Chrysler
 

You know they are in trouble when Fiat is getting cold feet about a merger.

Another one about to bite the dust.

Eisboch

Chrysler
 

Eisboch wrote:

You know they are in trouble when Fiat is getting cold feet about a merger.

Another one about to bite the dust.

Eisboch


FIAT wants to bust the UAW before it'll invest in Chrysler. What we need
to do in this country is detach health benefits from employment and make
sure that private pension liabilities are fully funded. Too much cooking
of the books on the latter has resulted in workers losing earned
pensions because of bad corporate management.

Chrysler
 

On Wed, 15 Apr 2009 08:11:09 -0400, "Eisboch"
wrote:


You know they are in trouble when Fiat is getting cold feet about a merger.

Another one about to bite the dust.

Eisboch

Good troll.

Worked too!
--
John H

"The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those
who are willing to work and give to those who would not."
Thomas Jefferson

Chrysler
 

John H wrote:
On Wed, 15 Apr 2009 08:11:09 -0400, "Eisboch"
wrote:

You know they are in trouble when Fiat is getting cold feet about a merger.

Another one about to bite the dust.

Eisboch

Good troll.

Worked too!
--
John H

"The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those
who are willing to work and give to those who would not."
Thomas Jefferson

Eisboch can troll with the best of em. I taught him well. ;-)

Chrysler
 

On Apr 15, 8:11*am, "Eisboch" wrote:
You know they are in trouble when Fiat is getting cold feet about a merger.

Chrysler
 

On Apr 15, 8:11*am, "Eisboch" wrote:
You know they are in trouble when Fiat is getting cold feet about a merger.

Chrysler
 

On Apr 15, 8:24*am, HK wrote:
Eisboch wrote:

You know they are in trouble when Fiat is getting cold feet about a merger.

Another one about to bite the dust.

Eisboch

FIAT wants to bust the UAW before it'll invest in Chrysler. What we need
to do in this country is detach health benefits from employment and make
sure that private pension liabilities are fully funded. Too much cooking
of the books on the latter has resulted in workers losing earned
pensions because of bad corporate management.

Too late for some of the Pension funds..... like GM. Giving high
bonuses to fat-ass Execs, instead of investing the collected Employee
funds where they BELONGED. Waggoner should pay the entire toll out of
his own pocket.
My Brother is right...think I'll buy a Hunting Rifle.
At least our shop has made the Union accountable for our pension fund.
Hugh Sawyer out of Georgia, supposedly was hired to turn our Company
around.... he accomplished Bankruptcy. The little **** wont venture
into Canada...he's a marked man.

Chrysler
 

On Apr 15, 11:35*am, wrote:
On Apr 15, 8:11*am, "Eisboch" wrote:

You know they are in trouble when Fiat is getting cold feet about a merger.

Another one about to bite the dust.

Eisboch

"Reports have surfaced in London that Italian automaker Fiat is ready
to walk away from the Chrysler deal. The bone of contention is high
labor costs. The Italian firm has given the U.S. auto firm and
Canadian and American labor unions until the end of the month to
"significantly reduce labor costs." This revelation was made in an
interview of Fiat's CEO Sergio Marchionne in the Canadian newspaper
the Globe and Mail. Fiat wants Chrysler to lower the labor costs to
Japanese and German plants levels."

Sounds like Fiat doesn't want to fund the overpaid UAW workers at
Chysler. *They may have to come down to earth to keep their jobs.

Like the over-paid asshole Execs? Like they're going to take a pay
cut. You tell the Food Suppliers, Utility Companies, Gas Companies,
etc. to TAKE A CUT.
We DONT live in Germany, or Japan.
Tell Fiat to stick they're cars in their ass.Stay in Italy. All they
want out of the merger, is access to North American Markets.

Chrysler
 

wrote in message
...
On Apr 15, 8:11 am, "Eisboch" wrote:
You know they are in trouble when Fiat is getting cold feet about a
merger.

Another one about to bite the dust.

Eisboch

They've threatened to pull out of Canada if they don't " get what they
want".Fiat has most likely looked at the Management (as ****ty as it
is ) and are nervous. The CAW has said if that happens, they'll never
sell another car in Canada.
Besides, the Canadian employees do more work, with less injury....


---------------------------

You spinmiesters crack me up. Go read the announcement by Fiat.
It specifically states that they want the UAW and CAW to get in line with
the pay and benefit packages typical of Toyota and Honda. It also states
that the strongest opposition to the Fiat requirements are coming from the
CAW. So far, the CAW won't budge. Pretty soon they will be out of a job.

Eisboch

Chrysler
 

"jim78565" wrote in message
...
John H wrote:
On Wed, 15 Apr 2009 08:11:09 -0400, "Eisboch"
wrote:

You know they are in trouble when Fiat is getting cold feet about a
merger.

Another one about to bite the dust.

Eisboch

Good troll.

Worked too!
--
John H

"The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those
who are willing to work and give to those who would not." Thomas
Jefferson

Eisboch can troll with the best of em. I taught him well. ;-)

You taught him?
About the only things you're qualified to teach are belching & farting.

Chrysler
 

"Don White" wrote in message
...

"jim78565" wrote in message
...
John H wrote:
On Wed, 15 Apr 2009 08:11:09 -0400, "Eisboch"
wrote:

You know they are in trouble when Fiat is getting cold feet about a
merger.

Another one about to bite the dust.

Eisboch

Good troll.

Worked too!
--
John H

"The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those
who are willing to work and give to those who would not." Thomas
Jefferson

Eisboch can troll with the best of em. I taught him well. ;-)

You taught him?
About the only things you're qualified to teach are belching & farting.


No. I taught *him* those talents.

Eisboch

Chrysler
 

"Eisboch" wrote in message
...

"Don White" wrote in message
...

"jim78565" wrote in message
...
John H wrote:
On Wed, 15 Apr 2009 08:11:09 -0400, "Eisboch"
wrote:

You know they are in trouble when Fiat is getting cold feet about a
merger.

Another one about to bite the dust.

Eisboch

Good troll.

Worked too!
--
John H

"The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those
who are willing to work and give to those who would not." Thomas
Jefferson

Eisboch can troll with the best of em. I taught him well. ;-)

You taught him?
About the only things you're qualified to teach are belching & farting.


No. I taught *him* those talents.

Eisboch


Well..you taught well!
We should move you down to Wall Street to teach those guys ethics.

Chrysler
 

"Eisboch" wrote in message
...

You know they are in trouble when Fiat is getting cold feet about a
merger.

Another one about to bite the dust.

Eisboch

Chrysler is as good as gone. CAW/UAW are taking a stand with not enough
meaningful concessions and wasting time. Fiat would be better off to import
and start intrinsic growth and forget Chrysler. And then there are
suppliers... Cerberus no doubt wants some cash too.... Chrysler is a deer
looking at a train and on the tracks... 14 days left.

Chrysler
 

"HK" wrote in message
m...
Eisboch wrote:

You know they are in trouble when Fiat is getting cold feet about a
merger.

Another one about to bite the dust.

Eisboch


FIAT wants to bust the UAW before it'll invest in Chrysler. What we need
to do in this country is detach health benefits from employment and make
sure that private pension liabilities are fully funded. Too much cooking
of the books on the latter has resulted in workers losing earned pensions
because of bad corporate management.

Yep, Chrysler, and GM for that mater, will both be much cheaper in chapter
7, and in chapter 7 the CAW/UAW contracts become null and void as does all
the other excessive garbage. In a chapter 7 buyout they could squish the
unions, fire the crappy managment without severance, renegotiate supply
agreements and not worry about bond holders or share holders. Nice and
clean like. Maybe even mash the two together and highest bidder gets the
lot. Possibly sell them to the Chinese government now that they have almost
$2T in cash.

But I can't see GM or Chrysler making a deal now, they are doubly bankrupt
and allowed to operate too long without meaningful changes and bankruptcy to
force the needed change. They are dog investments as they sit.

Chrysler
 

wrote in message
...
On Apr 15, 8:11 am, "Eisboch" wrote:
You know they are in trouble when Fiat is getting cold feet about a
merger.

Another one about to bite the dust.

Eisboch

They've threatened to pull out of Canada if they don't " get what they
want".Fiat has most likely looked at the Management (as ****ty as it
is ) and are nervous. The CAW has said if that happens, they'll never
sell another car in Canada.
Besides, the Canadian employees do more work, with less injury....
--------
But grossly too expensive. Shut them down.

Chrysler
 

"Eisboch" wrote in message
...

wrote in message
...
On Apr 15, 8:11 am, "Eisboch" wrote:
You know they are in trouble when Fiat is getting cold feet about a
merger.

Another one about to bite the dust.

Eisboch

They've threatened to pull out of Canada if they don't " get what they
want".Fiat has most likely looked at the Management (as ****ty as it
is ) and are nervous. The CAW has said if that happens, they'll never
sell another car in Canada.
Besides, the Canadian employees do more work, with less injury....


---------------------------

You spinmiesters crack me up. Go read the announcement by Fiat.
It specifically states that they want the UAW and CAW to get in line with
the pay and benefit packages typical of Toyota and Honda. It also states
that the strongest opposition to the Fiat requirements are coming from
the CAW. So far, the CAW won't budge. Pretty soon they will be out of a
job.

Eisboch

Chrysler doesn't pay it's tax bills either. They owe Canada $500,000 from
2002 or something like that. Real welchers. Shut them down, we don't need
that kind of leach business model in Canada. Plus, from what friends tell
me they still don't know how to make a automatic transmission. Ya, I bought
2 in the past and learned the hard way.

May tag says what I think of GM & Chrysler.

_
/'_/)
,/_ /
/ /
/'_'/' '/'__'7,
/'/ / / /" /_\
('( ' /' ')
\ /
'\' _.7'
\ (
\ \
GM, GMAC, Carlyle, Chrysler-Cerberus, CAW-UAW, get your
selfish greedy hands out of our pockets!
We don't steal from you!
Why do you steal from us?

Chrysler
 

Nope... but we have barely high school grad UAW workers making more
than college grads. *

As half-educated Sports Players do as well....what's the point? Are
THEY gonna take a " pay-cut?"
Are rich, pensioned-off ex-employees of mega corporations going to
take a " pay-cut" in their pensions?
Are the Companies who ripped-off pension funds going to give back the
money they STOLE from the Employees?
Once they all do, I'll take a pay cut.

Chrysler
 

On Wed, 15 Apr 2009 18:58:13 -0700 (PDT), wrote:



Nope... but we have barely high school grad UAW workers making more
than college grads. *

As half-educated Sports Players do as well....what's the point? Are
THEY gonna take a " pay-cut?"
Are rich, pensioned-off ex-employees of mega corporations going to
take a " pay-cut" in their pensions?
Are the Companies who ripped-off pension funds going to give back the
money they STOLE from the Employees?
Once they all do, I'll take a pay cut.

Nope, "conservatives" assume the last person left holding the bag is
who's responsible.

Why should the suits on Wall Street get bailed out and the auto
industry allowed to wither? They were both irresponsible and short
sighted and we depend on both industries to create our consumer
economy.

Chrysler
 

"jps" wrote in message
...


Why should the suits on Wall Street get bailed out and the auto
industry allowed to wither? They were both irresponsible and short
sighted and we depend on both industries to create our consumer
economy.


It doesn't seem fair, but it's necessary. A total collapse of Wall Street
and the banking/financial sector would present a much bigger problem than
the collapse or bankruptcy of GM.

Yes, both industries were irresponsible and short sighted, but we need to
focus on the dog, not the tail. It would be nice if we could afford to fix
everything, but we can't.

To an idealistic thinking person like you it doesn't seem right, but the
reality is that the financial community needs to be stabilized to prevent a
massive, deep depression. Hurtful as it may be, we can survive without a
GM or Chrysler in their current configurations.

Eisboch

Chrysler
 

On Thu, 16 Apr 2009 03:06:40 -0400, "Eisboch"
wrote:


"jps" wrote in message
.. .


Why should the suits on Wall Street get bailed out and the auto
industry allowed to wither? They were both irresponsible and short
sighted and we depend on both industries to create our consumer
economy.


It doesn't seem fair, but it's necessary. A total collapse of Wall Street
and the banking/financial sector would present a much bigger problem than
the collapse or bankruptcy of GM.

Yes, both industries were irresponsible and short sighted, but we need to
focus on the dog, not the tail. It would be nice if we could afford to fix
everything, but we can't.

To an idealistic thinking person like you it doesn't seem right, but the
reality is that the financial community needs to be stabilized to prevent a
massive, deep depression. Hurtful as it may be, we can survive without a
GM or Chrysler in their current configurations.

Eisboch

Understood but the number of lost jobs, health care, pensions, etc.
will trickle to tens of thosands of others and affect the economy in
it's own way.

It's not just a matter of fair, it's a matter of supporting the
economic engine that drives our country. The auto industry supports a
whole lot of folks.

Chrysler
 

On Thu, 16 Apr 2009 00:59:45 -0700, jps wrote:

On Thu, 16 Apr 2009 03:06:40 -0400, "Eisboch"
wrote:


"jps" wrote in message
. ..


Why should the suits on Wall Street get bailed out and the auto
industry allowed to wither? They were both irresponsible and short
sighted and we depend on both industries to create our consumer
economy.


It doesn't seem fair, but it's necessary. A total collapse of Wall Street
and the banking/financial sector would present a much bigger problem than
the collapse or bankruptcy of GM.

Yes, both industries were irresponsible and short sighted, but we need to
focus on the dog, not the tail. It would be nice if we could afford to fix
everything, but we can't.

To an idealistic thinking person like you it doesn't seem right, but the
reality is that the financial community needs to be stabilized to prevent a
massive, deep depression. Hurtful as it may be, we can survive without a
GM or Chrysler in their current configurations.

Eisboch

Understood but the number of lost jobs, health care, pensions, etc.
will trickle to tens of thosands of others and affect the economy in
it's own way.

It's not just a matter of fair, it's a matter of supporting the
economic engine that drives our country. The auto industry supports a
whole lot of folks.

Sorry, one too many it's. Change one of them to its and all will be
fine.

Chrysler
 

On Apr 15, 9:03*pm, "Canuck57" wrote:
wrote in message

...
On Apr 15, 8:11 am, "Eisboch" wrote:

You know they are in trouble when Fiat is getting cold feet about a
merger.

Another one about to bite the dust.

Eisboch

They've threatened to pull out of Canada if they don't " get what they
want".Fiat has most likely looked at the Management (as ****ty as it
is ) and are nervous. The CAW has said if that happens, they'll never
sell another car in Canada.
Besides, the Canadian employees do more work, with less injury....
--------
But grossly too expensive. *Shut them down.

Jealous?

Chrysler
 

"Canuck57" wrote in message
...

"Eisboch" wrote in message
...

You know they are in trouble when Fiat is getting cold feet about a
merger.

Another one about to bite the dust.

Eisboch

Chrysler is as good as gone. CAW/UAW are taking a stand with not enough
meaningful concessions and wasting time. Fiat would be better off to
import and start intrinsic growth and forget Chrysler. And then there are
suppliers... Cerberus no doubt wants some cash too.... Chrysler is a deer
looking at a train and on the tracks... 14 days left.


Fiat wants to re-introduce their cars in the US which is really the only
reason for getting a piece of Chrysler. Gives them an instant dealership
base.

Eisboch

Chrysler
 

"Canuck57" wrote in message
...

"Eisboch" wrote in message
...

wrote in message
...
On Apr 15, 8:11 am, "Eisboch" wrote:
You know they are in trouble when Fiat is getting cold feet about a
merger.

Another one about to bite the dust.

Eisboch

They've threatened to pull out of Canada if they don't " get what they
want".Fiat has most likely looked at the Management (as ****ty as it
is ) and are nervous. The CAW has said if that happens, they'll never
sell another car in Canada.
Besides, the Canadian employees do more work, with less injury....


---------------------------

You spinmiesters crack me up. Go read the announcement by Fiat.
It specifically states that they want the UAW and CAW to get in line with
the pay and benefit packages typical of Toyota and Honda. It also
states that the strongest opposition to the Fiat requirements are coming
from the CAW. So far, the CAW won't budge. Pretty soon they will be out
of a job.

Eisboch

Chrysler doesn't pay it's tax bills either. They owe Canada $500,000 from
2002 or something like that. Real welchers. Shut them down, we don't
need that kind of leach business model in Canada. Plus, from what friends
tell me they still don't know how to make a automatic transmission. Ya, I
bought 2 in the past and learned the hard way.

May tag says what I think of GM & Chrysler.

_
/'_/)
,/_ /
/ /
/'_'/' '/'__'7,
/'/ / / /" /_\
('( ' /' ')
\ /
'\' _.7'
\ (
\ \
GM, GMAC, Carlyle, Chrysler-Cerberus, CAW-UAW, get your
selfish greedy hands out of our pockets!
We don't steal from you!
Why do you steal from us?


Just had a yearly safety inspection done on the 2007 Dodge Charger by the
dealer where we bought it.
They claimed the outer tie rod ends were wore out and had to be replaced
before passing the inspection.
This is at 66,000 kilometers...about 40 k miles.

Chrysler
 

On Apr 16, 3:51*pm, "Don White" wrote:
"Canuck57" wrote in message

...





"Eisboch" wrote in message
m...

wrote in message
....
On Apr 15, 8:11 am, "Eisboch" wrote:
You know they are in trouble when Fiat is getting cold feet about a
merger.

Another one about to bite the dust.

Eisboch

They've threatened to pull out of Canada if they don't " get what they
want".Fiat has most likely looked at the Management (as ****ty as it
is ) and are nervous. The CAW has said if that happens, they'll never
sell another car in Canada.
Besides, the Canadian employees do more work, with less injury....

---------------------------

You spinmiesters crack me up. * *Go read the announcement by Fiat.
It specifically states that they want the UAW and CAW to get in line with
the pay and benefit packages typical of Toyota and Honda. * It also
states that the strongest opposition to the *Fiat requirements are coming
from the CAW. *So far, the CAW won't budge. *Pretty soon they will be out
of a job.

Eisboch

Chrysler doesn't pay it's tax bills either. *They owe Canada $500,000 from
2002 or something like that. *Real welchers. *Shut them down, we don't
need that kind of leach business model in Canada. *Plus, from what friends
tell me they still don't know how to make a automatic transmission. *Ya, I
bought 2 in the past and learned the hard way.

May tag says what I think of GM & Chrysler.

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* * * * * * * * * * * * * /'_/)
* * * * * * * * * * * * ,/_ */
* * * * * * * * * * * */ * */
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* * * * * * * /'/ * */ * */ * */" /_\
* * * * * * *('( * *' /' * ')
* * * * * * * \ * * */
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* * * * * * * * *\ * * * * * * (
* * * * * * * * * *\ * * * * * *\
GM, GMAC, Carlyle, Chrysler-Cerberus, CAW-UAW, get your
*selfish greedy hands out of our pockets!
* * * * We don't steal from you!
* * * Why do you steal from us?

Just had a yearly safety inspection done on the 2007 Dodge Charger by the
dealer where we bought it.
They claimed the outer tie rod ends were wore out and had to be replaced
before passing the inspection.
This is at 66,000 kilometers...about 40 k miles.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

I thought that was your son's car now? Oh, that's right, you still
have to do everything for him. Fetch his beer, give him a free place
to lay around, give him a car...... Was he too drunk to go get it
inspected himself, or was it that he just didn't feel like it?

Chrysler
 

On Thu, 16 Apr 2009 16:51:26 -0300, "Don White"
wrote:


"Canuck57" wrote in message
...

"Eisboch" wrote in message
...

wrote in message
...
On Apr 15, 8:11 am, "Eisboch" wrote:
You know they are in trouble when Fiat is getting cold feet about a
merger.

Another one about to bite the dust.

Eisboch

They've threatened to pull out of Canada if they don't " get what they
want".Fiat has most likely looked at the Management (as ****ty as it
is ) and are nervous. The CAW has said if that happens, they'll never
sell another car in Canada.
Besides, the Canadian employees do more work, with less injury....


---------------------------

You spinmiesters crack me up. Go read the announcement by Fiat.
It specifically states that they want the UAW and CAW to get in line with
the pay and benefit packages typical of Toyota and Honda. It also
states that the strongest opposition to the Fiat requirements are coming
from the CAW. So far, the CAW won't budge. Pretty soon they will be out
of a job.

Eisboch

Chrysler doesn't pay it's tax bills either. They owe Canada $500,000 from
2002 or something like that. Real welchers. Shut them down, we don't
need that kind of leach business model in Canada. Plus, from what friends
tell me they still don't know how to make a automatic transmission. Ya, I
bought 2 in the past and learned the hard way.

May tag says what I think of GM & Chrysler.

_
/'_/)
,/_ /
/ /
/'_'/' '/'__'7,
/'/ / / /" /_\
('( ' /' ')
\ /
'\' _.7'
\ (
\ \
GM, GMAC, Carlyle, Chrysler-Cerberus, CAW-UAW, get your
selfish greedy hands out of our pockets!
We don't steal from you!
Why do you steal from us?


Just had a yearly safety inspection done on the 2007 Dodge Charger by the
dealer where we bought it.
They claimed the outer tie rod ends were wore out and had to be replaced
before passing the inspection.
This is at 66,000 kilometers...about 40 k miles.

Sounds like a local dealer hitting up the factory for unneccesary
repairs in lean times.

Chrysler
 

"Don White" wrote in message
...


Just had a yearly safety inspection done on the 2007 Dodge Charger by the
dealer where we bought it.
They claimed the outer tie rod ends were wore out and had to be replaced
before passing the inspection.
This is at 66,000 kilometers...about 40 k miles.


I may be mistaken, but I think your '07 Charger has front end components
that are shared with some Mercedes models. Sounds a little fishy to me.
Must have been a rough 40k miles.

Eisboch

Chrysler
 

Eisboch wrote:

"Canuck57" wrote in message
...

"Eisboch" wrote in message
...

You know they are in trouble when Fiat is getting cold feet about a
merger.

Another one about to bite the dust.

Eisboch

Chrysler is as good as gone. CAW/UAW are taking a stand with not
enough meaningful concessions and wasting time. Fiat would be better
off to import and start intrinsic growth and forget Chrysler. And
then there are suppliers... Cerberus no doubt wants some cash too....
Chrysler is a deer looking at a train and on the tracks... 14 days left.


Fiat wants to re-introduce their cars in the US which is really the only
reason for getting a piece of Chrysler. Gives them an instant
dealership base.

In three weeks all of the Chrysler dealerships will be used car lots.

Chrysler
 

BAR wrote:
Eisboch wrote:

"Canuck57" wrote in message
...

"Eisboch" wrote in message
...

You know they are in trouble when Fiat is getting cold feet about a
merger.

Another one about to bite the dust.

Eisboch

Chrysler is as good as gone. CAW/UAW are taking a stand with not
enough meaningful concessions and wasting time. Fiat would be better
off to import and start intrinsic growth and forget Chrysler. And
then there are suppliers... Cerberus no doubt wants some cash
too.... Chrysler is a deer looking at a train and on the tracks...
14 days left.


Fiat wants to re-introduce their cars in the US which is really the
only reason for getting a piece of Chrysler. Gives them an instant
dealership base.

In three weeks all of the Chrysler dealerships will be used car lots.


One can hope for some nice juicy layoffs at your place of work that
include you. The experience will do you good, as will a spate of
long-term unemployment. You might emerge as a human being.

Chrysler
 

On Thu, 16 Apr 2009 16:56:11 -0400, HK wrote:

BAR wrote:
Eisboch wrote:

"Canuck57" wrote in message
...

"Eisboch" wrote in message
...

You know they are in trouble when Fiat is getting cold feet about a
merger.

Another one about to bite the dust.

Eisboch

Chrysler is as good as gone. CAW/UAW are taking a stand with not
enough meaningful concessions and wasting time. Fiat would be better
off to import and start intrinsic growth and forget Chrysler. And
then there are suppliers... Cerberus no doubt wants some cash
too.... Chrysler is a deer looking at a train and on the tracks...
14 days left.


Fiat wants to re-introduce their cars in the US which is really the
only reason for getting a piece of Chrysler. Gives them an instant
dealership base.

In three weeks all of the Chrysler dealerships will be used car lots.


One can hope for some nice juicy layoffs at your place of work that
include you. The experience will do you good, as will a spate of
long-term unemployment. You might emerge as a human being.

Uh oh. Is bar in the auto industry?

Chrysler
 

jps wrote:
On Thu, 16 Apr 2009 16:56:11 -0400, HK wrote:

BAR wrote:
Eisboch wrote:
"Canuck57" wrote in message
...
"Eisboch" wrote in message
...
You know they are in trouble when Fiat is getting cold feet about a
merger.

Another one about to bite the dust.

Eisboch
Chrysler is as good as gone. CAW/UAW are taking a stand with not
enough meaningful concessions and wasting time. Fiat would be better
off to import and start intrinsic growth and forget Chrysler. And
then there are suppliers... Cerberus no doubt wants some cash
too.... Chrysler is a deer looking at a train and on the tracks...
14 days left.

Fiat wants to re-introduce their cars in the US which is really the
only reason for getting a piece of Chrysler. Gives them an instant
dealership base.
In three weeks all of the Chrysler dealerships will be used car lots.

One can hope for some nice juicy layoffs at your place of work that
include you. The experience will do you good, as will a spate of
long-term unemployment. You might emerge as a human being.

Uh oh. Is bar in the auto industry?


No. Or at least I don't think so.

Chrysler
 

Eisboch wrote:

"Don White" wrote in message
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Just had a yearly safety inspection done on the 2007 Dodge Charger by
the dealer where we bought it.
They claimed the outer tie rod ends were wore out and had to be
replaced before passing the inspection.
This is at 66,000 kilometers...about 40 k miles.


I may be mistaken, but I think your '07 Charger has front end components
that are shared with some Mercedes models. Sounds a little fishy to
me. Must have been a rough 40k miles.

Eisboch

The drunk kid must have hit every curb in the province.

Chrysler
 

"Don White" wrote in message
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"Canuck57" wrote in message
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"Eisboch" wrote in message
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wrote in message
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On Apr 15, 8:11 am, "Eisboch" wrote:
You know they are in trouble when Fiat is getting cold feet about a
merger.

Another one about to bite the dust.

Eisboch

They've threatened to pull out of Canada if they don't " get what they
want".Fiat has most likely looked at the Management (as ****ty as it
is ) and are nervous. The CAW has said if that happens, they'll never
sell another car in Canada.
Besides, the Canadian employees do more work, with less injury....


---------------------------

You spinmiesters crack me up. Go read the announcement by Fiat.
It specifically states that they want the UAW and CAW to get in line
with the pay and benefit packages typical of Toyota and Honda. It also
states that the strongest opposition to the Fiat requirements are
coming from the CAW. So far, the CAW won't budge. Pretty soon they
will be out of a job.

Eisboch

Chrysler doesn't pay it's tax bills either. They owe Canada $500,000
from 2002 or something like that. Real welchers. Shut them down, we
don't need that kind of leach business model in Canada. Plus, from what
friends tell me they still don't know how to make a automatic
transmission. Ya, I bought 2 in the past and learned the hard way.

May tag says what I think of GM & Chrysler.

_
/'_/)
,/_ /
/ /
/'_'/' '/'__'7,
/'/ / / /" /_\
('( ' /' ')
\ /
'\' _.7'
\ (
\ \
GM, GMAC, Carlyle, Chrysler-Cerberus, CAW-UAW, get your
selfish greedy hands out of our pockets!
We don't steal from you!
Why do you steal from us?


Just had a yearly safety inspection done on the 2007 Dodge Charger by the
dealer where we bought it.
They claimed the outer tie rod ends were wore out and had to be replaced
before passing the inspection.
This is at 66,000 kilometers...about 40 k miles.

Sounds like the last Chrysler hasn't learned much since I bought a 1989
Caravan. Last Chrysler/Dodge crap I owned.

Chrysler
 

"jps" wrote in message
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On Thu, 16 Apr 2009 16:51:26 -0300, "Don White"
wrote:


"Canuck57" wrote in message
...

"Eisboch" wrote in message
...

wrote in message
...
On Apr 15, 8:11 am, "Eisboch" wrote:
You know they are in trouble when Fiat is getting cold feet about a
merger.

Another one about to bite the dust.

Eisboch

They've threatened to pull out of Canada if they don't " get what they
want".Fiat has most likely looked at the Management (as ****ty as it
is ) and are nervous. The CAW has said if that happens, they'll never
sell another car in Canada.
Besides, the Canadian employees do more work, with less injury....


---------------------------

You spinmiesters crack me up. Go read the announcement by Fiat.
It specifically states that they want the UAW and CAW to get in line
with
the pay and benefit packages typical of Toyota and Honda. It also
states that the strongest opposition to the Fiat requirements are
coming
from the CAW. So far, the CAW won't budge. Pretty soon they will be
out
of a job.

Eisboch

Chrysler doesn't pay it's tax bills either. They owe Canada $500,000
from
2002 or something like that. Real welchers. Shut them down, we don't
need that kind of leach business model in Canada. Plus, from what
friends
tell me they still don't know how to make a automatic transmission. Ya,
I
bought 2 in the past and learned the hard way.

May tag says what I think of GM & Chrysler.

_
/'_/)
,/_ /
/ /
/'_'/' '/'__'7,
/'/ / / /" /_\
('( ' /' ')
\ /
'\' _.7'
\ (
\ \
GM, GMAC, Carlyle, Chrysler-Cerberus, CAW-UAW, get your
selfish greedy hands out of our pockets!
We don't steal from you!
Why do you steal from us?


Just had a yearly safety inspection done on the 2007 Dodge Charger by the
dealer where we bought it.
They claimed the outer tie rod ends were wore out and had to be replaced
before passing the inspection.
This is at 66,000 kilometers...about 40 k miles.

Sounds like a local dealer hitting up the factory for unneccesary
repairs in lean times.

Could be. A local Chrysler dealer I pass by had lots of vehciles last year,
but lately, not much new on the lot. Maybe they don't want to be stuck with
inventory in Canada for the $500M past due tax bill?

Chrysler
 

wrote in message
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On Apr 15, 9:03 pm, "Canuck57" wrote:
wrote in message

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On Apr 15, 8:11 am, "Eisboch" wrote:

You know they are in trouble when Fiat is getting cold feet about a
merger.

Another one about to bite the dust.

Eisboch

They've threatened to pull out of Canada if they don't " get what they
want".Fiat has most likely looked at the Management (as ****ty as it
is ) and are nervous. The CAW has said if that happens, they'll never
sell another car in Canada.
Besides, the Canadian employees do more work, with less injury....
--------
But grossly too expensive. Shut them down.

Jealous?
--------
I make more than a auto person. But then again I invested in myself with
education and hard work.

So I guess not. But do want the peckers out of the taxpayers pocket book.
That is a slimly low thing to do, steal from everyone because you screwed
up.

Chrysler
 

"Eisboch" wrote in message
...

"Canuck57" wrote in message
...

"Eisboch" wrote in message
...

You know they are in trouble when Fiat is getting cold feet about a
merger.

Another one about to bite the dust.

Eisboch

Chrysler is as good as gone. CAW/UAW are taking a stand with not enough
meaningful concessions and wasting time. Fiat would be better off to
import and start intrinsic growth and forget Chrysler. And then there
are suppliers... Cerberus no doubt wants some cash too.... Chrysler is a
deer looking at a train and on the tracks... 14 days left.


Fiat wants to re-introduce their cars in the US which is really the only
reason for getting a piece of Chrysler. Gives them an instant dealership
base.

Eisboch

But opening new without the bagage, severance etc... would be better for
brand image at this point.

Chrysler
 

On Thu, 16 Apr 2009 18:01:13 -0600, "Canuck57"
wrote:


"Don White" wrote in message
.. .

"Canuck57" wrote in message
...

"Eisboch" wrote in message
...

wrote in message
...
On Apr 15, 8:11 am, "Eisboch" wrote:
You know they are in trouble when Fiat is getting cold feet about a
merger.

Another one about to bite the dust.

Eisboch

They've threatened to pull out of Canada if they don't " get what they
want".Fiat has most likely looked at the Management (as ****ty as it
is ) and are nervous. The CAW has said if that happens, they'll never
sell another car in Canada.
Besides, the Canadian employees do more work, with less injury....


---------------------------

You spinmiesters crack me up. Go read the announcement by Fiat.
It specifically states that they want the UAW and CAW to get in line
with the pay and benefit packages typical of Toyota and Honda. It also
states that the strongest opposition to the Fiat requirements are
coming from the CAW. So far, the CAW won't budge. Pretty soon they
will be out of a job.

Eisboch

Chrysler doesn't pay it's tax bills either. They owe Canada $500,000
from 2002 or something like that. Real welchers. Shut them down, we
don't need that kind of leach business model in Canada. Plus, from what
friends tell me they still don't know how to make a automatic
transmission. Ya, I bought 2 in the past and learned the hard way.

May tag says what I think of GM & Chrysler.

_
/'_/)
,/_ /
/ /
/'_'/' '/'__'7,
/'/ / / /" /_\
('( ' /' ')
\ /
'\' _.7'
\ (
\ \
GM, GMAC, Carlyle, Chrysler-Cerberus, CAW-UAW, get your
selfish greedy hands out of our pockets!
We don't steal from you!
Why do you steal from us?


Just had a yearly safety inspection done on the 2007 Dodge Charger by the
dealer where we bought it.
They claimed the outer tie rod ends were wore out and had to be replaced
before passing the inspection.
This is at 66,000 kilometers...about 40 k miles.

Sounds like the last Chrysler hasn't learned much since I bought a 1989
Caravan. Last Chrysler/Dodge crap I owned.

Bought a new Grand Cherokee with the 6 cyl in 1995 that I sold to a
family member last year, still running strong. Awesome in winter
where snow lasts for months. Dropped a transmission at around 50K
miles but it was still under warranty.

Not saying I'd buy another but it wasn't a horrible experience.

Chrysler
 

"jps" wrote in message
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Bought a new Grand Cherokee with the 6 cyl in 1995 that I sold to a
family member last year, still running strong. Awesome in winter
where snow lasts for months. Dropped a transmission at around 50K
miles but it was still under warranty.

Not saying I'd buy another but it wasn't a horrible experience.



I am not sure that Jeep really qualifies as a MoPar designed product. The
Jeep line was purchased by MoPar from American Motors (remember the
"Rambler"?)

But, during the 50's and 60's, MoPar built some tanks of cars. They
weren't exactly refined when compared to GM and even some Ford products but
they were tough as hell. The legendary A727 transmission introduced in the
early 60's is still considered to be one of the best automatic transmissions
ever designed and built. They were (are) virtually bullet proof and are
just as happy in a high performance muscle car as they are in a mild
mannered family sedan. The '69 "General Lee" Dodge Charger I had for a
while had a 727 transmission mated to a high output 440 ci engine. Both
the engine and transmission were slightly modified. The engine had high
compression pistons, a mild cam and was electronically tweaked for high
horsepower. The only modification made to the transmission was the
addition of a shift kit. I never really pushed the car to it's potential,
but it had brute power, as long as you were going in a straight line.

It's a bit ironic that the more modern MoPar transmissions used in the
Caravan and in the early Ram trucks didn't share the same robust design and
reputation.

Eisboch

Chrysler
 

"Eisboch" wrote in message
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"Don White" wrote in message
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Just had a yearly safety inspection done on the 2007 Dodge Charger by the
dealer where we bought it.
They claimed the outer tie rod ends were wore out and had to be replaced
before passing the inspection.
This is at 66,000 kilometers...about 40 k miles.


I may be mistaken, but I think your '07 Charger has front end components
that are shared with some Mercedes models. Sounds a little fishy to me.
Must have been a rough 40k miles.

Eisboch

Car had 56000 kilometers on it at 1.5 years of service. It was an
Enterprise long term rental to a Pratt & Whitney employee who travelled back
& forth between Halifax & Montreal. Car listed at $28k new here, but my
son (me) paid $15.3K.
I wanted him to get a new Honda Civic or a Toyota Corolla.....but who
listens to the old man.

Chrysler
 

"Don White" wrote in message
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"Eisboch" wrote in message
...

"Don White" wrote in message
...


Just had a yearly safety inspection done on the 2007 Dodge Charger by
the dealer where we bought it.
They claimed the outer tie rod ends were wore out and had to be replaced
before passing the inspection.
This is at 66,000 kilometers...about 40 k miles.


I may be mistaken, but I think your '07 Charger has front end components
that are shared with some Mercedes models. Sounds a little fishy to me.
Must have been a rough 40k miles.

Eisboch

Car had 56000 kilometers on it at 1.5 years of service. It was an
Enterprise long term rental to a Pratt & Whitney employee who travelled
back & forth between Halifax & Montreal. Car listed at $28k new here,
but my son (me) paid $15.3K.
I wanted him to get a new Honda Civic or a Toyota Corolla.....but who
listens to the old man.


Who knows. Like someone said, it could be the dealership trying to get
some work or it could indeed be prematurely failed tie rods.

My '65 VW bus is in the shop right now for the same thing. :-)

Eisboch