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wrote in message
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On Apr 11, 11:57 am, John H wrote:
On Sat, 11 Apr 2009 11:23:34 -0400, "Eisboch"
wrote:



Now they have attacked a US owned tug that was towing a barge or
something.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090411/..._af/piracy_152

Eisboch

I cannot understand why these ships don't have .50 cals on the bow and
stern. The damn things will reach out and touch someone a mile away.
--
John H

"The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those
who are willing to work and give to those who would not."
Thomas Jefferson

I keep hearing that armed ships are not allowed in some ports.. Seems
those ports should be empty for a while till they change their
attitudes... Another solution might be for these companies to hire a
couple of BlackWater types for each vessel. If a certain port wanted
to keep arms out, evacuate the BW guys just outside the ports
"security zone" and let the port security take the ship in... When the
ship leaves the security zone, have the BW guys placed back on board..
Just a thought...

I have also considered the cost and logistics, weather, port security,
etc... I know this would not be easy...
---
Easy then, don't go there until they can secure the ports.

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"John H" wrote in message
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On Sat, 11 Apr 2009 10:32:22 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote:

On Apr 11, 11:14 am, wrote:
On Apr 11, 11:57 am, John H wrote:



On Sat, 11 Apr 2009 11:23:34 -0400, "Eisboch"
wrote:

Now they have attacked a US owned tug that was towing a barge or
something.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090411/..._af/piracy_152

Eisboch

I cannot understand why these ships don't have .50 cals on the bow and
stern. The damn things will reach out and touch someone a mile away.
--
John H

"The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those
who are willing to work and give to those who would not."
Thomas Jefferson

I keep hearing that armed ships are not allowed in some ports.. Seems
those ports should be empty for a while till they change their
attitudes... Another solution might be for these companies to hire a
couple of BlackWater types for each vessel. If a certain port wanted
to keep arms out, evacuate the BW guys just outside the ports
"security zone" and let the port security take the ship in... When the
ship leaves the security zone, have the BW guys placed back on board..
Just a thought...

I have also considered the cost and logistics, weather, port security,
etc... I know this would not be easy...

i was thinking the same thing. Have an armed security boat out in
Int'l waters, When the cargo ship gets out in the clear zone, then
security forces would load up on the vessel. And before it reached
it's POD, and while still out in Itn'l water another security boat
picks up the security forces and arms and the ship sails into it's
port. No defenses going out nor coming in, but in between?

well.....

Another option - an Apache helicopter, or any chopper with a mini-gun.
Then the chopper could leapfrog from ship to ship.

Or a training game for the US navy. Fly supersonic in a F18 about 80 feet
above them in a tag and run. Probably make them deaf but so what. No shots
fired, no UN BS to worry about.

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Canuck57 wrote:
"John H" wrote in message
...
On Sat, 11 Apr 2009 11:23:34 -0400, "Eisboch"
wrote:

Now they have attacked a US owned tug that was towing a barge or
something.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090411/..._af/piracy_152

Eisboch
I cannot understand why these ships don't have .50 cals on the bow and
stern. The damn things will reach out and touch someone a mile away.

I have to concur. If a 28 foot boat is coming at a freighter, I can't see
why they can't just blow them right out of the water and just make a log
entry. If I was the captian, I wouldn't even stop even if I saw them
swiming. Helping good people on the high seas is one thing, rescuing a
pirate is best left to the sharks.

Maybe even put the US satelites to good use, and forward them that boats are
leaving dock and intercept them with prejudice. Why take the time, risk and
effort on these pirates? After it is know that they will be routinely shot
up, they will cease.




Merchant ships are not usually armed. Apparently you and your
crap-for-brains buddy, Herring, aren't aware of that.

Patrolling the seas is a job for the navies and coast guards of the
world, not the merchant ships.

The world is a bit too complex for simpletons like you and Herring.



--
Palin & Bachmann in 2012 -
All Stupidity All the Time

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On Apr 11, 3:50*pm, HK wrote:


Maybe even put the US satelites to good use, and forward them that boats are
leaving dock and intercept them with prejudice. *Why take the time, risk and
effort on these pirates? *After it is know that they will be routinely shot
up, they will cease.

Merchant ships are not usually armed.

No **** Sherlock Holmes, that's what we are talking about.. Too bad
you were to busy trolling to read the thread.

Apparently you and your
crap-for-brains buddy, Herring, aren't aware of that.

See above, you should not have dropped out of school so young...


Patrolling the seas is a job for the navies and coast guards of the
world, not the merchant ships.

Or private security firms, which is what... oh forget it, you wouldn't
understand...


The world is a bit too complex for simpletons like you and Herring.

--
Palin & Bachmann in 2012 -
Bring American Pride back to Washington..

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On Sat, 11 Apr 2009 13:07:34 -0700 (PDT),
wrote:

On Apr 11, 3:50*pm, HK wrote:


Maybe even put the US satelites to good use, and forward them that boats are
leaving dock and intercept them with prejudice. *Why take the time, risk and
effort on these pirates? *After it is know that they will be routinely shot
up, they will cease.

Merchant ships are not usually armed.

No **** Sherlock Holmes, that's what we are talking about.. Too bad
you were to busy trolling to read the thread.

Apparently you and your
crap-for-brains buddy, Herring, aren't aware of that.

See above, you should not have dropped out of school so young...


Patrolling the seas is a job for the navies and coast guards of the
world, not the merchant ships.

Or private security firms, which is what... oh forget it, you wouldn't
understand...


The world is a bit too complex for simpletons like you and Herring.

--
Palin & Bachmann in 2012 -
Bring American Pride back to Washington..

Geeez.

WAFDA

Harry, that is.
--
John H

"The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those
who are willing to work and give to those who would not."
Thomas Jefferson

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On Sat, 11 Apr 2009 13:39:29 -0600, "Canuck57"
wrote:


wrote in message
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On Apr 11, 11:57 am, John H wrote:
On Sat, 11 Apr 2009 11:23:34 -0400, "Eisboch"
wrote:



Now they have attacked a US owned tug that was towing a barge or
something.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090411/..._af/piracy_152

Eisboch

I cannot understand why these ships don't have .50 cals on the bow and
stern. The damn things will reach out and touch someone a mile away.
--
John H

"The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those
who are willing to work and give to those who would not."
Thomas Jefferson

I keep hearing that armed ships are not allowed in some ports.. Seems
those ports should be empty for a while till they change their
attitudes... Another solution might be for these companies to hire a
couple of BlackWater types for each vessel. If a certain port wanted
to keep arms out, evacuate the BW guys just outside the ports
"security zone" and let the port security take the ship in... When the
ship leaves the security zone, have the BW guys placed back on board..
Just a thought...

I have also considered the cost and logistics, weather, port security,
etc... I know this would not be easy...
---
Easy then, don't go there until they can secure the ports.


I heard that also. Here. I've never heard that small arms used for
protection were not allowed aboard ships in port. A .50 cal can be put
in a locked wall locker when in port. What horse****.
--
John H

"The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those
who are willing to work and give to those who would not."
Thomas Jefferson

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On Sat, 11 Apr 2009 13:42:30 -0600, "Canuck57"
wrote:


"John H" wrote in message
.. .
On Sat, 11 Apr 2009 10:32:22 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote:

On Apr 11, 11:14 am, wrote:
On Apr 11, 11:57 am, John H wrote:



On Sat, 11 Apr 2009 11:23:34 -0400, "Eisboch"
wrote:

Now they have attacked a US owned tug that was towing a barge or
something.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090411/..._af/piracy_152

Eisboch

I cannot understand why these ships don't have .50 cals on the bow and
stern. The damn things will reach out and touch someone a mile away.
--
John H

"The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those
who are willing to work and give to those who would not."
Thomas Jefferson

I keep hearing that armed ships are not allowed in some ports.. Seems
those ports should be empty for a while till they change their
attitudes... Another solution might be for these companies to hire a
couple of BlackWater types for each vessel. If a certain port wanted
to keep arms out, evacuate the BW guys just outside the ports
"security zone" and let the port security take the ship in... When the
ship leaves the security zone, have the BW guys placed back on board..
Just a thought...

I have also considered the cost and logistics, weather, port security,
etc... I know this would not be easy...

i was thinking the same thing. Have an armed security boat out in
Int'l waters, When the cargo ship gets out in the clear zone, then
security forces would load up on the vessel. And before it reached
it's POD, and while still out in Itn'l water another security boat
picks up the security forces and arms and the ship sails into it's
port. No defenses going out nor coming in, but in between?

well.....

Another option - an Apache helicopter, or any chopper with a mini-gun.
Then the chopper could leapfrog from ship to ship.

Or a training game for the US navy. Fly supersonic in a F18 about 80 feet
above them in a tag and run. Probably make them deaf but so what. No shots
fired, no UN BS to worry about.


Well, that would get pretty costly pretty quickly, especially with a
Hornet. That thing is a gas hog. The F-14 would be more economical,
but still costly as hell. I really think this would do the job, and
they're pretty cheap.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Machine_gun_M2_1.jpg
--
John H

"The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those
who are willing to work and give to those who would not."
Thomas Jefferson

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"John H" wrote in message
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On Sat, 11 Apr 2009 13:42:30 -0600, "Canuck57"
wrote:


"John H" wrote in message
. ..
On Sat, 11 Apr 2009 10:32:22 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote:

On Apr 11, 11:14 am, wrote:
On Apr 11, 11:57 am, John H wrote:



On Sat, 11 Apr 2009 11:23:34 -0400, "Eisboch"
wrote:

Now they have attacked a US owned tug that was towing a barge or
something.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090411/..._af/piracy_152

Eisboch

I cannot understand why these ships don't have .50 cals on the bow
and
stern. The damn things will reach out and touch someone a mile away.
--
John H

"The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those
who are willing to work and give to those who would not."
Thomas Jefferson

I keep hearing that armed ships are not allowed in some ports.. Seems
those ports should be empty for a while till they change their
attitudes... Another solution might be for these companies to hire a
couple of BlackWater types for each vessel. If a certain port wanted
to keep arms out, evacuate the BW guys just outside the ports
"security zone" and let the port security take the ship in... When the
ship leaves the security zone, have the BW guys placed back on board..
Just a thought...

I have also considered the cost and logistics, weather, port security,
etc... I know this would not be easy...

i was thinking the same thing. Have an armed security boat out in
Int'l waters, When the cargo ship gets out in the clear zone, then
security forces would load up on the vessel. And before it reached
it's POD, and while still out in Itn'l water another security boat
picks up the security forces and arms and the ship sails into it's
port. No defenses going out nor coming in, but in between?

well.....

Another option - an Apache helicopter, or any chopper with a mini-gun.
Then the chopper could leapfrog from ship to ship.

Or a training game for the US navy. Fly supersonic in a F18 about 80 feet
above them in a tag and run. Probably make them deaf but so what. No
shots
fired, no UN BS to worry about.


Well, that would get pretty costly pretty quickly, especially with a
Hornet. That thing is a gas hog. The F-14 would be more economical,
but still costly as hell. I really think this would do the job, and
they're pretty cheap.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Machine_gun_M2_1.jpg
--
John H

Agreed, that would work great. Maybe the real answer is for the shipping
insurance companies to mark the entire coastal area out to 600km as
uninsurable unless armed with 4-8 of these on each ship with ex-marines and
the like.

Since ports don't allow armed ships, don't dock there. When they starve
long enough they will change the rules.

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"HK" wrote in message
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Canuck57 wrote:
"John H" wrote in message
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On Sat, 11 Apr 2009 11:23:34 -0400, "Eisboch"
wrote:

Now they have attacked a US owned tug that was towing a barge or
something.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090411/..._af/piracy_152

Eisboch
I cannot understand why these ships don't have .50 cals on the bow and
stern. The damn things will reach out and touch someone a mile away.

I have to concur. If a 28 foot boat is coming at a freighter, I can't
see why they can't just blow them right out of the water and just make a
log entry. If I was the captian, I wouldn't even stop even if I saw them
swiming. Helping good people on the high seas is one thing, rescuing a
pirate is best left to the sharks.

Maybe even put the US satelites to good use, and forward them that boats
are leaving dock and intercept them with prejudice. Why take the time,
risk and effort on these pirates? After it is know that they will be
routinely shot up, they will cease.

Merchant ships are not usually armed. Apparently you and your
crap-for-brains buddy, Herring, aren't aware of that.

Patrolling the seas is a job for the navies and coast guards of the world,
not the merchant ships.

The world is a bit too complex for simpletons like you and Herring.

Yes, I know merchant ships are not routinely armed. But in southeast Asia
they had issues there too until some found out they were dead meat when they
tried to board certain ships. They learned quick to avoid them. If I
recall correctly, there were a few publicied incidents some 10 years ago or
so, the pirates were left for dead.

There is nothing preventing them from being armed. And I don't see anyone
trying them for shooting up pirates.

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On Sat, 11 Apr 2009 16:33:24 -0400, John H
wrote:

I heard that also. Here. I've never heard that small arms used for
protection were not allowed aboard ships in port. A .50 cal can be put
in a locked wall locker when in port. What horse****.

Actually, even handguns are a no no most places. A fifty is not a
small arm.

Casady