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On Wed, 27 May 2009 09:38:59 -0400, "D.Duck" wrote:

Altough I understand that they won't be printing any more hard cover
dictionaries. I could be wrong though.

It has to weight at least a couple of hundred pounds, and you would
expect it to be the first publication to disappear from print. There
is a much smaller paper edition with tiny print you can't read with
the unaided eye. The CRC would be early into machine format, but I
would expect the paper edition to continue for some time, as it is
affordable and handy.

Casady

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On Thu, 28 May 2009 10:10:59 -0500, Dave Brown
wrote:

jim7856 wrote:
Wouldn't want one of those things within 10 feet of a location that
might have petrol vapours. ( hope I spelled it right for our Canadian
friends)

You're good on the vapour thingie, but what's 'petrol'? ;-)

A bird that walks really fast up and down the beach.
--

John H

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On Wed, 27 May 2009 08:25:22 -0600, "SteveB"
wrote:

A knife switch is just a straight piece of copper that looks like a knife.
On one end it is bolted to two strips of copper so it rotates. On the other
it fits BETWEEN two strips of copper. It is usually bolted on a board or
base. You've probably seen them in electrical panels. Not real common, yet
still used.

The cabin at the lake has fuses and knife switches.

Casady

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Richard Casady wrote:
On Wed, 27 May 2009 08:25:22 -0600, "SteveB"
wrote:

A knife switch is just a straight piece of copper that looks like a knife.
On one end it is bolted to two strips of copper so it rotates. On the other
it fits BETWEEN two strips of copper. It is usually bolted on a board or
base. You've probably seen them in electrical panels. Not real common, yet
still used.

The cabin at the lake has fuses and knife switches.

Casady

I'll bet it has knob and tube wiring as well.

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On Fri, 29 May 2009 04:50:30 -0500, Richard Casady
wrote:

On Wed, 27 May 2009 08:25:22 -0600, "SteveB"
wrote:

A knife switch is just a straight piece of copper that looks like a knife.
On one end it is bolted to two strips of copper so it rotates. On the other
it fits BETWEEN two strips of copper. It is usually bolted on a board or
base. You've probably seen them in electrical panels. Not real common, yet
still used.

The cabin at the lake has fuses and knife switches.

What kind of fuses?
Which knife switch?
Reason I ask is I'm a knife switch collector.
Dabble in fuses just a little.
Ever browse through this?
http://www.filnor.com/tech/literatur...talog-Full.pdf

--Vic

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On Fri, 29 May 2009 06:13:25 -0400, jim785 wrote:

Richard Casady wrote:
On Wed, 27 May 2009 08:25:22 -0600, "SteveB"
wrote:

A knife switch is just a straight piece of copper that looks like a knife.
On one end it is bolted to two strips of copper so it rotates. On the other
it fits BETWEEN two strips of copper. It is usually bolted on a board or
base. You've probably seen them in electrical panels. Not real common, yet
still used.

The cabin at the lake has fuses and knife switches.

Casady

I'll bet it has knob and tube wiring as well.

Fireman's Friends.

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On May 29, 6:52*am, Wizard of Woodstock wrote:
On Fri, 29 May 2009 06:13:25 -0400, jim785 wrote:
Richard Casady wrote:
On Wed, 27 May 2009 08:25:22 -0600, "SteveB"
wrote:

A knife switch is just a straight piece of copper that looks like a knife.
On one end it is bolted to two strips of copper so it rotates. *On the other
it fits BETWEEN two strips of copper. *It is usually bolted on a board or
base. *You've probably seen them in electrical panels. *Not real common, yet
still used.

The cabin at the lake has fuses and knife switches.

Casady

I'll bet it has knob and tube wiring as well.

Fireman's Friends.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Where I lived in western NY there's still a lot of knob and tube
wiring around. It's safe except that now days, people pile insulation
on it, etc. Add to that that when knob and tube was used, the average
house's electrical devices were one small light per room! So, you
overload it, then pile insulation on top of it, and it overheats.

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On Fri, 29 May 2009 05:20:26 -0700 (PDT), wrote:

On May 29, 6:52*am, Wizard of Woodstock wrote:
On Fri, 29 May 2009 06:13:25 -0400, jim785 wrote:
Richard Casady wrote:
On Wed, 27 May 2009 08:25:22 -0600, "SteveB"
wrote:

A knife switch is just a straight piece of copper that looks like a knife.
On one end it is bolted to two strips of copper so it rotates. *On the other
it fits BETWEEN two strips of copper. *It is usually bolted on a board or
base. *You've probably seen them in electrical panels. *Not real common, yet
still used.

The cabin at the lake has fuses and knife switches.

Casady

I'll bet it has knob and tube wiring as well.

Fireman's Friends.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Where I lived in western NY there's still a lot of knob and tube
wiring around. It's safe except that now days, people pile insulation
on it, etc. Add to that that when knob and tube was used, the average
house's electrical devices were one small light per room! So, you
overload it, then pile insulation on top of it, and it overheats.

Oh, there's no doubt about that - but fighting a fire in one of those
old stick built frame two stories is a piece of cake with knob and
tubing - Romex, not so much.

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On Fri, 29 May 2009 06:13:25 -0400, jim785 wrote:

Richard Casady wrote:
On Wed, 27 May 2009 08:25:22 -0600, "SteveB"
wrote:

A knife switch is just a straight piece of copper that looks like a knife.
On one end it is bolted to two strips of copper so it rotates. On the other
it fits BETWEEN two strips of copper. It is usually bolted on a board or
base. You've probably seen them in electrical panels. Not real common, yet
still used.

The cabin at the lake has fuses and knife switches.

Casady

I'll bet it has knob and tube wiring as well.

It has floor outlets that are holes threaded like a standard light
bulb, Turn type light switches. A floor lamp that takes Mazda base
bulbs. Built in 1907.

Casady

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Richard Casady wrote:
On Fri, 29 May 2009 06:13:25 -0400, jim785 wrote:

Richard Casady wrote:
On Wed, 27 May 2009 08:25:22 -0600, "SteveB"
wrote:

A knife switch is just a straight piece of copper that looks like a knife.
On one end it is bolted to two strips of copper so it rotates. On the other
it fits BETWEEN two strips of copper. It is usually bolted on a board or
base. You've probably seen them in electrical panels. Not real common, yet
still used.
The cabin at the lake has fuses and knife switches.

Casady
I'll bet it has knob and tube wiring as well.

It has floor outlets that are holes threaded like a standard light
bulb, Turn type light switches. A floor lamp that takes Mazda base
bulbs. Built in 1907.

Casady

I've seen the surface mounted switches but not the outlets. Mazda based
bulbs? Stuff from that era usually has gas plumbed to wall sconces and
fireplaces. Maybe not in rustic cabins though.

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On May 29, 8:40*am, Wizard of Woodstock wrote:
On Fri, 29 May 2009 05:20:26 -0700 (PDT), wrote:
On May 29, 6:52*am, Wizard of Woodstock wrote:
On Fri, 29 May 2009 06:13:25 -0400, jim785 wrote:
Richard Casady wrote:
On Wed, 27 May 2009 08:25:22 -0600, "SteveB"
wrote:

A knife switch is just a straight piece of copper that looks like a knife.
On one end it is bolted to two strips of copper so it rotates. *On the other
it fits BETWEEN two strips of copper. *It is usually bolted on a board or
base. *You've probably seen them in electrical panels. *Not real common, yet
still used.

The cabin at the lake has fuses and knife switches.

Casady

I'll bet it has knob and tube wiring as well.

Fireman's Friends.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Where I lived in western NY there's still a lot of knob and tube
wiring around. It's safe except that now days, people pile insulation
on it, etc. Add to that that when knob and tube was used, the average
house's electrical devices were one small light per room! So, you
overload it, then pile insulation on top of it, and it overheats.

Oh, there's no doubt about that - but fighting a fire in one of those
old stick built frame two stories is a piece of cake with knob and
tubing - Romex, not so much.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

My brother bought a foreclosure in Hornell, NY, an old railroad town.
It had natural gas lights at first. Then, they ran wiring through
parts of the natural gas piping, and there was knob and tube that
looked like some kid did it!

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On May 29, 9:44*am, wrote:
On May 29, 8:40*am, Wizard of Woodstock wrote:





On Fri, 29 May 2009 05:20:26 -0700 (PDT), wrote:
On May 29, 6:52*am, Wizard of Woodstock wrote:
On Fri, 29 May 2009 06:13:25 -0400, jim785 wrote:
Richard Casady wrote:
On Wed, 27 May 2009 08:25:22 -0600, "SteveB"
wrote:

A knife switch is just a straight piece of copper that looks like a knife.
On one end it is bolted to two strips of copper so it rotates. *On the other
it fits BETWEEN two strips of copper. *It is usually bolted on a board or
base. *You've probably seen them in electrical panels. *Not real common, yet
still used.

The cabin at the lake has fuses and knife switches.

Casady

I'll bet it has knob and tube wiring as well.

Fireman's Friends.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Where I lived in western NY there's still a lot of knob and tube
wiring around. It's safe except that now days, people pile insulation
on it, etc. Add to that that when knob and tube was used, the average
house's electrical devices were one small light per room! So, you
overload it, then pile insulation on top of it, and it overheats.

Oh, there's no doubt about that - but fighting a fire in one of those
old stick built frame two stories is a piece of cake with knob and
tubing - Romex, not so much.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

My brother bought a foreclosure in Hornell, NY, an old railroad town.
It had natural gas lights at first. Then, they ran wiring through
parts of the natural gas piping, and there was knob and tube that
looked like some kid did it!- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

When we bought our home in Essex it was all knob and tube. Took 4 of
us two weeks to rewire the whole house. The weird thing was there was
a 200 amp breakerbox there, apparently put in after a big truck took
the old wires and box out. Seems the old man knew the building
inspector pretty well, got it passed. What a pain in the ass but at
least I know the whole system and got to design it myself...

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On May 29, 10:02*am, HK wrote:
wrote:
On May 29, 9:44 am, wrote:
On May 29, 8:40 am, Wizard of Woodstock wrote:

On Fri, 29 May 2009 05:20:26 -0700 (PDT), wrote:
On May 29, 6:52 am, Wizard of Woodstock wrote:
On Fri, 29 May 2009 06:13:25 -0400, jim785 wrote:
Richard Casady wrote:
On Wed, 27 May 2009 08:25:22 -0600, "SteveB"
wrote:
A knife switch is just a straight piece of copper that looks like a knife.
On one end it is bolted to two strips of copper so it rotates. *On the other
it fits BETWEEN two strips of copper. *It is usually bolted on a board or
base. *You've probably seen them in electrical panels. *Not real common, yet
still used.
The cabin at the lake has fuses and knife switches.
Casady
I'll bet it has knob and tube wiring as well.
Fireman's Friends.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
Where I lived in western NY there's still a lot of knob and tube
wiring around. It's safe except that now days, people pile insulation
on it, etc. Add to that that when knob and tube was used, the average
house's electrical devices were one small light per room! So, you
overload it, then pile insulation on top of it, and it overheats.
Oh, there's no doubt about that - but fighting a fire in one of those
old stick built frame two stories is a piece of cake with knob and
tubing - Romex, not so much.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
My brother bought a foreclosure in Hornell, NY, an old railroad town.
It had natural gas lights at first. Then, they ran wiring through
parts of the natural gas piping, and there was knob and tube that
looked like some kid did it!- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

When we bought our home in Essex it was all knob and tube. Took 4 of
us two weeks to rewire the whole house. The weird thing was there was
a 200 amp breakerbox there, apparently put in after a big truck took
the old wires and box out. Seems the old man knew the building
inspector pretty well, got it passed. What a pain in the ass but at
least I know the whole system and got to design it myself...

So, your home electrical system was designed by a loud-mouthed, drunken,
semi-literate nincompoop, eh?- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Nope, thank God you and your union slackers were nowhere to be
found... The work got done, and done right.

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On May 29, 10:25*am, HK wrote:
wrote:
So, your home electrical system was designed by a loud-mouthed, drunken,
semi-literate nincompoop, eh?- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Nope, thank God you and your union slackers were nowhere to be
found... The work got done, and done right.

How would *you* know the job was "done right"?

Pffffttt...

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On May 29, 10:41*am, HK wrote:
wrote:
On May 29, 10:25 am, HK wrote:
wrote:
So, your home electrical system was designed by a loud-mouthed, drunken,
semi-literate nincompoop, eh?- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
Nope, thank God you and your union slackers were nowhere to be
found... The work got done, and done right.
How would *you* know the job was "done right"?

Pffffttt...

You can "pffffttt" all you like, but it's no substitute for the cold
hard fact that you surely know nothing about wiring a home properly, or,
in fact, much about anything else, either.

Pffffttt...

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"HK" wrote in message
m...
wrote:

So, your home electrical system was designed by a loud-mouthed, drunken,
semi-literate nincompoop, eh?- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Nope, thank God you and your union slackers were nowhere to be
found... The work got done, and done right.


How would *you* know the job was "done right"?


He probably stuck a fork into the plug outlets to test the system.

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On Wed, 27 May 2009 09:04:52 -0700 (PDT), wrote:

On May 27, 11:53*am, Wizard of Woodstock wrote:
On Wed, 27 May 2009 08:25:22 -0600, "SteveB"
wrote:







"Wizard of Woodstock" wrote in message
.. .
On Tue, 26 May 2009 20:06:51 -0600, "SteveB"
wrote:

"Wizard of Woodstock" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 26 May 2009 16:35:27 -0600, "SteveB"
wrote:

I feel like I live on another planet. *Our climate here is such that
corrosion and a lot of factors are not applicable. *Yes, I know it is
good
to have everything fused. *My question was the ease at which the whole
system can be turned off versus the now thing of clamping three
terminals
on
a battery lug with a wing nut.

http://tinyurl.com/pclp2f

TYVM. *The big copper knife switch clonker which had a clamp, then a knife
switch, then another battery post was $38 at NAPA.

Maye I don't fully grasp your definition of "knife" switch.

Are you talking about something like this?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Knife_switch

A knife switch is just a straight piece of copper that looks like a knife.
On one end it is bolted to two strips of copper so it rotates. *On the other
it fits BETWEEN two strips of copper. *It is usually bolted on a board or
base. *You've probably seen them in electrical panels. *Not real common, yet
still used.

http://shop.vetcosurplus.com/catalog...roducts_id=726...

As you can see, this one is much more complicated than the one you
suggested.

Bad idea on several levels.

But do what you will.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

I'd be concerned about corrosion eventually affecting the on
resistance of a open knife switch.

Closed body switches can corrode, and you can't clean the contacts.

Casady

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Richard Casady wrote:
On Wed, 27 May 2009 09:04:52 -0700 (PDT), wrote:

On May 27, 11:53 am, Wizard of Woodstock wrote:
On Wed, 27 May 2009 08:25:22 -0600, "SteveB"
wrote:







"Wizard of Woodstock" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 26 May 2009 20:06:51 -0600, "SteveB"
wrote:
"Wizard of Woodstock" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 26 May 2009 16:35:27 -0600, "SteveB"
wrote:
I feel like I live on another planet. Our climate here is such that
corrosion and a lot of factors are not applicable. Yes, I know it is
good
to have everything fused. My question was the ease at which the whole
system can be turned off versus the now thing of clamping three
terminals
on
a battery lug with a wing nut.
http://tinyurl.com/pclp2f
TYVM. The big copper knife switch clonker which had a clamp, then a knife
switch, then another battery post was $38 at NAPA.
Maye I don't fully grasp your definition of "knife" switch.
Are you talking about something like this?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Knife_switch
A knife switch is just a straight piece of copper that looks like a knife.
On one end it is bolted to two strips of copper so it rotates. On the other
it fits BETWEEN two strips of copper. It is usually bolted on a board or
base. You've probably seen them in electrical panels. Not real common, yet
still used.
http://shop.vetcosurplus.com/catalog...roducts_id=726...
As you can see, this one is much more complicated than the one you
suggested.
Bad idea on several levels.

But do what you will.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -
I'd be concerned about corrosion eventually affecting the on
resistance of a open knife switch.

Closed body switches can corrode, and you can't clean the contacts.

Casady

Marine battery switches are sealed and gasketeted also many have
lubricated contacts. They rarely fail and if they do, are cheap enough
to relace. Why are we still talking about knife switches?

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On May 29, 10:53*am, "Don White" wrote:
"HK" wrote in message

m...

wrote:

So, your home electrical system was designed by a loud-mouthed, drunken,
semi-literate nincompoop, eh?- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Nope, thank God you and your union slackers were nowhere to be
found... The work got done, and done right.

How would *you* know the job was "done right"?

He probably stuck a fork into the plug outlets to test the system.

Why did Harry do that? Is he that stupid?

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On Fri, 29 May 2009 12:35:47 -0400, jim785 wrote:

Why are we still talking about knife switches?

I didn't bring it up. Ours are working fine after a hundred years, so
I haven't given them a lot of thought.

Casady

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"HK" wrote in message
m...
wrote:
On May 29, 10:25 am, HK wrote:
wrote:
So, your home electrical system was designed by a loud-mouthed,
drunken,
semi-literate nincompoop, eh?- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
Nope, thank God you and your union slackers were nowhere to be
found... The work got done, and done right.
How would *you* know the job was "done right"?

Pffffttt...


You can "pffffttt" all you like, but it's no substitute for the cold hard
fact that you surely know nothing about wiring a home properly, or, in
fact, much about anything else, either.


House wiring isn't exactly rocket science Harry. There's a good book for
you on on subject at Barnes and Noble entitled, "Home Wiring for Dummies".

Eisboch

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Eisboch wrote:

"HK" wrote in message
m...
wrote:
On May 29, 10:25 am, HK wrote:
wrote:
So, your home electrical system was designed by a loud-mouthed,
drunken,
semi-literate nincompoop, eh?- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
Nope, thank God you and your union slackers were nowhere to be
found... The work got done, and done right.
How would *you* know the job was "done right"?

Pffffttt...


You can "pffffttt" all you like, but it's no substitute for the cold
hard fact that you surely know nothing about wiring a home properly,
or, in fact, much about anything else, either.


House wiring isn't exactly rocket science Harry. There's a good book
for you on on subject at Barnes and Noble entitled, "Home Wiring for
Dummies".

Eisboch



Wiring a home properly requires some knowledge of electricity, knowledge
of wiring, and knowledge of the electrical code. An idiot like JustHate
surely can run wire, but that doesn't mean he really knows what he is
doing or that he does the wiring according to code.

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Eisboch wrote:

"HK" wrote in message
m...
wrote:
On May 29, 10:25 am, HK wrote:
wrote:
So, your home electrical system was designed by a loud-mouthed,
drunken,
semi-literate nincompoop, eh?- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
Nope, thank God you and your union slackers were nowhere to be
found... The work got done, and done right.
How would *you* know the job was "done right"?

Pffffttt...


You can "pffffttt" all you like, but it's no substitute for the cold
hard fact that you surely know nothing about wiring a home properly,
or, in fact, much about anything else, either.


House wiring isn't exactly rocket science Harry. There's a good book
for you on on subject at Barnes and Noble entitled, "Home Wiring for
Dummies".

Eisboch

In fact you can legally do your own house wiring in most jurisdictions.

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On Fri, 29 May 2009 16:31:26 -0500, Richard Casady
wrote:

On Fri, 29 May 2009 12:35:47 -0400, jim785 wrote:

Why are we still talking about knife switches?

I didn't bring it up. Ours are working fine after a hundred years, so
I haven't given them a lot of thought.

I did. And it was you who got me going.

--Vic

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On Fri, 29 May 2009 17:50:28 -0400, "Eisboch"
wrote:


"HK" wrote in message
om...
wrote:
On May 29, 10:25 am, HK wrote:
wrote:
So, your home electrical system was designed by a loud-mouthed,
drunken,
semi-literate nincompoop, eh?- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
Nope, thank God you and your union slackers were nowhere to be
found... The work got done, and done right.
How would *you* know the job was "done right"?

Pffffttt...

You can "pffffttt" all you like, but it's no substitute for the cold hard
fact that you surely know nothing about wiring a home properly, or, in
fact, much about anything else, either.

House wiring isn't exactly rocket science Harry. There's a good book for
you on on subject at Barnes and Noble entitled, "Home Wiring for Dummies".

Don't you know that only a qualified Union electrical contractor with
only the finest German...

Er...I'm doing it again aren't I?

Sorry.

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"HK" wrote in message
m...
Eisboch wrote:

"HK" wrote in message
m...
wrote:
On May 29, 10:25 am, HK wrote:
wrote:
So, your home electrical system was designed by a loud-mouthed,
drunken,
semi-literate nincompoop, eh?- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
Nope, thank God you and your union slackers were nowhere to be
found... The work got done, and done right.
How would *you* know the job was "done right"?

Pffffttt...


You can "pffffttt" all you like, but it's no substitute for the cold
hard fact that you surely know nothing about wiring a home properly, or,
in fact, much about anything else, either.


House wiring isn't exactly rocket science Harry. There's a good book
for you on on subject at Barnes and Noble entitled, "Home Wiring for
Dummies".

Eisboch



Wiring a home properly requires some knowledge of electricity, knowledge
of wiring, and knowledge of the electrical code. An idiot like JustHate
surely can run wire, but that doesn't mean he really knows what he is
doing or that he does the wiring according to code.


You look it up in a book. Not to insult electricians, but that's basically
all they learn to get a license. Wiring is pretty straightforward. I have
fun "qualifying" licensed electricians with a simple question.
Assume your house is wired with a 200 ampere service (which is pretty
standard for the average sized home). You have two "hot" legs, a neutral
and ground. The size of each hot leg is sized to handle 200 amperes.
That's 200 amps each, or a total of 400 amps. Yet, the white "neutral"
lead is the same size as the hot leads .... rated for 200 amps.

Why?

Very few licensed electricians will give the correct answer.

Eisboch

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On May 29, 6:12*pm, Zombie of Woodstock wrote:
On Fri, 29 May 2009 17:50:28 -0400, "Eisboch"
wrote:







"HK" wrote in message
om...
wrote:
On May 29, 10:25 am, HK wrote:
wrote:
So, your home electrical system was designed by a loud-mouthed,
drunken,
semi-literate nincompoop, eh?- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
Nope, thank God you and your union slackers were nowhere to be
found... The work got done, and done right.
How would *you* know the job was "done right"?

Pffffttt...

You can "pffffttt" all you like, but it's no substitute for the cold hard
fact that you surely know nothing about wiring a home properly, or, in
fact, much about anything else, either.

House wiring isn't exactly rocket science Harry. * There's a good book for
you on on subject at Barnes and Noble entitled, "Home Wiring for Dummies".

Don't you know that only a qualified Union electrical contractor with
only the finest German...

Er...I'm doing it again aren't I?

Sorry.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Nope, go check the code, get a few tools including a good tester and
have at it.. I passed my inspection fine and the Zoning guy is also
the Fire Marshall... Just redid all of the plumbing H+C water and
heat last year too.. I can sweat a pipe like any union slacker...

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wrote in message
...

Nope, go check the code, get a few tools including a good tester and
have at it.. I passed my inspection fine and the Zoning guy is also
the Fire Marshall... Just redid all of the plumbing H+C water and
heat last year too.. I can sweat a pipe like any union slacker...

----------------------------------

I can wire just about anything. But plumbing and I just don't get along.
I've tried, but I just don't have the knack. Mrs.E. knows not to even call
for me
if anything to do with water needs fixing in the house or her barn. She
has the plumber's phone number stored in her cell phone.

Eisboch

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Eisboch wrote:

"HK" wrote in message
m...
Eisboch wrote:

"HK" wrote in message
m...
wrote:
On May 29, 10:25 am, HK wrote:
wrote:
So, your home electrical system was designed by a loud-mouthed,
drunken,
semi-literate nincompoop, eh?- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
Nope, thank God you and your union slackers were nowhere to be
found... The work got done, and done right.
How would *you* know the job was "done right"?

Pffffttt...


You can "pffffttt" all you like, but it's no substitute for the cold
hard fact that you surely know nothing about wiring a home properly,
or, in fact, much about anything else, either.


House wiring isn't exactly rocket science Harry. There's a good
book for you on on subject at Barnes and Noble entitled, "Home Wiring
for Dummies".

Eisboch



Wiring a home properly requires some knowledge of electricity,
knowledge of wiring, and knowledge of the electrical code. An idiot
like JustHate surely can run wire, but that doesn't mean he really
knows what he is doing or that he does the wiring according to code.


You look it up in a book. Not to insult electricians, but that's
basically all they learn to get a license. Wiring is pretty
straightforward. I have fun "qualifying" licensed electricians with a
simple question.
Assume your house is wired with a 200 ampere service (which is pretty
standard for the average sized home). You have two "hot" legs, a
neutral and ground. The size of each hot leg is sized to handle 200
amperes. That's 200 amps each, or a total of 400 amps. Yet, the white
"neutral" lead is the same size as the hot leads .... rated for 200 amps.

Why?

Very few licensed electricians will give the correct answer.

Eisboch

Time share.

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On Fri, 29 May 2009 18:28:01 -0400, "Eisboch"
wrote:


wrote in message
...

Nope, go check the code, get a few tools including a good tester and
have at it.. I passed my inspection fine and the Zoning guy is also
the Fire Marshall... Just redid all of the plumbing H+C water and
heat last year too.. I can sweat a pipe like any union slacker...

----------------------------------

I can wire just about anything. But plumbing and I just don't get along.
I've tried, but I just don't have the knack. Mrs.E. knows not to even call
for me
if anything to do with water needs fixing in the house or her barn. She
has the plumber's phone number stored in her cell phone.

Eisboch

I figure it's worth giving it a try. If you screw it up, well you were
going to call a plumber anyway.
--
John H

"The problem with Socialism is that you eventually run out of other people’s money." --Margaret Thatcher

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"jim785" wrote in message
...
Eisboch wrote:

"HK" wrote in message
m...
Eisboch wrote:

"HK" wrote in message
m...
wrote:
On May 29, 10:25 am, HK wrote:
wrote:
So, your home electrical system was designed by a loud-mouthed,
drunken,
semi-literate nincompoop, eh?- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
Nope, thank God you and your union slackers were nowhere to be
found... The work got done, and done right.
How would *you* know the job was "done right"?

Pffffttt...


You can "pffffttt" all you like, but it's no substitute for the cold
hard fact that you surely know nothing about wiring a home properly,
or, in fact, much about anything else, either.


House wiring isn't exactly rocket science Harry. There's a good book
for you on on subject at Barnes and Noble entitled, "Home Wiring for
Dummies".

Eisboch



Wiring a home properly requires some knowledge of electricity, knowledge
of wiring, and knowledge of the electrical code. An idiot like JustHate
surely can run wire, but that doesn't mean he really knows what he is
doing or that he does the wiring according to code.


You look it up in a book. Not to insult electricians, but that's
basically all they learn to get a license. Wiring is pretty
straightforward. I have fun "qualifying" licensed electricians with a
simple question.
Assume your house is wired with a 200 ampere service (which is pretty
standard for the average sized home). You have two "hot" legs, a
neutral and ground. The size of each hot leg is sized to handle 200
amperes. That's 200 amps each, or a total of 400 amps. Yet, the white
"neutral" lead is the same size as the hot leads .... rated for 200 amps.

Why?

Very few licensed electricians will give the correct answer.

Eisboch

Time share.

You a smart guy.

Eisboch

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"John H" wrote in message
...

On Fri, 29 May 2009 18:28:01 -0400, "Eisboch"
wrote:



I can wire just about anything. But plumbing and I just don't get along.
I've tried, but I just don't have the knack. Mrs.E. knows not to even
call
for me
if anything to do with water needs fixing in the house or her barn. She
has the plumber's phone number stored in her cell phone.

Eisboch

I figure it's worth giving it a try. If you screw it up, well you were
going to call a plumber anyway.
--
John H


Not me. If the problem was a drip, it will become a flood if I try fixing
it.

Eisboch

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Eisboch wrote:

"jim785" wrote in message
...
Eisboch wrote:

"HK" wrote in message
m...
Eisboch wrote:

"HK" wrote in message
m...
wrote:
On May 29, 10:25 am, HK wrote:
wrote:
So, your home electrical system was designed by a
loud-mouthed, drunken,
semi-literate nincompoop, eh?- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
Nope, thank God you and your union slackers were nowhere to be
found... The work got done, and done right.
How would *you* know the job was "done right"?

Pffffttt...


You can "pffffttt" all you like, but it's no substitute for the
cold hard fact that you surely know nothing about wiring a home
properly, or, in fact, much about anything else, either.


House wiring isn't exactly rocket science Harry. There's a good
book for you on on subject at Barnes and Noble entitled, "Home
Wiring for Dummies".

Eisboch



Wiring a home properly requires some knowledge of electricity,
knowledge of wiring, and knowledge of the electrical code. An idiot
like JustHate surely can run wire, but that doesn't mean he really
knows what he is doing or that he does the wiring according to code.


You look it up in a book. Not to insult electricians, but that's
basically all they learn to get a license. Wiring is pretty
straightforward. I have fun "qualifying" licensed electricians
with a simple question.
Assume your house is wired with a 200 ampere service (which is pretty
standard for the average sized home). You have two "hot" legs, a
neutral and ground. The size of each hot leg is sized to handle 200
amperes. That's 200 amps each, or a total of 400 amps. Yet, the
white "neutral" lead is the same size as the hot leads .... rated for
200 amps.

Why?

Very few licensed electricians will give the correct answer.

Eisboch

Time share.

You a smart guy.

Eisboch

As a prize I claim a Sam Adams. (the kind in a bottle)

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Don White wrote:
"HK" wrote in message
m...
wrote:

So, your home electrical system was designed by a loud-mouthed, drunken,
semi-literate nincompoop, eh?- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -
Nope, thank God you and your union slackers were nowhere to be
found... The work got done, and done right.

How would *you* know the job was "done right"?


He probably stuck a fork into the plug outlets to test the system.



Probably. WAFDA...

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jim785 wrote:
Eisboch wrote:

"HK" wrote in message
m...
wrote:
On May 29, 10:25 am, HK wrote:
wrote:
So, your home electrical system was designed by a loud-mouthed,
drunken,
semi-literate nincompoop, eh?- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
Nope, thank God you and your union slackers were nowhere to be
found... The work got done, and done right.
How would *you* know the job was "done right"?

Pffffttt...


You can "pffffttt" all you like, but it's no substitute for the cold
hard fact that you surely know nothing about wiring a home properly,
or, in fact, much about anything else, either.


House wiring isn't exactly rocket science Harry. There's a good book
for you on on subject at Barnes and Noble entitled, "Home Wiring for
Dummies".

Eisboch

In fact you can legally do your own house wiring in most jurisdictions.

WAFA doesn't have his own house or the ability to run a simple line from
the box.

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wrote in message
...
On Fri, 29 May 2009 18:16:00 -0400, "Eisboch"
wrote:

Assume your house is wired with a 200 ampere service (which is pretty
standard for the average sized home). You have two "hot" legs, a neutral
and ground. The size of each hot leg is sized to handle 200 amperes.
That's 200 amps each, or a total of 400 amps. Yet, the white "neutral"
lead is the same size as the hot leads .... rated for 200 amps.

Why?

Very few licensed electricians will give the correct answer.

The two ungrounded conductors are opposite ends of a center tapped
transformer and tend to cancel so the neutral only carries the
unbalanced load, max 200 (if one side was totally unloaded)

How did I do ... for a guy with no union card?



Not bad. The two hots are 180 degrees out of phase, so the neutral only
carries the difference between the two. If both hots are drawing exactly
50 amps, the current flowing through the neutral is zero.

Eisboch

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wrote in message
...
On Fri, 29 May 2009 22:22:16 -0400, "Eisboch"
wrote:


wrote in message
. ..
On Fri, 29 May 2009 18:16:00 -0400, "Eisboch"
wrote:

Assume your house is wired with a 200 ampere service (which is pretty
standard for the average sized home). You have two "hot" legs, a
neutral
and ground. The size of each hot leg is sized to handle 200 amperes.
That's 200 amps each, or a total of 400 amps. Yet, the white "neutral"
lead is the same size as the hot leads .... rated for 200 amps.

Why?

Very few licensed electricians will give the correct answer.

The two ungrounded conductors are opposite ends of a center tapped
transformer and tend to cancel so the neutral only carries the
unbalanced load, max 200 (if one side was totally unloaded)

How did I do ... for a guy with no union card?



Not bad. The two hots are 180 degrees out of phase, so the neutral only
carries the difference between the two. If both hots are drawing exactly
50 amps, the current flowing through the neutral is zero.

Eisboch


OK when does the neutral need to be bigger than the ungrounded
conductors?

3 phase Wye service.

Eisboch