http://www.guardian.co.uk/environmen...-hybrid-france

I like this idea.

Wizard of Woodstock wrote:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/environmen...-hybrid-france

I like this idea.

Powered by politicians?

On May 14, 8:57*pm, BAR wrote:
Wizard of Woodstock wrote:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/environmen...owered-car-hyb...

I like this idea.

Powered by politicians?

Recycling hot air....

On Thu, 14 May 2009 21:57:38 -0400, BAR wrote:

Wizard of Woodstock wrote:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/environmen...-hybrid-france

I like this idea.

Powered by politicians?

No, a hair dryer.

On May 14, 10:29*pm, jps wrote:
On Thu, 14 May 2009 21:57:38 -0400, BAR wrote:
Wizard of Woodstock wrote:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/environmen...owered-car-hyb....

I like this idea.

Powered by politicians?

No, a hair dryer.

Blagojevich was backing it?

Wizard of Woodstock wrote:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/environmen...-hybrid-france

I like this idea.

As with the liberal political agenda, this guy is extremely short
sighted. He is looking at a minor point in the energy system. How is
he going to compress the air, with a bicycle pump? He will have to plug
an air pump into the electricity energy system to compress the air tanks
on the car.

Batteries and air tanks are storage devices, without nuclear energy for
electricity we will never have sufficient energy in the system to
replace the energy from coal and gasoline.

Windmills have been tried and were rejected several hundreds of years
ago, because they are dependent on the weather. Anyone who has sailed
knows the fickleness of the wind. One minute you are becalmed, the next
you have a tornado or hurricane.

On Fri, 15 May 2009 09:10:12 -0400, Keith Nuttle
wrote:

Windmills have been tried and were rejected several hundreds of years
ago, because they are dependent on the weather

What utter bull****. Windmills have been in constant use ever since
they were invented. The state of Iowa gets 5% of its juice from wind,
BTW.
Now tell us farming was rejected because it is dependent on the
weather.

Casady

Richard Casady wrote:
On Fri, 15 May 2009 09:10:12 -0400, Keith Nuttle
wrote:

Windmills have been tried and were rejected several hundreds of years
ago, because they are dependent on the weather

What utter bull****. Windmills have been in constant use ever since
they were invented. The state of Iowa gets 5% of its juice from wind,
BTW.
Now tell us farming was rejected because it is dependent on the
weather.

How do you increase the power output of a windmill, right now?

How do you generate power from a windmill on a dead calm day?

Windmill's are unreliable for on-demand and controllable power.

On Fri, 15 May 2009 11:30:59 -0400, BAR wrote:

Richard Casady wrote:
On Fri, 15 May 2009 09:10:12 -0400, Keith Nuttle
wrote:

Windmills have been tried and were rejected several hundreds of years
ago, because they are dependent on the weather

What utter bull****. Windmills have been in constant use ever since
they were invented. The state of Iowa gets 5% of its juice from wind,
BTW.
Now tell us farming was rejected because it is dependent on the
weather.

How do you increase the power output of a windmill, right now?

How do you generate power from a windmill on a dead calm day?

Windmill's are unreliable for on-demand and controllable power.

I don't know the details, but I've read that one solution to the
"storage" problem that is being used - maybe in Australia - is pumping
water uphill when demand is low then releasing through generators when
needed.
Doesn't seem very scalable.

--Vic

Vic Smith wrote:
On Fri, 15 May 2009 11:30:59 -0400, BAR wrote:

Richard Casady wrote:
On Fri, 15 May 2009 09:10:12 -0400, Keith Nuttle
wrote:

Windmills have been tried and were rejected several hundreds of years
ago, because they are dependent on the weather
What utter bull****. Windmills have been in constant use ever since
they were invented. The state of Iowa gets 5% of its juice from wind,
BTW.
Now tell us farming was rejected because it is dependent on the
weather.
How do you increase the power output of a windmill, right now?

How do you generate power from a windmill on a dead calm day?

Windmill's are unreliable for on-demand and controllable power.

I don't know the details, but I've read that one solution to the
"storage" problem that is being used - maybe in Australia - is pumping
water uphill when demand is low then releasing through generators when
needed.
Doesn't seem very scalable.

It looks good on paper. What do you do about the loss of energy
potential due to evaporation?