700 (PDT), wrote:

Then GM tried with
the Vega,

There were five thousand with four valves per cylinder, DOHC. Only
Lotus and Jensen-Healy offered that. My brother had a Jensen.. Called
it the road oiler. Bought it in 72 and it rusted while he spent years
on a flattop. Then he got home, we stripped it down to the frame, more
or less, and chased the rust. He has probably put an thousand miles on
it since.
Casady


Ahhhh...British sports cars.

My introduction to them came in junior high. One of my buds was one of
three sons of a fairly wealthy lawyer. His two older brothers were given
Austin-Healeys for their 16th birthdays, and we got to wash them and sit
in them and drive them around the circular driveway when we were about
13. When my friend turned 16, his dad bought him a new Jag XK150. I fell
in love with that car. We even took it up to Lime Rock once and ran the
track on a non race day. Great fun.

After I finished my junior year in college, I got a summer job at a
newspaper and used my practically non-existent salary to buy a pretty
MG-A. I loved that car, but it was completely unreliable in every aspect
possible.

But I loved driving it when it would start! Then I bought a new
TR4-IRS, and that became my favorite sports car. It wasn't as pretty as
the MG, but it was rock solid reliable. It was followed by a Lotus
Cortina, which was an English Ford with an engine "worked on" by Lotus.
Well, that should have done it for me, because it, too, was a P.O.S.

While in Florida, I bought an unrestored, original and near-perfect Jag
XK150-S with, incredibly, just under 9,000 original miles. I drove it a
little on dry, windless days, but mostly it lived in a good solid
garage, under a soft bedsheet. It stayed in Florida when we moved to
Maryland. A friend took care of the car for me in between my visits.
Sold the car last year with 11,000 miles on it. The new owner had to
supply his own battery. I really liked the car, and still think the
XK150 and the original XKE's that followed were the high point of
British sports car design. I never like the Lotuses much.

There's a firm in England remanufacturing XKE's, and from what I have
read they do a fabulous job. They have original, cleaned up E-types, but
what really interests me are the fully modernized, remanufactured XKE's.

Oh...the buddy...he cracked up the XK150 and the next week, his dad
bought him a new "E" type.

You sure are a glutton for punishment. You would think you would have
learned something after purchasing your first British motorcar
Who said slow learners couldn't graduate from a third rate Kansas
school. Probably the bottom of your class but who cares. You made it.
Congratulations.

On Jun 5, 9:31*am, HK wrote:
Richard Casady wrote:
On Wed, 3 Jun 2009 06:28:53 -0700 (PDT), wrote:

Then GM tried with
the Vega,

There were five thousand with four valves per cylinder, DOHC. Only
Lotus and Jensen-Healy offered that. My brother had a Jensen.. Called
it the road oiler. Bought it in 72 and it rusted while he spent years
on a flattop. Then he got home, we stripped it down to the frame, more
or less, and chased the rust. He has probably put an thousand miles on
it since.

Casady

Ahhhh...British sports cars.

My introduction to them came in junior high. One of my buds was one of
three sons of a fairly wealthy lawyer. His two older brothers were given
Austin-Healeys for their 16th birthdays, and we got to wash them and sit
in them and drive them around the circular driveway when we were about
13. When my friend turned 16, his dad bought him a new Jag XK150. I fell
in love with that car. We even took it up to Lime Rock once and ran the
track on a non race day. Great fun.

After I finished my junior year in college, I got a summer job at a
newspaper and used my practically non-existent salary to buy a pretty
MG-A. I loved that car, but it was completely unreliable in every aspect
possible.

But I loved driving it when it would start! *Then I bought a new
TR4-IRS, and that became my favorite sports car. It wasn't as pretty as
the MG, but it was rock solid reliable. It was followed by a Lotus
Cortina, which was an English Ford with an engine "worked on" by Lotus.
Well, that should have done it for me, because it, too, was a P.O.S.

While in Florida, I bought an unrestored, original and near-perfect Jag
XK150-S with, incredibly, just under 9,000 original miles. I drove it a
little on dry, windless days, but mostly it lived in a good solid
garage, under a soft bedsheet. *It stayed in Florida when we moved to
Maryland. A friend took care of the car for me in between my visits.
Sold the car last year with 11,000 miles on it. The new owner had to
supply his own battery. I really liked the car, and still think the
XK150 and the original XKE's that followed were the high point of
British sports car design. I never like the Lotuses much.

There's a firm in England remanufacturing XKE's, and from what I have
read they do a fabulous job. They have original, cleaned up E-types, but
what really interests me are the fully modernized, remanufactured XKE's.

Oh...the buddy...he cracked up the XK150 and the next week, his dad
bought him a new "E" type.

Ah......WAFA bull**** at it's finest.

On Fri, 05 Jun 2009 09:35:27 -0400, "Reginald P. Smithers III, Esq."
wrote:

Richard Casady wrote:
On Wed, 03 Jun 2009 17:45:16 -0400, John H
wrote:

Utter bull****. In most cases handguns are never used in anger. 99% of
them. Your 'most cases' falls in the 1 %. A guy once pulled a knife on
me and demanded money. I pulled a .45 and told him to run. He did.
Had he tried to ' use it against me' I would have shot him several
times. Back in the bin.

Casady
You're much better off listening to Krause. He never bull****s. He
went to Yale, you know.

Reggie may have been talking about h

My use resulted in no shots fired, so it wasn't even reported, Nothing
in the statistics. There are estimates that guns are used to chase off
trouble more than a million times a year, without anyone bothering to
report it. Many successful crimes are also unreported, so it is hard
to get at the truth, even without an ax to grind.

Casady

Well you are probably correct that it is very difficult to get reliable
gun statistics, but according to the CDC and bureau of Justice
Statistics: "Suicides typically make up 56.5% of all gun deaths
according to the Bureau Of Justice Statistics. In fact, drugs and
suicides account for more than 2 out of every 3 gun deaths in the USA. "

According to the CDC for the 6 yr period from 1/1/2000 to 12/31/2006
there were 209,773 deaths by handguns.

As I said, I have no problems if the laws remain the same or if they
change, but I have never felt that I needed a handgun for protection..
I go downtown without any fear, including some of the cities with high
crime rates, Atlanta, Washington DC, Miami, NYC, and have never been
threatened. I personally think it is because I don't look like an easy
target, others might say it is because I look like the kind of person
who would go postal if threated. But, based upon the way I use my cell
phone (it normally stays in my car) , if and when I needed a handgun, it
would not be close by.

From the estimates I have read, the estimates that guns are used to
prevent crime are between 400,000 and 2.5 million. The problem is all
of these statistics are very dubious, because of what one defines as
crime prevention. Does it include when someone pulls out a gun due to
road rage? I really can't figure out what I am doing to have lived all
of my life, and never had anyone try to rob me or threaten my life, but
if I could figure it out, I need to bottle it and sell it.

It helps to look like the meanest, ugliest SOB in the valley.
--
John H

"The problem with Socialism is that you eventually run out of other people’s money." --Margaret Thatcher

John H wrote:
On Fri, 05 Jun 2009 09:35:27 -0400, "Reginald P. Smithers III, Esq."
wrote:

Richard Casady wrote:
On Wed, 03 Jun 2009 17:45:16 -0400, John H
wrote:

Utter bull****. In most cases handguns are never used in anger. 99% of
them. Your 'most cases' falls in the 1 %. A guy once pulled a knife on
me and demanded money. I pulled a .45 and told him to run. He did.
Had he tried to ' use it against me' I would have shot him several
times. Back in the bin.

Casady
You're much better off listening to Krause. He never bull****s. He
went to Yale, you know.

Reggie may have been talking about h
My use resulted in no shots fired, so it wasn't even reported, Nothing
in the statistics. There are estimates that guns are used to chase off
trouble more than a million times a year, without anyone bothering to
report it. Many successful crimes are also unreported, so it is hard
to get at the truth, even without an ax to grind.

Casady
Well you are probably correct that it is very difficult to get reliable
gun statistics, but according to the CDC and bureau of Justice
Statistics: "Suicides typically make up 56.5% of all gun deaths
according to the Bureau Of Justice Statistics. In fact, drugs and
suicides account for more than 2 out of every 3 gun deaths in the USA. "

According to the CDC for the 6 yr period from 1/1/2000 to 12/31/2006
there were 209,773 deaths by handguns.

As I said, I have no problems if the laws remain the same or if they
change, but I have never felt that I needed a handgun for protection..
I go downtown without any fear, including some of the cities with high
crime rates, Atlanta, Washington DC, Miami, NYC, and have never been
threatened. I personally think it is because I don't look like an easy
target, others might say it is because I look like the kind of person
who would go postal if threated. But, based upon the way I use my cell
phone (it normally stays in my car) , if and when I needed a handgun, it
would not be close by.

From the estimates I have read, the estimates that guns are used to
prevent crime are between 400,000 and 2.5 million. The problem is all
of these statistics are very dubious, because of what one defines as
crime prevention. Does it include when someone pulls out a gun due to
road rage? I really can't figure out what I am doing to have lived all
of my life, and never had anyone try to rob me or threaten my life, but
if I could figure it out, I need to bottle it and sell it.

It helps to look like the meanest, ugliest SOB in the valley.
--
John H

"The problem with Socialism is that you eventually run out of other people’s money." --Margaret Thatcher

I don't know if it is because I am the meanest, the ugliest or both, but
I NEVER have any problems.

--
Reginald P. Smithers III, Esq.

This Newsgroup post is a natural product. The slight variations in
spelling and grammar enhance its individual character and beauty and in
no way are to be considered flaws or defects

On Fri, 05 Jun 2009 09:35:27 -0400, "Reginald P. Smithers III, Esq."
wrote:

I personally think it is because I don't look like an easy
target, others might say it is because I look like the kind of person
who would go postal if threated

So many jokes - so little time. :)

On Fri, 05 Jun 2009 10:30:15 -0400, John H
wrote:

It helps to look like the meanest, ugliest SOB in the valley.

It's even better to be the meanest, ugliest SOB in the valley.