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"Tim" wrote in message
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Thanks guys. I'm not blinded to the fact that it can't happen,but i
suppose thats from leading a sheltered life of fresh-water trailer
boating.....

?;^ )


Fresh water boating and salt water boating are two different animals, that's
for sure.
Also, boats that stay in the water (at a slip or mooring) for the entire
season or year-round, particularly in salt water, lead a rough life compared
to a trailered boat that is hauled and kept "dry" most of the time.

Eisboch

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On Thu, 16 Apr 2009 01:54:31 -0400, "Eisboch"
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Remember the old Century with the rotted out engine plug that was ****ing
water out the side of the engine? For those people not familiar with this
story, it wasn't a "freeze" plug. It was a heavy, threaded plug in the side
wall of the raw water cooled (GM) 350 engine that rotted away over time.
I noticed it after starting the engine and saw a healthy stream of water
coming out of the side of the engine.

I also had that happen to the 350 in my old runabout. It was right
underneath the exhaust manifold on the port side and a real bear to
replace.

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"Wayne.B" wrote in message
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On Thu, 16 Apr 2009 01:54:31 -0400, "Eisboch"
wrote:

Remember the old Century with the rotted out engine plug that was ****ing
water out the side of the engine? For those people not familiar with
this
story, it wasn't a "freeze" plug. It was a heavy, threaded plug in the
side
wall of the raw water cooled (GM) 350 engine that rotted away over time.
I noticed it after starting the engine and saw a healthy stream of water
coming out of the side of the engine.

I also had that happen to the 350 in my old runabout. It was right
underneath the exhaust manifold on the port side and a real bear to
replace.


That's the one. In my case it was temporarily fixed with some Marine Tex
to get through the remaining boating season and then the plug was replaced
after hauling. The Century's engine access was horrible and the plug was
virtually impossible to replace without removing the manifold.

Eisboch

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On Thu, 16 Apr 2009 01:54:31 -0400, "Eisboch"
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"jim78565" wrote in message
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Tim wrote:

Dave, I was wondering abou that myself. I've never known of anybody
having an oil pan rust though like what Richard is describing.
besides, if it was THAT bad, then the bildge would already be filed
with oil, I would think.

I'm wondering if the gasket[s] or main seals are leaking instead?


Salt water takes it's toll. This is not uncommon to have a pan rusted out.
He's lucky to have caught it before it leaked. The corners of the sump and
near the drain plug are usually the problem areas because they are the
lowest and wettest parts of the pan.



I've heard the same thing and have been told that you need to be
particularly careful not to scratch the paint on the pans with wrenches or
when pulling the engine for any repairs. As you know, I've had a bunch of
older boats in the past, but this is the first time I've had to deal with
this issue. I *do* know that replacement marine oil pans are available in
aluminum specifically made to avoid rusting.

Remember the old Century with the rotted out engine plug that was ****ing
water out the side of the engine? For those people not familiar with this
story, it wasn't a "freeze" plug. It was a heavy, threaded plug in the side
wall of the raw water cooled (GM) 350 engine that rotted away over time.
I noticed it after starting the engine and saw a healthy stream of water
coming out of the side of the engine.

I've had older cars that got pinhole leaks in the gas tank, but never in the
oil pan (that I know of).

They have made a zillion gas tanks from Terne plate, lead coated
steel. Very rust resistant, although not perfect.

Casady

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On Wed, 15 Apr 2009 19:11:38 -0500, Dave Brown
wrote:

Eisboch wrote:

Ran into a potential problem with the boat sale. The buyer's surveyor
discovered that the oil pans on the engines were in bad shape and need
to be replaced. I never noticed (although I never really personally
inspected them having owned the boat for less than a year) and the
surveyor I had when I bought it missed them completely.

Just for my own further education, how did he determine they were not
longer fit for service? Has the boat seen salt water? I have only ever
had to replace one oil pan in 33 years working on boats (and it was
cracked) so this is very interesting to me.

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On Thu, 16 Apr 2009 01:59:37 -0400, "Eisboch"
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Thanks guys. I'm not blinded to the fact that it can't happen,but i
suppose thats from leading a sheltered life of fresh-water trailer
boating.....

Can I get an OooRah for outboards over inboards in salt water ?
;-)

I never liked that much hardware in a place I couldn't get to.



I agree, but outboards aren't really practical on a 40 foot cruiser.

Eisboch

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On Thu, 16 Apr 2009 12:56:31 -0400, "Eisboch"
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Can I get an OooRah for outboards over inboards in salt water ?
;-)

I never liked that much hardware in a place I couldn't get to.



I agree, but outboards aren't really practical on a 40 foot cruiser.

Eisboch




I keep forgetting you guys are not really "boaters" you are
"yachtsmen" ;-)


On the other hand when I see these guys with three 275s on the back, I
wonder why you couldn't have outboards.



$$$$$$$$

Three 275hp outboards are mighty expensive, compared to two 454ci inboards.

Plus, handling becomes a significant issue. Outboards would radically
change the
pivot point (or whatever you call it) on a larger boat, I would think.
I've watched boats as large as a 36' with outboards (four, big Mercs)
maneuver into a slip. It appears much easier to do with inboards where you
have two props located further forward. I don't know for a fact, because
I've never tried it, but it appears to be more difficult with outboards from
watching.

BTW, a forty footer is hardly a yacht. I used to think the Navigator we
had was a big boat at 52'8" LOA until I took it to Florida. Down there it
was a peanut.

Eisboch

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On Thu, 16 Apr 2009 16:50:39 -0400, wrote:

On Thu, 16 Apr 2009 16:00:54 -0400, "Eisboch"
wrote:

BTW, a forty footer is hardly a yacht. I used to think the Navigator we
had was a big boat at 52'8" LOA until I took it to Florida. Down there it
was a peanut.

Yup, when you take a little cruise down the New River in Ftc
Lauderdale you get a hint how the rich people live and that still
isn't Palm Beach.
I am still chugging around in "The Butt Ugly" and pretty happy with my
1 GPH even if gas is half price now.
As Wayne can tell you, I am not getting a 40 footer down my canal.

I certainly hope not. Sounds painful.

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On Thu, 16 Apr 2009 16:00:54 -0400, "Eisboch"
wrote:

BTW, a forty footer is hardly a yacht. I used to think the Navigator we
had was a big boat at 52'8" LOA until I took it to Florida. Down there
it
was a peanut.

Yup, when you take a little cruise down the New River in Ftc
Lauderdale you get a hint how the rich people live and that still
isn't Palm Beach.
I am still chugging around in "The Butt Ugly" and pretty happy with my
1 GPH even if gas is half price now.
As Wayne can tell you, I am not getting a 40 footer down my canal.


I often think now that we should have kept the Grand Banks. It was slow,
but relaxing.
The only time I felt any anxiousness was transiting the Cape Cod Canal at
the wrong time (meaning against a 5-6 kt current). The speed drop off
wasn't a big issue, but the way the current swirls through certain sections
it makes the bow want to fall off one way or the other. I suspect if it
happened it could be tough trying to come around again. My other fear was
going through *with* the current and having them lower the railroad bridge
you go under as you approached it. If too close, the procedure would be to
turn around (against the current) and throttle up hoping to keep you in
place and not up against the bridge.

At only 120hp and a single screw, it didn't have much power.

Eisboch

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On Apr 16, 6:34 pm, "Eisboch" wrote:
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Horsepower limited by width of transom. Example
http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=24euqu9&s=5

If that's for real, it's insane.
I have to check that out closely for PhotoShop evidence.

Eisboch

It's real, Richard. There was discussion on here some time ago about
it.
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I don't know. I'll buy the four center engines. I don't see any
obvious umbilical cables running to the four outboard engines.

Eisboch



Looks to me like the outboard engines (the ones closest to the
gunnels) are mounted 10-12" higher than the four engines in the
center. Not likely.

I've seen quad setups like that. The two center engines are mounted
lower than the two outboard engines. There's a 36' Yellowfin CC down
at the marina with quad Mercs on it set up as described.

Eisboch

Yes, of course, typically 25" and 30" engines. That's 5".