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Vic Smith wrote:
On Fri, 15 May 2009 11:30:59 -0400, BAR wrote: Richard Casady wrote: On Fri, 15 May 2009 09:10:12 -0400, Keith Nuttle wrote: Windmills have been tried and were rejected several hundreds of years ago, because they are dependent on the weather What utter bull****. Windmills have been in constant use ever since they were invented. The state of Iowa gets 5% of its juice from wind, BTW. Now tell us farming was rejected because it is dependent on the weather. How do you increase the power output of a windmill, right now? How do you generate power from a windmill on a dead calm day? Windmill's are unreliable for on-demand and controllable power. I don't know the details, but I've read that one solution to the "storage" problem that is being used - maybe in Australia - is pumping water uphill when demand is low then releasing through generators when needed. Doesn't seem very scalable. --Vic Many dams in the US are currently doing that very thing. I believe the one at Smith Mountain Virgina has been doing it for over 30 years. |
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On Fri, 15 May 2009 12:56:46 -0400, wrote:
They have hills in Iowa? ;-) That's presents a problem, doesn't it? --Vic |
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On Fri, 15 May 2009 11:30:59 -0400, BAR wrote:
Windmill's are unreliable for on-demand and controllable power. So is the power company, for that matter. Casady |
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Richard Casady wrote:
On Fri, 15 May 2009 11:30:59 -0400, BAR wrote: Windmill's are unreliable for on-demand and controllable power. So is the power company, for that matter. Over the past year the power company has provided me with power 99.5% of the time. The .5% of the time that we didn't have power about 750,000 other people in my area didn't have power either, massive ice and wind storm. |
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"BAR" wrote in message ... Richard Casady wrote: On Fri, 15 May 2009 09:10:12 -0400, Keith Nuttle wrote: Windmills have been tried and were rejected several hundreds of years ago, because they are dependent on the weather What utter bull****. Windmills have been in constant use ever since they were invented. The state of Iowa gets 5% of its juice from wind, BTW. Now tell us farming was rejected because it is dependent on the weather. How do you increase the power output of a windmill, right now? How do you generate power from a windmill on a dead calm day? Windmill's are unreliable for on-demand and controllable power. PG&E has been doing pumped water power storage for a lot of years. Maybe more than my lifetime. The Pit River power stations use the excess power from Shasta Dam during the night to pump water back up to the top reservoir. There was a big plant built in the southern Sierras about 40 years ago. I think it is still in use. Large tunnel when being built had an industrial disaster when scaffolding collapsed killing some workers. Due to water flow requirements, there is excess power in the middle of the night, so they use it to store kinetic energy in the pumped power plants. http://www.reuters.com/article/rbssI...33931720090504 |
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wrote in message ... On Fri, 15 May 2009 11:35:57 -0700, "Calif Bill" wrote: PG&E has been doing pumped water power storage for a lot of years. Maybe more than my lifetime. The Pit River power stations use the excess power from Shasta Dam during the night to pump water back up to the top reservoir. There was a big plant built in the southern Sierras about 40 years ago. I think it is still in use. Large tunnel when being built had an industrial disaster when scaffolding collapsed killing some workers. Due to water flow requirements, there is excess power in the middle of the night, so they use it to store kinetic energy in the pumped power plants. http://www.reuters.com/article/rbssI...33931720090504 I think that is just because you guys are out of "free" water coming down from the mountain. It does take away a lot of the efficiency of a falling water system when you have to pump it back up the hill. It is the water that has to flow from the dam to provide the subsidized water for subsidized crops in the desert. |
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Richard Casady wrote:
On Fri, 15 May 2009 09:10:12 -0400, Keith Nuttle wrote: Windmills have been tried and were rejected several hundreds of years ago, because they are dependent on the weather What utter bull****. Windmills have been in constant use ever since they were invented. The state of Iowa gets 5% of its juice from wind, BTW. Now tell us farming was rejected because it is dependent on the weather. Casady It use to be that you would drive through the midwest and every farm had a windmill in operation. How many have you seen today. We have recently driven across North Carolina, both Virginias, Kentucky, and Indiana and not seen one windmill. |
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"Keith Nuttle" wrote in message news Richard Casady wrote: On Fri, 15 May 2009 09:10:12 -0400, Keith Nuttle wrote: Windmills have been tried and were rejected several hundreds of years ago, because they are dependent on the weather What utter bull****. Windmills have been in constant use ever since they were invented. The state of Iowa gets 5% of its juice from wind, BTW. Now tell us farming was rejected because it is dependent on the weather. Casady It use to be that you would drive through the midwest and every farm had a windmill in operation. How many have you seen today. We have recently driven across North Carolina, both Virginias, Kentucky, and Indiana and not seen one windmill. Just on tonights local news... a supermarket just spent $400k to install a wind turbine cabable of providing 25% of it's electricity needs (equal to about 25 homes) The things seem to be catching on here. |
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