"Zombie of Woodstock" wrote in message
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On Mon, 01 Jun 2009 01:59:03 -0400, wrote:

On Sun, 31 May 2009 21:26:40 -0700, jps wrote:

On Sun, 31 May 2009 22:56:14 -0400, Gene
wrote:


I agree, but then, there is that indefinite *YOU* to reckon with.
Since my Dad was long since retired and they were trying to
double-triple-fourple dip with Uncle Sam, I told them he would be in
touch.

Amazing how quickly things can get sorted out and a credit appear.....
AMAZING!

There's a lot of talk about administrative costs and profit but rarely
do we hear how much scamming goes on. Not only double billing but
tons of unnecessary procedures, medicines, treatments, etc.

System needs a top to bottom overhaul.

A lot of that is just the lawyer tax. Doctors will not commit to
anything without a lot of backup tests because if they get it wrong
they get sued.
They might get sued anyway..

That is absoutely true and I can personally attest to it.

Back when I was an active volunteer paramedic, we responded to a auto
accident - eight kids in cars were playing chicken at a four way stop
- heading at each other with their lights off. Head on at about 40 or
so - it was pretty nasty.

Anyway, long story short, we got to the scene and were given one car
that had rolled over. Kid had his hand on the window and when the car
rolled, he lost his right hand index and middle finger in addition to
head trauma and internal injuries - hell of a time keeping him alive
long enough to get to a trauma center. I almost lost him on the way to
the helicopter LZ, then went with the chopper to UMASS working on him
the whole way. He made it though.

About eight months later, I get a notice of intent to sue. The kids
mother had filed a complaint with the State because I didn't take the
time to find his fingers - he had just started to play the drums and
had a career to think of and she was suing me for negligence and loss
of potential income.

$25,000,000.

Fortunately, it never got past-pretrial - the judge threw it out and
read the riot act to the attorney and mother and the State refused to
reconsider even though she tried a couple more times.

I have doctors in the family and they can tell you a few stories.



And people wonder why this country is in the mess it is in. Companies
share the blame as do politicians and lawyers. But the biggest blame goes
to the modern consumer and private citizen like this one who try to abuse
the system and get something for nothing. Thankfully there are still some
judges with a bit of common sense.

Eisboch

Eisboch wrote:

"Zombie of Woodstock" wrote in message
...
On Mon, 01 Jun 2009 01:59:03 -0400, wrote:

On Sun, 31 May 2009 21:26:40 -0700, jps wrote:

On Sun, 31 May 2009 22:56:14 -0400, Gene
wrote:


I agree, but then, there is that indefinite *YOU* to reckon with.
Since my Dad was long since retired and they were trying to
double-triple-fourple dip with Uncle Sam, I told them he would be in
touch.

Amazing how quickly things can get sorted out and a credit appear.....
AMAZING!

There's a lot of talk about administrative costs and profit but rarely
do we hear how much scamming goes on. Not only double billing but
tons of unnecessary procedures, medicines, treatments, etc.

System needs a top to bottom overhaul.

A lot of that is just the lawyer tax. Doctors will not commit to
anything without a lot of backup tests because if they get it wrong
they get sued.
They might get sued anyway..

That is absoutely true and I can personally attest to it.

Back when I was an active volunteer paramedic, we responded to a auto
accident - eight kids in cars were playing chicken at a four way stop
- heading at each other with their lights off. Head on at about 40 or
so - it was pretty nasty.

Anyway, long story short, we got to the scene and were given one car
that had rolled over. Kid had his hand on the window and when the car
rolled, he lost his right hand index and middle finger in addition to
head trauma and internal injuries - hell of a time keeping him alive
long enough to get to a trauma center. I almost lost him on the way to
the helicopter LZ, then went with the chopper to UMASS working on him
the whole way. He made it though.

About eight months later, I get a notice of intent to sue. The kids
mother had filed a complaint with the State because I didn't take the
time to find his fingers - he had just started to play the drums and
had a career to think of and she was suing me for negligence and loss
of potential income.

$25,000,000.

Fortunately, it never got past-pretrial - the judge threw it out and
read the riot act to the attorney and mother and the State refused to
reconsider even though she tried a couple more times.

I have doctors in the family and they can tell you a few stories.



And people wonder why this country is in the mess it is in. Companies
share the blame as do politicians and lawyers. But the biggest blame
goes to the modern consumer and private citizen like this one who try to
abuse the system and get something for nothing. Thankfully there are
still some judges with a bit of common sense.

Eisboch



In the criminal justice system, as you know, there are steps that have
to be completed before a trial takes place, and among these is a grand
jury proceeding.

Now, unfortunately, many grand juries are little more than sessions that
rubber stamp whatever a prosecutor wishes, but not all are that way.

In some jurisdictions, parties to a civil suit have to go through some
sort of arbitration before a trial can be scheduled.

"HK" wrote in message
m...


In the criminal justice system, as you know, there are steps that have to
be completed before a trial takes place, and among these is a grand jury
proceeding.

Now, unfortunately, many grand juries are little more than sessions that
rubber stamp whatever a prosecutor wishes, but not all are that way.

In some jurisdictions, parties to a civil suit have to go through some
sort of arbitration before a trial can be scheduled.


Whatever. I hope the woman and her lawyer in Tom's case were laughed out of
the courtroom, along with a stern admonishment by the judge.

Eisboch

Eisboch wrote:

"HK" wrote in message
m...


In the criminal justice system, as you know, there are steps that have
to be completed before a trial takes place, and among these is a grand
jury proceeding.

Now, unfortunately, many grand juries are little more than sessions
that rubber stamp whatever a prosecutor wishes, but not all are that way.

In some jurisdictions, parties to a civil suit have to go through some
sort of arbitration before a trial can be scheduled.


Whatever. I hope the woman and her lawyer in Tom's case were laughed
out of the courtroom, along with a stern admonishment by the judge.

Eisboch

This is why we need Tort reform and "loser pays" put into law.