More civil rights smashed by the Obamanation...
 

On Apr 21, 8:54*am, wrote:
On Apr 21, 8:43*am, wrote:





On Apr 20, 3:54*pm, wrote:

On Apr 20, 3:44*pm, wrote:

On Apr 20, 3:25*pm, wrote:

On Apr 20, 2:13*pm, wrote:

On Apr 20, 1:40*pm, wrote:

On Apr 20, 10:58*am, thunder wrote:

On Mon, 20 Apr 2009 06:42:36 -0700, threepontoon wrote:
Funny, the same liberal asses that were whining about their phone calls
being monitored are now apologists for the Obama administration. *The
lies and the monitoring of patriotic Americans is suddenly OK because
their guy is doing it. *Can you say "two-faced"? I knew you could.

LOL, I never said I liked it. *I said it's nothing new. *Oh, and there is
a big difference in monitoring private phone calls, and taking pictures
of someone in a public area. *Take your time, you might be able to see
the difference.

You don't think the monitoring is going to lead to phone calls?
Library cards? Home invasions??? * *Obama even has websites and orgs
set up where you can report people for having right to life, McCain,
and NRA stickers on your car...

Now look again at the film of the tea partys.. Do you see fighting,
stores being robbed and burned, buildings being blown apart or windows
smashed, speakers being forced off of the stage? Nope, that's
(violence) pretty much exclusively the "right" of the left over the
last few decades... Just ask any right leaning speaker who has been
invited to any campus lately.. The left will not tolerate free speech
unless it's theirs...

Where was the outrage when Bush and Cheney were (and still are)
stepping all over our rights under the guise of fighting terrorism?- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Please tell me what they did to smash our civil rights.. And please be
specific, not the usual library card thing, which according to
records, never really happened...- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

President Bush signed a bill that overhauled government surveillance
rules, and grants immunity to telecommunications companies that helped
the government eavesdrop on cell, landline, and computer
communications.

A bill supported by members of both parties and passed by the House
and Senate?

The administration lessened the burden of proof for federal warrants,
and decided that a jury by trial wasn't necessary for those charged
with terroristic crimes, and has engaged in cruel and unusual
punishment.

You mean Military Tribunals? The Bush Administration didn't make them
up... They have been around for a long time.

No, Federal Warrants.

The government, under the above communications act, can
have access to your credit card statements, mail and internet logs.

Electronic surveylance has not nearly kept up with electronic
advances.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Okay, so you DO condone Bush's trampling on our civil rights, but when
Obama might do the same, THEN it's bad?- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

I didn't see it as trampling our rights. Seems terrorist rights were
smashed, and good on that...- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Really? So where did the bill state that when they are going to allow
warrantless searches that it was for convicted terrorists only? Where
in the bill did it state that when they would allow cruel and unusual
punishment that it was for terrorists only? Where did it state that
under the new government surveillance that they would only be used on
terrorists? You DO believe in trial by a jury of your peers, don't
you?

More civil rights smashed by the Obamanation...
 

On Apr 20, 4:49 pm, HK wrote:

I suspect his family is just as uncouth as he is...you did see the photo
of his kid flipping the bird, right?

Which is worse, flipping the bird or wishing people who disagree with
you dead?

Johnson

More civil rights smashed by the Obamanation...
 

Johnson wrote:

On Apr 20, 4:49 pm, HK wrote:

I suspect his family is just as uncouth as he is...you did see the photo
of his kid flipping the bird, right?

Which is worse, flipping the bird or wishing people who disagree with
you dead?

Johnson

Flipping the bird is just a gesture. Wishing someone dead is downright
anti Christian.

More civil rights smashed by the Obamanation...
 

On Apr 21, 9:11*am, wrote:
On Apr 21, 8:54*am, wrote:





On Apr 21, 8:43*am, wrote:

On Apr 20, 3:54*pm, wrote:

On Apr 20, 3:44*pm, wrote:

On Apr 20, 3:25*pm, wrote:

On Apr 20, 2:13*pm, wrote:

On Apr 20, 1:40*pm, wrote:

On Apr 20, 10:58*am, thunder wrote:

On Mon, 20 Apr 2009 06:42:36 -0700, threepontoon wrote:
Funny, the same liberal asses that were whining about their phone calls
being monitored are now apologists for the Obama administration. *The
lies and the monitoring of patriotic Americans is suddenly OK because
their guy is doing it. *Can you say "two-faced"? I knew you could.

LOL, I never said I liked it. *I said it's nothing new. *Oh, and there is
a big difference in monitoring private phone calls, and taking pictures
of someone in a public area. *Take your time, you might be able to see
the difference.

You don't think the monitoring is going to lead to phone calls?
Library cards? Home invasions??? * *Obama even has websites and orgs
set up where you can report people for having right to life, McCain,
and NRA stickers on your car...

Now look again at the film of the tea partys.. Do you see fighting,
stores being robbed and burned, buildings being blown apart or windows
smashed, speakers being forced off of the stage? Nope, that's
(violence) pretty much exclusively the "right" of the left over the
last few decades... Just ask any right leaning speaker who has been
invited to any campus lately.. The left will not tolerate free speech
unless it's theirs...

Where was the outrage when Bush and Cheney were (and still are)
stepping all over our rights under the guise of fighting terrorism?- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Please tell me what they did to smash our civil rights.. And please be
specific, not the usual library card thing, which according to
records, never really happened...- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

President Bush signed a bill that overhauled government surveillance
rules, and grants immunity to telecommunications companies that helped
the government eavesdrop on cell, landline, and computer
communications.

A bill supported by members of both parties and passed by the House
and Senate?

The administration lessened the burden of proof for federal warrants,
and decided that a jury by trial wasn't necessary for those charged
with terroristic crimes, and has engaged in cruel and unusual
punishment.

You mean Military Tribunals? The Bush Administration didn't make them
up... They have been around for a long time.

No, Federal Warrants.

The government, under the above communications act, can
have access to your credit card statements, mail and internet logs.

Electronic surveylance has not nearly kept up with electronic
advances.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Okay, so you DO condone Bush's trampling on our civil rights, but when
Obama might do the same, THEN it's bad?- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

I didn't see it as trampling our rights. Seems terrorist rights were
smashed, and good on that...- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Really? So where did the bill state that when they are going to allow
warrantless searches that it was for convicted terrorists only? Where
in the bill did it state that when they would allow cruel and unusual
punishment that it was for terrorists only? Where did it state that
under the new government surveillance that they would only be used on
terrorists? You DO believe in trial by a jury of your peers, don't
you?- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Well then, back to the origional question.. Who's rights were
smashed.. How many innocent Americans had warrantless searches? Who
suffered cruel and unusual punishment (note, I don't think calling
names or putting water on someones head compares to sawing someones
head off and then sending the video to the family)? Who was tapped
that was not talking to someone under investigation? Right now,
regular Americans are being harassed just because they went to a
peaceful rally. They didn't throw pies or rocks at anyone, they didn't
stifle free speech with banners and violence because they didn't
agree, they didn't burn buildings or put peoples personal info on line
to intimidate them... Those are far left things. And as to Tim
McVeigh, he was one guy, I am getting about as sick of that analagy as
the Hitler one the far left throws out every day... But either way,
what innocents were abused, certainly nobody we know...

More civil rights smashed by the Obamanation...
 

On Apr 21, 9:16*am, Johnson wrote:
On Apr 20, 4:49 pm, HK wrote:
I suspect his family is just as uncouth as he is...you did see the photo
of his kid flipping the bird, right?

Which is worse, flipping the bird or wishing people who disagree with
you dead?

Johnson

And after all, whoever that was in the video (can't really tell with
all that safety gear on), they were flipping off Harry;) Harry is just
mad because he didn't spend enough time with his own kids so they
disowned him years ago... Of course he did have time to paint his
granddaughter up like a harpie and pimp her on the internet... Sad
really that this is all he has...

More civil rights smashed by the Obamanation...
 

On Apr 21, 9:57*am, wrote:
On Apr 21, 9:11*am, wrote:





On Apr 21, 8:54*am, wrote:

On Apr 21, 8:43*am, wrote:

On Apr 20, 3:54*pm, wrote:

On Apr 20, 3:44*pm, wrote:

On Apr 20, 3:25*pm, wrote:

On Apr 20, 2:13*pm, wrote:

On Apr 20, 1:40*pm, wrote:

On Apr 20, 10:58*am, thunder wrote:

On Mon, 20 Apr 2009 06:42:36 -0700, threepontoon wrote:
Funny, the same liberal asses that were whining about their phone calls
being monitored are now apologists for the Obama administration. *The
lies and the monitoring of patriotic Americans is suddenly OK because
their guy is doing it. *Can you say "two-faced"? I knew you could.

LOL, I never said I liked it. *I said it's nothing new. *Oh, and there is
a big difference in monitoring private phone calls, and taking pictures
of someone in a public area. *Take your time, you might be able to see
the difference.

You don't think the monitoring is going to lead to phone calls?
Library cards? Home invasions??? * *Obama even has websites and orgs
set up where you can report people for having right to life, McCain,
and NRA stickers on your car...

Now look again at the film of the tea partys.. Do you see fighting,
stores being robbed and burned, buildings being blown apart or windows
smashed, speakers being forced off of the stage? Nope, that's
(violence) pretty much exclusively the "right" of the left over the
last few decades... Just ask any right leaning speaker who has been
invited to any campus lately.. The left will not tolerate free speech
unless it's theirs...

Where was the outrage when Bush and Cheney were (and still are)
stepping all over our rights under the guise of fighting terrorism?- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Please tell me what they did to smash our civil rights.. And please be
specific, not the usual library card thing, which according to
records, never really happened...- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

President Bush signed a bill that overhauled government surveillance
rules, and grants immunity to telecommunications companies that helped
the government eavesdrop on cell, landline, and computer
communications.

A bill supported by members of both parties and passed by the House
and Senate?

The administration lessened the burden of proof for federal warrants,
and decided that a jury by trial wasn't necessary for those charged
with terroristic crimes, and has engaged in cruel and unusual
punishment.

You mean Military Tribunals? The Bush Administration didn't make them
up... They have been around for a long time.

No, Federal Warrants.

The government, under the above communications act, can
have access to your credit card statements, mail and internet logs.

Electronic surveylance has not nearly kept up with electronic
advances.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Okay, so you DO condone Bush's trampling on our civil rights, but when
Obama might do the same, THEN it's bad?- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

I didn't see it as trampling our rights. Seems terrorist rights were
smashed, and good on that...- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Really? So where did the bill state that when they are going to allow
warrantless searches that it was for convicted terrorists only? Where
in the bill did it state that when they would allow cruel and unusual
punishment that it was for terrorists only? Where did it state that
under the new government surveillance that they would only be used on
terrorists? You DO believe in trial by a jury of your peers, don't
you?- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Well then, back to the origional question.. Who's rights were
smashed..

Lot's of people's rights were smashed.


How many innocent Americans had warrantless searches?

Who knows for sure?

Who
suffered cruel and unusual punishment (note, I don't think calling
names or putting water on someones head compares to sawing someones
head off and then sending the video to the family)?

It has been deemed in Federal Court that it was cruel and unusual.

Who was tapped
that was not talking to someone under investigation?

Who knows, they don't report those things.

Right now,
regular Americans are being harassed just because they went to a
peaceful rally.

Okay, the tide turns....WHO has been harassed because they went to a
peaceful rally?

They didn't throw pies or rocks at anyone, they didn't
stifle free speech with banners and violence because they didn't
agree, they didn't burn buildings or put peoples personal info on line
to intimidate them... Those are far left things. And as to Tim
McVeigh, he was one guy, I am getting about as sick of that analagy as
the Hitler one the far left throws out every day... But either way,
what innocents were abused, certainly nobody we know...- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Your problem is that you are now saying that if someone wasn't
directly affected by the Bush administration's bill allowing these
things, then their rights weren't smashed. Simply not true. BUT, you
are saying that Obama's rulings have harmed people, but using your
ideals, they really haven't been harmed unless you can name those
people affected.
I still believe in a trial by jury.

More civil rights smashed by the Obamanation...
 

On Apr 21, 10:34*am, wrote:
On Apr 21, 9:57*am, wrote:





On Apr 21, 9:11*am, wrote:

On Apr 21, 8:54*am, wrote:

On Apr 21, 8:43*am, wrote:

On Apr 20, 3:54*pm, wrote:

On Apr 20, 3:44*pm, wrote:

On Apr 20, 3:25*pm, wrote:

On Apr 20, 2:13*pm, wrote:

On Apr 20, 1:40*pm, wrote:

On Apr 20, 10:58*am, thunder wrote:

On Mon, 20 Apr 2009 06:42:36 -0700, threepontoon wrote:
Funny, the same liberal asses that were whining about their phone calls
being monitored are now apologists for the Obama administration. *The
lies and the monitoring of patriotic Americans is suddenly OK because
their guy is doing it. *Can you say "two-faced"? I knew you could.

LOL, I never said I liked it. *I said it's nothing new. *Oh, and there is
a big difference in monitoring private phone calls, and taking pictures
of someone in a public area. *Take your time, you might be able to see
the difference.

You don't think the monitoring is going to lead to phone calls?
Library cards? Home invasions??? * *Obama even has websites and orgs
set up where you can report people for having right to life, McCain,
and NRA stickers on your car...

Now look again at the film of the tea partys.. Do you see fighting,
stores being robbed and burned, buildings being blown apart or windows
smashed, speakers being forced off of the stage? Nope, that's
(violence) pretty much exclusively the "right" of the left over the
last few decades... Just ask any right leaning speaker who has been
invited to any campus lately.. The left will not tolerate free speech
unless it's theirs...

Where was the outrage when Bush and Cheney were (and still are)
stepping all over our rights under the guise of fighting terrorism?- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Please tell me what they did to smash our civil rights.. And please be
specific, not the usual library card thing, which according to
records, never really happened...- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

President Bush signed a bill that overhauled government surveillance
rules, and grants immunity to telecommunications companies that helped
the government eavesdrop on cell, landline, and computer
communications.

A bill supported by members of both parties and passed by the House
and Senate?

The administration lessened the burden of proof for federal warrants,
and decided that a jury by trial wasn't necessary for those charged
with terroristic crimes, and has engaged in cruel and unusual
punishment.

You mean Military Tribunals? The Bush Administration didn't make them
up... They have been around for a long time.

No, Federal Warrants.

The government, under the above communications act, can
have access to your credit card statements, mail and internet logs.

Electronic surveylance has not nearly kept up with electronic
advances.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Okay, so you DO condone Bush's trampling on our civil rights, but when
Obama might do the same, THEN it's bad?- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

I didn't see it as trampling our rights. Seems terrorist rights were
smashed, and good on that...- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Really? So where did the bill state that when they are going to allow
warrantless searches that it was for convicted terrorists only? Where
in the bill did it state that when they would allow cruel and unusual
punishment that it was for terrorists only? Where did it state that
under the new government surveillance that they would only be used on
terrorists? You DO believe in trial by a jury of your peers, don't
you?- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Well then, back to the origional question.. Who's rights were
smashed..

Lot's of people's rights were smashed.

How many innocent Americans had warrantless searches?

Who knows for sure?

*Who

suffered cruel and unusual punishment (note, I don't think calling
names or putting water on someones head compares to sawing someones
head off and then sending the video to the family)?

It has been deemed in Federal Court that it was cruel and unusual.

*Who was tapped

that was not talking to someone under investigation?

Who knows, they don't report those things.

*Right now,

regular Americans are being harassed just because they went to a
peaceful rally.

Okay, the tide turns....WHO has been harassed because they went to a
peaceful rally?

*They didn't throw pies or rocks at anyone, they didn't

stifle free speech with banners and violence because they didn't
agree, they didn't burn buildings or put peoples personal info on line
to intimidate them... Those are far left things. And as to Tim
McVeigh, he was one guy, I am getting about as sick of that analagy as
the Hitler one the far left throws out every day... But either way,
what innocents were abused, certainly nobody we know...- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Your problem is that you are now saying that if someone wasn't
directly affected by the Bush administration's bill allowing these
things, then their rights weren't smashed. Simply not true. BUT, you
are saying that Obama's rulings have harmed people, but using your
ideals, they really haven't been harmed unless you can name those
people affected.
I still believe in a trial by jury.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Not going to argue with you here Loog. We are friends and I truly
believe you want the same thing for America and your family as I do.
Either way, my posts here are meant to expose the few dishonest "far
left" liars here... You know who they are... Someday over a beer
maybe, maybe not, might just drink the beer...;)

More civil rights smashed by the Obamanation...
 

On Apr 21, 11:47*am, wrote:
On Apr 21, 10:34*am, wrote:





On Apr 21, 9:57*am, wrote:

On Apr 21, 9:11*am, wrote:

On Apr 21, 8:54*am, wrote:

On Apr 21, 8:43*am, wrote:

On Apr 20, 3:54*pm, wrote:

On Apr 20, 3:44*pm, wrote:

On Apr 20, 3:25*pm, wrote:

On Apr 20, 2:13*pm, wrote:

On Apr 20, 1:40*pm, wrote:

On Apr 20, 10:58*am, thunder wrote:

On Mon, 20 Apr 2009 06:42:36 -0700, threepontoon wrote:
Funny, the same liberal asses that were whining about their phone calls
being monitored are now apologists for the Obama administration. *The
lies and the monitoring of patriotic Americans is suddenly OK because
their guy is doing it. *Can you say "two-faced"? I knew you could.

LOL, I never said I liked it. *I said it's nothing new. *Oh, and there is
a big difference in monitoring private phone calls, and taking pictures
of someone in a public area. *Take your time, you might be able to see
the difference.

You don't think the monitoring is going to lead to phone calls?
Library cards? Home invasions??? * *Obama even has websites and orgs
set up where you can report people for having right to life, McCain,
and NRA stickers on your car...

Now look again at the film of the tea partys.. Do you see fighting,
stores being robbed and burned, buildings being blown apart or windows
smashed, speakers being forced off of the stage? Nope, that's
(violence) pretty much exclusively the "right" of the left over the
last few decades... Just ask any right leaning speaker who has been
invited to any campus lately.. The left will not tolerate free speech
unless it's theirs...

Where was the outrage when Bush and Cheney were (and still are)
stepping all over our rights under the guise of fighting terrorism?- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Please tell me what they did to smash our civil rights.. And please be
specific, not the usual library card thing, which according to
records, never really happened...- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

President Bush signed a bill that overhauled government surveillance
rules, and grants immunity to telecommunications companies that helped
the government eavesdrop on cell, landline, and computer
communications.

A bill supported by members of both parties and passed by the House
and Senate?

The administration lessened the burden of proof for federal warrants,
and decided that a jury by trial wasn't necessary for those charged
with terroristic crimes, and has engaged in cruel and unusual
punishment.

You mean Military Tribunals? The Bush Administration didn't make them
up... They have been around for a long time.

No, Federal Warrants.

The government, under the above communications act, can
have access to your credit card statements, mail and internet logs.

Electronic surveylance has not nearly kept up with electronic
advances.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Okay, so you DO condone Bush's trampling on our civil rights, but when
Obama might do the same, THEN it's bad?- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

I didn't see it as trampling our rights. Seems terrorist rights were
smashed, and good on that...- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Really? So where did the bill state that when they are going to allow
warrantless searches that it was for convicted terrorists only? Where
in the bill did it state that when they would allow cruel and unusual
punishment that it was for terrorists only? Where did it state that
under the new government surveillance that they would only be used on
terrorists? You DO believe in trial by a jury of your peers, don't
you?- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Well then, back to the origional question.. Who's rights were
smashed..

Lot's of people's rights were smashed.

How many innocent Americans had warrantless searches?

Who knows for sure?

*Who

suffered cruel and unusual punishment (note, I don't think calling
names or putting water on someones head compares to sawing someones
head off and then sending the video to the family)?

It has been deemed in Federal Court that it was cruel and unusual.

*Who was tapped

that was not talking to someone under investigation?

Who knows, they don't report those things.

*Right now,

regular Americans are being harassed just because they went to a
peaceful rally.

Okay, the tide turns....WHO has been harassed because they went to a
peaceful rally?

*They didn't throw pies or rocks at anyone, they didn't

stifle free speech with banners and violence because they didn't
agree, they didn't burn buildings or put peoples personal info on line
to intimidate them... Those are far left things. And as to Tim
McVeigh, he was one guy, I am getting about as sick of that analagy as
the Hitler one the far left throws out every day... But either way,
what innocents were abused, certainly nobody we know...- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Your problem is that you are now saying that if someone wasn't
directly affected by the Bush administration's bill allowing these
things, then their rights weren't smashed. Simply not true. BUT, you
are saying that Obama's rulings have harmed people, but using your
ideals, they really haven't been harmed unless you can name those
people affected.
I still believe in a trial by jury.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Not going to argue with you here Loog. We are friends and I truly
believe you want the same thing for America and your family as I do.
Either way, my posts here are meant to expose the few dishonest "far
left" liars here... You know who they are... Someday over a beer
maybe, maybe not, might just drink the beer...;)- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

That crap can taint a good beer! And I realize who your target is, and
know it isn't me. And yes, there are liars, and intellectually
dishonest people......on both sides of the fence.

More civil rights smashed by the Obamanation...
 

On Tue, 21 Apr 2009 09:54:23 -0400, jim78565 wrote:

Johnson wrote:

On Apr 20, 4:49 pm, HK wrote:

I suspect his family is just as uncouth as he is...you did see the photo
of his kid flipping the bird, right?

Which is worse, flipping the bird or wishing people who disagree with
you dead?

Johnson

Flipping the bird is just a gesture. Wishing someone dead is downright
anti Christian.

Which is worse, sitting idly by while the politician of your choice
strips you of your civil rights or screaming bloody murder when the
opposition party threatens to do the same?

More civil rights smashed by the Obamanation...
 

On Apr 21, 2:44*pm, jps wrote:
On Tue, 21 Apr 2009 09:54:23 -0400, jim78565 wrote:
Johnson wrote:

On Apr 20, 4:49 pm, HK wrote:

I suspect his family is just as uncouth as he is...you did see the photo
of his kid flipping the bird, right?

Which is worse, flipping the bird or wishing people who disagree with
you dead?

Johnson

Flipping the bird is just a gesture. Wishing someone dead is downright
anti Christian.

Which is worse, sitting idly by while the politician of your choice
strips you of your civil rights or screaming bloody murder when the
opposition party threatens to do the same?

I think it's worse to determine someone is stripping your rights
because Michael Moore and Arianna Huffington say so.... But then
again, you are well known for culling the facts to suit your agenda...