The First 100 Days...
 

So far, President Obama

â–º Ordered the closing of the Bush-Cheney torture facility at Guantanamo
Bay, Cuba.

â–º Ordered the closing of the Bush-Cheney overseas Gulags (so-called
"black sites").

â–º Banned the use of torture.

â–º Suspended Military tribunals of foreign detainees.

â–º Orders the withdraw of combat forces from Iraq by August 2010, with
the residual force, between 35,000 to 50,000 leaving by December 2011.

â–º Passes $787 BILLION Jobs-Stimulus bill.

â–º Signed $32.8 billion bill for the State Children's Health Insurance
Program, known as SCHIP, extending health care to 4 million uninsured
children. A bill vetoed various times by Bush.

â–º Told AFL-CIO union leaders in a videotaped address that the Employee
Free Choice Act WILL PASS, pledging his administration’s FULL support.

â–º Overturned Bush administration's limits on embryonic stem cell research.

â–º Budgets $634 billion over 10 years as a down payment on health care
insurance.

â–º Cancels government contract with Blackwater Mercenaries.

► Voids George W. Bush’s so-called "signing statements".

â–º Addressing Turkey's Grand National Assembly, President Obama states
the United States "is not and never will be at war with Islam."
Signaling a thaw, the story is carried on the front page of Tehran’s
daily newspapers.

â–º Begins changing of U.S. policy towards Cuba.

â–º Announced the US will engage in direct group talks with Iran aimed at
ending Tehran's nuclear program, marking another shift from former
Bush's policy.

â–º Signed Lilly Ledbetter Act, making it easier for women and others to
sue for pay discrimination, even if the discrimination has prevailed for
years, even decades.

â–º Cancelled Bush decision to allow oil-shale development on federal land
in Colorado, Utah and Wyoming.

â–º Cancelled Bush decision allowing oil and gas drilling in parcels near
national parks in Utah.

â–º Started a $75 billion plan to help 9 million struggling homeowners
avoid foreclosure, offering refinanced mortgages or modified loans with
lower monthly payments.

â–º Announces plans to drastically cut the world's nuclear arsenal.

â–º Began negotiations to reduce nuclear arms with Russia.

â–º Persuades G-20 to open $1.4 trillion fund to restore international credit.

â–º EPA moves, for the first time, to regulate carbon dioxide and other
greenhouse gases that scientists blame for the warming of the planet.



(Partial list swiped from KOS)

The First 100 Days...
 

"HK" wrote in message
m...
So far, President Obama

â–º Ordered the closing of the Bush-Cheney torture facility at Guantanamo
Bay, Cuba.

â–º Ordered the closing of the Bush-Cheney overseas Gulags (so-called "black
sites").

â–º Banned the use of torture.

â–º Suspended Military tribunals of foreign detainees.

â–º Orders the withdraw of combat forces from Iraq by August 2010, with the
residual force, between 35,000 to 50,000 leaving by December 2011.

â–º Passes $787 BILLION Jobs-Stimulus bill.

â–º Signed $32.8 billion bill for the State Children's Health Insurance
Program, known as SCHIP, extending health care to 4 million uninsured
children. A bill vetoed various times by Bush.

â–º Told AFL-CIO union leaders in a videotaped address that the Employee
Free Choice Act WILL PASS, pledging his administration’s FULL support.

â–º Overturned Bush administration's limits on embryonic stem cell research.

â–º Budgets $634 billion over 10 years as a down payment on health care
insurance.

â–º Cancels government contract with Blackwater Mercenaries.

► Voids George W. Bush’s so-called "signing statements".

â–º Addressing Turkey's Grand National Assembly, President Obama states the
United States "is not and never will be at war with Islam." Signaling a
thaw, the story is carried on the front page of Tehran’s daily newspapers.

â–º Begins changing of U.S. policy towards Cuba.

â–º Announced the US will engage in direct group talks with Iran aimed at
ending Tehran's nuclear program, marking another shift from former Bush's
policy.

â–º Signed Lilly Ledbetter Act, making it easier for women and others to sue
for pay discrimination, even if the discrimination has prevailed for
years, even decades.

â–º Cancelled Bush decision to allow oil-shale development on federal land
in Colorado, Utah and Wyoming.

â–º Cancelled Bush decision allowing oil and gas drilling in parcels near
national parks in Utah.

â–º Started a $75 billion plan to help 9 million struggling homeowners avoid
foreclosure, offering refinanced mortgages or modified loans with lower
monthly payments.

â–º Announces plans to drastically cut the world's nuclear arsenal.

â–º Began negotiations to reduce nuclear arms with Russia.

â–º Persuades G-20 to open $1.4 trillion fund to restore international
credit.

â–º EPA moves, for the first time, to regulate carbon dioxide and other
greenhouse gases that scientists blame for the warming of the planet.



(Partial list swiped from KOS)



Is this good or bad?

Many will see this list as a glowing list of positive accomplishments.
Others will view it with grave concern.
Some will pick and choose.
Right now the country, as a whole, is equally divided in terms of whether we
are going in the right direction or not.

Eisboch

The First 100 Days...
 

Eisboch wrote:

"HK" wrote in message
m...
So far, President Obama

â–º Ordered the closing of the Bush-Cheney torture facility at
Guantanamo Bay, Cuba.

â–º Ordered the closing of the Bush-Cheney overseas Gulags (so-called
"black sites").

â–º Banned the use of torture.

â–º Suspended Military tribunals of foreign detainees.

â–º Orders the withdraw of combat forces from Iraq by August 2010, with
the residual force, between 35,000 to 50,000 leaving by December 2011.

â–º Passes $787 BILLION Jobs-Stimulus bill.

â–º Signed $32.8 billion bill for the State Children's Health Insurance
Program, known as SCHIP, extending health care to 4 million uninsured
children. A bill vetoed various times by Bush.

â–º Told AFL-CIO union leaders in a videotaped address that the Employee
Free Choice Act WILL PASS, pledging his administration’s FULL support.

â–º Overturned Bush administration's limits on embryonic stem cell
research.

â–º Budgets $634 billion over 10 years as a down payment on health care
insurance.

â–º Cancels government contract with Blackwater Mercenaries.

► Voids George W. Bush’s so-called "signing statements".

â–º Addressing Turkey's Grand National Assembly, President Obama states
the United States "is not and never will be at war with Islam."
Signaling a thaw, the story is carried on the front page of Tehran’s
daily newspapers.

â–º Begins changing of U.S. policy towards Cuba.

â–º Announced the US will engage in direct group talks with Iran aimed
at ending Tehran's nuclear program, marking another shift from former
Bush's policy.

â–º Signed Lilly Ledbetter Act, making it easier for women and others to
sue for pay discrimination, even if the discrimination has prevailed
for years, even decades.

â–º Cancelled Bush decision to allow oil-shale development on federal
land in Colorado, Utah and Wyoming.

â–º Cancelled Bush decision allowing oil and gas drilling in parcels
near national parks in Utah.

â–º Started a $75 billion plan to help 9 million struggling homeowners
avoid foreclosure, offering refinanced mortgages or modified loans
with lower monthly payments.

â–º Announces plans to drastically cut the world's nuclear arsenal.

â–º Began negotiations to reduce nuclear arms with Russia.

â–º Persuades G-20 to open $1.4 trillion fund to restore international
credit.

â–º EPA moves, for the first time, to regulate carbon dioxide and other
greenhouse gases that scientists blame for the warming of the planet.



(Partial list swiped from KOS)



Is this good or bad?

Many will see this list as a glowing list of positive accomplishments.
Others will view it with grave concern.
Some will pick and choose.
Right now the country, as a whole, is equally divided in terms of
whether we are going in the right direction or not.

Eisboch


We supported and voted for Obama, and think the list is pretty good so
far, with a lot left to do. One would expect those whose candidates lost
to be less happy with some of what is on the list.

Equally divided as to right direction is a great improvement over the
last year of the Bush Administration, and the number of those who
believe we are moving in the right direction is rising.

The First 100 Days...
 

"HK" wrote in message
m...
Eisboch wrote:

"HK" wrote in message
m...
So far, President Obama

â–º Ordered the closing of the Bush-Cheney torture facility at Guantanamo
Bay, Cuba.

â–º Ordered the closing of the Bush-Cheney overseas Gulags (so-called
"black sites").

â–º Banned the use of torture.

â–º Suspended Military tribunals of foreign detainees.

â–º Orders the withdraw of combat forces from Iraq by August 2010, with
the residual force, between 35,000 to 50,000 leaving by December 2011.

â–º Passes $787 BILLION Jobs-Stimulus bill.

â–º Signed $32.8 billion bill for the State Children's Health Insurance
Program, known as SCHIP, extending health care to 4 million uninsured
children. A bill vetoed various times by Bush.

â–º Told AFL-CIO union leaders in a videotaped address that the Employee
Free Choice Act WILL PASS, pledging his administration’s FULL support.

â–º Overturned Bush administration's limits on embryonic stem cell
research.

â–º Budgets $634 billion over 10 years as a down payment on health care
insurance.

â–º Cancels government contract with Blackwater Mercenaries.

► Voids George W. Bush’s so-called "signing statements".

â–º Addressing Turkey's Grand National Assembly, President Obama states
the United States "is not and never will be at war with Islam."
Signaling a thaw, the story is carried on the front page of Tehran’s
daily newspapers.

â–º Begins changing of U.S. policy towards Cuba.

â–º Announced the US will engage in direct group talks with Iran aimed at
ending Tehran's nuclear program, marking another shift from former
Bush's policy.

â–º Signed Lilly Ledbetter Act, making it easier for women and others to
sue for pay discrimination, even if the discrimination has prevailed for
years, even decades.

â–º Cancelled Bush decision to allow oil-shale development on federal land
in Colorado, Utah and Wyoming.

â–º Cancelled Bush decision allowing oil and gas drilling in parcels near
national parks in Utah.

â–º Started a $75 billion plan to help 9 million struggling homeowners
avoid foreclosure, offering refinanced mortgages or modified loans with
lower monthly payments.

â–º Announces plans to drastically cut the world's nuclear arsenal.

â–º Began negotiations to reduce nuclear arms with Russia.

â–º Persuades G-20 to open $1.4 trillion fund to restore international
credit.

â–º EPA moves, for the first time, to regulate carbon dioxide and other
greenhouse gases that scientists blame for the warming of the planet.



(Partial list swiped from KOS)



Is this good or bad?

Many will see this list as a glowing list of positive accomplishments.
Others will view it with grave concern.
Some will pick and choose.
Right now the country, as a whole, is equally divided in terms of whether
we are going in the right direction or not.

Eisboch


We supported and voted for Obama, and think the list is pretty good so
far, with a lot left to do. One would expect those whose candidates lost
to be less happy with some of what is on the list.

Equally divided as to right direction is a great improvement over the last
year of the Bush Administration, and the number of those who believe we
are moving in the right direction is rising.


I don't think too many people are displeased or disapprove of Obama. He
enjoys a very high approval rating.
However, it's *him* that is approved of. He has a great personality, sense
of humor and acts "presidential".
The concerns aren't with him as a person. The concerns are the policies and
economic programs his administration is pursuing with the support of a
Democratically controlled Congress. That's what concerns me anyway. We
simply can't afford it.

Eisboch

The First 100 Days...
 

Eisboch wrote:

"HK" wrote in message
m...
Eisboch wrote:

"HK" wrote in message
m...
So far, President Obama

â–º Ordered the closing of the Bush-Cheney torture facility at
Guantanamo Bay, Cuba.

â–º Ordered the closing of the Bush-Cheney overseas Gulags (so-called
"black sites").

â–º Banned the use of torture.

â–º Suspended Military tribunals of foreign detainees.

â–º Orders the withdraw of combat forces from Iraq by August 2010,
with the residual force, between 35,000 to 50,000 leaving by
December 2011.

â–º Passes $787 BILLION Jobs-Stimulus bill.

â–º Signed $32.8 billion bill for the State Children's Health
Insurance Program, known as SCHIP, extending health care to 4
million uninsured children. A bill vetoed various times by Bush.

â–º Told AFL-CIO union leaders in a videotaped address that the
Employee Free Choice Act WILL PASS, pledging his administration’s
FULL support.

â–º Overturned Bush administration's limits on embryonic stem cell
research.

â–º Budgets $634 billion over 10 years as a down payment on health
care insurance.

â–º Cancels government contract with Blackwater Mercenaries.

► Voids George W. Bush’s so-called "signing statements".

â–º Addressing Turkey's Grand National Assembly, President Obama
states the United States "is not and never will be at war with
Islam." Signaling a thaw, the story is carried on the front page of
Tehran’s daily newspapers.

â–º Begins changing of U.S. policy towards Cuba.

â–º Announced the US will engage in direct group talks with Iran aimed
at ending Tehran's nuclear program, marking another shift from
former Bush's policy.

â–º Signed Lilly Ledbetter Act, making it easier for women and others
to sue for pay discrimination, even if the discrimination has
prevailed for years, even decades.

â–º Cancelled Bush decision to allow oil-shale development on federal
land in Colorado, Utah and Wyoming.

â–º Cancelled Bush decision allowing oil and gas drilling in parcels
near national parks in Utah.

â–º Started a $75 billion plan to help 9 million struggling homeowners
avoid foreclosure, offering refinanced mortgages or modified loans
with lower monthly payments.

â–º Announces plans to drastically cut the world's nuclear arsenal.

â–º Began negotiations to reduce nuclear arms with Russia.

â–º Persuades G-20 to open $1.4 trillion fund to restore international
credit.

â–º EPA moves, for the first time, to regulate carbon dioxide and
other greenhouse gases that scientists blame for the warming of the
planet.



(Partial list swiped from KOS)



Is this good or bad?

Many will see this list as a glowing list of positive accomplishments.
Others will view it with grave concern.
Some will pick and choose.
Right now the country, as a whole, is equally divided in terms of
whether we are going in the right direction or not.

Eisboch


We supported and voted for Obama, and think the list is pretty good so
far, with a lot left to do. One would expect those whose candidates
lost to be less happy with some of what is on the list.

Equally divided as to right direction is a great improvement over the
last year of the Bush Administration, and the number of those who
believe we are moving in the right direction is rising.


I don't think too many people are displeased or disapprove of Obama. He
enjoys a very high approval rating.
However, it's *him* that is approved of. He has a great personality,
sense of humor and acts "presidential".
The concerns aren't with him as a person. The concerns are the policies
and economic programs his administration is pursuing with the support of
a Democratically controlled Congress. That's what concerns me anyway.
We simply can't afford it.

Eisboch


I can understand your concerns. They concern me, too. The problem is, to
me a least, that the last president too long ignored the real needs of
this country while pumping billions and trillions into wasteful
expenditures that fueled warmongering.

The GOP seems unable to find a reasonable and responsible direction and
become the loyal opposition with plans and programs of its own to help
solve the horrific problems we have. Saying NO to just about everything,
chasing out elected Republican officials, and name-calling the two
Republican Senators from Maine makes me wonder if the GOP cares about
anything real.

The First 100 Days...
 

"HK" wrote in message
m...


I can understand your concerns. They concern me, too. The problem is, to
me a least, that the last president too long ignored the real needs of
this country while pumping billions and trillions into wasteful
expenditures that fueled warmongering.

The GOP seems unable to find a reasonable and responsible direction and
become the loyal opposition with plans and programs of its own to help
solve the horrific problems we have. Saying NO to just about everything,
chasing out elected Republican officials, and name-calling the two
Republican Senators from Maine makes me wonder if the GOP cares about
anything real.


I am hopeful that an intelligent and thoughtful conservative will emerge who
can effectively debate and influence
some of the run-a-way spending programs we are on now. We need some balance
and not name calling.
A check and balance safety net that prevents one ideology from getting too
carried away has always been the strength of the USA.

Running a hundred miles an hour in the opposite direction doesn't
necessarily fix any problems.

Eisboch

The First 100 Days...
 

On Wed, 29 Apr 2009 17:54:24 -0400, HK wrote:


I can understand your concerns. They concern me, too. The problem is, to
me a least, that the last president too long ignored the real needs of
this country while pumping billions and trillions into wasteful
expenditures that fueled warmongering.

The GOP seems unable to find a reasonable and responsible direction and
become the loyal opposition with plans and programs of its own to help
solve the horrific problems we have. Saying NO to just about everything,
chasing out elected Republican officials, and name-calling the two
Republican Senators from Maine makes me wonder if the GOP cares about
anything real.

From your lips to the Governor of Utah. Who'd have thought...

In an interview with ABC News, Utah Gov. Jon Huntsman (R) blasted
Republicans in Congress for not engaging with President Obama.

Said Huntsman: "You can't just say no. You can't just obstruct or
obfuscate. Instead of just kind of grousing and complaining, it would
do us all a whole lot of good if we actually started engaging directly
in finding compromises and common ground and shared solutions... When
you are devoid of the ideas, or the content that would allow you to
articulate or paint a better future, you have no choice other than to
fall back on 'no, we are not going support it, it cannot be done."

It seems Huntsman is intent on positioning himself as a possible
moderate Republican candidate for president in 2012.

The First 100 Days...
 

On Wed, 29 Apr 2009 18:12:25 -0400, "Eisboch"
wrote:


"HK" wrote in message
om...


I can understand your concerns. They concern me, too. The problem is, to
me a least, that the last president too long ignored the real needs of
this country while pumping billions and trillions into wasteful
expenditures that fueled warmongering.

The GOP seems unable to find a reasonable and responsible direction and
become the loyal opposition with plans and programs of its own to help
solve the horrific problems we have. Saying NO to just about everything,
chasing out elected Republican officials, and name-calling the two
Republican Senators from Maine makes me wonder if the GOP cares about
anything real.


I am hopeful that an intelligent and thoughtful conservative will emerge who
can effectively debate and influence
some of the run-a-way spending programs we are on now. We need some balance
and not name calling.
A check and balance safety net that prevents one ideology from getting too
carried away has always been the strength of the USA.

Running a hundred miles an hour in the opposite direction doesn't
necessarily fix any problems.

Eisboch

When Obama came through Seattle on his book tour, he gave a brief talk
at Benaroya Hall, home of our symphony.

Your point about our form of government being stable was among his
topics. He said that no matter how bad it gets (referring to Bush)
it'll never go so bad as to fail. And in the same regard, no matter
how hard we try to push in the other direction, there'll always be
that counter balance that won't allow too radical a shift.

His approach to bipartisanship was what attracted me the most. He was
commited to trying to find issues that all Americans could agree
needed attention so that we could work together and find better ways
to discuss our differences.

I guess you know how far that's gotten...

The First 100 Days...
 

Eisboch wrote:

"HK" wrote in message
m...
Eisboch wrote:

"HK" wrote in message
m...
So far, President Obama

â–º Ordered the closing of the Bush-Cheney torture facility at
Guantanamo Bay, Cuba.

â–º Ordered the closing of the Bush-Cheney overseas Gulags (so-called
"black sites").

â–º Banned the use of torture.

â–º Suspended Military tribunals of foreign detainees.

â–º Orders the withdraw of combat forces from Iraq by August 2010,
with the residual force, between 35,000 to 50,000 leaving by
December 2011.

â–º Passes $787 BILLION Jobs-Stimulus bill.

â–º Signed $32.8 billion bill for the State Children's Health
Insurance Program, known as SCHIP, extending health care to 4
million uninsured children. A bill vetoed various times by Bush.

â–º Told AFL-CIO union leaders in a videotaped address that the
Employee Free Choice Act WILL PASS, pledging his administration’s
FULL support.

â–º Overturned Bush administration's limits on embryonic stem cell
research.

â–º Budgets $634 billion over 10 years as a down payment on health
care insurance.

â–º Cancels government contract with Blackwater Mercenaries.

► Voids George W. Bush’s so-called "signing statements".

â–º Addressing Turkey's Grand National Assembly, President Obama
states the United States "is not and never will be at war with
Islam." Signaling a thaw, the story is carried on the front page of
Tehran’s daily newspapers.

â–º Begins changing of U.S. policy towards Cuba.

â–º Announced the US will engage in direct group talks with Iran aimed
at ending Tehran's nuclear program, marking another shift from
former Bush's policy.

â–º Signed Lilly Ledbetter Act, making it easier for women and others
to sue for pay discrimination, even if the discrimination has
prevailed for years, even decades.

â–º Cancelled Bush decision to allow oil-shale development on federal
land in Colorado, Utah and Wyoming.

â–º Cancelled Bush decision allowing oil and gas drilling in parcels
near national parks in Utah.

â–º Started a $75 billion plan to help 9 million struggling homeowners
avoid foreclosure, offering refinanced mortgages or modified loans
with lower monthly payments.

â–º Announces plans to drastically cut the world's nuclear arsenal.

â–º Began negotiations to reduce nuclear arms with Russia.

â–º Persuades G-20 to open $1.4 trillion fund to restore international
credit.

â–º EPA moves, for the first time, to regulate carbon dioxide and
other greenhouse gases that scientists blame for the warming of the
planet.



(Partial list swiped from KOS)



Is this good or bad?

Many will see this list as a glowing list of positive accomplishments.
Others will view it with grave concern.
Some will pick and choose.
Right now the country, as a whole, is equally divided in terms of
whether we are going in the right direction or not.

Eisboch


We supported and voted for Obama, and think the list is pretty good so
far, with a lot left to do. One would expect those whose candidates
lost to be less happy with some of what is on the list.

Equally divided as to right direction is a great improvement over the
last year of the Bush Administration, and the number of those who
believe we are moving in the right direction is rising.


I don't think too many people are displeased or disapprove of Obama. He
enjoys a very high approval rating.
However, it's *him* that is approved of. He has a great personality,
sense of humor and acts "presidential".
The concerns aren't with him as a person. The concerns are the policies
and economic programs his administration is pursuing with the support of
a Democratically controlled Congress. That's what concerns me anyway.
We simply can't afford it.

Eisboch

I believe that one British newspaper described obama recent political
tour of Europe as the most successful since Napoleon's retreat from
Moscow. You have not heard about his successes among the Europeans
governments.

My biggest problem with the man is that you cannot trust what he says.
Every time he opens his mouth he contradicts what he has told you
previously. For example he said he would give everybody a tax cut, some
people have not started to receive it yet and he is taking out of the
budget.

Up until the third debate he was making a big thing about talking to
anyone any where with out conditions. He contradicted that during the
debate

obama say that President Bush's deficit 450b was bad and turn around and
pass a budget with a deficit that is three that or about 1.3t. They
removed the story but the government debit will increase for 11t to 17t
under obama.

The man will go down in history as the first black president. However
his extremely negative attitude will never get him a place in history,
and he will be rated down there with I-did-not-have-sex-with-that-lady
Clinton and Carter whose most newsworthy event was when he was attacked
by the rabbit.

The First 100 Days...
 

On Wed, 29 Apr 2009 18:54:05 -0400, Keith Nuttle
wrote:

I believe that one British newspaper described obama recent political
tour of Europe as the most successful since Napoleon's retreat from
Moscow. You have not heard about his successes among the Europeans
governments.

Yes, Fox News equivalents exist elsewhere.

The First 100 Days...
 

"jps" wrote in message
...

His approach to bipartisanship was what attracted me the most. He was
commited to trying to find issues that all Americans could agree
needed attention so that we could work together and find better ways
to discuss our differences.

I guess you know how far that's gotten...


One of the problems with political "outsiders" (includes Obama, IMO) is
that they arrive in Washington DC full of idealism and grand illusions of
changing the status quo.

It usually doesn't take long before the WashDC influence starts kicking in
and idealism goes out the window in favor of survival.

Obama's off to a good start in terms of getting his ideas in the pipeline,
but he has limited time.

Eisboch

The First 100 Days...
 

"Keith Nuttle" wrote in message
...


My biggest problem with the man is that you cannot trust what he says.
Every time he opens his mouth he contradicts what he has told you
previously. For example he said he would give everybody a tax cut, some
people have not started to receive it yet and he is taking out of the
budget.


Apparently the tax cuts are in effect. I don't have an income, so I didn't
notice, but my youngest son, less than two years out of the Navy and just
getting started in his civilian career (and not earning a big paycheck yet)
got just under 10 bucks more a week in his paycheck starting this month.
His current income is in the very low middle class range.

Unfortunately, that 10 bucks is going to more than absorbed by the several
tax increases being implimented by the state, so he's no better off.

Eisboch

The First 100 Days...
 

"Eisboch" wrote in message
...

"Keith Nuttle" wrote in message
...


My biggest problem with the man is that you cannot trust what he says.
Every time he opens his mouth he contradicts what he has told you
previously. For example he said he would give everybody a tax cut, some
people have not started to receive it yet and he is taking out of the
budget.


Apparently the tax cuts are in effect. I don't have an income, so I
didn't notice, but my youngest son, less than two years out of the Navy
and just getting started in his civilian career (and not earning a big
paycheck yet) got just under 10 bucks more a week in his paycheck starting
this month. His current income is in the very low middle class range.

Unfortunately, that 10 bucks is going to more than absorbed by the several
tax increases being implimented by the state, so he's no better off.

Eisboch


hee hee...that sounds like up here.
Everytime the Feds lower taxes, the province jumps in with higher user fees
for everything.

The First 100 Days...
 

jps wrote:
On Wed, 29 Apr 2009 17:54:24 -0400, HK wrote:


I can understand your concerns. They concern me, too. The problem is, to
me a least, that the last president too long ignored the real needs of
this country while pumping billions and trillions into wasteful
expenditures that fueled warmongering.

The GOP seems unable to find a reasonable and responsible direction and
become the loyal opposition with plans and programs of its own to help
solve the horrific problems we have. Saying NO to just about everything,
chasing out elected Republican officials, and name-calling the two
Republican Senators from Maine makes me wonder if the GOP cares about
anything real.

From your lips to the Governor of Utah. Who'd have thought...

In an interview with ABC News, Utah Gov. Jon Huntsman (R) blasted
Republicans in Congress for not engaging with President Obama.

Said Huntsman: "You can't just say no. You can't just obstruct or
obfuscate. Instead of just kind of grousing and complaining, it would
do us all a whole lot of good if we actually started engaging directly
in finding compromises and common ground and shared solutions... When
you are devoid of the ideas, or the content that would allow you to
articulate or paint a better future, you have no choice other than to
fall back on 'no, we are not going support it, it cannot be done."

It seems Huntsman is intent on positioning himself as a possible
moderate Republican candidate for president in 2012.


The GOP structure doesn't want a moderate anything.

The First 100 Days...
 

On Wed, 29 Apr 2009 19:09:35 -0400, "Eisboch"
wrote:


"jps" wrote in message
.. .

His approach to bipartisanship was what attracted me the most. He was
commited to trying to find issues that all Americans could agree
needed attention so that we could work together and find better ways
to discuss our differences.

I guess you know how far that's gotten...


One of the problems with political "outsiders" (includes Obama, IMO) is
that they arrive in Washington DC full of idealism and grand illusions of
changing the status quo.

It usually doesn't take long before the WashDC influence starts kicking in
and idealism goes out the window in favor of survival.

Obama's off to a good start in terms of getting his ideas in the pipeline,
but he has limited time.

Eisboch

Agreed.

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On Wed, 29 Apr 2009 19:20:07 -0400, "Eisboch"
wrote:


"Keith Nuttle" wrote in message
. ..


My biggest problem with the man is that you cannot trust what he says.
Every time he opens his mouth he contradicts what he has told you
previously. For example he said he would give everybody a tax cut, some
people have not started to receive it yet and he is taking out of the
budget.


Apparently the tax cuts are in effect. I don't have an income, so I didn't
notice, but my youngest son, less than two years out of the Navy and just
getting started in his civilian career (and not earning a big paycheck yet)
got just under 10 bucks more a week in his paycheck starting this month.
His current income is in the very low middle class range.

Unfortunately, that 10 bucks is going to more than absorbed by the several
tax increases being implimented by the state, so he's no better off.

Eisboch

Once the changes went into effect, an employee making $75K saw a $40
increase on a bi-weekly basis -- enough to fill the fuel tank every
couple of weeks.

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Eisboch wrote:

"Keith Nuttle" wrote in message
...


My biggest problem with the man is that you cannot trust what he says.
Every time he opens his mouth he contradicts what he has told you
previously. For example he said he would give everybody a tax cut,
some people have not started to receive it yet and he is taking out of
the budget.


Apparently the tax cuts are in effect. I don't have an income, so I
didn't notice, but my youngest son, less than two years out of the Navy
and just getting started in his civilian career (and not earning a big
paycheck yet) got just under 10 bucks more a week in his paycheck
starting this month. His current income is in the very low middle class
range.

Unfortunately, that 10 bucks is going to more than absorbed by the
several tax increases being implimented by the state, so he's no better
off.

Is that a tax cut or a reduction in withholding? There has been no law
passed for the former but an order has been given to the IRS to reduce
the latter. All it is,s an illusion. If the tax cut legislation doesn't
pass there will be an even bigger tea party April 15th 2010.

The First 100 Days...
 

"BAR" wrote in message
...
Eisboch wrote:

"Keith Nuttle" wrote in message
...


My biggest problem with the man is that you cannot trust what he says.
Every time he opens his mouth he contradicts what he has told you
previously. For example he said he would give everybody a tax cut, some
people have not started to receive it yet and he is taking out of the
budget.


Apparently the tax cuts are in effect. I don't have an income, so I
didn't notice, but my youngest son, less than two years out of the Navy
and just getting started in his civilian career (and not earning a big
paycheck yet) got just under 10 bucks more a week in his paycheck
starting this month. His current income is in the very low middle class
range.

Unfortunately, that 10 bucks is going to more than absorbed by the
several tax increases being implimented by the state, so he's no better
off.

Is that a tax cut or a reduction in withholding? There has been no law
passed for the former but an order has been given to the IRS to reduce the
latter. All it is,s an illusion. If the tax cut legislation doesn't pass
there will be an even bigger tea party April 15th 2010.


Reduction is withholding *is* the "tax cut".

Eisboch

The First 100 Days...
 

Eisboch wrote:

"BAR" wrote in message
...
Eisboch wrote:

"Keith Nuttle" wrote in message
...


My biggest problem with the man is that you cannot trust what he
says. Every time he opens his mouth he contradicts what he has told
you previously. For example he said he would give everybody a tax
cut, some people have not started to receive it yet and he is taking
out of the budget.


Apparently the tax cuts are in effect. I don't have an income, so I
didn't notice, but my youngest son, less than two years out of the
Navy and just getting started in his civilian career (and not earning
a big paycheck yet) got just under 10 bucks more a week in his
paycheck starting this month. His current income is in the very low
middle class range.

Unfortunately, that 10 bucks is going to more than absorbed by the
several tax increases being implimented by the state, so he's no
better off.

Is that a tax cut or a reduction in withholding? There has been no law
passed for the former but an order has been given to the IRS to reduce
the latter. All it is,s an illusion. If the tax cut legislation
doesn't pass there will be an even bigger tea party April 15th 2010.


Reduction is withholding *is* the "tax cut".

I think I'll submit a W4 today and give my self an even bigger tax cut.

The First 100 Days...
 

Eisboch wrote:

"BAR" wrote in message
...
Eisboch wrote:

"Keith Nuttle" wrote in message
...


My biggest problem with the man is that you cannot trust what he
says. Every time he opens his mouth he contradicts what he has told
you previously. For example he said he would give everybody a tax
cut, some people have not started to receive it yet and he is taking
out of the budget.


Apparently the tax cuts are in effect. I don't have an income, so I
didn't notice, but my youngest son, less than two years out of the
Navy and just getting started in his civilian career (and not earning
a big paycheck yet) got just under 10 bucks more a week in his
paycheck starting this month. His current income is in the very low
middle class range.

Unfortunately, that 10 bucks is going to more than absorbed by the
several tax increases being implimented by the state, so he's no
better off.

Is that a tax cut or a reduction in withholding? There has been no law
passed for the former but an order has been given to the IRS to reduce
the latter. All it is,s an illusion. If the tax cut legislation
doesn't pass there will be an even bigger tea party April 15th 2010.


Reduction is withholding *is* the "tax cut".

Eisboch

What slime ball passed that off as a tax cut. What it amounts to is a
smaller refund or taller tax bill at tax time. Are we going to be seeing
this sort of crap for the next 3 years 265 days?

The First 100 Days...
 

On Thu, 30 Apr 2009 09:04:06 -0400, BAR wrote:

Eisboch wrote:

"BAR" wrote in message
...
Eisboch wrote:

"Keith Nuttle" wrote in message
...


My biggest problem with the man is that you cannot trust what he
says. Every time he opens his mouth he contradicts what he has told
you previously. For example he said he would give everybody a tax
cut, some people have not started to receive it yet and he is taking
out of the budget.


Apparently the tax cuts are in effect. I don't have an income, so I
didn't notice, but my youngest son, less than two years out of the
Navy and just getting started in his civilian career (and not earning
a big paycheck yet) got just under 10 bucks more a week in his
paycheck starting this month. His current income is in the very low
middle class range.

Unfortunately, that 10 bucks is going to more than absorbed by the
several tax increases being implimented by the state, so he's no
better off.

Is that a tax cut or a reduction in withholding? There has been no law
passed for the former but an order has been given to the IRS to reduce
the latter. All it is,s an illusion. If the tax cut legislation
doesn't pass there will be an even bigger tea party April 15th 2010.


Reduction is withholding *is* the "tax cut".

I think I'll submit a W4 today and give my self an even bigger tax cut.

You're both talking out of your asses. It's a tax cut and the
withholding is reflective of the lower tax rate.

Bush is the one who gave people their own money in advance.

I didn't hear you bitching back then.

The First 100 Days...
 

jps wrote:
On Thu, 30 Apr 2009 09:04:06 -0400, BAR wrote:

Eisboch wrote:
"BAR" wrote in message
...
Eisboch wrote:
"Keith Nuttle" wrote in message
...

My biggest problem with the man is that you cannot trust what he
says. Every time he opens his mouth he contradicts what he has told
you previously. For example he said he would give everybody a tax
cut, some people have not started to receive it yet and he is taking
out of the budget.

Apparently the tax cuts are in effect. I don't have an income, so I
didn't notice, but my youngest son, less than two years out of the
Navy and just getting started in his civilian career (and not earning
a big paycheck yet) got just under 10 bucks more a week in his
paycheck starting this month. His current income is in the very low
middle class range.

Unfortunately, that 10 bucks is going to more than absorbed by the
several tax increases being implimented by the state, so he's no
better off.
Is that a tax cut or a reduction in withholding? There has been no law
passed for the former but an order has been given to the IRS to reduce
the latter. All it is,s an illusion. If the tax cut legislation
doesn't pass there will be an even bigger tea party April 15th 2010.

Reduction is withholding *is* the "tax cut".
I think I'll submit a W4 today and give my self an even bigger tax cut.

You're both talking out of your asses. It's a tax cut and the
withholding is reflective of the lower tax rate.

Bush is the one who gave people their own money in advance.

I didn't hear you bitching back then.
President Bush provide real tax cuts, what do you think pelosi is
talking about letting expire. These tax cuts were enacted before the
democrats took over congress.

The First 100 Days...
 

On Thu, 30 Apr 2009 11:25:25 -0400, Keith Nuttle
wrote:

jps wrote:
On Thu, 30 Apr 2009 09:04:06 -0400, BAR wrote:

Eisboch wrote:
"BAR" wrote in message
...
Eisboch wrote:
"Keith Nuttle" wrote in message
...

My biggest problem with the man is that you cannot trust what he
says. Every time he opens his mouth he contradicts what he has told
you previously. For example he said he would give everybody a tax
cut, some people have not started to receive it yet and he is taking
out of the budget.

Apparently the tax cuts are in effect. I don't have an income, so I
didn't notice, but my youngest son, less than two years out of the
Navy and just getting started in his civilian career (and not earning
a big paycheck yet) got just under 10 bucks more a week in his
paycheck starting this month. His current income is in the very low
middle class range.

Unfortunately, that 10 bucks is going to more than absorbed by the
several tax increases being implimented by the state, so he's no
better off.
Is that a tax cut or a reduction in withholding? There has been no law
passed for the former but an order has been given to the IRS to reduce
the latter. All it is,s an illusion. If the tax cut legislation
doesn't pass there will be an even bigger tea party April 15th 2010.

Reduction is withholding *is* the "tax cut".
I think I'll submit a W4 today and give my self an even bigger tax cut.

You're both talking out of your asses. It's a tax cut and the
withholding is reflective of the lower tax rate.

Bush is the one who gave people their own money in advance.

I didn't hear you bitching back then.
President Bush provide real tax cuts, what do you think pelosi is
talking about letting expire. These tax cuts were enacted before the
democrats took over congress.

For billionaires, which they still enjoy. They will expire.

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On Thu, 30 Apr 2009 09:59:17 -0700 (PDT), "~^ beancounter ~^"
wrote:

what's comerade hussein hiding & why?

Your hat needs some adjusting.

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"jim78565" wrote in message
...
Eisboch wrote:

"BAR" wrote in message
...
Eisboch wrote:

"Keith Nuttle" wrote in message
...


My biggest problem with the man is that you cannot trust what he says.
Every time he opens his mouth he contradicts what he has told you
previously. For example he said he would give everybody a tax cut,
some people have not started to receive it yet and he is taking out of
the budget.


Apparently the tax cuts are in effect. I don't have an income, so I
didn't notice, but my youngest son, less than two years out of the Navy
and just getting started in his civilian career (and not earning a big
paycheck yet) got just under 10 bucks more a week in his paycheck
starting this month. His current income is in the very low middle class
range.

Unfortunately, that 10 bucks is going to more than absorbed by the
several tax increases being implimented by the state, so he's no better
off.

Is that a tax cut or a reduction in withholding? There has been no law
passed for the former but an order has been given to the IRS to reduce
the latter. All it is,s an illusion. If the tax cut legislation doesn't
pass there will be an even bigger tea party April 15th 2010.


Reduction is withholding *is* the "tax cut".

Eisboch

What slime ball passed that off as a tax cut. What it amounts to is a
smaller refund or taller tax bill at tax time. Are we going to be seeing
this sort of crap for the next 3 years 265 days?

It's officially called tax credit. The lower withholding that some folks
are seeing is a result of it.

The First 100 Days...
 

D.Duck wrote:
"jim78565" wrote in message
...
Eisboch wrote:
"BAR" wrote in message
...
Eisboch wrote:
"Keith Nuttle" wrote in message
...

My biggest problem with the man is that you cannot trust what he says.
Every time he opens his mouth he contradicts what he has told you
previously. For example he said he would give everybody a tax cut,
some people have not started to receive it yet and he is taking out of
the budget.

Apparently the tax cuts are in effect. I don't have an income, so I
didn't notice, but my youngest son, less than two years out of the Navy
and just getting started in his civilian career (and not earning a big
paycheck yet) got just under 10 bucks more a week in his paycheck
starting this month. His current income is in the very low middle class
range.

Unfortunately, that 10 bucks is going to more than absorbed by the
several tax increases being implimented by the state, so he's no better
off.
Is that a tax cut or a reduction in withholding? There has been no law
passed for the former but an order has been given to the IRS to reduce
the latter. All it is,s an illusion. If the tax cut legislation doesn't
pass there will be an even bigger tea party April 15th 2010.

Reduction is withholding *is* the "tax cut".

Eisboch
What slime ball passed that off as a tax cut. What it amounts to is a
smaller refund or taller tax bill at tax time. Are we going to be seeing
this sort of crap for the next 3 years 265 days?

It's officially called tax credit. The lower withholding that some folks
are seeing is a result of it.



Anything that infuriates the mound of **** known here as FloridaJim is
worth doing...over and over and over and over.

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Keith Nuttle wrote:
jps wrote:
On Thu, 30 Apr 2009 09:04:06 -0400, BAR wrote:

Eisboch wrote:
"BAR" wrote in message
...
Eisboch wrote:
"Keith Nuttle" wrote in message
...

My biggest problem with the man is that you cannot trust what he
says. Every time he opens his mouth he contradicts what he has
told you previously. For example he said he would give everybody
a tax cut, some people have not started to receive it yet and he
is taking out of the budget.

Apparently the tax cuts are in effect. I don't have an income,
so I didn't notice, but my youngest son, less than two years out
of the Navy and just getting started in his civilian career (and
not earning a big paycheck yet) got just under 10 bucks more a
week in his paycheck starting this month. His current income is in
the very low middle class range.

Unfortunately, that 10 bucks is going to more than absorbed by the
several tax increases being implimented by the state, so he's no
better off.
Is that a tax cut or a reduction in withholding? There has been no
law passed for the former but an order has been given to the IRS to
reduce the latter. All it is,s an illusion. If the tax cut
legislation doesn't pass there will be an even bigger tea party
April 15th 2010.

Reduction is withholding *is* the "tax cut".
I think I'll submit a W4 today and give my self an even bigger tax cut.

You're both talking out of your asses. It's a tax cut and the
withholding is reflective of the lower tax rate.

Bush is the one who gave people their own money in advance.

I didn't hear you bitching back then.
President Bush provide real tax cuts, what do you think pelosi is
talking about letting expire. These tax cuts were enacted before the
democrats took over congress.

I'm still waiting for the marriage penalty to be repealed. The tax
penalty part of it.

The First 100 Days...
 

Eisboch wrote:

"jps" wrote in message
...

You're both talking out of your asses. It's a tax cut and the
withholding is reflective of the lower tax rate.


Why am I "talking out of my ass?" That's what I said.

Both of you need to do a bit more research. It is going to be like I
said a rude awakening on April 15th 2010.

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/INSIDE...1434.html?.v=1