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19 April 2009: Even as average Americans were planning to get out in
towns and cities to demonstrate against Big Government and Big Taxes, Federal Bureau of Intelligence Investigation (FBI) surveillance was being unleashed upon them. In fact, unsuspecting Tax Day TEA Party participants were being closely watched during the demonstration planning stages in a covert operation that began on or about March 23, 2009. If you one of the estimated 750,000 Americans who attended one of about 600 TEA parties last week, you might have seen media cameras covering the event. Media cameras, however, were not the only cameras taking video at these events, something that has at least one current FBI agent concerned over the future of America. According to this agent - the same agent who provided the Northeast Intelligence Network (NEIN) exclusively the unreleased photographs of the 11 missing Egyptian students who were the subject of a FBI BOLO in August 2006–placed his concerns for true patriots of the U.S. over his own career when he confided that covert surveillance was “planned and performed” at each of the TEA parties that took place last Tuesday. “Listen to what I am saying,” stated the source during an interview with Doug Hagmann, founder (NEIN). “The Department of Homeland Security Intelligence Assessment that is receiving so much attention is just the tip of the proverbial iceberg, and the true patriotic citizens of this country are on the Titanic. This is what bothers me. But is goes far beyond that assessment. There have been very significant changes made over the last few years that redirect the focus and assets of the intelligence community internally. These changes have greatly accelerated under this administration, and the threats have been redefined to include those who used to be patriots. It’s not only chilling but absolutely insulting to God-fearing Americans.” According to this unimpeachable source, a single-page confidential directive issued by the FBI headquarters in Washington, DC (FBIHQ) was sent to each of the 56 field offices located across the United States on or about March 23, 2009, instructing the Special Agents in Charge (SACs) of those offices to verify the date, time and location of each TEA Party within their region and supply that information to FBI headquarters in Washington. The source stated this correspondence termed the TEA parties “political demonstrations,” and added that the dissemination of the directive was very tightly controlled. “Not all agents were privy to this correspondence,” stated the source, who compared the dissemination to an older “Do Not File” classification. In addition to obtaining or confirming the location and time of each “demonstration,” each field office was instructed to obtain or confirm the identity of the individual(s) involved in the actual planning and coordination of the event in each specific region, and include the local or regional Internet web site address, if any. The information collected by region was then reportedly sent to FBI Headquarters. The source alleges that a second directive was issued on or about April 6, 2009 that reportedly instructed each SAC to coordinate and conduct, either at the field office level and/or with the appropriate resident agency, covert video surveillance and data collection of the participants of the TEA parties. Surveillance was to be performed from “discreet fixed or mobile positions” and was to be performed “independently and outside of the purview of local law enforcement.” Although the level of detail collected from each operation is unclear, the information was reportedly submitted to Washington, where, “at the level of the National Security Branch (NSB), this information was to “include the office of the Directorate of Intelligence (DI), and integrated with a restricted access database, one that reportedly is accessible to only two agencies” [of the 14 agencies that comprise the U.S. intelligence community, according to the source. “The implications to the citizens of the U.S. are ominous. It seems that there is a hostile political agenda coming from Washington that characterizes the supporters of our constitutional freedoms as threats to our domestic security, which is totally absurd. The redirection, the refocusing of domestic threats from al Qaeda cells to ‘flag waving right-wingers’ is something that has gone from a murmur a few years ago to a roar today.” Training government-issued cameras on ordinary citizens, many of whom brought their children to an estimated 600 Tax Day TEA Parties is a page torn out of George Orwell’s 1984 and makes the term “God Bless America” more meaningful than ever. The Northeast Intelligence Network and Canada Free Press expect the government’s denial of the surveillance of the TEA Parties to go viral as soon as this story is posted. All the while real violent students are constantly forcing opposing speakers from the stages of campuses all over the country. Just last week Tom Tancredo (sp?) was forced off a stage with the aid and comfort of professors and administrators.. It's just nuts.. |
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On Sun, 19 Apr 2009 20:04:29 -0700, justwaitafrekinminute wrote:
All the while real violent students are constantly forcing opposing speakers from the stages of campuses all over the country. Just last week Tom Tancredo (sp?) was forced off a stage with the aid and comfort of professors and administrators.. It's just nuts.. Scotty, where the hell have you been all your adult life? If you take to the streets to protest, I guarantee you will be watched. This sort of thing has been going on since J.Edgar Hoover. Did you think it was going to stop because Obama became President? File under the FIA, and check out the snaps they took of you. Come to think of it, I should do the same. I'm sure there must be some of my smiling face buried under inches of dust and cobwebs. |
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Don White wrote:
wrote in message ... 19 April 2009: Even as average Americans were planning to get out in towns and cities to demonstrate against Big Government and Big Taxes, Federal Bureau of Intelligence Investigation (FBI) surveillance was being unleashed upon them. In fact, unsuspecting Tax Day TEA Party participants were being closely watched during the demonstration planning stages in a covert operation that began on or about March 23, 2009. If you one of the estimated 750,000 Americans who attended one of about 600 TEA parties last week, you might have seen media cameras covering the event. Media cameras, however, were not the only cameras taking video at these events, something that has at least one current FBI agent concerned over the future of America. According to this agent - the same agent who provided the Northeast Intelligence Network (NEIN) exclusively the unreleased photographs of the 11 missing Egyptian students who were the subject of a FBI BOLO in August 2006–placed his concerns for true patriots of the U.S. over his own career when he confided that covert surveillance was “planned and performed” at each of the TEA parties that took place last Tuesday. snip.... ************************************************** ******************* What are you worried about? Who would want videos of an overage hippie with a ponytail? JustHate is drinking sterno again. The reports of the crowds at the GOP-Fox News teabaggings national wide number 250,000-300,000 max, for all of them. By next week, of course, it will be remembered by GOP's as the Million Man Teabagging. |
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On Apr 20, 12:34*am, thunder wrote:
On Sun, 19 Apr 2009 20:04:29 -0700, justwaitafrekinminute wrote: All the while real violent students are constantly forcing opposing speakers from the stages of campuses all over the country. Just last week Tom Tancredo (sp?) was forced off a stage with the aid and comfort of professors and administrators.. It's just nuts.. Scotty, where the hell have you been all your adult life? *If you take to the streets to protest, I guarantee you will be watched. *This sort of thing has been going on since J.Edgar Hoover. *Did you think it was going to stop because Obama became President? *File under the FIA, and check out the snaps they took of you. *Come to think of it, I should do the same. *I'm sure there must be some of my smiling face buried under inches of dust and cobwebs. Funny, the same liberal asses that were whining about their phone calls being monitored are now apologists for the Obama administration. The lies and the monitoring of patriotic Americans is suddenly OK because their guy is doing it. Can you say "two-faced"? I knew you could. |
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On Apr 19, 11:04*pm, wrote:
19 April 2009: Even as average Americans were planning to get out in towns and cities to demonstrate against Big Government and Big Taxes, Federal Bureau of Intelligence Investigation (FBI) surveillance was being unleashed upon them. *In fact, unsuspecting Tax Day TEA Party participants were being closely watched during the demonstration planning stages in a covert operation that began on or about March 23, 2009. If you one of the estimated 750,000 Americans who attended one of about 600 TEA parties last week, you might have seen media cameras covering the event. Media cameras, however, were not the only cameras taking video at these events, something *that *has at least one current FBI agent concerned over the future of America. According to this agent - the same agent who provided the Northeast Intelligence Network (NEIN) exclusively the unreleased photographs of the 11 missing Egyptian students who were the subject of a FBI BOLO in August 2006–placed his concerns for true patriots of the U.S. over his own career when he confided that covert surveillance was “planned and performed” at each of the TEA parties that took place last Tuesday. “Listen to what I am saying,” stated the source during an interview with Doug Hagmann, *founder (NEIN). *“The Department of Homeland Security Intelligence Assessment that is receiving so much attention is just the tip of the proverbial iceberg, and the true patriotic citizens of this country are on the Titanic. This is what bothers me. But is goes far beyond that assessment. There have been very significant changes made over the last few years that redirect the focus and assets of the intelligence community internally. These changes have greatly accelerated under this administration, and the threats have been redefined to include those who used to be patriots. It’s not only chilling but absolutely insulting to God-fearing Americans.” According to this unimpeachable source, a single-page confidential directive issued by the FBI headquarters in Washington, DC (FBIHQ) was sent to each of the 56 field offices located across the United States on or about March 23, 2009, instructing the Special Agents in Charge (SACs) of those offices to verify the date, time and location of each TEA Party within their region and supply that information to FBI headquarters in Washington. The source stated this correspondence termed the TEA parties “political demonstrations,” and added that the dissemination of the directive was very tightly controlled. “Not all agents were privy to this correspondence,” stated the source, who compared the dissemination to an older “Do Not File” classification. In addition to obtaining or confirming the location and time of each “demonstration,” each field office was instructed to obtain or confirm the identity of the individual(s) involved in the actual planning and coordination of the event in each specific region, and include the local or regional Internet web site address, if any. *The information collected by region was then reportedly sent to FBI Headquarters. The source alleges that a second directive was issued on or about April 6, *2009 that reportedly instructed each SAC to coordinate and conduct, either at the field office level and/or with the appropriate resident agency, covert video surveillance and data collection of the participants of the TEA parties. *Surveillance was to be performed from “discreet fixed or mobile positions” and was to be performed “independently and outside of the purview of local law enforcement.” Although the level of detail collected from each operation is unclear, the information was reportedly submitted to Washington, where, “at the level of the National Security Branch (NSB), this information was to “include the office of the Directorate of Intelligence (DI), and integrated with a restricted access database, one that reportedly is accessible to only two agencies” [of the 14 agencies that comprise the U.S. intelligence community, according to the source. “The implications to the citizens of the U.S. are ominous. It seems that there is a hostile political agenda coming from Washington that characterizes the supporters of our constitutional freedoms as threats to our domestic security, which is totally absurd. The redirection, the refocusing of domestic threats from al Qaeda cells to ‘flag waving right-wingers’ is something that has gone from a murmur a few years ago to a roar today.” Training government-issued cameras on ordinary citizens, *many of whom brought their children to an estimated 600 Tax Day TEA Parties is a page torn out of George Orwell’s 1984 *and makes the term “God Bless America” more meaningful than ever. The Northeast Intelligence Network and Canada Free Press expect the government’s denial of the surveillance of the TEA Parties to go viral as soon as this story is posted. All the while real violent students are constantly forcing opposing speakers from the stages of campuses all over the country. Just last week Tom Tancredo (sp?) was forced off a stage with the aid and comfort of professors and administrators.. It's just nuts.. You seem to have forgotten all of your civil rights that Bush took away under his "terrorist" mantra. http://www.broowaha.com/article.php?id=3802 |
More civil rights smashed by the Obamanation...
wrote in message ... 19 April 2009: Even as average Americans were planning to get out in towns and cities to demonstrate against Big Government and Big Taxes, Federal Bureau of Intelligence Investigation (FBI) surveillance was being unleashed upon them. In fact, unsuspecting Tax Day TEA Party participants were being closely watched during the demonstration planning stages in a covert operation that began on or about March 23, 2009. If you one of the estimated 750,000 Americans who attended one of about 600 TEA parties last week, you might have seen media cameras covering the event. Media cameras, however, were not the only cameras taking video at these events, something that has at least one current FBI agent concerned over the future of America. According to this agent - the same agent who provided the Northeast Intelligence Network (NEIN) exclusively the unreleased photographs of the 11 missing Egyptian students who were the subject of a FBI BOLO in August 2006–placed his concerns for true patriots of the U.S. over his own career when he confided that covert surveillance was “planned and performed” at each of the TEA parties that took place last Tuesday. snip.... ************************************************** ******************* What are you worried about? Who would want videos of an overage hippie with a ponytail? |
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On Apr 20, 10:11*am, "Don White" wrote:
wrote in message ... 19 April 2009: Even as average Americans were planning to get out in towns and cities to demonstrate against Big Government and Big Taxes, Federal Bureau of Intelligence Investigation (FBI) surveillance was being unleashed upon them. *In fact, unsuspecting Tax Day TEA Party participants were being closely watched during the demonstration planning stages in a covert operation that began on or about March 23, 2009. If you one of the estimated 750,000 Americans who attended one of about 600 TEA parties last week, you might have seen media cameras covering the event. Media cameras, however, were not the only cameras taking video at these events, something *that *has at least one current FBI agent concerned over the future of America. According to this agent - the same agent who provided the Northeast Intelligence Network (NEIN) exclusively the unreleased photographs of the 11 missing Egyptian students who were the subject of a FBI BOLO in August 2006–placed his concerns for true patriots of the U.S. over his own career when he confided that covert surveillance was “planned and performed” at each of the TEA parties that took place last Tuesday. snip.... ************************************************** ******************* What are you worried about? Who would want videos of an overage hippie with a ponytail? You're older than he is, so you probably should just keep your stupid mouth shut, dummy. |
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On Mon, 20 Apr 2009 06:42:36 -0700, threepontoon wrote:
Funny, the same liberal asses that were whining about their phone calls being monitored are now apologists for the Obama administration. The lies and the monitoring of patriotic Americans is suddenly OK because their guy is doing it. Can you say "two-faced"? I knew you could. LOL, I never said I liked it. I said it's nothing new. Oh, and there is a big difference in monitoring private phone calls, and taking pictures of someone in a public area. Take your time, you might be able to see the difference. |
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On Apr 20, 10:58*am, thunder wrote:
On Mon, 20 Apr 2009 06:42:36 -0700, threepontoon wrote: Funny, the same liberal asses that were whining about their phone calls being monitored are now apologists for the Obama administration. *The lies and the monitoring of patriotic Americans is suddenly OK because their guy is doing it. *Can you say "two-faced"? I knew you could. LOL, I never said I liked it. *I said it's nothing new. *Oh, and there is a big difference in monitoring private phone calls, and taking pictures of someone in a public area. *Take your time, you might be able to see the difference. There's a big difference between taking pictures in a public area, and covert intelligence gathering by the FBI. Oh, and by the way, Obama voted *for* the warrantless wiretapping. That's right, he's not really for protecting your rights either. |
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On Apr 20, 6:15*am, HK wrote:
Don White wrote: wrote in message ... 19 April 2009: Even as average Americans were planning to get out in towns and cities to demonstrate against Big Government and Big Taxes, Federal Bureau of Intelligence Investigation (FBI) surveillance was being unleashed upon them. *In fact, unsuspecting Tax Day TEA Party participants were being closely watched during the demonstration planning stages in a covert operation that began on or about March 23, 2009. If you one of the estimated 750,000 Americans who attended one of about 600 TEA parties last week, you might have seen media cameras covering the event. Media cameras, however, were not the only cameras taking video at these events, something *that *has at least one current FBI agent concerned over the future of America. According to this agent - the same agent who provided the Northeast Intelligence Network (NEIN) exclusively the unreleased photographs of the 11 missing Egyptian students who were the subject of a FBI BOLO in August 2006–placed his concerns for true patriots of the U.S. over his own career when he confided that covert surveillance was “planned and performed” at each of the TEA parties that took place last Tuesday. snip.... ************************************************** ******************* What are you worried about? Who would want videos of an overage hippie with a ponytail? JustHate is drinking sterno again. The reports of the crowds at the GOP-Fox News teabaggings national wide number 250,000-300,000 max, for all of them. By next week, of course, it will be remembered by GOP's as the Million Man Teabagging.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - 250-300,000.... Yeah, just a few more than the 1/4 million man march on Washington.... But they aren't sucking Chaves dick so they don't count, right? |
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On Apr 20, 10:58*am, thunder wrote:
On Mon, 20 Apr 2009 06:42:36 -0700, threepontoon wrote: Funny, the same liberal asses that were whining about their phone calls being monitored are now apologists for the Obama administration. *The lies and the monitoring of patriotic Americans is suddenly OK because their guy is doing it. *Can you say "two-faced"? I knew you could. LOL, I never said I liked it. *I said it's nothing new. *Oh, and there is a big difference in monitoring private phone calls, and taking pictures of someone in a public area. *Take your time, you might be able to see the difference. You don't think the monitoring is going to lead to phone calls? Library cards? Home invasions??? Obama even has websites and orgs set up where you can report people for having right to life, McCain, and NRA stickers on your car... Now look again at the film of the tea partys.. Do you see fighting, stores being robbed and burned, buildings being blown apart or windows smashed, speakers being forced off of the stage? Nope, that's (violence) pretty much exclusively the "right" of the left over the last few decades... Just ask any right leaning speaker who has been invited to any campus lately.. The left will not tolerate free speech unless it's theirs... |
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On Apr 20, 1:40*pm, wrote:
On Apr 20, 10:58*am, thunder wrote: On Mon, 20 Apr 2009 06:42:36 -0700, threepontoon wrote: Funny, the same liberal asses that were whining about their phone calls being monitored are now apologists for the Obama administration. *The lies and the monitoring of patriotic Americans is suddenly OK because their guy is doing it. *Can you say "two-faced"? I knew you could. LOL, I never said I liked it. *I said it's nothing new. *Oh, and there is a big difference in monitoring private phone calls, and taking pictures of someone in a public area. *Take your time, you might be able to see the difference. You don't think the monitoring is going to lead to phone calls? Library cards? Home invasions??? * *Obama even has websites and orgs set up where you can report people for having right to life, McCain, and NRA stickers on your car... Now look again at the film of the tea partys.. Do you see fighting, stores being robbed and burned, buildings being blown apart or windows smashed, speakers being forced off of the stage? Nope, that's (violence) pretty much exclusively the "right" of the left over the last few decades... Just ask any right leaning speaker who has been invited to any campus lately.. The left will not tolerate free speech unless it's theirs... Where was the outrage when Bush and Cheney were (and still are) stepping all over our rights under the guise of fighting terrorism? |
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On Mon, 20 Apr 2009 10:40:05 -0700, justwaitafrekinminute wrote:
You don't think the monitoring is going to lead to phone calls? Library cards? Home invasions??? Obama even has websites and orgs set up where you can report people for having right to life, McCain, and NRA stickers on your car... I don't like any government that treats it's citizens like the enemy. I didn't like it when it happened to the left, and I don't like it now, but it's not a new phenomenon. The only thing new is it's happening to you. ;-( Now look again at the film of the tea partys.. Do you see fighting, stores being robbed and burned, buildings being blown apart or windows smashed, speakers being forced off of the stage? Nope, that's (violence) pretty much exclusively the "right" of the left over the last few decades... Just ask any right leaning speaker who has been invited to any campus lately.. The left will not tolerate free speech unless it's theirs... Both extremes have difficulty with free speech, and violence occurs from both sides. Timothy McVeigh ring a bell? How about the abortion clinic bombings? I also say that a democracy has more to fear from the right, than the left. Try finding a democracy that was overthrown from the left. There are a few, but from the right, there are many, including a failed one planned here in the USA. Do a search on Dupont and coup. |
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On Apr 20, 2:13*pm, wrote:
On Apr 20, 1:40*pm, wrote: On Apr 20, 10:58*am, thunder wrote: On Mon, 20 Apr 2009 06:42:36 -0700, threepontoon wrote: Funny, the same liberal asses that were whining about their phone calls being monitored are now apologists for the Obama administration. *The lies and the monitoring of patriotic Americans is suddenly OK because their guy is doing it. *Can you say "two-faced"? I knew you could.. LOL, I never said I liked it. *I said it's nothing new. *Oh, and there is a big difference in monitoring private phone calls, and taking pictures of someone in a public area. *Take your time, you might be able to see the difference. You don't think the monitoring is going to lead to phone calls? Library cards? Home invasions??? * *Obama even has websites and orgs set up where you can report people for having right to life, McCain, and NRA stickers on your car... Now look again at the film of the tea partys.. Do you see fighting, stores being robbed and burned, buildings being blown apart or windows smashed, speakers being forced off of the stage? Nope, that's (violence) pretty much exclusively the "right" of the left over the last few decades... Just ask any right leaning speaker who has been invited to any campus lately.. The left will not tolerate free speech unless it's theirs... Where was the outrage when Bush and Cheney were (and still are) stepping all over our rights under the guise of fighting terrorism?- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Please tell me what they did to smash our civil rights.. And please be specific, not the usual library card thing, which according to records, never really happened... |
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On Apr 20, 3:25*pm, wrote:
On Apr 20, 2:13*pm, wrote: On Apr 20, 1:40*pm, wrote: On Apr 20, 10:58*am, thunder wrote: On Mon, 20 Apr 2009 06:42:36 -0700, threepontoon wrote: Funny, the same liberal asses that were whining about their phone calls being monitored are now apologists for the Obama administration. *The lies and the monitoring of patriotic Americans is suddenly OK because their guy is doing it. *Can you say "two-faced"? I knew you could. LOL, I never said I liked it. *I said it's nothing new. *Oh, and there is a big difference in monitoring private phone calls, and taking pictures of someone in a public area. *Take your time, you might be able to see the difference. You don't think the monitoring is going to lead to phone calls? Library cards? Home invasions??? * *Obama even has websites and orgs set up where you can report people for having right to life, McCain, and NRA stickers on your car... Now look again at the film of the tea partys.. Do you see fighting, stores being robbed and burned, buildings being blown apart or windows smashed, speakers being forced off of the stage? Nope, that's (violence) pretty much exclusively the "right" of the left over the last few decades... Just ask any right leaning speaker who has been invited to any campus lately.. The left will not tolerate free speech unless it's theirs... Where was the outrage when Bush and Cheney were (and still are) stepping all over our rights under the guise of fighting terrorism?- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Please tell me what they did to smash our civil rights.. And please be specific, not the usual library card thing, which according to records, never really happened...- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - President Bush signed a bill that overhauled government surveillance rules, and grants immunity to telecommunications companies that helped the government eavesdrop on cell, landline, and computer communications. The administration lessened the burden of proof for federal warrants, and decided that a jury by trial wasn't necessary for those charged with terroristic crimes, and has engaged in cruel and unusual punishment.The government, under the above communications act, can have access to your credit card statements, mail and internet logs. |
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On Apr 20, 3:44*pm, wrote:
On Apr 20, 3:25*pm, wrote: On Apr 20, 2:13*pm, wrote: On Apr 20, 1:40*pm, wrote: On Apr 20, 10:58*am, thunder wrote: On Mon, 20 Apr 2009 06:42:36 -0700, threepontoon wrote: Funny, the same liberal asses that were whining about their phone calls being monitored are now apologists for the Obama administration.. *The lies and the monitoring of patriotic Americans is suddenly OK because their guy is doing it. *Can you say "two-faced"? I knew you could. LOL, I never said I liked it. *I said it's nothing new. *Oh, and there is a big difference in monitoring private phone calls, and taking pictures of someone in a public area. *Take your time, you might be able to see the difference. You don't think the monitoring is going to lead to phone calls? Library cards? Home invasions??? * *Obama even has websites and orgs set up where you can report people for having right to life, McCain, and NRA stickers on your car... Now look again at the film of the tea partys.. Do you see fighting, stores being robbed and burned, buildings being blown apart or windows smashed, speakers being forced off of the stage? Nope, that's (violence) pretty much exclusively the "right" of the left over the last few decades... Just ask any right leaning speaker who has been invited to any campus lately.. The left will not tolerate free speech unless it's theirs... Where was the outrage when Bush and Cheney were (and still are) stepping all over our rights under the guise of fighting terrorism?- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Please tell me what they did to smash our civil rights.. And please be specific, not the usual library card thing, which according to records, never really happened...- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - President Bush signed a bill that overhauled government surveillance rules, and grants immunity to telecommunications companies that helped the government eavesdrop on cell, landline, and computer communications. A bill supported by members of both parties and passed by the House and Senate? The administration lessened the burden of proof for federal warrants, and decided that a jury by trial wasn't necessary for those charged with terroristic crimes, and has engaged in cruel and unusual punishment. You mean Military Tribunals? The Bush Administration didn't make them up... They have been around for a long time. The government, under the above communications act, can have access to your credit card statements, mail and internet logs. Electronic surveylance has not nearly kept up with electronic advances. |
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wrote in message ... You don't think the monitoring is going to lead to phone calls? Library cards? Home invasions??? Obama even has websites and orgs set up where you can report people for having right to life, McCain, and NRA stickers on your car... Now look again at the film of the tea partys.. Do you see fighting, stores being robbed and burned, buildings being blown apart or windows smashed, speakers being forced off of the stage? Nope, that's (violence) pretty much exclusively the "right" of the left over the last few decades... Just ask any right leaning speaker who has been invited to any campus lately.. The left will not tolerate free speech unless it's theirs... ************************************************** **** Careful, you may be marked for a trip down a flight of stairs. I'd quit badmouthing your betters. |
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wrote in message ... 250-300,000.... Yeah, just a few more than the 1/4 million man march on Washington.... But they aren't sucking Chaves dick so they don't count, right? ************************************************** *********** I sure hope your family...or church elders never see your trashy posts. |
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On Mon, 20 Apr 2009 13:15:25 -0500, thunder
wrote: On Mon, 20 Apr 2009 10:40:05 -0700, justwaitafrekinminute wrote: You don't think the monitoring is going to lead to phone calls? Library cards? Home invasions??? Obama even has websites and orgs set up where you can report people for having right to life, McCain, and NRA stickers on your car... I don't like any government that treats it's citizens like the enemy. I didn't like it when it happened to the left, and I don't like it now, but it's not a new phenomenon. The only thing new is it's happening to you. ;-( Now look again at the film of the tea partys.. Do you see fighting, stores being robbed and burned, buildings being blown apart or windows smashed, speakers being forced off of the stage? Nope, that's (violence) pretty much exclusively the "right" of the left over the last few decades... Just ask any right leaning speaker who has been invited to any campus lately.. The left will not tolerate free speech unless it's theirs... Both extremes have difficulty with free speech, and violence occurs from both sides. Timothy McVeigh ring a bell? How about the abortion clinic bombings? I also say that a democracy has more to fear from the right, than the left. Try finding a democracy that was overthrown from the left. There are a few, but from the right, there are many, including a failed one planned here in the USA. Do a search on Dupont and coup. You may also want to mention Palin's gatherings that quickly descended into "kill 'em!!!" or any number of racial or cultural epithets that are precursors to violence. Iranians who burn effigies in the streets would have recognized the sentiment immediately. |
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Don White wrote:
wrote in message ... 250-300,000.... Yeah, just a few more than the 1/4 million man march on Washington.... But they aren't sucking Chaves dick so they don't count, right? ************************************************** *********** I sure hope your family...or church elders never see your trashy posts. I suspect his family is just as uncouth as he is...you did see the photo of his kid flipping the bird, right? |
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On Apr 20, 3:59*pm, "Don White" wrote:
wrote in message ... 250-300,000.... Yeah, just a few more than the 1/4 million man march on Washington.... *But they aren't sucking Chaves dick so they don't count, right? ************************************************** *********** I sure hope your family...or church elders never see your trashy posts. Why don't you send it to them you fat little rat bitch.. Around here rats get exterminated, so stay under your desk and hope your family never sees what a pussy you are... |
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wrote in message ... On Apr 20, 3:59 pm, "Don White" wrote: wrote in message ... 250-300,000.... Yeah, just a few more than the 1/4 million man march on Washington.... But they aren't sucking Chaves dick so they don't count, right? ************************************************** *********** I sure hope your family...or church elders never see your trashy posts. Why don't you send it to them you fat little rat bitch.. Around here rats get exterminated, so stay under your desk and hope your family never sees what a pussy you are... ************************************************** *** Ya know...I'm thinking of buying a clipper to groom my dog. I much rather practice somewhere else to 'perfect my technique' before messing with his beautiful hair.. That ponytail of yours would be the perfect place for me to get 'the hang' of the motorized clippers. I'd get the practice I need & you'd finally look like a man. Win win situation. |
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Don White wrote:
Ya know...I'm thinking of buying a clipper to groom my dog. I much rather practice somewhere else to 'perfect my technique' before messing with his beautiful hair.. That ponytail of yours would be the perfect place for me to get 'the hang' of the motorized clippers. I'd get the practice I need & you'd finally look like a man. Win win situation. That's just dumb. |
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On Mon, 20 Apr 2009 18:54:09 -0400, HK wrote:
wrote: On Apr 20, 3:59 pm, "Don White" wrote: wrote in message ... 250-300,000.... Yeah, just a few more than the 1/4 million man march on Washington.... But they aren't sucking Chaves dick so they don't count, right? ************************************************** *********** I sure hope your family...or church elders never see your trashy posts. Why don't you send it to them you fat little rat bitch.. Around here rats get exterminated, so stay under your desk and hope your family never sees what a pussy you are... Ahhh...the Palinized GOP at its finest... Notice how shocked McCain was when they showed up at his rallies? How easily the sheeple are let to hatred and violence. |
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On Apr 20, 8:07*pm, jps wrote:
How easily the sheeple are let to hatred and violence. You're proof of that. Good thing you don't own a gun. |
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On Apr 20, 4:49*pm, HK wrote:
Don White wrote: wrote in message .... 250-300,000.... Yeah, just a few more than the 1/4 million man march on Washington.... *But they aren't sucking Chaves dick so they don't count, right? ************************************************** *********** I sure hope your family...or church elders never see your trashy posts. I suspect his family is just as uncouth as he is...you did see the photo of his kid flipping the bird, right? This from the most insulting, name calling, vulgar fat nasty piece of **** there is. |
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On Apr 20, 3:54*pm, wrote:
On Apr 20, 3:44*pm, wrote: On Apr 20, 3:25*pm, wrote: On Apr 20, 2:13*pm, wrote: On Apr 20, 1:40*pm, wrote: On Apr 20, 10:58*am, thunder wrote: On Mon, 20 Apr 2009 06:42:36 -0700, threepontoon wrote: Funny, the same liberal asses that were whining about their phone calls being monitored are now apologists for the Obama administration. *The lies and the monitoring of patriotic Americans is suddenly OK because their guy is doing it. *Can you say "two-faced"? I knew you could. LOL, I never said I liked it. *I said it's nothing new. *Oh, and there is a big difference in monitoring private phone calls, and taking pictures of someone in a public area. *Take your time, you might be able to see the difference. You don't think the monitoring is going to lead to phone calls? Library cards? Home invasions??? * *Obama even has websites and orgs set up where you can report people for having right to life, McCain, and NRA stickers on your car... Now look again at the film of the tea partys.. Do you see fighting, stores being robbed and burned, buildings being blown apart or windows smashed, speakers being forced off of the stage? Nope, that's (violence) pretty much exclusively the "right" of the left over the last few decades... Just ask any right leaning speaker who has been invited to any campus lately.. The left will not tolerate free speech unless it's theirs... Where was the outrage when Bush and Cheney were (and still are) stepping all over our rights under the guise of fighting terrorism?- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Please tell me what they did to smash our civil rights.. And please be specific, not the usual library card thing, which according to records, never really happened...- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - President Bush signed a bill that overhauled government surveillance rules, and grants immunity to telecommunications companies that helped the government eavesdrop on cell, landline, and computer communications. A bill supported by members of both parties and passed by the House and Senate? The administration lessened the burden of proof for federal warrants, and decided that a jury by trial wasn't necessary for those charged with terroristic crimes, and has engaged in cruel and unusual punishment. You mean Military Tribunals? The Bush Administration didn't make them up... They have been around for a long time. No, Federal Warrants. The government, under the above communications act, can have access to your credit card statements, mail and internet logs. Electronic surveylance has not nearly kept up with electronic advances.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Okay, so you DO condone Bush's trampling on our civil rights, but when Obama might do the same, THEN it's bad? |
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On Apr 21, 8:43*am, wrote:
On Apr 20, 3:54*pm, wrote: On Apr 20, 3:44*pm, wrote: On Apr 20, 3:25*pm, wrote: On Apr 20, 2:13*pm, wrote: On Apr 20, 1:40*pm, wrote: On Apr 20, 10:58*am, thunder wrote: On Mon, 20 Apr 2009 06:42:36 -0700, threepontoon wrote: Funny, the same liberal asses that were whining about their phone calls being monitored are now apologists for the Obama administration. *The lies and the monitoring of patriotic Americans is suddenly OK because their guy is doing it. *Can you say "two-faced"? I knew you could. LOL, I never said I liked it. *I said it's nothing new. *Oh, and there is a big difference in monitoring private phone calls, and taking pictures of someone in a public area. *Take your time, you might be able to see the difference. You don't think the monitoring is going to lead to phone calls? Library cards? Home invasions??? * *Obama even has websites and orgs set up where you can report people for having right to life, McCain, and NRA stickers on your car... Now look again at the film of the tea partys.. Do you see fighting, stores being robbed and burned, buildings being blown apart or windows smashed, speakers being forced off of the stage? Nope, that's (violence) pretty much exclusively the "right" of the left over the last few decades... Just ask any right leaning speaker who has been invited to any campus lately.. The left will not tolerate free speech unless it's theirs... Where was the outrage when Bush and Cheney were (and still are) stepping all over our rights under the guise of fighting terrorism?- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Please tell me what they did to smash our civil rights.. And please be specific, not the usual library card thing, which according to records, never really happened...- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - President Bush signed a bill that overhauled government surveillance rules, and grants immunity to telecommunications companies that helped the government eavesdrop on cell, landline, and computer communications. A bill supported by members of both parties and passed by the House and Senate? The administration lessened the burden of proof for federal warrants, and decided that a jury by trial wasn't necessary for those charged with terroristic crimes, and has engaged in cruel and unusual punishment. You mean Military Tribunals? The Bush Administration didn't make them up... They have been around for a long time. No, Federal Warrants. The government, under the above communications act, can have access to your credit card statements, mail and internet logs. Electronic surveylance has not nearly kept up with electronic advances.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Okay, so you DO condone Bush's trampling on our civil rights, but when Obama might do the same, THEN it's bad?- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - I didn't see it as trampling our rights. Seems terrorist rights were smashed, and good on that... |
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On Apr 21, 8:54*am, wrote:
On Apr 21, 8:43*am, wrote: On Apr 20, 3:54*pm, wrote: On Apr 20, 3:44*pm, wrote: On Apr 20, 3:25*pm, wrote: On Apr 20, 2:13*pm, wrote: On Apr 20, 1:40*pm, wrote: On Apr 20, 10:58*am, thunder wrote: On Mon, 20 Apr 2009 06:42:36 -0700, threepontoon wrote: Funny, the same liberal asses that were whining about their phone calls being monitored are now apologists for the Obama administration. *The lies and the monitoring of patriotic Americans is suddenly OK because their guy is doing it. *Can you say "two-faced"? I knew you could. LOL, I never said I liked it. *I said it's nothing new. *Oh, and there is a big difference in monitoring private phone calls, and taking pictures of someone in a public area. *Take your time, you might be able to see the difference. You don't think the monitoring is going to lead to phone calls? Library cards? Home invasions??? * *Obama even has websites and orgs set up where you can report people for having right to life, McCain, and NRA stickers on your car... Now look again at the film of the tea partys.. Do you see fighting, stores being robbed and burned, buildings being blown apart or windows smashed, speakers being forced off of the stage? Nope, that's (violence) pretty much exclusively the "right" of the left over the last few decades... Just ask any right leaning speaker who has been invited to any campus lately.. The left will not tolerate free speech unless it's theirs... Where was the outrage when Bush and Cheney were (and still are) stepping all over our rights under the guise of fighting terrorism?- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Please tell me what they did to smash our civil rights.. And please be specific, not the usual library card thing, which according to records, never really happened...- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - President Bush signed a bill that overhauled government surveillance rules, and grants immunity to telecommunications companies that helped the government eavesdrop on cell, landline, and computer communications. A bill supported by members of both parties and passed by the House and Senate? The administration lessened the burden of proof for federal warrants, and decided that a jury by trial wasn't necessary for those charged with terroristic crimes, and has engaged in cruel and unusual punishment. You mean Military Tribunals? The Bush Administration didn't make them up... They have been around for a long time. No, Federal Warrants. The government, under the above communications act, can have access to your credit card statements, mail and internet logs. Electronic surveylance has not nearly kept up with electronic advances.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Okay, so you DO condone Bush's trampling on our civil rights, but when Obama might do the same, THEN it's bad?- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - I didn't see it as trampling our rights. Seems terrorist rights were smashed, and good on that...- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Really? So where did the bill state that when they are going to allow warrantless searches that it was for convicted terrorists only? Where in the bill did it state that when they would allow cruel and unusual punishment that it was for terrorists only? Where did it state that under the new government surveillance that they would only be used on terrorists? You DO believe in trial by a jury of your peers, don't you? |
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On Apr 20, 4:49 pm, HK wrote: I suspect his family is just as uncouth as he is...you did see the photo of his kid flipping the bird, right? Which is worse, flipping the bird or wishing people who disagree with you dead? Johnson |
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Johnson wrote:
On Apr 20, 4:49 pm, HK wrote: I suspect his family is just as uncouth as he is...you did see the photo of his kid flipping the bird, right? Which is worse, flipping the bird or wishing people who disagree with you dead? Johnson Flipping the bird is just a gesture. Wishing someone dead is downright anti Christian. |
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On Apr 21, 9:11*am, wrote:
On Apr 21, 8:54*am, wrote: On Apr 21, 8:43*am, wrote: On Apr 20, 3:54*pm, wrote: On Apr 20, 3:44*pm, wrote: On Apr 20, 3:25*pm, wrote: On Apr 20, 2:13*pm, wrote: On Apr 20, 1:40*pm, wrote: On Apr 20, 10:58*am, thunder wrote: On Mon, 20 Apr 2009 06:42:36 -0700, threepontoon wrote: Funny, the same liberal asses that were whining about their phone calls being monitored are now apologists for the Obama administration. *The lies and the monitoring of patriotic Americans is suddenly OK because their guy is doing it. *Can you say "two-faced"? I knew you could. LOL, I never said I liked it. *I said it's nothing new. *Oh, and there is a big difference in monitoring private phone calls, and taking pictures of someone in a public area. *Take your time, you might be able to see the difference. You don't think the monitoring is going to lead to phone calls? Library cards? Home invasions??? * *Obama even has websites and orgs set up where you can report people for having right to life, McCain, and NRA stickers on your car... Now look again at the film of the tea partys.. Do you see fighting, stores being robbed and burned, buildings being blown apart or windows smashed, speakers being forced off of the stage? Nope, that's (violence) pretty much exclusively the "right" of the left over the last few decades... Just ask any right leaning speaker who has been invited to any campus lately.. The left will not tolerate free speech unless it's theirs... Where was the outrage when Bush and Cheney were (and still are) stepping all over our rights under the guise of fighting terrorism?- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Please tell me what they did to smash our civil rights.. And please be specific, not the usual library card thing, which according to records, never really happened...- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - President Bush signed a bill that overhauled government surveillance rules, and grants immunity to telecommunications companies that helped the government eavesdrop on cell, landline, and computer communications. A bill supported by members of both parties and passed by the House and Senate? The administration lessened the burden of proof for federal warrants, and decided that a jury by trial wasn't necessary for those charged with terroristic crimes, and has engaged in cruel and unusual punishment. You mean Military Tribunals? The Bush Administration didn't make them up... They have been around for a long time. No, Federal Warrants. The government, under the above communications act, can have access to your credit card statements, mail and internet logs. Electronic surveylance has not nearly kept up with electronic advances.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Okay, so you DO condone Bush's trampling on our civil rights, but when Obama might do the same, THEN it's bad?- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - I didn't see it as trampling our rights. Seems terrorist rights were smashed, and good on that...- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Really? So where did the bill state that when they are going to allow warrantless searches that it was for convicted terrorists only? Where in the bill did it state that when they would allow cruel and unusual punishment that it was for terrorists only? Where did it state that under the new government surveillance that they would only be used on terrorists? You DO believe in trial by a jury of your peers, don't you?- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Well then, back to the origional question.. Who's rights were smashed.. How many innocent Americans had warrantless searches? Who suffered cruel and unusual punishment (note, I don't think calling names or putting water on someones head compares to sawing someones head off and then sending the video to the family)? Who was tapped that was not talking to someone under investigation? Right now, regular Americans are being harassed just because they went to a peaceful rally. They didn't throw pies or rocks at anyone, they didn't stifle free speech with banners and violence because they didn't agree, they didn't burn buildings or put peoples personal info on line to intimidate them... Those are far left things. And as to Tim McVeigh, he was one guy, I am getting about as sick of that analagy as the Hitler one the far left throws out every day... But either way, what innocents were abused, certainly nobody we know... |
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On Apr 21, 9:16*am, Johnson wrote:
On Apr 20, 4:49 pm, HK wrote: I suspect his family is just as uncouth as he is...you did see the photo of his kid flipping the bird, right? Which is worse, flipping the bird or wishing people who disagree with you dead? Johnson And after all, whoever that was in the video (can't really tell with all that safety gear on), they were flipping off Harry;) Harry is just mad because he didn't spend enough time with his own kids so they disowned him years ago... Of course he did have time to paint his granddaughter up like a harpie and pimp her on the internet... Sad really that this is all he has... |
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On Apr 21, 9:57*am, wrote:
On Apr 21, 9:11*am, wrote: On Apr 21, 8:54*am, wrote: On Apr 21, 8:43*am, wrote: On Apr 20, 3:54*pm, wrote: On Apr 20, 3:44*pm, wrote: On Apr 20, 3:25*pm, wrote: On Apr 20, 2:13*pm, wrote: On Apr 20, 1:40*pm, wrote: On Apr 20, 10:58*am, thunder wrote: On Mon, 20 Apr 2009 06:42:36 -0700, threepontoon wrote: Funny, the same liberal asses that were whining about their phone calls being monitored are now apologists for the Obama administration. *The lies and the monitoring of patriotic Americans is suddenly OK because their guy is doing it. *Can you say "two-faced"? I knew you could. LOL, I never said I liked it. *I said it's nothing new. *Oh, and there is a big difference in monitoring private phone calls, and taking pictures of someone in a public area. *Take your time, you might be able to see the difference. You don't think the monitoring is going to lead to phone calls? Library cards? Home invasions??? * *Obama even has websites and orgs set up where you can report people for having right to life, McCain, and NRA stickers on your car... Now look again at the film of the tea partys.. Do you see fighting, stores being robbed and burned, buildings being blown apart or windows smashed, speakers being forced off of the stage? Nope, that's (violence) pretty much exclusively the "right" of the left over the last few decades... Just ask any right leaning speaker who has been invited to any campus lately.. The left will not tolerate free speech unless it's theirs... Where was the outrage when Bush and Cheney were (and still are) stepping all over our rights under the guise of fighting terrorism?- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Please tell me what they did to smash our civil rights.. And please be specific, not the usual library card thing, which according to records, never really happened...- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - President Bush signed a bill that overhauled government surveillance rules, and grants immunity to telecommunications companies that helped the government eavesdrop on cell, landline, and computer communications. A bill supported by members of both parties and passed by the House and Senate? The administration lessened the burden of proof for federal warrants, and decided that a jury by trial wasn't necessary for those charged with terroristic crimes, and has engaged in cruel and unusual punishment. You mean Military Tribunals? The Bush Administration didn't make them up... They have been around for a long time. No, Federal Warrants. The government, under the above communications act, can have access to your credit card statements, mail and internet logs. Electronic surveylance has not nearly kept up with electronic advances.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Okay, so you DO condone Bush's trampling on our civil rights, but when Obama might do the same, THEN it's bad?- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - I didn't see it as trampling our rights. Seems terrorist rights were smashed, and good on that...- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Really? So where did the bill state that when they are going to allow warrantless searches that it was for convicted terrorists only? Where in the bill did it state that when they would allow cruel and unusual punishment that it was for terrorists only? Where did it state that under the new government surveillance that they would only be used on terrorists? You DO believe in trial by a jury of your peers, don't you?- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Well then, back to the origional question.. Who's rights were smashed.. Lot's of people's rights were smashed. How many innocent Americans had warrantless searches? Who knows for sure? Who suffered cruel and unusual punishment (note, I don't think calling names or putting water on someones head compares to sawing someones head off and then sending the video to the family)? It has been deemed in Federal Court that it was cruel and unusual. Who was tapped that was not talking to someone under investigation? Who knows, they don't report those things. Right now, regular Americans are being harassed just because they went to a peaceful rally. Okay, the tide turns....WHO has been harassed because they went to a peaceful rally? They didn't throw pies or rocks at anyone, they didn't stifle free speech with banners and violence because they didn't agree, they didn't burn buildings or put peoples personal info on line to intimidate them... Those are far left things. And as to Tim McVeigh, he was one guy, I am getting about as sick of that analagy as the Hitler one the far left throws out every day... But either way, what innocents were abused, certainly nobody we know...- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Your problem is that you are now saying that if someone wasn't directly affected by the Bush administration's bill allowing these things, then their rights weren't smashed. Simply not true. BUT, you are saying that Obama's rulings have harmed people, but using your ideals, they really haven't been harmed unless you can name those people affected. I still believe in a trial by jury. |
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On Apr 21, 10:34*am, wrote:
On Apr 21, 9:57*am, wrote: On Apr 21, 9:11*am, wrote: On Apr 21, 8:54*am, wrote: On Apr 21, 8:43*am, wrote: On Apr 20, 3:54*pm, wrote: On Apr 20, 3:44*pm, wrote: On Apr 20, 3:25*pm, wrote: On Apr 20, 2:13*pm, wrote: On Apr 20, 1:40*pm, wrote: On Apr 20, 10:58*am, thunder wrote: On Mon, 20 Apr 2009 06:42:36 -0700, threepontoon wrote: Funny, the same liberal asses that were whining about their phone calls being monitored are now apologists for the Obama administration. *The lies and the monitoring of patriotic Americans is suddenly OK because their guy is doing it. *Can you say "two-faced"? I knew you could. LOL, I never said I liked it. *I said it's nothing new. *Oh, and there is a big difference in monitoring private phone calls, and taking pictures of someone in a public area. *Take your time, you might be able to see the difference. You don't think the monitoring is going to lead to phone calls? Library cards? Home invasions??? * *Obama even has websites and orgs set up where you can report people for having right to life, McCain, and NRA stickers on your car... Now look again at the film of the tea partys.. Do you see fighting, stores being robbed and burned, buildings being blown apart or windows smashed, speakers being forced off of the stage? Nope, that's (violence) pretty much exclusively the "right" of the left over the last few decades... Just ask any right leaning speaker who has been invited to any campus lately.. The left will not tolerate free speech unless it's theirs... Where was the outrage when Bush and Cheney were (and still are) stepping all over our rights under the guise of fighting terrorism?- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Please tell me what they did to smash our civil rights.. And please be specific, not the usual library card thing, which according to records, never really happened...- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - President Bush signed a bill that overhauled government surveillance rules, and grants immunity to telecommunications companies that helped the government eavesdrop on cell, landline, and computer communications. A bill supported by members of both parties and passed by the House and Senate? The administration lessened the burden of proof for federal warrants, and decided that a jury by trial wasn't necessary for those charged with terroristic crimes, and has engaged in cruel and unusual punishment. You mean Military Tribunals? The Bush Administration didn't make them up... They have been around for a long time. No, Federal Warrants. The government, under the above communications act, can have access to your credit card statements, mail and internet logs. Electronic surveylance has not nearly kept up with electronic advances.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Okay, so you DO condone Bush's trampling on our civil rights, but when Obama might do the same, THEN it's bad?- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - I didn't see it as trampling our rights. Seems terrorist rights were smashed, and good on that...- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Really? So where did the bill state that when they are going to allow warrantless searches that it was for convicted terrorists only? Where in the bill did it state that when they would allow cruel and unusual punishment that it was for terrorists only? Where did it state that under the new government surveillance that they would only be used on terrorists? You DO believe in trial by a jury of your peers, don't you?- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Well then, back to the origional question.. Who's rights were smashed.. Lot's of people's rights were smashed. How many innocent Americans had warrantless searches? Who knows for sure? *Who suffered cruel and unusual punishment (note, I don't think calling names or putting water on someones head compares to sawing someones head off and then sending the video to the family)? It has been deemed in Federal Court that it was cruel and unusual. *Who was tapped that was not talking to someone under investigation? Who knows, they don't report those things. *Right now, regular Americans are being harassed just because they went to a peaceful rally. Okay, the tide turns....WHO has been harassed because they went to a peaceful rally? *They didn't throw pies or rocks at anyone, they didn't stifle free speech with banners and violence because they didn't agree, they didn't burn buildings or put peoples personal info on line to intimidate them... Those are far left things. And as to Tim McVeigh, he was one guy, I am getting about as sick of that analagy as the Hitler one the far left throws out every day... But either way, what innocents were abused, certainly nobody we know...- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Your problem is that you are now saying that if someone wasn't directly affected by the Bush administration's bill allowing these things, then their rights weren't smashed. Simply not true. BUT, you are saying that Obama's rulings have harmed people, but using your ideals, they really haven't been harmed unless you can name those people affected. I still believe in a trial by jury.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Not going to argue with you here Loog. We are friends and I truly believe you want the same thing for America and your family as I do. Either way, my posts here are meant to expose the few dishonest "far left" liars here... You know who they are... Someday over a beer maybe, maybe not, might just drink the beer...;) |
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On Apr 21, 11:47*am, wrote:
On Apr 21, 10:34*am, wrote: On Apr 21, 9:57*am, wrote: On Apr 21, 9:11*am, wrote: On Apr 21, 8:54*am, wrote: On Apr 21, 8:43*am, wrote: On Apr 20, 3:54*pm, wrote: On Apr 20, 3:44*pm, wrote: On Apr 20, 3:25*pm, wrote: On Apr 20, 2:13*pm, wrote: On Apr 20, 1:40*pm, wrote: On Apr 20, 10:58*am, thunder wrote: On Mon, 20 Apr 2009 06:42:36 -0700, threepontoon wrote: Funny, the same liberal asses that were whining about their phone calls being monitored are now apologists for the Obama administration. *The lies and the monitoring of patriotic Americans is suddenly OK because their guy is doing it. *Can you say "two-faced"? I knew you could. LOL, I never said I liked it. *I said it's nothing new. *Oh, and there is a big difference in monitoring private phone calls, and taking pictures of someone in a public area. *Take your time, you might be able to see the difference. You don't think the monitoring is going to lead to phone calls? Library cards? Home invasions??? * *Obama even has websites and orgs set up where you can report people for having right to life, McCain, and NRA stickers on your car... Now look again at the film of the tea partys.. Do you see fighting, stores being robbed and burned, buildings being blown apart or windows smashed, speakers being forced off of the stage? Nope, that's (violence) pretty much exclusively the "right" of the left over the last few decades... Just ask any right leaning speaker who has been invited to any campus lately.. The left will not tolerate free speech unless it's theirs... Where was the outrage when Bush and Cheney were (and still are) stepping all over our rights under the guise of fighting terrorism?- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Please tell me what they did to smash our civil rights.. And please be specific, not the usual library card thing, which according to records, never really happened...- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - President Bush signed a bill that overhauled government surveillance rules, and grants immunity to telecommunications companies that helped the government eavesdrop on cell, landline, and computer communications. A bill supported by members of both parties and passed by the House and Senate? The administration lessened the burden of proof for federal warrants, and decided that a jury by trial wasn't necessary for those charged with terroristic crimes, and has engaged in cruel and unusual punishment. You mean Military Tribunals? The Bush Administration didn't make them up... They have been around for a long time. No, Federal Warrants. The government, under the above communications act, can have access to your credit card statements, mail and internet logs. Electronic surveylance has not nearly kept up with electronic advances.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Okay, so you DO condone Bush's trampling on our civil rights, but when Obama might do the same, THEN it's bad?- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - I didn't see it as trampling our rights. Seems terrorist rights were smashed, and good on that...- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Really? So where did the bill state that when they are going to allow warrantless searches that it was for convicted terrorists only? Where in the bill did it state that when they would allow cruel and unusual punishment that it was for terrorists only? Where did it state that under the new government surveillance that they would only be used on terrorists? You DO believe in trial by a jury of your peers, don't you?- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Well then, back to the origional question.. Who's rights were smashed.. Lot's of people's rights were smashed. How many innocent Americans had warrantless searches? Who knows for sure? *Who suffered cruel and unusual punishment (note, I don't think calling names or putting water on someones head compares to sawing someones head off and then sending the video to the family)? It has been deemed in Federal Court that it was cruel and unusual. *Who was tapped that was not talking to someone under investigation? Who knows, they don't report those things. *Right now, regular Americans are being harassed just because they went to a peaceful rally. Okay, the tide turns....WHO has been harassed because they went to a peaceful rally? *They didn't throw pies or rocks at anyone, they didn't stifle free speech with banners and violence because they didn't agree, they didn't burn buildings or put peoples personal info on line to intimidate them... Those are far left things. And as to Tim McVeigh, he was one guy, I am getting about as sick of that analagy as the Hitler one the far left throws out every day... But either way, what innocents were abused, certainly nobody we know...- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Your problem is that you are now saying that if someone wasn't directly affected by the Bush administration's bill allowing these things, then their rights weren't smashed. Simply not true. BUT, you are saying that Obama's rulings have harmed people, but using your ideals, they really haven't been harmed unless you can name those people affected. I still believe in a trial by jury.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Not going to argue with you here Loog. We are friends and I truly believe you want the same thing for America and your family as I do. Either way, my posts here are meant to expose the few dishonest "far left" liars here... You know who they are... Someday over a beer maybe, maybe not, might just drink the beer...;)- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - That crap can taint a good beer! And I realize who your target is, and know it isn't me. And yes, there are liars, and intellectually dishonest people......on both sides of the fence. |
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On Tue, 21 Apr 2009 09:54:23 -0400, jim78565 wrote:
Johnson wrote: On Apr 20, 4:49 pm, HK wrote: I suspect his family is just as uncouth as he is...you did see the photo of his kid flipping the bird, right? Which is worse, flipping the bird or wishing people who disagree with you dead? Johnson Flipping the bird is just a gesture. Wishing someone dead is downright anti Christian. Which is worse, sitting idly by while the politician of your choice strips you of your civil rights or screaming bloody murder when the opposition party threatens to do the same? |
More civil rights smashed by the Obamanation...
On Apr 21, 2:44*pm, jps wrote:
On Tue, 21 Apr 2009 09:54:23 -0400, jim78565 wrote: Johnson wrote: On Apr 20, 4:49 pm, HK wrote: I suspect his family is just as uncouth as he is...you did see the photo of his kid flipping the bird, right? Which is worse, flipping the bird or wishing people who disagree with you dead? Johnson Flipping the bird is just a gesture. Wishing someone dead is downright anti Christian. Which is worse, sitting idly by while the politician of your choice strips you of your civil rights or screaming bloody murder when the opposition party threatens to do the same? I think it's worse to determine someone is stripping your rights because Michael Moore and Arianna Huffington say so.... But then again, you are well known for culling the facts to suit your agenda... |
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