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Nope, go check the code, get a few tools including a good tester and
have at it.. I passed my inspection fine and the Zoning guy is also
the Fire Marshall... Just redid all of the plumbing H+C water and
heat last year too.. I can sweat a pipe like any union slacker...

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I can wire just about anything. But plumbing and I just don't get along.
I've tried, but I just don't have the knack. Mrs.E. knows not to even call
for me
if anything to do with water needs fixing in the house or her barn. She
has the plumber's phone number stored in her cell phone.

Eisboch

Eisboch wrote:

"HK" wrote in message
m...
Eisboch wrote:

"HK" wrote in message
m...
wrote:
On May 29, 10:25 am, HK wrote:
wrote:
So, your home electrical system was designed by a loud-mouthed,
drunken,
semi-literate nincompoop, eh?- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
Nope, thank God you and your union slackers were nowhere to be
found... The work got done, and done right.
How would *you* know the job was "done right"?

Pffffttt...


You can "pffffttt" all you like, but it's no substitute for the cold
hard fact that you surely know nothing about wiring a home properly,
or, in fact, much about anything else, either.


House wiring isn't exactly rocket science Harry. There's a good
book for you on on subject at Barnes and Noble entitled, "Home Wiring
for Dummies".

Eisboch



Wiring a home properly requires some knowledge of electricity,
knowledge of wiring, and knowledge of the electrical code. An idiot
like JustHate surely can run wire, but that doesn't mean he really
knows what he is doing or that he does the wiring according to code.


You look it up in a book. Not to insult electricians, but that's
basically all they learn to get a license. Wiring is pretty
straightforward. I have fun "qualifying" licensed electricians with a
simple question.
Assume your house is wired with a 200 ampere service (which is pretty
standard for the average sized home). You have two "hot" legs, a
neutral and ground. The size of each hot leg is sized to handle 200
amperes. That's 200 amps each, or a total of 400 amps. Yet, the white
"neutral" lead is the same size as the hot leads .... rated for 200 amps.

Why?

Very few licensed electricians will give the correct answer.

Eisboch

Time share.

On Fri, 29 May 2009 18:28:01 -0400, "Eisboch"
wrote:


wrote in message
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Nope, go check the code, get a few tools including a good tester and
have at it.. I passed my inspection fine and the Zoning guy is also
the Fire Marshall... Just redid all of the plumbing H+C water and
heat last year too.. I can sweat a pipe like any union slacker...

----------------------------------

I can wire just about anything. But plumbing and I just don't get along.
I've tried, but I just don't have the knack. Mrs.E. knows not to even call
for me
if anything to do with water needs fixing in the house or her barn. She
has the plumber's phone number stored in her cell phone.

Eisboch

I figure it's worth giving it a try. If you screw it up, well you were
going to call a plumber anyway.
--
John H

"The problem with Socialism is that you eventually run out of other people’s money." --Margaret Thatcher

"jim785" wrote in message
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Eisboch wrote:

"HK" wrote in message
m...
Eisboch wrote:

"HK" wrote in message
m...
wrote:
On May 29, 10:25 am, HK wrote:
wrote:
So, your home electrical system was designed by a loud-mouthed,
drunken,
semi-literate nincompoop, eh?- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
Nope, thank God you and your union slackers were nowhere to be
found... The work got done, and done right.
How would *you* know the job was "done right"?

Pffffttt...


You can "pffffttt" all you like, but it's no substitute for the cold
hard fact that you surely know nothing about wiring a home properly,
or, in fact, much about anything else, either.


House wiring isn't exactly rocket science Harry. There's a good book
for you on on subject at Barnes and Noble entitled, "Home Wiring for
Dummies".

Eisboch



Wiring a home properly requires some knowledge of electricity, knowledge
of wiring, and knowledge of the electrical code. An idiot like JustHate
surely can run wire, but that doesn't mean he really knows what he is
doing or that he does the wiring according to code.


You look it up in a book. Not to insult electricians, but that's
basically all they learn to get a license. Wiring is pretty
straightforward. I have fun "qualifying" licensed electricians with a
simple question.
Assume your house is wired with a 200 ampere service (which is pretty
standard for the average sized home). You have two "hot" legs, a
neutral and ground. The size of each hot leg is sized to handle 200
amperes. That's 200 amps each, or a total of 400 amps. Yet, the white
"neutral" lead is the same size as the hot leads .... rated for 200 amps.

Why?

Very few licensed electricians will give the correct answer.

Eisboch

Time share.

You a smart guy.

Eisboch

"John H" wrote in message
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On Fri, 29 May 2009 18:28:01 -0400, "Eisboch"
wrote:



I can wire just about anything. But plumbing and I just don't get along.
I've tried, but I just don't have the knack. Mrs.E. knows not to even
call
for me
if anything to do with water needs fixing in the house or her barn. She
has the plumber's phone number stored in her cell phone.

Eisboch

I figure it's worth giving it a try. If you screw it up, well you were
going to call a plumber anyway.
--
John H


Not me. If the problem was a drip, it will become a flood if I try fixing
it.

Eisboch

Eisboch wrote:

"jim785" wrote in message
...
Eisboch wrote:

"HK" wrote in message
m...
Eisboch wrote:

"HK" wrote in message
m...
wrote:
On May 29, 10:25 am, HK wrote:
wrote:
So, your home electrical system was designed by a
loud-mouthed, drunken,
semi-literate nincompoop, eh?- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
Nope, thank God you and your union slackers were nowhere to be
found... The work got done, and done right.
How would *you* know the job was "done right"?

Pffffttt...


You can "pffffttt" all you like, but it's no substitute for the
cold hard fact that you surely know nothing about wiring a home
properly, or, in fact, much about anything else, either.


House wiring isn't exactly rocket science Harry. There's a good
book for you on on subject at Barnes and Noble entitled, "Home
Wiring for Dummies".

Eisboch



Wiring a home properly requires some knowledge of electricity,
knowledge of wiring, and knowledge of the electrical code. An idiot
like JustHate surely can run wire, but that doesn't mean he really
knows what he is doing or that he does the wiring according to code.


You look it up in a book. Not to insult electricians, but that's
basically all they learn to get a license. Wiring is pretty
straightforward. I have fun "qualifying" licensed electricians
with a simple question.
Assume your house is wired with a 200 ampere service (which is pretty
standard for the average sized home). You have two "hot" legs, a
neutral and ground. The size of each hot leg is sized to handle 200
amperes. That's 200 amps each, or a total of 400 amps. Yet, the
white "neutral" lead is the same size as the hot leads .... rated for
200 amps.

Why?

Very few licensed electricians will give the correct answer.

Eisboch

Time share.

You a smart guy.

Eisboch

As a prize I claim a Sam Adams. (the kind in a bottle)

Don White wrote:
"HK" wrote in message
m...
wrote:

So, your home electrical system was designed by a loud-mouthed, drunken,
semi-literate nincompoop, eh?- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -
Nope, thank God you and your union slackers were nowhere to be
found... The work got done, and done right.

How would *you* know the job was "done right"?


He probably stuck a fork into the plug outlets to test the system.



Probably. WAFDA...

jim785 wrote:
Eisboch wrote:

"HK" wrote in message
m...
wrote:
On May 29, 10:25 am, HK wrote:
wrote:
So, your home electrical system was designed by a loud-mouthed,
drunken,
semi-literate nincompoop, eh?- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
Nope, thank God you and your union slackers were nowhere to be
found... The work got done, and done right.
How would *you* know the job was "done right"?

Pffffttt...


You can "pffffttt" all you like, but it's no substitute for the cold
hard fact that you surely know nothing about wiring a home properly,
or, in fact, much about anything else, either.


House wiring isn't exactly rocket science Harry. There's a good book
for you on on subject at Barnes and Noble entitled, "Home Wiring for
Dummies".

Eisboch

In fact you can legally do your own house wiring in most jurisdictions.

WAFA doesn't have his own house or the ability to run a simple line from
the box.

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On Fri, 29 May 2009 18:16:00 -0400, "Eisboch"
wrote:

Assume your house is wired with a 200 ampere service (which is pretty
standard for the average sized home). You have two "hot" legs, a neutral
and ground. The size of each hot leg is sized to handle 200 amperes.
That's 200 amps each, or a total of 400 amps. Yet, the white "neutral"
lead is the same size as the hot leads .... rated for 200 amps.

Why?

Very few licensed electricians will give the correct answer.

The two ungrounded conductors are opposite ends of a center tapped
transformer and tend to cancel so the neutral only carries the
unbalanced load, max 200 (if one side was totally unloaded)

How did I do ... for a guy with no union card?



Not bad. The two hots are 180 degrees out of phase, so the neutral only
carries the difference between the two. If both hots are drawing exactly
50 amps, the current flowing through the neutral is zero.

Eisboch

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On Fri, 29 May 2009 22:22:16 -0400, "Eisboch"
wrote:


wrote in message
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On Fri, 29 May 2009 18:16:00 -0400, "Eisboch"
wrote:

Assume your house is wired with a 200 ampere service (which is pretty
standard for the average sized home). You have two "hot" legs, a
neutral
and ground. The size of each hot leg is sized to handle 200 amperes.
That's 200 amps each, or a total of 400 amps. Yet, the white "neutral"
lead is the same size as the hot leads .... rated for 200 amps.

Why?

Very few licensed electricians will give the correct answer.

The two ungrounded conductors are opposite ends of a center tapped
transformer and tend to cancel so the neutral only carries the
unbalanced load, max 200 (if one side was totally unloaded)

How did I do ... for a guy with no union card?



Not bad. The two hots are 180 degrees out of phase, so the neutral only
carries the difference between the two. If both hots are drawing exactly
50 amps, the current flowing through the neutral is zero.

Eisboch


OK when does the neutral need to be bigger than the ungrounded
conductors?

3 phase Wye service.

Eisboch