On Apr 20, 10:58*am, thunder wrote:
On Mon, 20 Apr 2009 06:42:36 -0700, threepontoon wrote:
Funny, the same liberal asses that were whining about their phone calls
being monitored are now apologists for the Obama administration. *The
lies and the monitoring of patriotic Americans is suddenly OK because
their guy is doing it. *Can you say "two-faced"? I knew you could.

LOL, I never said I liked it. *I said it's nothing new. *Oh, and there is
a big difference in monitoring private phone calls, and taking pictures
of someone in a public area. *Take your time, you might be able to see
the difference.

You don't think the monitoring is going to lead to phone calls?
Library cards? Home invasions??? Obama even has websites and orgs
set up where you can report people for having right to life, McCain,
and NRA stickers on your car...

Now look again at the film of the tea partys.. Do you see fighting,
stores being robbed and burned, buildings being blown apart or windows
smashed, speakers being forced off of the stage? Nope, that's
(violence) pretty much exclusively the "right" of the left over the
last few decades... Just ask any right leaning speaker who has been
invited to any campus lately.. The left will not tolerate free speech
unless it's theirs...

On Apr 20, 1:40*pm, wrote:
On Apr 20, 10:58*am, thunder wrote:

On Mon, 20 Apr 2009 06:42:36 -0700, threepontoon wrote:
Funny, the same liberal asses that were whining about their phone calls
being monitored are now apologists for the Obama administration. *The
lies and the monitoring of patriotic Americans is suddenly OK because
their guy is doing it. *Can you say "two-faced"? I knew you could.

LOL, I never said I liked it. *I said it's nothing new. *Oh, and there is
a big difference in monitoring private phone calls, and taking pictures
of someone in a public area. *Take your time, you might be able to see
the difference.

You don't think the monitoring is going to lead to phone calls?
Library cards? Home invasions??? * *Obama even has websites and orgs
set up where you can report people for having right to life, McCain,
and NRA stickers on your car...

Now look again at the film of the tea partys.. Do you see fighting,
stores being robbed and burned, buildings being blown apart or windows
smashed, speakers being forced off of the stage? Nope, that's
(violence) pretty much exclusively the "right" of the left over the
last few decades... Just ask any right leaning speaker who has been
invited to any campus lately.. The left will not tolerate free speech
unless it's theirs...

Where was the outrage when Bush and Cheney were (and still are)
stepping all over our rights under the guise of fighting terrorism?

On Apr 20, 2:13*pm, wrote:
On Apr 20, 1:40*pm, wrote:





On Apr 20, 10:58*am, thunder wrote:

On Mon, 20 Apr 2009 06:42:36 -0700, threepontoon wrote:
Funny, the same liberal asses that were whining about their phone calls
being monitored are now apologists for the Obama administration. *The
lies and the monitoring of patriotic Americans is suddenly OK because
their guy is doing it. *Can you say "two-faced"? I knew you could..

LOL, I never said I liked it. *I said it's nothing new. *Oh, and there is
a big difference in monitoring private phone calls, and taking pictures
of someone in a public area. *Take your time, you might be able to see
the difference.

You don't think the monitoring is going to lead to phone calls?
Library cards? Home invasions??? * *Obama even has websites and orgs
set up where you can report people for having right to life, McCain,
and NRA stickers on your car...

Now look again at the film of the tea partys.. Do you see fighting,
stores being robbed and burned, buildings being blown apart or windows
smashed, speakers being forced off of the stage? Nope, that's
(violence) pretty much exclusively the "right" of the left over the
last few decades... Just ask any right leaning speaker who has been
invited to any campus lately.. The left will not tolerate free speech
unless it's theirs...

Where was the outrage when Bush and Cheney were (and still are)
stepping all over our rights under the guise of fighting terrorism?- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Please tell me what they did to smash our civil rights.. And please be
specific, not the usual library card thing, which according to
records, never really happened...

On Apr 20, 3:25*pm, wrote:
On Apr 20, 2:13*pm, wrote:





On Apr 20, 1:40*pm, wrote:

On Apr 20, 10:58*am, thunder wrote:

On Mon, 20 Apr 2009 06:42:36 -0700, threepontoon wrote:
Funny, the same liberal asses that were whining about their phone calls
being monitored are now apologists for the Obama administration. *The
lies and the monitoring of patriotic Americans is suddenly OK because
their guy is doing it. *Can you say "two-faced"? I knew you could.

LOL, I never said I liked it. *I said it's nothing new. *Oh, and there is
a big difference in monitoring private phone calls, and taking pictures
of someone in a public area. *Take your time, you might be able to see
the difference.

You don't think the monitoring is going to lead to phone calls?
Library cards? Home invasions??? * *Obama even has websites and orgs
set up where you can report people for having right to life, McCain,
and NRA stickers on your car...

Now look again at the film of the tea partys.. Do you see fighting,
stores being robbed and burned, buildings being blown apart or windows
smashed, speakers being forced off of the stage? Nope, that's
(violence) pretty much exclusively the "right" of the left over the
last few decades... Just ask any right leaning speaker who has been
invited to any campus lately.. The left will not tolerate free speech
unless it's theirs...

Where was the outrage when Bush and Cheney were (and still are)
stepping all over our rights under the guise of fighting terrorism?- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Please tell me what they did to smash our civil rights.. And please be
specific, not the usual library card thing, which according to
records, never really happened...- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

President Bush signed a bill that overhauled government surveillance
rules, and grants immunity to telecommunications companies that helped
the government eavesdrop on cell, landline, and computer
communications.

The administration lessened the burden of proof for federal warrants,
and decided that a jury by trial wasn't necessary for those charged
with terroristic crimes, and has engaged in cruel and unusual
punishment.The government, under the above communications act, can
have access to your credit card statements, mail and internet logs.

On Apr 20, 3:44*pm, wrote:
On Apr 20, 3:25*pm, wrote:





On Apr 20, 2:13*pm, wrote:

On Apr 20, 1:40*pm, wrote:

On Apr 20, 10:58*am, thunder wrote:

On Mon, 20 Apr 2009 06:42:36 -0700, threepontoon wrote:
Funny, the same liberal asses that were whining about their phone calls
being monitored are now apologists for the Obama administration.. *The
lies and the monitoring of patriotic Americans is suddenly OK because
their guy is doing it. *Can you say "two-faced"? I knew you could.

LOL, I never said I liked it. *I said it's nothing new. *Oh, and there is
a big difference in monitoring private phone calls, and taking pictures
of someone in a public area. *Take your time, you might be able to see
the difference.

You don't think the monitoring is going to lead to phone calls?
Library cards? Home invasions??? * *Obama even has websites and orgs
set up where you can report people for having right to life, McCain,
and NRA stickers on your car...

Now look again at the film of the tea partys.. Do you see fighting,
stores being robbed and burned, buildings being blown apart or windows
smashed, speakers being forced off of the stage? Nope, that's
(violence) pretty much exclusively the "right" of the left over the
last few decades... Just ask any right leaning speaker who has been
invited to any campus lately.. The left will not tolerate free speech
unless it's theirs...

Where was the outrage when Bush and Cheney were (and still are)
stepping all over our rights under the guise of fighting terrorism?- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Please tell me what they did to smash our civil rights.. And please be
specific, not the usual library card thing, which according to
records, never really happened...- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

President Bush signed a bill that overhauled government surveillance
rules, and grants immunity to telecommunications companies that helped
the government eavesdrop on cell, landline, and computer
communications.

A bill supported by members of both parties and passed by the House
and Senate?


The administration lessened the burden of proof for federal warrants,
and decided that a jury by trial wasn't necessary for those charged
with terroristic crimes, and has engaged in cruel and unusual
punishment.

You mean Military Tribunals? The Bush Administration didn't make them
up... They have been around for a long time.

The government, under the above communications act, can
have access to your credit card statements, mail and internet logs.

Electronic surveylance has not nearly kept up with electronic
advances.

On Apr 20, 3:54*pm, wrote:
On Apr 20, 3:44*pm, wrote:





On Apr 20, 3:25*pm, wrote:

On Apr 20, 2:13*pm, wrote:

On Apr 20, 1:40*pm, wrote:

On Apr 20, 10:58*am, thunder wrote:

On Mon, 20 Apr 2009 06:42:36 -0700, threepontoon wrote:
Funny, the same liberal asses that were whining about their phone calls
being monitored are now apologists for the Obama administration. *The
lies and the monitoring of patriotic Americans is suddenly OK because
their guy is doing it. *Can you say "two-faced"? I knew you could.

LOL, I never said I liked it. *I said it's nothing new. *Oh, and there is
a big difference in monitoring private phone calls, and taking pictures
of someone in a public area. *Take your time, you might be able to see
the difference.

You don't think the monitoring is going to lead to phone calls?
Library cards? Home invasions??? * *Obama even has websites and orgs
set up where you can report people for having right to life, McCain,
and NRA stickers on your car...

Now look again at the film of the tea partys.. Do you see fighting,
stores being robbed and burned, buildings being blown apart or windows
smashed, speakers being forced off of the stage? Nope, that's
(violence) pretty much exclusively the "right" of the left over the
last few decades... Just ask any right leaning speaker who has been
invited to any campus lately.. The left will not tolerate free speech
unless it's theirs...

Where was the outrage when Bush and Cheney were (and still are)
stepping all over our rights under the guise of fighting terrorism?- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Please tell me what they did to smash our civil rights.. And please be
specific, not the usual library card thing, which according to
records, never really happened...- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

President Bush signed a bill that overhauled government surveillance
rules, and grants immunity to telecommunications companies that helped
the government eavesdrop on cell, landline, and computer
communications.

A bill supported by members of both parties and passed by the House
and Senate?



The administration lessened the burden of proof for federal warrants,
and decided that a jury by trial wasn't necessary for those charged
with terroristic crimes, and has engaged in cruel and unusual
punishment.

You mean Military Tribunals? The Bush Administration didn't make them
up... They have been around for a long time.

No, Federal Warrants.

The government, under the above communications act, can
have access to your credit card statements, mail and internet logs.

Electronic surveylance has not nearly kept up with electronic
advances.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Okay, so you DO condone Bush's trampling on our civil rights, but when
Obama might do the same, THEN it's bad?

On Apr 21, 8:43*am, wrote:
On Apr 20, 3:54*pm, wrote:





On Apr 20, 3:44*pm, wrote:

On Apr 20, 3:25*pm, wrote:

On Apr 20, 2:13*pm, wrote:

On Apr 20, 1:40*pm, wrote:

On Apr 20, 10:58*am, thunder wrote:

On Mon, 20 Apr 2009 06:42:36 -0700, threepontoon wrote:
Funny, the same liberal asses that were whining about their phone calls
being monitored are now apologists for the Obama administration. *The
lies and the monitoring of patriotic Americans is suddenly OK because
their guy is doing it. *Can you say "two-faced"? I knew you could.

LOL, I never said I liked it. *I said it's nothing new. *Oh, and there is
a big difference in monitoring private phone calls, and taking pictures
of someone in a public area. *Take your time, you might be able to see
the difference.

You don't think the monitoring is going to lead to phone calls?
Library cards? Home invasions??? * *Obama even has websites and orgs
set up where you can report people for having right to life, McCain,
and NRA stickers on your car...

Now look again at the film of the tea partys.. Do you see fighting,
stores being robbed and burned, buildings being blown apart or windows
smashed, speakers being forced off of the stage? Nope, that's
(violence) pretty much exclusively the "right" of the left over the
last few decades... Just ask any right leaning speaker who has been
invited to any campus lately.. The left will not tolerate free speech
unless it's theirs...

Where was the outrage when Bush and Cheney were (and still are)
stepping all over our rights under the guise of fighting terrorism?- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Please tell me what they did to smash our civil rights.. And please be
specific, not the usual library card thing, which according to
records, never really happened...- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

President Bush signed a bill that overhauled government surveillance
rules, and grants immunity to telecommunications companies that helped
the government eavesdrop on cell, landline, and computer
communications.

A bill supported by members of both parties and passed by the House
and Senate?

The administration lessened the burden of proof for federal warrants,
and decided that a jury by trial wasn't necessary for those charged
with terroristic crimes, and has engaged in cruel and unusual
punishment.

You mean Military Tribunals? The Bush Administration didn't make them
up... They have been around for a long time.

No, Federal Warrants.



The government, under the above communications act, can
have access to your credit card statements, mail and internet logs.

Electronic surveylance has not nearly kept up with electronic
advances.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Okay, so you DO condone Bush's trampling on our civil rights, but when
Obama might do the same, THEN it's bad?- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

I didn't see it as trampling our rights. Seems terrorist rights were
smashed, and good on that...

On Mon, 20 Apr 2009 10:40:05 -0700, justwaitafrekinminute wrote:


You don't think the monitoring is going to lead to phone calls? Library
cards? Home invasions??? Obama even has websites and orgs set up
where you can report people for having right to life, McCain, and NRA
stickers on your car...

I don't like any government that treats it's citizens like the enemy. I
didn't like it when it happened to the left, and I don't like it now, but
it's not a new phenomenon. The only thing new is it's happening to
you. ;-(

Now look again at the film of the tea partys.. Do you see fighting,
stores being robbed and burned, buildings being blown apart or windows
smashed, speakers being forced off of the stage? Nope, that's (violence)
pretty much exclusively the "right" of the left over the last few
decades... Just ask any right leaning speaker who has been invited to
any campus lately.. The left will not tolerate free speech unless it's
theirs...

Both extremes have difficulty with free speech, and violence occurs from
both sides. Timothy McVeigh ring a bell? How about the abortion clinic
bombings? I also say that a democracy has more to fear from the right,
than the left. Try finding a democracy that was overthrown from the
left. There are a few, but from the right, there are many, including a
failed one planned here in the USA. Do a search on Dupont and coup.

On Mon, 20 Apr 2009 13:15:25 -0500, thunder
wrote:

On Mon, 20 Apr 2009 10:40:05 -0700, justwaitafrekinminute wrote:


You don't think the monitoring is going to lead to phone calls? Library
cards? Home invasions??? Obama even has websites and orgs set up
where you can report people for having right to life, McCain, and NRA
stickers on your car...

I don't like any government that treats it's citizens like the enemy. I
didn't like it when it happened to the left, and I don't like it now, but
it's not a new phenomenon. The only thing new is it's happening to
you. ;-(

Now look again at the film of the tea partys.. Do you see fighting,
stores being robbed and burned, buildings being blown apart or windows
smashed, speakers being forced off of the stage? Nope, that's (violence)
pretty much exclusively the "right" of the left over the last few
decades... Just ask any right leaning speaker who has been invited to
any campus lately.. The left will not tolerate free speech unless it's
theirs...

Both extremes have difficulty with free speech, and violence occurs from
both sides. Timothy McVeigh ring a bell? How about the abortion clinic
bombings? I also say that a democracy has more to fear from the right,
than the left. Try finding a democracy that was overthrown from the
left. There are a few, but from the right, there are many, including a
failed one planned here in the USA. Do a search on Dupont and coup.

You may also want to mention Palin's gatherings that quickly descended
into "kill 'em!!!" or any number of racial or cultural epithets that
are precursors to violence.

Iranians who burn effigies in the streets would have recognized the
sentiment immediately.

wrote in message
...

You don't think the monitoring is going to lead to phone calls?
Library cards? Home invasions??? Obama even has websites and orgs
set up where you can report people for having right to life, McCain,
and NRA stickers on your car...

Now look again at the film of the tea partys.. Do you see fighting,
stores being robbed and burned, buildings being blown apart or windows
smashed, speakers being forced off of the stage? Nope, that's
(violence) pretty much exclusively the "right" of the left over the
last few decades... Just ask any right leaning speaker who has been
invited to any campus lately.. The left will not tolerate free speech
unless it's theirs...

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