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COLUMBIA, SC (WIS) - It is a story bound to re-ignite debate about
concealed weapons permits in the Palmetto State. On Saturday night,
police say a man was shot and killed when he tried to rob people at
an
Alcoholics Anonymous meeting.

For the second time in two months, law enforcement says the response
is appropriate.

"We've got a violent society. Times have changed. It's not the 60s
and
the 70s, when you didn't have people with guns. You have bad guys now
and they all have guns. They're committing more serious crimes
against
people. So I think the fact that we've got law enforcement being
assisted by citizens who are properly trained and armed, are helping
us out," said Richland County Sheriff Leon Lott.

Saturday's fatal shooting of an 18-year-old armed robbery suspect in
Five Points follows last month's retaliation by an Irmo pizza
deliveryman.

In that incident, investigators say the victim had been physically
assaulted before he pulled out a gun and killed his attacker.

In both cases, the men who fired back had valid concealed weapons
permits.

State Law Enforcement Division figures show steady increases in the
number of South Carolinians applying for and receiving those permits.

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That's a law enforcement expert saying that guns in the hands of law-
abiding citizens is a good thing. But, he's not a hand-wringing
pantywaist.


Why don't you just go back to your frontier days. Everyone can pack a
couple of six shooters in western style holsters.
You could even use gunfights like the old quick draw method to settle
disputes.
My question to you...would the palm sisters prefer the six guns over
your
shortcomings?


Actually the wild west was more dangerous from accidents. The most
dangerous place in the "Wild West" days was NYC.

Geez, I wonder why NYC would be the most dangerous place? They didn't
have black or hispanic gangs. Must have been the immigrants.

Could it be that more people congregated in NYC?

Tammany Society controlled NYC. And you do realize that they were a
society
of the worst gangs.

Oh yeah. But they couldn't kill with the efficiency of a AK. Look at
what happened at Virginia Tech. 34 people in a matter of minutes.
That's a declaration of war by one person.

The thugs of Tammany Hall beat the livin' snot out of a lot of folks
and I'm sure plenty disappeared but it wasn't the sort of random
mayhem an assault rifle can cause.

There were places in NYC the cops would not go. And they also had cap and
ball revolvers. Not high capacity fully auto arms. The Romans in taking
Scotland killed 10,000 and lost 360 of their troops in one battle. That was
about 80 AD. Not a lot of guns available. People kill people. Samson used
a jawbone of an Ass to kill 1000 Philistines according to the Old Testament.
So that makes it BC.

On Tue, 14 Apr 2009 09:22:49 -0700, "Calif Bill"
wrote:


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On Mon, 13 Apr 2009 21:52:34 -0700, "Calif Bill"
wrote:


"jps" wrote in message
news On Mon, 13 Apr 2009 17:06:34 -0700, "Calif Bill"
wrote:


"Don White" wrote in message
...

wrote in message
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COLUMBIA, SC (WIS) - It is a story bound to re-ignite debate about
concealed weapons permits in the Palmetto State. On Saturday night,
police say a man was shot and killed when he tried to rob people at
an
Alcoholics Anonymous meeting.

For the second time in two months, law enforcement says the response
is appropriate.

"We've got a violent society. Times have changed. It's not the 60s
and
the 70s, when you didn't have people with guns. You have bad guys now
and they all have guns. They're committing more serious crimes
against
people. So I think the fact that we've got law enforcement being
assisted by citizens who are properly trained and armed, are helping
us out," said Richland County Sheriff Leon Lott.

Saturday's fatal shooting of an 18-year-old armed robbery suspect in
Five Points follows last month's retaliation by an Irmo pizza
deliveryman.

In that incident, investigators say the victim had been physically
assaulted before he pulled out a gun and killed his attacker.

In both cases, the men who fired back had valid concealed weapons
permits.

State Law Enforcement Division figures show steady increases in the
number of South Carolinians applying for and receiving those permits.

---------------------------------------------------------------------------------

That's a law enforcement expert saying that guns in the hands of law-
abiding citizens is a good thing. But, he's not a hand-wringing
pantywaist.


Why don't you just go back to your frontier days. Everyone can pack a
couple of six shooters in western style holsters.
You could even use gunfights like the old quick draw method to settle
disputes.
My question to you...would the palm sisters prefer the six guns over
your
shortcomings?


Actually the wild west was more dangerous from accidents. The most
dangerous place in the "Wild West" days was NYC.

Geez, I wonder why NYC would be the most dangerous place? They didn't
have black or hispanic gangs. Must have been the immigrants.

Could it be that more people congregated in NYC?

Tammany Society controlled NYC. And you do realize that they were a
society
of the worst gangs.

Oh yeah. But they couldn't kill with the efficiency of a AK. Look at
what happened at Virginia Tech. 34 people in a matter of minutes.
That's a declaration of war by one person.

The thugs of Tammany Hall beat the livin' snot out of a lot of folks
and I'm sure plenty disappeared but it wasn't the sort of random
mayhem an assault rifle can cause.

There were places in NYC the cops would not go. And they also had cap and
ball revolvers. Not high capacity fully auto arms. The Romans in taking
Scotland killed 10,000 and lost 360 of their troops in one battle. That was
about 80 AD. Not a lot of guns available. People kill people. Samson used
a jawbone of an Ass to kill 1000 Philistines according to the Old Testament.
So that makes it BC.

You're quoting war. What's the ratio between American dead and Iraqi
combatants?

We're not talking war, unless you're talking about the one
manufactured by gun manufacturers and the NRA.

"jps" wrote in message
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On Tue, 14 Apr 2009 09:22:49 -0700, "Calif Bill"
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On Mon, 13 Apr 2009 21:52:34 -0700, "Calif Bill"
wrote:


"jps" wrote in message
news On Mon, 13 Apr 2009 17:06:34 -0700, "Calif Bill"
wrote:


"Don White" wrote in message
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COLUMBIA, SC (WIS) - It is a story bound to re-ignite debate about
concealed weapons permits in the Palmetto State. On Saturday night,
police say a man was shot and killed when he tried to rob people at
an
Alcoholics Anonymous meeting.

For the second time in two months, law enforcement says the
response
is appropriate.

"We've got a violent society. Times have changed. It's not the 60s
and
the 70s, when you didn't have people with guns. You have bad guys
now
and they all have guns. They're committing more serious crimes
against
people. So I think the fact that we've got law enforcement being
assisted by citizens who are properly trained and armed, are
helping
us out," said Richland County Sheriff Leon Lott.

Saturday's fatal shooting of an 18-year-old armed robbery suspect
in
Five Points follows last month's retaliation by an Irmo pizza
deliveryman.

In that incident, investigators say the victim had been physically
assaulted before he pulled out a gun and killed his attacker.

In both cases, the men who fired back had valid concealed weapons
permits.

State Law Enforcement Division figures show steady increases in the
number of South Carolinians applying for and receiving those
permits.

---------------------------------------------------------------------------------

That's a law enforcement expert saying that guns in the hands of
law-
abiding citizens is a good thing. But, he's not a hand-wringing
pantywaist.


Why don't you just go back to your frontier days. Everyone can pack
a
couple of six shooters in western style holsters.
You could even use gunfights like the old quick draw method to
settle
disputes.
My question to you...would the palm sisters prefer the six guns over
your
shortcomings?


Actually the wild west was more dangerous from accidents. The most
dangerous place in the "Wild West" days was NYC.

Geez, I wonder why NYC would be the most dangerous place? They didn't
have black or hispanic gangs. Must have been the immigrants.

Could it be that more people congregated in NYC?

Tammany Society controlled NYC. And you do realize that they were a
society
of the worst gangs.

Oh yeah. But they couldn't kill with the efficiency of a AK. Look at
what happened at Virginia Tech. 34 people in a matter of minutes.
That's a declaration of war by one person.

The thugs of Tammany Hall beat the livin' snot out of a lot of folks
and I'm sure plenty disappeared but it wasn't the sort of random
mayhem an assault rifle can cause.

There were places in NYC the cops would not go. And they also had cap and
ball revolvers. Not high capacity fully auto arms. The Romans in taking
Scotland killed 10,000 and lost 360 of their troops in one battle. That
was
about 80 AD. Not a lot of guns available. People kill people. Samson
used
a jawbone of an Ass to kill 1000 Philistines according to the Old
Testament.
So that makes it BC.

You're quoting war. What's the ratio between American dead and Iraqi
combatants?

We're not talking war, unless you're talking about the one
manufactured by gun manufacturers and the NRA.

Nope, we were talking about guns facilitating killing. Seems as if killing
goes wholesale without guns.

On Tue, 14 Apr 2009 12:20:04 -0700, "Calif Bill"
wrote:


"jps" wrote in message
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On Tue, 14 Apr 2009 09:22:49 -0700, "Calif Bill"
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"jps" wrote in message
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On Mon, 13 Apr 2009 21:52:34 -0700, "Calif Bill"
wrote:


"jps" wrote in message
news On Mon, 13 Apr 2009 17:06:34 -0700, "Calif Bill"
wrote:


"Don White" wrote in message
et...

wrote in message
...
COLUMBIA, SC (WIS) - It is a story bound to re-ignite debate about
concealed weapons permits in the Palmetto State. On Saturday night,
police say a man was shot and killed when he tried to rob people at
an
Alcoholics Anonymous meeting.

For the second time in two months, law enforcement says the
response
is appropriate.

"We've got a violent society. Times have changed. It's not the 60s
and
the 70s, when you didn't have people with guns. You have bad guys
now
and they all have guns. They're committing more serious crimes
against
people. So I think the fact that we've got law enforcement being
assisted by citizens who are properly trained and armed, are
helping
us out," said Richland County Sheriff Leon Lott.

Saturday's fatal shooting of an 18-year-old armed robbery suspect
in
Five Points follows last month's retaliation by an Irmo pizza
deliveryman.

In that incident, investigators say the victim had been physically
assaulted before he pulled out a gun and killed his attacker.

In both cases, the men who fired back had valid concealed weapons
permits.

State Law Enforcement Division figures show steady increases in the
number of South Carolinians applying for and receiving those
permits.

---------------------------------------------------------------------------------

That's a law enforcement expert saying that guns in the hands of
law-
abiding citizens is a good thing. But, he's not a hand-wringing
pantywaist.


Why don't you just go back to your frontier days. Everyone can pack
a
couple of six shooters in western style holsters.
You could even use gunfights like the old quick draw method to
settle
disputes.
My question to you...would the palm sisters prefer the six guns over
your
shortcomings?


Actually the wild west was more dangerous from accidents. The most
dangerous place in the "Wild West" days was NYC.

Geez, I wonder why NYC would be the most dangerous place? They didn't
have black or hispanic gangs. Must have been the immigrants.

Could it be that more people congregated in NYC?

Tammany Society controlled NYC. And you do realize that they were a
society
of the worst gangs.

Oh yeah. But they couldn't kill with the efficiency of a AK. Look at
what happened at Virginia Tech. 34 people in a matter of minutes.
That's a declaration of war by one person.

The thugs of Tammany Hall beat the livin' snot out of a lot of folks
and I'm sure plenty disappeared but it wasn't the sort of random
mayhem an assault rifle can cause.

There were places in NYC the cops would not go. And they also had cap and
ball revolvers. Not high capacity fully auto arms. The Romans in taking
Scotland killed 10,000 and lost 360 of their troops in one battle. That
was
about 80 AD. Not a lot of guns available. People kill people. Samson
used
a jawbone of an Ass to kill 1000 Philistines according to the Old
Testament.
So that makes it BC.

You're quoting war. What's the ratio between American dead and Iraqi
combatants?

We're not talking war, unless you're talking about the one
manufactured by gun manufacturers and the NRA.

Nope, we were talking about guns facilitating killing. Seems as if killing
goes wholesale without guns.

Okay, then let's talk about the difference between a declared war and
a lunatic going postal on his fellow citizens or family.

I don't consider them the same. The closest we've gotten in domestic
terrorism is McVeigh's fertilizer bomb.

"jps" wrote in message
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On Tue, 14 Apr 2009 09:22:49 -0700, "Calif Bill"
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On Mon, 13 Apr 2009 21:52:34 -0700, "Calif Bill"
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On Mon, 13 Apr 2009 17:06:34 -0700, "Calif Bill"
wrote:


"Don White" wrote in message
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wrote in message
...
COLUMBIA, SC (WIS) - It is a story bound to re-ignite debate
about
concealed weapons permits in the Palmetto State. On Saturday
night,
police say a man was shot and killed when he tried to rob people
at
an
Alcoholics Anonymous meeting.

For the second time in two months, law enforcement says the
response
is appropriate.

"We've got a violent society. Times have changed. It's not the
60s
and
the 70s, when you didn't have people with guns. You have bad guys
now
and they all have guns. They're committing more serious crimes
against
people. So I think the fact that we've got law enforcement being
assisted by citizens who are properly trained and armed, are
helping
us out," said Richland County Sheriff Leon Lott.

Saturday's fatal shooting of an 18-year-old armed robbery suspect
in
Five Points follows last month's retaliation by an Irmo pizza
deliveryman.

In that incident, investigators say the victim had been
physically
assaulted before he pulled out a gun and killed his attacker.

In both cases, the men who fired back had valid concealed weapons
permits.

State Law Enforcement Division figures show steady increases in
the
number of South Carolinians applying for and receiving those
permits.

---------------------------------------------------------------------------------

That's a law enforcement expert saying that guns in the hands of
law-
abiding citizens is a good thing. But, he's not a hand-wringing
pantywaist.


Why don't you just go back to your frontier days. Everyone can
pack
a
couple of six shooters in western style holsters.
You could even use gunfights like the old quick draw method to
settle
disputes.
My question to you...would the palm sisters prefer the six guns
over
your
shortcomings?


Actually the wild west was more dangerous from accidents. The most
dangerous place in the "Wild West" days was NYC.

Geez, I wonder why NYC would be the most dangerous place? They
didn't
have black or hispanic gangs. Must have been the immigrants.

Could it be that more people congregated in NYC?

Tammany Society controlled NYC. And you do realize that they were a
society
of the worst gangs.

Oh yeah. But they couldn't kill with the efficiency of a AK. Look at
what happened at Virginia Tech. 34 people in a matter of minutes.
That's a declaration of war by one person.

The thugs of Tammany Hall beat the livin' snot out of a lot of folks
and I'm sure plenty disappeared but it wasn't the sort of random
mayhem an assault rifle can cause.

There were places in NYC the cops would not go. And they also had cap
and
ball revolvers. Not high capacity fully auto arms. The Romans in
taking
Scotland killed 10,000 and lost 360 of their troops in one battle. That
was
about 80 AD. Not a lot of guns available. People kill people. Samson
used
a jawbone of an Ass to kill 1000 Philistines according to the Old
Testament.
So that makes it BC.

You're quoting war. What's the ratio between American dead and Iraqi
combatants?

We're not talking war, unless you're talking about the one
manufactured by gun manufacturers and the NRA.

Nope, we were talking about guns facilitating killing. Seems as if
killing
goes wholesale without guns.

Okay, then let's talk about the difference between a declared war and
a lunatic going postal on his fellow citizens or family.

I don't consider them the same. The closest we've gotten in domestic
terrorism is McVeigh's fertilizer bomb.

Yup, the fertilizer kill a lot of people. No guns involved.

On Tue, 14 Apr 2009 12:49:10 -0700, "Calif Bill"
wrote:


"jps" wrote in message
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We're not talking war, unless you're talking about the one
manufactured by gun manufacturers and the NRA.

Nope, we were talking about guns facilitating killing. Seems as if
killing
goes wholesale without guns.

Okay, then let's talk about the difference between a declared war and
a lunatic going postal on his fellow citizens or family.

I don't consider them the same. The closest we've gotten in domestic
terrorism is McVeigh's fertilizer bomb.

Yup, the fertilizer kill a lot of people. No guns involved.

It'd be inefficient to try to bring a building down with a gun. Wrong
tool for the job.

Plus, it would have been next to impossible to kill 168 of your fellow
citizens with firearms without attracting the attention of the
security guards at the US Federal Building.

Pardon my oversight but I've yet to hear of a convenience store
robbery or home invasion where perps threatened the victims with
fertilizer.

On Tue, 14 Apr 2009 12:49:10 -0700, "Calif Bill"
wrote:


I don't consider them the same. The closest we've gotten in domestic
terrorism is McVeigh's fertilizer bomb.

Yup, the fertilizer kill a lot of people. No guns involved.

McVeigh's grandfather introduced McVeigh to guns, and he grew
fascinated by them. McVeigh told people he wanted to be a gun shop
owner, and he sometimes took a gun to school to impress the other
boys. After graduating high school with honors, McVeigh became
intensely interested in gun rights and the Second Amendment to the
United States Constitution, and read magazines such as Soldier of
Fortune. He went to work for Burke Armored Car Service.

McVeigh was known throughout his life as a loner; his only known
affiliations were voter registration with the Republican Party when he
lived in New York, and a membership in the National Rifle Association
while in the military.[8] Despite the former, McVeigh self-identified
as a libertarian in a statement that was reported by MSNBC.com and The
Washington Post;[9] and in 1996, while in federal prison, he voted for
Libertarian candidate Harry Browne in the United States presidential
election, 1996.[10] The LP said that he violated the nonaggression
principle and thus was not a true libertarian.