On Mon, 01 Jun 2009 01:59:03 -0400, wrote:

On Sun, 31 May 2009 21:26:40 -0700, jps wrote:

On Sun, 31 May 2009 22:56:14 -0400, Gene
wrote:


I agree, but then, there is that indefinite *YOU* to reckon with.
Since my Dad was long since retired and they were trying to
double-triple-fourple dip with Uncle Sam, I told them he would be in
touch.

Amazing how quickly things can get sorted out and a credit appear.....
AMAZING!

There's a lot of talk about administrative costs and profit but rarely
do we hear how much scamming goes on. Not only double billing but
tons of unnecessary procedures, medicines, treatments, etc.

System needs a top to bottom overhaul.

A lot of that is just the lawyer tax. Doctors will not commit to
anything without a lot of backup tests because if they get it wrong
they get sued.
They might get sued anyway..

That is absoutely true and I can personally attest to it.

Back when I was an active volunteer paramedic, we responded to a auto
accident - eight kids in cars were playing chicken at a four way stop
- heading at each other with their lights off. Head on at about 40 or
so - it was pretty nasty.

Anyway, long story short, we got to the scene and were given one car
that had rolled over. Kid had his hand on the window and when the car
rolled, he lost his right hand index and middle finger in addition to
head trauma and internal injuries - hell of a time keeping him alive
long enough to get to a trauma center. I almost lost him on the way to
the helicopter LZ, then went with the chopper to UMASS working on him
the whole way. He made it though.

About eight months later, I get a notice of intent to sue. The kids
mother had filed a complaint with the State because I didn't take the
time to find his fingers - he had just started to play the drums and
had a career to think of and she was suing me for negligence and loss
of potential income.

$25,000,000.

Fortunately, it never got past-pretrial - the judge threw it out and
read the riot act to the attorney and mother and the State refused to
reconsider even though she tried a couple more times.

I have doctors in the family and they can tell you a few stories.

Zombie of Woodstock wrote:
On Mon, 01 Jun 2009 01:59:03 -0400, wrote:

On Sun, 31 May 2009 21:26:40 -0700, jps wrote:

On Sun, 31 May 2009 22:56:14 -0400, Gene
wrote:


I agree, but then, there is that indefinite *YOU* to reckon with.
Since my Dad was long since retired and they were trying to
double-triple-fourple dip with Uncle Sam, I told them he would be in
touch.

Amazing how quickly things can get sorted out and a credit appear.....
AMAZING!
There's a lot of talk about administrative costs and profit but rarely
do we hear how much scamming goes on. Not only double billing but
tons of unnecessary procedures, medicines, treatments, etc.

System needs a top to bottom overhaul.
A lot of that is just the lawyer tax. Doctors will not commit to
anything without a lot of backup tests because if they get it wrong
they get sued.
They might get sued anyway..

That is absoutely true and I can personally attest to it.

Back when I was an active volunteer paramedic, we responded to a auto
accident - eight kids in cars were playing chicken at a four way stop
- heading at each other with their lights off. Head on at about 40 or
so - it was pretty nasty.

Anyway, long story short, we got to the scene and were given one car
that had rolled over. Kid had his hand on the window and when the car
rolled, he lost his right hand index and middle finger in addition to
head trauma and internal injuries - hell of a time keeping him alive
long enough to get to a trauma center. I almost lost him on the way to
the helicopter LZ, then went with the chopper to UMASS working on him
the whole way. He made it though.

About eight months later, I get a notice of intent to sue. The kids
mother had filed a complaint with the State because I didn't take the
time to find his fingers - he had just started to play the drums and
had a career to think of and she was suing me for negligence and loss
of potential income.

$25,000,000.

Fortunately, it never got past-pretrial - the judge threw it out and
read the riot act to the attorney and mother and the State refused to
reconsider even though she tried a couple more times.

I have doctors in the family and they can tell you a few stories.


So...what happened to the fingers? Were they sold on eBay?

"Zombie of Woodstock" wrote in message
...
On Mon, 01 Jun 2009 01:59:03 -0400, wrote:

On Sun, 31 May 2009 21:26:40 -0700, jps wrote:

On Sun, 31 May 2009 22:56:14 -0400, Gene
wrote:


I agree, but then, there is that indefinite *YOU* to reckon with.
Since my Dad was long since retired and they were trying to
double-triple-fourple dip with Uncle Sam, I told them he would be in
touch.

Amazing how quickly things can get sorted out and a credit appear.....
AMAZING!

There's a lot of talk about administrative costs and profit but rarely
do we hear how much scamming goes on. Not only double billing but
tons of unnecessary procedures, medicines, treatments, etc.

System needs a top to bottom overhaul.

A lot of that is just the lawyer tax. Doctors will not commit to
anything without a lot of backup tests because if they get it wrong
they get sued.
They might get sued anyway..

That is absoutely true and I can personally attest to it.

Back when I was an active volunteer paramedic, we responded to a auto
accident - eight kids in cars were playing chicken at a four way stop
- heading at each other with their lights off. Head on at about 40 or
so - it was pretty nasty.

Anyway, long story short, we got to the scene and were given one car
that had rolled over. Kid had his hand on the window and when the car
rolled, he lost his right hand index and middle finger in addition to
head trauma and internal injuries - hell of a time keeping him alive
long enough to get to a trauma center. I almost lost him on the way to
the helicopter LZ, then went with the chopper to UMASS working on him
the whole way. He made it though.

About eight months later, I get a notice of intent to sue. The kids
mother had filed a complaint with the State because I didn't take the
time to find his fingers - he had just started to play the drums and
had a career to think of and she was suing me for negligence and loss
of potential income.

$25,000,000.

Fortunately, it never got past-pretrial - the judge threw it out and
read the riot act to the attorney and mother and the State refused to
reconsider even though she tried a couple more times.

I have doctors in the family and they can tell you a few stories.



And people wonder why this country is in the mess it is in. Companies
share the blame as do politicians and lawyers. But the biggest blame goes
to the modern consumer and private citizen like this one who try to abuse
the system and get something for nothing. Thankfully there are still some
judges with a bit of common sense.

Eisboch

Eisboch wrote:

"Zombie of Woodstock" wrote in message
...
On Mon, 01 Jun 2009 01:59:03 -0400, wrote:

On Sun, 31 May 2009 21:26:40 -0700, jps wrote:

On Sun, 31 May 2009 22:56:14 -0400, Gene
wrote:


I agree, but then, there is that indefinite *YOU* to reckon with.
Since my Dad was long since retired and they were trying to
double-triple-fourple dip with Uncle Sam, I told them he would be in
touch.

Amazing how quickly things can get sorted out and a credit appear.....
AMAZING!

There's a lot of talk about administrative costs and profit but rarely
do we hear how much scamming goes on. Not only double billing but
tons of unnecessary procedures, medicines, treatments, etc.

System needs a top to bottom overhaul.

A lot of that is just the lawyer tax. Doctors will not commit to
anything without a lot of backup tests because if they get it wrong
they get sued.
They might get sued anyway..

That is absoutely true and I can personally attest to it.

Back when I was an active volunteer paramedic, we responded to a auto
accident - eight kids in cars were playing chicken at a four way stop
- heading at each other with their lights off. Head on at about 40 or
so - it was pretty nasty.

Anyway, long story short, we got to the scene and were given one car
that had rolled over. Kid had his hand on the window and when the car
rolled, he lost his right hand index and middle finger in addition to
head trauma and internal injuries - hell of a time keeping him alive
long enough to get to a trauma center. I almost lost him on the way to
the helicopter LZ, then went with the chopper to UMASS working on him
the whole way. He made it though.

About eight months later, I get a notice of intent to sue. The kids
mother had filed a complaint with the State because I didn't take the
time to find his fingers - he had just started to play the drums and
had a career to think of and she was suing me for negligence and loss
of potential income.

$25,000,000.

Fortunately, it never got past-pretrial - the judge threw it out and
read the riot act to the attorney and mother and the State refused to
reconsider even though she tried a couple more times.

I have doctors in the family and they can tell you a few stories.



And people wonder why this country is in the mess it is in. Companies
share the blame as do politicians and lawyers. But the biggest blame
goes to the modern consumer and private citizen like this one who try to
abuse the system and get something for nothing. Thankfully there are
still some judges with a bit of common sense.

Eisboch



In the criminal justice system, as you know, there are steps that have
to be completed before a trial takes place, and among these is a grand
jury proceeding.

Now, unfortunately, many grand juries are little more than sessions that
rubber stamp whatever a prosecutor wishes, but not all are that way.

In some jurisdictions, parties to a civil suit have to go through some
sort of arbitration before a trial can be scheduled.

"HK" wrote in message
m...


In the criminal justice system, as you know, there are steps that have to
be completed before a trial takes place, and among these is a grand jury
proceeding.

Now, unfortunately, many grand juries are little more than sessions that
rubber stamp whatever a prosecutor wishes, but not all are that way.

In some jurisdictions, parties to a civil suit have to go through some
sort of arbitration before a trial can be scheduled.


Whatever. I hope the woman and her lawyer in Tom's case were laughed out of
the courtroom, along with a stern admonishment by the judge.

Eisboch

"John H" wrote in message
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Canada is not a great example of same:

" With respect to patient's rights, waiting times and availability of
pharmaceuticals Canada places at the absolute bottom in the rankings.

Canada ranks dead last in the "Bang-for-the-Buck" index (Estonia is
first in the value-for-money-adjusted "Bang-for-the-Buck" index). "

http://tinyurl.com/mxq9ut


--
John H


Well Johnny..we have a major handicap...living next door to the US.
We have to pay our doctors, specialists, nurses etc. well (by Canadian
standards) or they can easily pull up stakes and take their subsidized
educations and knowledge to the US for more money.
I wonder how the pay rates for Canada and some of the European countries
compare.
Also, when you had Reagan and we had Mulroney running our countries...the
big US drug companies were hounding us about our generic drugs.
At the time we only gave them a 7 year period to gouge the public before
generic companies could manufacture similar products.
After our 'conservative' government bowed to presssure and bribes (promises
to produce more brand name drugs here) our lackey gave in and changed the
protected time period to 15 years. This dramatically raised drug costs up
here....at who's benefit?

Don White wrote:
"John H" wrote in message
...
Canada is not a great example of same:

" With respect to patient's rights, waiting times and availability of
pharmaceuticals Canada places at the absolute bottom in the rankings.

Canada ranks dead last in the "Bang-for-the-Buck" index (Estonia is
first in the value-for-money-adjusted "Bang-for-the-Buck" index). "

http://tinyurl.com/mxq9ut


--
John H


Well Johnny..we have a major handicap...living next door to the US.
We have to pay our doctors, specialists, nurses etc. well (by Canadian
standards) or they can easily pull up stakes and take their subsidized
educations and knowledge to the US for more money.
I wonder how the pay rates for Canada and some of the European countries
compare.
Also, when you had Reagan and we had Mulroney running our countries...the
big US drug companies were hounding us about our generic drugs.
At the time we only gave them a 7 year period to gouge the public before
generic companies could manufacture similar products.
After our 'conservative' government bowed to presssure and bribes (promises
to produce more brand name drugs here) our lackey gave in and changed the
protected time period to 15 years. This dramatically raised drug costs up
here....at who's benefit?




Please note the bang for the buck mentioned in Herring's post includes
only European countries and Canada, and not the USA, and most of those
European countries have socialized medicine. Over there, though, the
programs have evolved more than Canada's has. Thus, Herring's post is
specious.

On May 31, 8:45*pm, Gene wrote:
On Sun, 31 May 2009 20:18:25 -0400, John H
wrote:

Canada is not a great example of same:

" *With respect to patient’s rights, waiting times and availability of
pharmaceuticals Canada places at the absolute bottom in the rankings.

Canada ranks dead last in the "Bang-for-the-Buck" index (Estonia is
first in the value-for-money-adjusted "Bang-for-the-Buck" index). "

http://tinyurl.com/mxq9ut

Socialized medicine may suck.... I have no personal experience. The US
has only ONE limited experiment in socialized medicine. It
administered by the "Department of Veterans Affairs." Anybody have
experience with this? Is it as bad as they say it is in Canada and
England?
--

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"Twenty years from now you will be more disappointed by
the things you didn't do than by the ones you did do.
So, throw off the bowlines. Sail away from the safe harbor.
Catch the trade winds in your sails.
Explore. Dream. Discover." * - Unknown

Grady-White Gulfstream, out of Oak Island, NC.

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Is it as bad as they say it is in Canada and England?

No, Herring is just trolling....again. Powered by rumour. Herring
believes everything he hears.

On Jun 1, 8:37*am, HK wrote:
Zombie of Woodstock wrote:
On Mon, 01 Jun 2009 01:59:03 -0400, wrote:

On Sun, 31 May 2009 21:26:40 -0700, jps wrote:

On Sun, 31 May 2009 22:56:14 -0400, Gene
wrote:

I agree, but then, there is that indefinite *YOU* to reckon with.
Since my Dad was long since retired and they were trying to
double-triple-fourple dip with Uncle Sam, I told them he would be in
touch.

Amazing how quickly things can get sorted out and a credit appear......
AMAZING!
There's a lot of talk about administrative costs and profit but rarely
do we hear how much scamming goes on. *Not only double billing but
tons of unnecessary procedures, medicines, treatments, etc.

System needs a top to bottom overhaul.
A lot of that is just the lawyer tax. Doctors will not commit to
anything without a lot of backup tests because if they get it wrong
they get sued.
They might get sued anyway..

That is absoutely true and I can personally attest to it.

Back when I was an active volunteer paramedic, we responded to a auto
accident - eight kids in cars were playing chicken at a four way stop
- heading at each other with their lights off. Head on at about 40 or
so - it was pretty nasty.

Anyway, long story short, we got to the scene and were given one car
that had rolled over. Kid had his hand on the window and when the car
rolled, he lost his right hand index and middle finger in addition to
head trauma and internal injuries - hell of a time keeping him alive
long enough to get to a trauma center. I almost lost him on the way to
the helicopter LZ, then went with the chopper to UMASS working on him
the whole way. *He made it though.

About eight months later, I get a notice of intent to sue. The kids
mother had filed a complaint with the State because I didn't take the
time to find his fingers - he had just started to play the drums and
had a career to think of and she was suing me for negligence and loss
of potential income.

$25,000,000.

Fortunately, it never got past-pretrial - the judge threw it out and
read the riot act to the attorney and mother and the State refused to
reconsider even though she tried a couple more times.

I have doctors in the family and they can tell you a few stories.

So...what happened to the fingers? Were they sold on eBay?

Loogy, and justhate had a Barbeque...... Chicken Fingers....

wrote:
On Jun 1, 8:37 am, HK wrote:
Zombie of Woodstock wrote:
On Mon, 01 Jun 2009 01:59:03 -0400, wrote:
On Sun, 31 May 2009 21:26:40 -0700, jps wrote:
On Sun, 31 May 2009 22:56:14 -0400, Gene
wrote:
I agree, but then, there is that indefinite *YOU* to reckon with.
Since my Dad was long since retired and they were trying to
double-triple-fourple dip with Uncle Sam, I told them he would be in
touch.
Amazing how quickly things can get sorted out and a credit appear.....
AMAZING!
There's a lot of talk about administrative costs and profit but rarely
do we hear how much scamming goes on. Not only double billing but
tons of unnecessary procedures, medicines, treatments, etc.
System needs a top to bottom overhaul.
A lot of that is just the lawyer tax. Doctors will not commit to
anything without a lot of backup tests because if they get it wrong
they get sued.
They might get sued anyway..
That is absoutely true and I can personally attest to it.
Back when I was an active volunteer paramedic, we responded to a auto
accident - eight kids in cars were playing chicken at a four way stop
- heading at each other with their lights off. Head on at about 40 or
so - it was pretty nasty.
Anyway, long story short, we got to the scene and were given one car
that had rolled over. Kid had his hand on the window and when the car
rolled, he lost his right hand index and middle finger in addition to
head trauma and internal injuries - hell of a time keeping him alive
long enough to get to a trauma center. I almost lost him on the way to
the helicopter LZ, then went with the chopper to UMASS working on him
the whole way. He made it though.
About eight months later, I get a notice of intent to sue. The kids
mother had filed a complaint with the State because I didn't take the
time to find his fingers - he had just started to play the drums and
had a career to think of and she was suing me for negligence and loss
of potential income.
$25,000,000.
Fortunately, it never got past-pretrial - the judge threw it out and
read the riot act to the attorney and mother and the State refused to
reconsider even though she tried a couple more times.
I have doctors in the family and they can tell you a few stories.
So...what happened to the fingers? Were they sold on eBay?

Loogy, and justhate had a Barbeque...... Chicken Fingers....


Oh, gawd...I believe that! :)