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On Sat, 11 Apr 2009 12:50:03 -0400, HK wrote:

wrote:
On Apr 11, 11:57 am, John H wrote:
On Sat, 11 Apr 2009 11:23:34 -0400, "Eisboch"
wrote:



Now they have attacked a US owned tug that was towing a barge or something.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090411/..._af/piracy_152
Eisboch
I cannot understand why these ships don't have .50 cals on the bow and
stern. The damn things will reach out and touch someone a mile away.
--
John H

"The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those
who are willing to work and give to those who would not."
Thomas Jefferson

I keep hearing that armed ships are not allowed in some ports.. Seems
those ports should be empty for a while till they change their
attitudes... Another solution might be for these companies to hire a
couple of BlackWater types for each vessel. If a certain port wanted
to keep arms out, evacuate the BW guys just outside the ports
"security zone" and let the port security take the ship in... When the
ship leaves the security zone, have the BW guys placed back on board..
Just a thought...

I have also considered the cost and logistics, weather, port security,
etc... I know this would not be easy...


It's nice to see the Assholes of the Universe...you and Herring...unite.

About fifteen thousand ships a year. Not cheap, to say the least.

Casady

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On Sun, 12 Apr 2009 04:35:03 -0400, "Eisboch"
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Wooden warships had to be careful also. It was interesting taking the tour
of the USS Constitution in Boston. When they went to battle stations, one
of the crew's jobs was to man the manually operated bilge pumps and pump
water up to cover the two gun decks to prevent them from catching fire due
to spilled pow

Constitution has one gun deck, like all frigates.

Casady

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"Richard Casady" wrote in message
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On Sun, 12 Apr 2009 04:35:03 -0400, "Eisboch"
wrote:

Wooden warships had to be careful also. It was interesting taking the
tour
of the USS Constitution in Boston. When they went to battle stations, one
of the crew's jobs was to man the manually operated bilge pumps and pump
water up to cover the two gun decks to prevent them from catching fire due
to spilled pow

Constitution has one gun deck, like all frigates.

Casady



Picky, picky.

Yes, there was one *gun* deck, that had 30 cannons (15 per side). But the
main deck (or "spar deck") also had 22 larger cannons.

Both decks were flooded during battle by pumping the bilge water onto them
to prevent fires.

Eisboch

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"Tim" wrote in message
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On Apr 15, 4:19 pm, "Eisboch" wrote:
"Richard Casady" wrote in message

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On Sun, 12 Apr 2009 04:35:03 -0400, "Eisboch"
wrote:

Wooden warships had to be careful also. It was interesting taking the
tour
of the USS Constitution in Boston. When they went to battle stations,
one
of the crew's jobs was to man the manually operated bilge pumps and pump
water up to cover the two gun decks to prevent them from catching fire
due
to spilled pow

Constitution has one gun deck, like all frigates.

Casady

Picky, picky.

Yes, there was one *gun* deck, that had 30 cannons (15 per side). But the
main deck (or "spar deck") also had 22 larger cannons.

Both decks were flooded during battle by pumping the bilge water onto them
to prevent fires.

Eisboch

Wow. i didn't know that, but did they actually "flood" the decks to
wet down the floor[s] for fire control?

Either way the extra water/weight would hinder the ships
maneuverability and speed.

Or at least that's how I see it.

BTW, can you imagine the racket the gunners mates put up with down
below while firing those things off? so much for loss of hearing
compensation....

The gun fire was what caused the impressment of sailors in to duty on
military man of wars. After a battle so many were deaf that they had to get
a new gunnery crew. They could not hear orders being issued.

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On Apr 15, 9:19*pm, "Calif Bill" wrote:
"Tim" wrote in message

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On Apr 15, 4:19 pm, "Eisboch" wrote:



"Richard Casady" wrote in message

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On Sun, 12 Apr 2009 04:35:03 -0400, "Eisboch"
wrote:

Wooden warships had to be careful also. It was interesting taking the
tour
of the USS Constitution in Boston. When they went to battle stations,
one
of the crew's jobs was to man the manually operated bilge pumps and pump
water up to cover the two gun decks to prevent them from catching fire
due
to spilled pow

Constitution has one gun deck, like all frigates.

Casady

Picky, picky.

Yes, there was one *gun* deck, that had 30 cannons (15 per side). But the
main deck (or "spar deck") also had 22 larger cannons.

Both decks were flooded during battle by pumping the bilge water onto them
to prevent fires.

Eisboch

Wow. i didn't know that, but did they actually "flood" the decks to
wet down the floor[s] for fire control?

Either way the extra water/weight would hinder the ships
maneuverability and speed.

Or at least that's how I see it.

BTW, can you imagine the racket the gunners mates *put up with down
below while firing those things off? *so much for loss of hearing
compensation....

The gun fire was what caused the impressment of sailors in to duty on
military man of wars. *After a battle so many were deaf that they had to get
a new gunnery crew. *They could not hear orders being issued.

I can believe that. i wonder how many toes got squished by getting run
over by those steel wheels during recoil?

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"Tim" wrote in message
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On Apr 15, 9:19 pm, "Calif Bill" wrote:
"Tim" wrote in message

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On Apr 15, 4:19 pm, "Eisboch" wrote:



"Richard Casady" wrote in message

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On Sun, 12 Apr 2009 04:35:03 -0400, "Eisboch"
wrote:

Wooden warships had to be careful also. It was interesting taking the
tour
of the USS Constitution in Boston. When they went to battle stations,
one
of the crew's jobs was to man the manually operated bilge pumps and
pump
water up to cover the two gun decks to prevent them from catching fire
due
to spilled pow

Constitution has one gun deck, like all frigates.

Casady

Picky, picky.

Yes, there was one *gun* deck, that had 30 cannons (15 per side). But
the
main deck (or "spar deck") also had 22 larger cannons.

Both decks were flooded during battle by pumping the bilge water onto
them
to prevent fires.

Eisboch

Wow. i didn't know that, but did they actually "flood" the decks to
wet down the floor[s] for fire control?

Either way the extra water/weight would hinder the ships
maneuverability and speed.

Or at least that's how I see it.

BTW, can you imagine the racket the gunners mates put up with down
below while firing those things off? so much for loss of hearing
compensation....

The gun fire was what caused the impressment of sailors in to duty on
military man of wars. After a battle so many were deaf that they had to
get
a new gunnery crew. They could not hear orders being issued.

I can believe that. i wonder how many toes got squished by getting run
over by those steel wheels during recoil?

Probably not many. That was most likely part of the 30 minutes training
class.

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On Apr 15, 11:32*pm, "Calif Bill" wrote:
"Tim" wrote in message

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On Apr 15, 9:19 pm, "Calif Bill" wrote:



"Tim" wrote in message

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On Apr 15, 4:19 pm, "Eisboch" wrote:

"Richard Casady" wrote in message

.. .

On Sun, 12 Apr 2009 04:35:03 -0400, "Eisboch"
wrote:

Wooden warships had to be careful also. It was interesting taking the
tour
of the USS Constitution in Boston. When they went to battle stations,
one
of the crew's jobs was to man the manually operated bilge pumps and
pump
water up to cover the two gun decks to prevent them from catching fire
due
to spilled pow

Constitution has one gun deck, like all frigates.

Casady

Picky, picky.

Yes, there was one *gun* deck, that had 30 cannons (15 per side). But
the
main deck (or "spar deck") also had 22 larger cannons.

Both decks were flooded during battle by pumping the bilge water onto
them
to prevent fires.

Eisboch

Wow. i didn't know that, but did they actually "flood" the decks to
wet down the floor[s] for fire control?

Either way the extra water/weight would hinder the ships
maneuverability and speed.

Or at least that's how I see it.

BTW, can you imagine the racket the gunners mates put up with down
below while firing those things off? so much for loss of hearing
compensation....

The gun fire was what caused the impressment of sailors in to duty on
military man of wars. After a battle so many were deaf that they had to
get
a new gunnery crew. They could not hear orders being issued.

I can believe that. i wonder how many toes got squished by getting run
over by those steel wheels during recoil?

Probably not many. *That was most likely part of the 30 minutes training
class.

if anything else, it probably happened only once per man....

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"Tim" wrote in message
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On Apr 15, 4:19 pm, "Eisboch" wrote:
"Richard Casady" wrote in message

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On Sun, 12 Apr 2009 04:35:03 -0400, "Eisboch"
wrote:

Wooden warships had to be careful also. It was interesting taking the
tour
of the USS Constitution in Boston. When they went to battle stations,
one
of the crew's jobs was to man the manually operated bilge pumps and pump
water up to cover the two gun decks to prevent them from catching fire
due
to spilled pow

Constitution has one gun deck, like all frigates.

Casady

Picky, picky.

Yes, there was one *gun* deck, that had 30 cannons (15 per side). But the
main deck (or "spar deck") also had 22 larger cannons.

Both decks were flooded during battle by pumping the bilge water onto them
to prevent fires.

Eisboch

Wow. i didn't know that, but did they actually "flood" the decks to
wet down the floor[s] for fire control?

Either way the extra water/weight would hinder the ships
maneuverability and speed.

Or at least that's how I see it.

BTW, can you imagine the racket the gunners mates put up with down
below while firing those things off? so much for loss of hearing
compensation....

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Not really. When they say "flood", it isn't really flooding. They just
kept the decks wet by pumping the water up from the bilge. It probably
improved speed because the water was in the bilge anyway and when they
pumped it onto the decks, the excess ran overboard through the many scuppers
located on the decks.

If you ever have the opportunity to visit "Old Ironsides", they give a very
interesting tour and describe the various operations used when in battle.
The tour we took resulted in my learning of why the "bathroom facilities" on
a boat are referred to as "the Head". I never knew why before.

Eisboch

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"Eisboch" wrote in message
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"Tim" wrote in message
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On Apr 15, 4:19 pm, "Eisboch" wrote:
"Richard Casady" wrote in message

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On Sun, 12 Apr 2009 04:35:03 -0400, "Eisboch"
wrote:

Wooden warships had to be careful also. It was interesting taking the
tour
of the USS Constitution in Boston. When they went to battle stations,
one
of the crew's jobs was to man the manually operated bilge pumps and
pump
water up to cover the two gun decks to prevent them from catching fire
due
to spilled pow

Constitution has one gun deck, like all frigates.

Casady

Picky, picky.

Yes, there was one *gun* deck, that had 30 cannons (15 per side). But the
main deck (or "spar deck") also had 22 larger cannons.

Both decks were flooded during battle by pumping the bilge water onto
them
to prevent fires.

Eisboch

Wow. i didn't know that, but did they actually "flood" the decks to
wet down the floor[s] for fire control?

Either way the extra water/weight would hinder the ships
maneuverability and speed.

Or at least that's how I see it.

BTW, can you imagine the racket the gunners mates put up with down
below while firing those things off? so much for loss of hearing
compensation....

-------------------------------------------------

Not really. When they say "flood", it isn't really flooding. They just
kept the decks wet by pumping the water up from the bilge. It probably
improved speed because the water was in the bilge anyway and when they
pumped it onto the decks, the excess ran overboard through the many
scuppers located on the decks.

If you ever have the opportunity to visit "Old Ironsides", they give a
very interesting tour and describe the various operations used when in
battle.
The tour we took resulted in my learning of why the "bathroom facilities"
on a boat are referred to as "the Head". I never knew why before.

Eisboch

You also learned why most sailors were short people.

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"Calif Bill" wrote in message
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You also learned why most sailors were short people.


with brass balls.

Eisboch