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Socialized medicine.
Gene wrote:
On Sun, 31 May 2009 22:27:05 -0400, BAR wrote: Gene wrote: On Sun, 31 May 2009 21:11:16 -0400, wrote: On Sun, 31 May 2009 20:45:46 -0400, Gene wrote: On Sun, 31 May 2009 20:18:25 -0400, John H wrote: Canada is not a great example of same: " With respect to patient’s rights, waiting times and availability of pharmaceuticals Canada places at the absolute bottom in the rankings. Canada ranks dead last in the "Bang-for-the-Buck" index (Estonia is first in the value-for-money-adjusted "Bang-for-the-Buck" index). " http://tinyurl.com/mxq9ut Socialized medicine may suck.... I have no personal experience. The US has only ONE limited experiment in socialized medicine. It administered by the "Department of Veterans Affairs." Anybody have experience with this? Is it as bad as they say it is in Canada and England? There is also Medicare but they are going broke taking 14% of every wage earned in the country and only covering about 12% of the population. I would certainly agree, that math doesn't work. I am a great believer in "cigar box" economics. I've been called "ignorant," but the concept has never failed me. Those, "more educated" have explained to me how wrong I am, the nuances of the post-industrial economy. I still think they are idiots. If you know me, either way, I can't lose! :-) Get the lawyers and bureaucrats out of medicine and throw the bad doctors out on their asses. Costs will come down. And make it a pay as you go system. Everyone needs to pull some money out of their pocket and pay for their medical care. For those who have sustained service related injuries it is part of their contract with the government to have those medical issues covered by the government. You major error, here, is that many, if not most, lawsuits are frivolous..... Balanced by caregivers posting record profits by charging $20 per aspirin, etc..... If you seriously want to engage in this one, I have documentary evidence from my father's death where the hospital charged: 1) Fees for days and weeks after my father's death, 2) absurd costs to the tune of top dollar for prescriptions never taken,. 3) doctor visits, which never happened, some after his death... 4) months of double billing Medicaid..... I won't go on, but you get the picture.... Someone at the hospital should be in jail. |
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Socialized medicine.
On Sun, 31 May 2009 22:48:03 -0400, BAR wrote:
Balanced by caregivers posting record profits by charging $20 per aspirin, etc..... If you seriously want to engage in this one, I have documentary evidence from my father's death where the hospital charged: 1) Fees for days and weeks after my father's death, 2) absurd costs to the tune of top dollar for prescriptions never taken,. 3) doctor visits, which never happened, some after his death... 4) months of double billing Medicaid..... I won't go on, but you get the picture.... Someone at the hospital should be in jail. Agreed but the jails are not big enough. It has become endemic in the health care system. |
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Socialized medicine.
On Sun, 31 May 2009 22:56:14 -0400, Gene
wrote: I agree, but then, there is that indefinite *YOU* to reckon with. Since my Dad was long since retired and they were trying to double-triple-fourple dip with Uncle Sam, I told them he would be in touch. Amazing how quickly things can get sorted out and a credit appear..... AMAZING! There's a lot of talk about administrative costs and profit but rarely do we hear how much scamming goes on. Not only double billing but tons of unnecessary procedures, medicines, treatments, etc. System needs a top to bottom overhaul. |
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Socialized medicine.
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Socialized medicine.
On Mon, 01 Jun 2009 01:01:53 -0700, jps wrote:
The poor schmuck who walks into a hospital with a problem and no insurance will end up without money or a house in no time. Considering that I got affordable insurance, about average cost, after they knew I had cancer, you would have to be a schmuck to get zeroed out financially. Casady |
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Socialized medicine.
Richard Casady wrote:
On Mon, 01 Jun 2009 01:01:53 -0700, jps wrote: The poor schmuck who walks into a hospital with a problem and no insurance will end up without money or a house in no time. Considering that I got affordable insurance, about average cost, after they knew I had cancer, you would have to be a schmuck to get zeroed out financially. Casady So, you think that projecting your particulars works for everyone, eh? |
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Socialized medicine.
On Mon, 01 Jun 2009 13:08:58 -0400, HK wrote:
Richard Casady wrote: On Mon, 01 Jun 2009 01:01:53 -0700, jps wrote: The poor schmuck who walks into a hospital with a problem and no insurance will end up without money or a house in no time. Considering that I got affordable insurance, about average cost, after they knew I had cancer, you would have to be a schmuck to get zeroed out financially. Casady So, you think that projecting your particulars works for everyone, eh? I believe state law required that someone write the policy. My particulars apply to millions around these parts. Someone has to write you car insurance, no matter how bad your record. for example. |
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Socialized medicine.
On Mon, 01 Jun 2009 12:04:19 -0500, Richard Casady
wrote: On Mon, 01 Jun 2009 01:01:53 -0700, jps wrote: The poor schmuck who walks into a hospital with a problem and no insurance will end up without money or a house in no time. Considering that I got affordable insurance, about average cost, after they knew I had cancer, you would have to be a schmuck to get zeroed out financially. Casady What were you doing with cancer and no insurance, schmuck? What if your kid's leg was half severed or had a burst appendix and you were in the same situation? Would you shop around before taking him to the emergency room? You think the insurance company would cover his pre-existing condition? Not a chance. |
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Socialized medicine.
On Mon, 01 Jun 2009 11:30:15 -0700, jps wrote:
On Mon, 01 Jun 2009 12:04:19 -0500, Richard Casady wrote: On Mon, 01 Jun 2009 01:01:53 -0700, jps wrote: The poor schmuck who walks into a hospital with a problem and no insurance will end up without money or a house in no time. Considering that I got affordable insurance, about average cost, after they knew I had cancer, you would have to be a schmuck to get zeroed out financially. Casady What were you doing with cancer and no insurance, schmuck? Self insured with over a mil cash more or less gathering dust in a money market account. I have been saving my money in case I took a major uninsured hit, or the Dow went to near zero. Anyone can sue for anything, and juries are sometimes nuts. I have saved most of my income for decades.I haven't had a new car since 1975. A Volvo wagon with the last of the pushrod motors Treatment seems to be successful, and it wasn't financial disaster. I would feel lucky, except 7 out of 8 don't get it. I am grateful for a life expectency. They x-rayed my neck to the point where I can only turn my head about 45 degrees, and I will never be able to have swallow solid food. I can drink liquids at least. I have a tube into my stomach for swill. Smoking and drinking is a bad combination for causing oral cancer. They told me to quit drinking, but it is ok to pour the beer into the feeding bag. I was a schmuck for forty years of Camel no filters. I will admit that. What if your kid's leg was half severed or had a burst appendix and you were in the same situation? I don't pay bills for my wifes adult kids. Would you shop around before taking him to the emergency room? You should know which is the best ER in town. You think the insurance company would cover his pre-existing condition? What are you talking about? It's my insurance, not his. Mine covers existing conditions after six months. As I write the TV says an Air France plane disappeared, after reporting some equipment problems, enroute from Rio to Paris. Not a chance. Not a bit of relevance. Casady |
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Socialized medicine.
On Mon, 01 Jun 2009 17:40:21 -0500, Richard Casady
wrote: On Mon, 01 Jun 2009 11:30:15 -0700, jps wrote: On Mon, 01 Jun 2009 12:04:19 -0500, Richard Casady wrote: On Mon, 01 Jun 2009 01:01:53 -0700, jps wrote: The poor schmuck who walks into a hospital with a problem and no insurance will end up without money or a house in no time. Considering that I got affordable insurance, about average cost, after they knew I had cancer, you would have to be a schmuck to get zeroed out financially. Casady What were you doing with cancer and no insurance, schmuck? Self insured with over a mil cash more or less gathering dust in a money market account. I have been saving my money in case I took a major uninsured hit, or the Dow went to near zero. Anyone can sue for anything, and juries are sometimes nuts. I have saved most of my income for decades.I haven't had a new car since 1975. A Volvo wagon with the last of the pushrod motors Treatment seems to be successful, and it wasn't financial disaster. I would feel lucky, except 7 out of 8 don't get it. I am grateful for a life expectency. They x-rayed my neck to the point where I can only turn my head about 45 degrees, and I will never be able to have swallow solid food. I can drink liquids at least. I have a tube into my stomach for swill. Smoking and drinking is a bad combination for causing oral cancer. They told me to quit drinking, but it is ok to pour the beer into the feeding bag. I was a schmuck for forty years of Camel no filters. I will admit that. Holy ****. I'm sorry to hear. What if your kid's leg was half severed or had a burst appendix and you were in the same situation? I don't pay bills for my wifes adult kids. Renting is always cheaper in the end. Would you shop around before taking him to the emergency room? You should know which is the best ER in town. I do. I have friends who work there. Regional trauma center. You think the insurance company would cover his pre-existing condition? What are you talking about? It's my insurance, not his. Mine covers existing conditions after six months. You can burn through a ****load of cash in six months. I just watched a family member burn through a lot of medicaide money in two weeks. As I write the TV says an Air France plane disappeared, after reporting some equipment problems, enroute from Rio to Paris. Not a chance. Not a bit of relevance. Casady |
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