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"thunder" wrote in message t... On Sat, 11 Apr 2009 20:55:28 -0400, Eisboch wrote: The primary objective right now is to save the civilian hostage if at all possible. Once accomplished, it will be time to minimize future occurrences. Something that seems to be overlooked here, historically, the Somali pirates have taken great pains to avoid killing their hostages. They seem to take a "businesslike" approach to piracy. It's about the ransom. On the other hand, in the Straits of Malacca, piracy is about the cargo or ship. Crews regularly go "missing" overboard. It is a business and dead hostages aren't worth anything. |
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On Sat, 11 Apr 2009 17:26:00 -0400, "Eisboch"
wrote: "Canuck57" wrote in message ... We need to get tougher to deal with this. Should have just been a nuke, one each for Iraq and Afganistan. Over in 30 minutes. Does Canada have nukes? Serious question. I don't know the answer. Eisboch There are some folks in Canada with some sense. As Canada has no need for nukes, it most likely leaves them up to us to provide if and when. -- John H "The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not." Thomas Jefferson |
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"Frogwatch" wrote in message ... On Apr 11, 5:41 pm, "Canuck57" wrote: "Eisboch" wrote in message ... "Canuck57" wrote in message ... We need to get tougher to deal with this. Should have just been a nuke, one each for Iraq and Afganistan. Over in 30 minutes. Does Canada have nukes? Serious question. I don't know the answer. Not officially. But officially we have uranium, mines and partial refinement capabilities to make them ;) If we have them, they would be US made and supplied. Some rumours fly around here and there. My guess is they could be moved from the Dakota's to Cold Lake in no time.... if they already are not there. The question is what is a desireable outcome here. If you say freeing the hostages.......WRONG. A desireable outcome is to minimize future occurences. This may be entirely different from saving the hostages and not recognizing this fact will result in many more deaths. Obama is not capable of understanding this. Paying ransom is morally wrong because it results in more hostages being taken. Thus, the actiuons of the rest of the world to this point have been both morally and logically wrong and have brought us to this point. ----------- Take a page from Isreal, nice to get hostages back but making damn sure they can't do it again, and again is paramount to success. Kill them dead while in the act. Now we are going to start the Obama $1M at a time multi-billion doolar fund for Somalia bailout plan? What a joke. I hope the president wasn't really serious of reducing the demands to $1M dollars? Was this for real? If so, USA has a real problem, and it is at home. OMG, I can't believe that. |
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"Eisboch" wrote in message ... "Frogwatch" wrote in message ... The question is what is a desireable outcome here. If you say freeing the hostages.......WRONG. A desireable outcome is to minimize future occurences. This may be entirely different from saving the hostages and not recognizing this fact will result in many more deaths. Obama is not capable of understanding this. Paying ransom is morally wrong because it results in more hostages being taken. Thus, the actiuons of the rest of the world to this point have been both morally and logically wrong and have brought us to this point. -------------------------- I would say that certainly a desirable outcome is to minimize future occurrences, however...... Agreed, and dead pirate/terrorists never repeat their offences. Our culture values life. The purpose of law enforcement and the military is to protect and secure civilian life. There have been many examples of police, firefighters and military sacrificing more than one casualty or fatality in the effort to save one civilian life. These are not civilians. They are terrorist/pirates, they have killed, they will kill and they hold people/civilians ransom including property. You even can watch them do it. That is like I can call the police, I am going to rob a bank and rape a teller, and they stand by and watch while I do it. Then let me go witha million dollars. Give me a break. Our leadership is pathetic. The primary objective right now is to save the civilian hostage if at all possible. Once accomplished, it will be time to minimize future occurrences. But letting them go or getting them money is not an option. |
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"HK" wrote in message m... Eisboch wrote: "Frogwatch" wrote in message ... The question is what is a desireable outcome here. If you say freeing the hostages.......WRONG. A desireable outcome is to minimize future occurences. This may be entirely different from saving the hostages and not recognizing this fact will result in many more deaths. Obama is not capable of understanding this. Paying ransom is morally wrong because it results in more hostages being taken. Thus, the actiuons of the rest of the world to this point have been both morally and logically wrong and have brought us to this point. -------------------------- I would say that certainly a desirable outcome is to minimize future occurrences, however...... Our culture values life. The purpose of law enforcement and the military is to protect and secure civilian life. There have been many examples of police, firefighters and military sacrificing more than one casualty or fatality in the effort to save one civilian life. The primary objective right now is to save the civilian hostage if at all possible. Once accomplished, it will be time to minimize future occurrences. Eisboch Only a complete asshole would think it ok to sacrifice the ship's captain, especially after he exchanged himself to further the safety of this crew. Try yes, most certainly they should try to save the captain. No question there. But letting them go is absolutely stupid. I wonder how long it takes for a decent navy seal pair to pop out of the water and empty a 9mm into some 4 or 5 pirates weak from no fresh water or food? Can't be that tough. |
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"thunder" wrote in message t... On Sat, 11 Apr 2009 18:29:14 -0700, Frogwatch wrote: Saving the hostage should be secondary to minimizing future incidents. I do not see any way out of that and I dont think you can either. In another forum, I just read *the* solution. Instead of tracking down and killing these pirates, we should track down and kill anyone who has paid ransom to these pirates. Case closed, no profit, no piracy. Actually, a good idea. Make it illegal to pay ransom. |
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"HK" wrote in message m... thunder wrote: On Sat, 11 Apr 2009 18:29:14 -0700, Frogwatch wrote: Saving the hostage should be secondary to minimizing future incidents. I do not see any way out of that and I dont think you can either. In another forum, I just read *the* solution. Instead of tracking down and killing these pirates, we should track down and kill anyone who has paid ransom to these pirates. Case closed, no profit, no piracy. What? Kill corporate execs? That would be so...unAmerican. :) Who knows, maybe the corporate execs get a cut? |
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Canuck57 wrote:
"HK" wrote in message m... Eisboch wrote: "Frogwatch" wrote in message ... The question is what is a desireable outcome here. If you say freeing the hostages.......WRONG. A desireable outcome is to minimize future occurences. This may be entirely different from saving the hostages and not recognizing this fact will result in many more deaths. Obama is not capable of understanding this. Paying ransom is morally wrong because it results in more hostages being taken. Thus, the actiuons of the rest of the world to this point have been both morally and logically wrong and have brought us to this point. -------------------------- I would say that certainly a desirable outcome is to minimize future occurrences, however...... Our culture values life. The purpose of law enforcement and the military is to protect and secure civilian life. There have been many examples of police, firefighters and military sacrificing more than one casualty or fatality in the effort to save one civilian life. The primary objective right now is to save the civilian hostage if at all possible. Once accomplished, it will be time to minimize future occurrences. Eisboch Only a complete asshole would think it ok to sacrifice the ship's captain, especially after he exchanged himself to further the safety of this crew. Try yes, most certainly they should try to save the captain. No question there. But letting them go is absolutely stupid. I wonder how long it takes for a decent navy seal pair to pop out of the water and empty a 9mm into some 4 or 5 pirates weak from no fresh water or food? Can't be that tough. You just gotta love right-wing keyboard warriors... -- Palin & Bachmann in 2012 - All Stupidity All the Time |
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"Canuck57" wrote Give me a break. Our leadership is pathetic. pot ........... kettle |
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"HK" wrote You just gotta love right-wing keyboard warriors... Yeah, Harry. We love ya |
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"Eisboch" wrote in message ... "Frogwatch" wrote in message ... ANY attempt at negotiation will CAUSE future incidents so logically should not be considered. It is all well and good to feel for the family of the hostage but we also have to feel for the hundrerds of potential future hostages. This logically means no negotiations. You may call being logical asshole behavior but it works better than emotionalism. Saving the hostage should be secondary to minimizing future incidents. I do not see any way out of that and I dont think you can either. ---------------------------------------------------------- Negotiation does not necessarily mean paying ransom or allowing them to go free. If that was going on, this incident would be over by now. Negotiation can also be wearing down the pirate's resolve and making them realize that they have no other option but to surrender. I am not there or privy to what the negotiations are, but I suspect the latter is what is going on. Eisboch Agreed. Here is how the negotiations should go. If the captain dies, so do you. If the captian survives and we get him back, you live to see a trial. If the captain dies for any reason, we will not accept your surender but will feed the sharks. Then sit an wait, repeat the message as needed. If buddies try a recuse of the pirates, blow them out of the water. |
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Canuck57 wrote:
"Eisboch" wrote in message ... "Frogwatch" wrote in message ... ANY attempt at negotiation will CAUSE future incidents so logically should not be considered. It is all well and good to feel for the family of the hostage but we also have to feel for the hundrerds of potential future hostages. This logically means no negotiations. You may call being logical asshole behavior but it works better than emotionalism. Saving the hostage should be secondary to minimizing future incidents. I do not see any way out of that and I dont think you can either. ---------------------------------------------------------- Negotiation does not necessarily mean paying ransom or allowing them to go free. If that was going on, this incident would be over by now. Negotiation can also be wearing down the pirate's resolve and making them realize that they have no other option but to surrender. I am not there or privy to what the negotiations are, but I suspect the latter is what is going on. Eisboch Agreed. Here is how the negotiations should go. If the captain dies, so do you. If the captian survives and we get him back, you live to see a trial. If the captain dies for any reason, we will not accept your surender but will feed the sharks. Then sit an wait, repeat the message as needed. If buddies try a recuse of the pirates, blow them out of the water. If this is a four step plan, it works for me. -- "John H" wrote in message ... Please note that Interstate 90 will be closed this weekend across South Dakota. This closure will allow the Federal Government free access to haul a 200 ton piece of coal to Mt. Rushmore so that President Obama can be added to the Presidents on the monument. -- John H -- John Herring, rec.boat's resident racist. (Tip of the hat to Don, who reposted this gem so I could see it.) |
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"thunder" wrote in message t... On Sat, 11 Apr 2009 20:55:28 -0400, Eisboch wrote: The primary objective right now is to save the civilian hostage if at all possible. Once accomplished, it will be time to minimize future occurrences. Something that seems to be overlooked here, historically, the Somali pirates have taken great pains to avoid killing their hostages. They seem to take a "businesslike" approach to piracy. It's about the ransom. On the other hand, in the Straits of Malacca, piracy is about the cargo or ship. Crews regularly go "missing" overboard. So if I rape your daughter, but be careful not to kill her, that makes me good? Or if I wait until your house is empty before looting it, that makes me good? We should NEVER fall into the trap of rationalising a prirate/terrorists actions while in the act of perpetrating the crime as is in this case. The lives of the pirates are not worth a cent. Before we go hastily slaughtering people, we may want to consider the unintended consequences of our actions. Remember the Islamic Courts Union? Well, they had ended piracy in the waters under their control. Perhaps, we should have considered that before we aided Ethiopia's invasion of Somalia. I've said it before, if you want to play geopolitical chess, you had better be able to see more than two moves ahead. If you want Sharia law, go live there. It is a Muslim country. If they are against piracy, it sure fools the rest of us. |
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"Eisboch" wrote in message ... "Don White" wrote in message ... "Eisboch" wrote in message ... "Canuck57" wrote in message ... We need to get tougher to deal with this. Should have just been a nuke, one each for Iraq and Afganistan. Over in 30 minutes. Does Canada have nukes? Serious question. I don't know the answer. Eisboch We could have been an early member of the nuclear club...in the 1950s... but official policy is against them now. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canada_...ss_destruction I did some reading on the subject. Canada isn't an "official" nuke member, but played a significant role in the development of the first bomb. The Canadian prime minister knew about the existence of the first bomb before Truman did when he took office after FDR's death. Eisboch Probably got the uranium from Ontario or Saskatchewan. |
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Canuck57 wrote:
"Eisboch" wrote in message ... "Don White" wrote in message ... "Eisboch" wrote in message ... "Canuck57" wrote in message ... We need to get tougher to deal with this. Should have just been a nuke, one each for Iraq and Afganistan. Over in 30 minutes. Does Canada have nukes? Serious question. I don't know the answer. Eisboch We could have been an early member of the nuclear club...in the 1950s... but official policy is against them now. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canada_...ss_destruction I did some reading on the subject. Canada isn't an "official" nuke member, but played a significant role in the development of the first bomb. The Canadian prime minister knew about the existence of the first bomb before Truman did when he took office after FDR's death. Eisboch Probably got the uranium from Ontario or Saskatchewan. Maybe cheney sold them the yellowcake... :) -- "John H" wrote in message ... Please note that Interstate 90 will be closed this weekend across South Dakota. This closure will allow the Federal Government free access to haul a 200 ton piece of coal to Mt. Rushmore so that President Obama can be added to the Presidents on the monument. -- John H -- John Herring, rec.boat's resident racist. (Tip of the hat to Don, who reposted this gem so I could see it.) |
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"~^ beancounter ~^" wrote in message ... Somali pirates might be considering capturing Obama's family in neighboring Kenya. What kind of ransom would they demand? Remember his brothers, sisters, aunts, uncles, grandparents are all there living in a shanty..... Interesting thought.... |
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On Apr 11, 5:26*pm, "Eisboch" wrote:
"Canuck57" wrote in message ... We need to get tougher to deal with this. *Should have just been a nuke, one each for Iraq and Afganistan. *Over in 30 minutes. Does Canada have nukes? Serious question. * I don't know the answer. Eisboch No, we have foul language, and supposedly the best Bud ( not the beer ). |
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Frogwatch wrote:
For GOD's sake, send reinforcements quick. A billion dollar destroyer that could single handedly defeat Japan in WW2 is stymied by three thugs in a lifeboat and Obama panics and sends reinforcements when he hears they may be joined by another unarmed merchant vessel with a dozen or so pirates. Obama sends a stern warning, "I'm not kidding, unless they reduce their demands to $1 million, this time I'll not only bow, I'll pucker up too" sure put the fear of something into those pirates. Meanwhile, those awful brits at the UK Telegraph are calling Obama a "Pantywaist surrender monkey". When a euro type calls you that, its gotta hurt. In light of today's outcome, don't you feel a bit like an idiot? |
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On Apr 12, 7:38*pm, Jim wrote:
Frogwatch wrote: For GOD's sake, send reinforcements quick. *A billion dollar destroyer that could single handedly defeat Japan in WW2 is stymied by three thugs in a lifeboat and Obama panics and sends reinforcements when he hears they may be joined by another unarmed merchant vessel with a dozen or so pirates. Obama sends a stern warning, "I'm not kidding, unless they reduce their demands to $1 million, this time I'll not only bow, I'll pucker up too" sure put the fear of something into those pirates. Meanwhile, those awful brits at the UK Telegraph are calling Obama a "Pantywaist surrender monkey". *When a euro type calls you that, its gotta hurt. In light of today's outcome, don't you feel a bit like an idiot? How long do you think it will take Obermann to credit Obama for everything from handling the negotiations to taking the shot:) ? |
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On Apr 13, 7:01*pm, Jim wrote:
wrote: On Apr 12, 7:38 pm, Jim wrote: Frogwatch wrote: For GOD's sake, send reinforcements quick. *A billion dollar destroyer that could single handedly defeat Japan in WW2 is stymied by three thugs in a lifeboat and Obama panics and sends reinforcements when he hears they may be joined by another unarmed merchant vessel with a dozen or so pirates. Obama sends a stern warning, "I'm not kidding, unless they reduce their demands to $1 million, this time I'll not only bow, I'll pucker up too" sure put the fear of something into those pirates. Meanwhile, those awful brits at the UK Telegraph are calling Obama a "Pantywaist surrender monkey". *When a euro type calls you that, its gotta hurt. In light of today's outcome, don't you feel a bit like an idiot? How long do you think it will take Obermann to credit Obama for everything from handling the negotiations to taking the shot:) ? Not nearly as long as it will take you to blame Obama for everything that's happened for the last 8 years. I did not call Obama a Pantyywaist Surrender Monkey, the UK Telegraph did. However, I still think Obama is in waaaaaaaay over his head. |
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On Mon, 13 Apr 2009 17:35:36 -0700 (PDT), Frogwatch
wrote: On Apr 13, 7:01*pm, Jim wrote: wrote: On Apr 12, 7:38 pm, Jim wrote: Frogwatch wrote: For GOD's sake, send reinforcements quick. *A billion dollar destroyer that could single handedly defeat Japan in WW2 is stymied by three thugs in a lifeboat and Obama panics and sends reinforcements when he hears they may be joined by another unarmed merchant vessel with a dozen or so pirates. Obama sends a stern warning, "I'm not kidding, unless they reduce their demands to $1 million, this time I'll not only bow, I'll pucker up too" sure put the fear of something into those pirates. Meanwhile, those awful brits at the UK Telegraph are calling Obama a "Pantywaist surrender monkey". *When a euro type calls you that, its gotta hurt. In light of today's outcome, don't you feel a bit like an idiot? How long do you think it will take Obermann to credit Obama for everything from handling the negotiations to taking the shot:) ? Not nearly as long as it will take you to blame Obama for everything that's happened for the last 8 years. I did not call Obama a Pantyywaist Surrender Monkey, the UK Telegraph did. However, I still think Obama is in waaaaaaaay over his head. The right-wing punditry was out betting on our inability to control the circumstance, in hopes that it'd reflect poorly on Obama. Newt, Michelle Malkin, Hannity and every other dweeb that could place a bad bet were in attendance. Sure enough, now the credit goes to the special forces and "our president" never to be referred to by name. Half-baked foolishness from a party near death. |
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jps wrote:
On Mon, 13 Apr 2009 17:35:36 -0700 (PDT), Frogwatch wrote: On Apr 13, 7:01 pm, Jim wrote: wrote: On Apr 12, 7:38 pm, Jim wrote: Frogwatch wrote: For GOD's sake, send reinforcements quick. A billion dollar destroyer that could single handedly defeat Japan in WW2 is stymied by three thugs in a lifeboat and Obama panics and sends reinforcements when he hears they may be joined by another unarmed merchant vessel with a dozen or so pirates. Obama sends a stern warning, "I'm not kidding, unless they reduce their demands to $1 million, this time I'll not only bow, I'll pucker up too" sure put the fear of something into those pirates. Meanwhile, those awful brits at the UK Telegraph are calling Obama a "Pantywaist surrender monkey". When a euro type calls you that, its gotta hurt. In light of today's outcome, don't you feel a bit like an idiot? How long do you think it will take Obermann to credit Obama for everything from handling the negotiations to taking the shot:) ? Not nearly as long as it will take you to blame Obama for everything that's happened for the last 8 years. I did not call Obama a Pantyywaist Surrender Monkey, the UK Telegraph did. However, I still think Obama is in waaaaaaaay over his head. The right-wing punditry was out betting on our inability to control the circumstance, in hopes that it'd reflect poorly on Obama. You can't control the circumstances on the high seas. Newt, Michelle Malkin, Hannity and every other dweeb that could place a bad bet were in attendance. Sure enough, now the credit goes to the special forces and "our president" never to be referred to by name. Half-baked foolishness from a party near death. |
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jps wrote:
On Mon, 13 Apr 2009 17:35:36 -0700 (PDT), Frogwatch wrote: On Apr 13, 7:01 pm, Jim wrote: wrote: On Apr 12, 7:38 pm, Jim wrote: Frogwatch wrote: For GOD's sake, send reinforcements quick. A billion dollar destroyer that could single handedly defeat Japan in WW2 is stymied by three thugs in a lifeboat and Obama panics and sends reinforcements when he hears they may be joined by another unarmed merchant vessel with a dozen or so pirates. Obama sends a stern warning, "I'm not kidding, unless they reduce their demands to $1 million, this time I'll not only bow, I'll pucker up too" sure put the fear of something into those pirates. Meanwhile, those awful brits at the UK Telegraph are calling Obama a "Pantywaist surrender monkey". When a euro type calls you that, its gotta hurt. In light of today's outcome, don't you feel a bit like an idiot? How long do you think it will take Obermann to credit Obama for everything from handling the negotiations to taking the shot:) ? Not nearly as long as it will take you to blame Obama for everything that's happened for the last 8 years. I did not call Obama a Pantyywaist Surrender Monkey, the UK Telegraph did. However, I still think Obama is in waaaaaaaay over his head. The right-wing punditry was out betting on our inability to control the circumstance, in hopes that it'd reflect poorly on Obama. Newt, Michelle Malkin, Hannity and every other dweeb that could place a bad bet were in attendance. Sure enough, now the credit goes to the special forces and "our president" never to be referred to by name. Half-baked foolishness from a party near death. The right-wing nutsies "hope for failure" in resolving the pirate-hostage issue was more than palpable. Their leader, Rush Limbaugh, wants Obama "to fail," and so do they. It is their only hope to get back in control, because they have no plans, no ideas, no nothing in order to entice the voters. Consider who here are the right-wing nutsies - guys no rational person would choose to shine shoes. -- "John H" wrote in message ... Please note that Interstate 90 will be closed this weekend across South Dakota. This closure will allow the Federal Government free access to haul a 200 ton piece of coal to Mt. Rushmore so that President Obama can be added to the Presidents on the monument. -- John H -- John Herring, rec.boat's resident racist. (Tip of the hat to Don, who reposted this gem so I could see it.) |
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On Mon, 13 Apr 2009 22:15:14 -0400, HK wrote:
jps wrote: On Mon, 13 Apr 2009 17:35:36 -0700 (PDT), Frogwatch wrote: On Apr 13, 7:01 pm, Jim wrote: wrote: On Apr 12, 7:38 pm, Jim wrote: Frogwatch wrote: For GOD's sake, send reinforcements quick. A billion dollar destroyer that could single handedly defeat Japan in WW2 is stymied by three thugs in a lifeboat and Obama panics and sends reinforcements when he hears they may be joined by another unarmed merchant vessel with a dozen or so pirates. Obama sends a stern warning, "I'm not kidding, unless they reduce their demands to $1 million, this time I'll not only bow, I'll pucker up too" sure put the fear of something into those pirates. Meanwhile, those awful brits at the UK Telegraph are calling Obama a "Pantywaist surrender monkey". When a euro type calls you that, its gotta hurt. In light of today's outcome, don't you feel a bit like an idiot? How long do you think it will take Obermann to credit Obama for everything from handling the negotiations to taking the shot:) ? Not nearly as long as it will take you to blame Obama for everything that's happened for the last 8 years. I did not call Obama a Pantyywaist Surrender Monkey, the UK Telegraph did. However, I still think Obama is in waaaaaaaay over his head. The right-wing punditry was out betting on our inability to control the circumstance, in hopes that it'd reflect poorly on Obama. Newt, Michelle Malkin, Hannity and every other dweeb that could place a bad bet were in attendance. Sure enough, now the credit goes to the special forces and "our president" never to be referred to by name. Half-baked foolishness from a party near death. The right-wing nutsies "hope for failure" in resolving the pirate-hostage issue was more than palpable. Their leader, Rush Limbaugh, wants Obama "to fail," and so do they. It is their only hope to get back in control, because they have no plans, no ideas, no nothing in order to entice the voters. Consider who here are the right-wing nutsies - guys no rational person would choose to shine shoes. It's really surprising how out of touch they are. Not long ago it was the dems who lacked ideas. They foundered, lost a lot of elections. When they finally came to their senses, they pushed ideas that captured the imagination of Americans that yearned for leadership and goals. Republicans seem to have completely forgotten that lesson. They're completely void of ideas that Americans can embrace, now reduced to making come line bets against the party in power. It doesn't help our country to be without a worthy opposition, whether it be Rs or Ds. But the Rs right now are in the saddest shape I've witnessed since I started paying attention in the 70s. |
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"jps" wrote in message ... On Mon, 13 Apr 2009 22:15:14 -0400, HK wrote: jps wrote: On Mon, 13 Apr 2009 17:35:36 -0700 (PDT), Frogwatch wrote: On Apr 13, 7:01 pm, Jim wrote: wrote: On Apr 12, 7:38 pm, Jim wrote: Frogwatch wrote: For GOD's sake, send reinforcements quick. A billion dollar destroyer that could single handedly defeat Japan in WW2 is stymied by three thugs in a lifeboat and Obama panics and sends reinforcements when he hears they may be joined by another unarmed merchant vessel with a dozen or so pirates. Obama sends a stern warning, "I'm not kidding, unless they reduce their demands to $1 million, this time I'll not only bow, I'll pucker up too" sure put the fear of something into those pirates. Meanwhile, those awful brits at the UK Telegraph are calling Obama a "Pantywaist surrender monkey". When a euro type calls you that, its gotta hurt. In light of today's outcome, don't you feel a bit like an idiot? How long do you think it will take Obermann to credit Obama for everything from handling the negotiations to taking the shot:) ? Not nearly as long as it will take you to blame Obama for everything that's happened for the last 8 years. I did not call Obama a Pantyywaist Surrender Monkey, the UK Telegraph did. However, I still think Obama is in waaaaaaaay over his head. The right-wing punditry was out betting on our inability to control the circumstance, in hopes that it'd reflect poorly on Obama. Newt, Michelle Malkin, Hannity and every other dweeb that could place a bad bet were in attendance. Sure enough, now the credit goes to the special forces and "our president" never to be referred to by name. Half-baked foolishness from a party near death. The right-wing nutsies "hope for failure" in resolving the pirate-hostage issue was more than palpable. Their leader, Rush Limbaugh, wants Obama "to fail," and so do they. It is their only hope to get back in control, because they have no plans, no ideas, no nothing in order to entice the voters. Consider who here are the right-wing nutsies - guys no rational person would choose to shine shoes. It's really surprising how out of touch they are. Not long ago it was the dems who lacked ideas. They foundered, lost a lot of elections. When they finally came to their senses, they pushed ideas that captured the imagination of Americans that yearned for leadership and goals. Republicans seem to have completely forgotten that lesson. They're completely void of ideas that Americans can embrace, now reduced to making come line bets against the party in power. It doesn't help our country to be without a worthy opposition, whether it be Rs or Ds. But the Rs right now are in the saddest shape I've witnessed since I started paying attention in the 70s. Actually both the D's and R's are in sad shape. And if the D's do not correct their course (boating reference) in a short time, they are going to be on the outside looking in again. Obama won the popular vote by a small majority. This was not a landslide victory. Hell, after Bush, just about any D could of won. And when you see how little the D's polled against a lightweight candidate in McCain, you need to be really worried. |
Obama hostage crisis, day 2
On Mon, 13 Apr 2009 21:58:44 -0700, "Calif Bill"
wrote: "jps" wrote in message .. . On Mon, 13 Apr 2009 22:15:14 -0400, HK wrote: jps wrote: On Mon, 13 Apr 2009 17:35:36 -0700 (PDT), Frogwatch wrote: On Apr 13, 7:01 pm, Jim wrote: wrote: On Apr 12, 7:38 pm, Jim wrote: Frogwatch wrote: For GOD's sake, send reinforcements quick. A billion dollar destroyer that could single handedly defeat Japan in WW2 is stymied by three thugs in a lifeboat and Obama panics and sends reinforcements when he hears they may be joined by another unarmed merchant vessel with a dozen or so pirates. Obama sends a stern warning, "I'm not kidding, unless they reduce their demands to $1 million, this time I'll not only bow, I'll pucker up too" sure put the fear of something into those pirates. Meanwhile, those awful brits at the UK Telegraph are calling Obama a "Pantywaist surrender monkey". When a euro type calls you that, its gotta hurt. In light of today's outcome, don't you feel a bit like an idiot? How long do you think it will take Obermann to credit Obama for everything from handling the negotiations to taking the shot:) ? Not nearly as long as it will take you to blame Obama for everything that's happened for the last 8 years. I did not call Obama a Pantyywaist Surrender Monkey, the UK Telegraph did. However, I still think Obama is in waaaaaaaay over his head. The right-wing punditry was out betting on our inability to control the circumstance, in hopes that it'd reflect poorly on Obama. Newt, Michelle Malkin, Hannity and every other dweeb that could place a bad bet were in attendance. Sure enough, now the credit goes to the special forces and "our president" never to be referred to by name. Half-baked foolishness from a party near death. The right-wing nutsies "hope for failure" in resolving the pirate-hostage issue was more than palpable. Their leader, Rush Limbaugh, wants Obama "to fail," and so do they. It is their only hope to get back in control, because they have no plans, no ideas, no nothing in order to entice the voters. Consider who here are the right-wing nutsies - guys no rational person would choose to shine shoes. It's really surprising how out of touch they are. Not long ago it was the dems who lacked ideas. They foundered, lost a lot of elections. When they finally came to their senses, they pushed ideas that captured the imagination of Americans that yearned for leadership and goals. Republicans seem to have completely forgotten that lesson. They're completely void of ideas that Americans can embrace, now reduced to making come line bets against the party in power. It doesn't help our country to be without a worthy opposition, whether it be Rs or Ds. But the Rs right now are in the saddest shape I've witnessed since I started paying attention in the 70s. Actually both the D's and R's are in sad shape. And if the D's do not correct their course (boating reference) in a short time, they are going to be on the outside looking in again. Obama won the popular vote by a small majority. This was not a landslide victory. Hell, after Bush, just about any D could of won. And when you see how little the D's polled against a lightweight candidate in McCain, you need to be really worried. Bill, Obama won by the largest percentage in recent history. The 6% margin in popular vote is considered a landslide. I agree that D's can screw it up but the complete lack of ideas from the R's isn't going to return them to power. Obama will take advantage of every opportunity the R's give him to undercut their message and connection to the electorate. They'd better come up with real answers to real problems if they hope to gain any foothold in the next several election cycles. |
Obama hostage crisis, day 2
On Mon, 13 Apr 2009 21:58:44 -0700, Calif Bill wrote:
Actually both the D's and R's are in sad shape. And if the D's do not correct their course (boating reference) in a short time, they are going to be on the outside looking in again. Obama won the popular vote by a small majority. This was not a landslide victory. Hell, after Bush, just about any D could of won. And when you see how little the D's polled against a lightweight candidate in McCain, you need to be really worried. Yeah, but . . . don't just concentrate on the Presidential election, look at the Congressional elections, Gubernatorial elections, etc. The Republicans have a plurality in just *five* states. They have given up the middle ground from which most elections are won, and, they are fundamentally divided between the conservative (political) right, and the Christian right. IMO, the Republicans are so weakened that a third party, perhaps the Libertarians, might provide the opposition in a couple of election cycles. On another point, I wouldn't call McCain lightweight. He did run a very poor campaign, but he isn't a lightweight. |
Obama hostage crisis, day 2
"thunder" wrote in message t... On Mon, 13 Apr 2009 21:58:44 -0700, Calif Bill wrote: Actually both the D's and R's are in sad shape. And if the D's do not correct their course (boating reference) in a short time, they are going to be on the outside looking in again. Obama won the popular vote by a small majority. This was not a landslide victory. Hell, after Bush, just about any D could of won. And when you see how little the D's polled against a lightweight candidate in McCain, you need to be really worried. Yeah, but . . . don't just concentrate on the Presidential election, look at the Congressional elections, Gubernatorial elections, etc. The Republicans have a plurality in just *five* states. They have given up the middle ground from which most elections are won, and, they are fundamentally divided between the conservative (political) right, and the Christian right. IMO, the Republicans are so weakened that a third party, perhaps the Libertarians, might provide the opposition in a couple of election cycles. On another point, I wouldn't call McCain lightweight. He did run a very poor campaign, but he isn't a lightweight. McCain is a lightweight. No charisma, no real fire, no great ideas. More and more people are registering Independent, so the Libertarians may gain a lot of power, if they put forward a lot of middle of the road, self sufficiency ideas. Ideas on how to really trim back government control and spending. Until then, they are just a party favoring loosening up drug laws. People are ****ed about the Trillion dollar wasteful "stimulus" package. Looks more like a Trillion bucks of earmarks. |
Obama hostage crisis, day 2
Calif Bill wrote:
"thunder" wrote in message t... On Mon, 13 Apr 2009 21:58:44 -0700, Calif Bill wrote: Actually both the D's and R's are in sad shape. And if the D's do not correct their course (boating reference) in a short time, they are going to be on the outside looking in again. Obama won the popular vote by a small majority. This was not a landslide victory. Hell, after Bush, just about any D could of won. And when you see how little the D's polled against a lightweight candidate in McCain, you need to be really worried. Yeah, but . . . don't just concentrate on the Presidential election, look at the Congressional elections, Gubernatorial elections, etc. The Republicans have a plurality in just *five* states. They have given up the middle ground from which most elections are won, and, they are fundamentally divided between the conservative (political) right, and the Christian right. IMO, the Republicans are so weakened that a third party, perhaps the Libertarians, might provide the opposition in a couple of election cycles. On another point, I wouldn't call McCain lightweight. He did run a very poor campaign, but he isn't a lightweight. McCain is a lightweight. No charisma, no real fire, no great ideas. More and more people are registering Independent, so the Libertarians may gain a lot of power, if they put forward a lot of middle of the road, self sufficiency ideas. Ideas on how to really trim back government control and spending. Until then, they are just a party favoring loosening up drug laws. People are ****ed about the Trillion dollar wasteful "stimulus" package. Looks more like a Trillion bucks of earmarks. There's nothing in the GOP these days but lightweights. Looking for a fellow racist? Look no farther than: -- "John H" wrote in message ... Please note that Interstate 90 will be closed this weekend across South Dakota. This closure will allow the Federal Government free access to haul a 200 ton piece of coal to Mt. Rushmore so that President Obama can be added to the Presidents on the monument. -- John H -- John Herring, rec.boat's resident racist. |
Obama hostage crisis, day 2
On Apr 14, 12:38*pm, HK wrote:
There's nothing in the GOP these days but lightweights. Everyone's a lightweight compared to you, you fat, nasty grotesque old slob. |
Obama hostage crisis, day 2
"HK" wrote in message m... Calif Bill wrote: "thunder" wrote in message t... On Mon, 13 Apr 2009 21:58:44 -0700, Calif Bill wrote: Actually both the D's and R's are in sad shape. And if the D's do not correct their course (boating reference) in a short time, they are going to be on the outside looking in again. Obama won the popular vote by a small majority. This was not a landslide victory. Hell, after Bush, just about any D could of won. And when you see how little the D's polled against a lightweight candidate in McCain, you need to be really worried. Yeah, but . . . don't just concentrate on the Presidential election, look at the Congressional elections, Gubernatorial elections, etc. The Republicans have a plurality in just *five* states. They have given up the middle ground from which most elections are won, and, they are fundamentally divided between the conservative (political) right, and the Christian right. IMO, the Republicans are so weakened that a third party, perhaps the Libertarians, might provide the opposition in a couple of election cycles. On another point, I wouldn't call McCain lightweight. He did run a very poor campaign, but he isn't a lightweight. McCain is a lightweight. No charisma, no real fire, no great ideas. More and more people are registering Independent, so the Libertarians may gain a lot of power, if they put forward a lot of middle of the road, self sufficiency ideas. Ideas on how to really trim back government control and spending. Until then, they are just a party favoring loosening up drug laws. People are ****ed about the Trillion dollar wasteful "stimulus" package. Looks more like a Trillion bucks of earmarks. There's nothing in the GOP these days but lightweights. Seems to be the same in the Dem's also. |
Obama hostage crisis, day 2
Calif Bill wrote:
"HK" wrote in message m... Calif Bill wrote: "thunder" wrote in message t... On Mon, 13 Apr 2009 21:58:44 -0700, Calif Bill wrote: Actually both the D's and R's are in sad shape. And if the D's do not correct their course (boating reference) in a short time, they are going to be on the outside looking in again. Obama won the popular vote by a small majority. This was not a landslide victory. Hell, after Bush, just about any D could of won. And when you see how little the D's polled against a lightweight candidate in McCain, you need to be really worried. Yeah, but . . . don't just concentrate on the Presidential election, look at the Congressional elections, Gubernatorial elections, etc. The Republicans have a plurality in just *five* states. They have given up the middle ground from which most elections are won, and, they are fundamentally divided between the conservative (political) right, and the Christian right. IMO, the Republicans are so weakened that a third party, perhaps the Libertarians, might provide the opposition in a couple of election cycles. On another point, I wouldn't call McCain lightweight. He did run a very poor campaign, but he isn't a lightweight. McCain is a lightweight. No charisma, no real fire, no great ideas. More and more people are registering Independent, so the Libertarians may gain a lot of power, if they put forward a lot of middle of the road, self sufficiency ideas. Ideas on how to really trim back government control and spending. Until then, they are just a party favoring loosening up drug laws. People are ****ed about the Trillion dollar wasteful "stimulus" package. Looks more like a Trillion bucks of earmarks. There's nothing in the GOP these days but lightweights. Seems to be the same in the Dem's also. Really? The Dems beat the crap ap out of the 'pubs in 2008, even winning the White House despite the efforts of many racist 'pubs to demonize Obama. If Obama gets a decent turnaround going, and it is looking more and more as if he will, the 'pubs will get trounced in 2010 and 2012. That, of course, will make the 'pubs go farther to the right, and thus continue their path into oblivion. -- "John H" wrote in message ... Please note that Interstate 90 will be closed this weekend across South Dakota. This closure will allow the Federal Government free access to haul a 200 ton piece of coal to Mt. Rushmore so that President Obama can be added to the Presidents on the monument. -- John H -- John Herring, rec.boat's resident racist. (Tip of the hat to Don, who reposted this gem so I could see it.) |
Obama hostage crisis, day 2
On Apr 14, 6:27*pm, "Calif Bill" wrote:
"HK" wrote in message Really? The Dems beat the crap ap out of the 'pubs in 2008, even winning the White House despite the efforts of many racist 'pubs to demonize Obama. If Obama gets a decent turnaround going, and it is looking more and more as if he will, the 'pubs will get trounced in 2010 and 2012. That, of course, will make the 'pubs go farther to the right, and thus continue their path into oblivion. The Dem's did not beat the crap out of the 'pubs. *Maybe you your small, bigoted brain. *The popular vote was only about 6% difference. *After the previous 8 years and the Dem's can only pull 6 % majority? *They are on shaky ground. *Obama may get a boost from the economy recovering slightly, but most people are not giving credit to the government for the turn around. If anything they look at the government as goign spending crazy and none of that spending is helping. *The economy is coming back despite the Fed's.. The $Trillion or maybe $2 trillion by the end of the year the Dem controlled Congress is putting in play is not setting well with the people who actually vote and pay for it. *Their immigration response is really ****ing off a huge majority of the citizens. *You may have a job near election cycle trying to spin the developing election disaster for the Dems. And remember, a good amount of that 6% in the election was fabricated by ACORN... The country is still pretty much centrist, even if the media and the administration are squashing freedom of speech and shaping the propaganda.. There is a lot of buyers remourse going on in the blogs. Even democrats are hosting tea parties tomorrow. Really only a few hard core ideologues left who are not starting to stop and take a look at what is really happening and what they have unleashed on the US. The most corrupt congress in history, holding hands with the most criminal Administration in history, we are screwed... |
Obama hostage crisis, day 2
"HK" wrote in message Really? The Dems beat the crap ap out of the 'pubs in 2008, even winning the White House despite the efforts of many racist 'pubs to demonize Obama. If Obama gets a decent turnaround going, and it is looking more and more as if he will, the 'pubs will get trounced in 2010 and 2012. That, of course, will make the 'pubs go farther to the right, and thus continue their path into oblivion. The Dem's did not beat the crap out of the 'pubs. Maybe you your small, bigoted brain. The popular vote was only about 6% difference. After the previous 8 years and the Dem's can only pull 6 % majority? They are on shaky ground. Obama may get a boost from the economy recovering slightly, but most people are not giving credit to the government for the turn around. If anything they look at the government as goign spending crazy and none of that spending is helping. The economy is coming back despite the Fed's. The $Trillion or maybe $2 trillion by the end of the year the Dem controlled Congress is putting in play is not setting well with the people who actually vote and pay for it. Their immigration response is really ****ing off a huge majority of the citizens. You may have a job near election cycle trying to spin the developing election disaster for the Dems. |
Obama hostage crisis, day 2
On Tue, 14 Apr 2009 15:27:18 -0700, "Calif Bill"
wrote: "HK" wrote in message Really? The Dems beat the crap ap out of the 'pubs in 2008, even winning the White House despite the efforts of many racist 'pubs to demonize Obama. If Obama gets a decent turnaround going, and it is looking more and more as if he will, the 'pubs will get trounced in 2010 and 2012. That, of course, will make the 'pubs go farther to the right, and thus continue their path into oblivion. The Dem's did not beat the crap out of the 'pubs. Maybe you your small, bigoted brain. The popular vote was only about 6% difference. After the previous 8 years and the Dem's can only pull 6 % majority? They are on shaky ground. Obama may get a boost from the economy recovering slightly, but most people are not giving credit to the government for the turn around. If anything they look at the government as goign spending crazy and none of that spending is helping. The economy is coming back despite the Fed's. The $Trillion or maybe $2 trillion by the end of the year the Dem controlled Congress is putting in play is not setting well with the people who actually vote and pay for it. Their immigration response is really ****ing off a huge majority of the citizens. You may have a job near election cycle trying to spin the developing election disaster for the Dems. Ronald Reagan won a landslide against Jimmy Carter 9.7% GHW Bush soundly trounced Mike Dukakis, margin of victory was 7.8%. Barack Obama margin of victory 7.3% He doubled the number of votes McCain received from the electoral college, which as you know, is the main focus of the campaigns. By any measure, it was a sizable victory for Obama and the D's. |
Obama hostage crisis, day 2
wrote in message ... snip..... The most corrupt congress in history, holding hands with the most criminal Administration in history, we are screwed... ************************************************** ******** If you believe that..then it's time to qut whining and take it like a man. |
Obama hostage crisis, day 2
On Tue, 14 Apr 2009 20:17:59 -0300, "Don White"
wrote: wrote in message ... snip..... The most corrupt congress in history, holding hands with the most criminal Administration in history, we are screwed... ************************************************* ********* If you believe that..then it's time to qut whining and take it like a man. They can't tell the difference between tyranny and losing and election. Like Jon Stewart said, losing is supposed to taste like a **** taco. Enjoy your meal Freak, I hope you're choking it down for several election cycles. |
Obama hostage crisis, day 2
"jps" wrote in message ... On Tue, 14 Apr 2009 15:27:18 -0700, "Calif Bill" wrote: "HK" wrote in message Really? The Dems beat the crap ap out of the 'pubs in 2008, even winning the White House despite the efforts of many racist 'pubs to demonize Obama. If Obama gets a decent turnaround going, and it is looking more and more as if he will, the 'pubs will get trounced in 2010 and 2012. That, of course, will make the 'pubs go farther to the right, and thus continue their path into oblivion. The Dem's did not beat the crap out of the 'pubs. Maybe you your small, bigoted brain. The popular vote was only about 6% difference. After the previous 8 years and the Dem's can only pull 6 % majority? They are on shaky ground. Obama may get a boost from the economy recovering slightly, but most people are not giving credit to the government for the turn around. If anything they look at the government as goign spending crazy and none of that spending is helping. The economy is coming back despite the Fed's. The $Trillion or maybe $2 trillion by the end of the year the Dem controlled Congress is putting in play is not setting well with the people who actually vote and pay for it. Their immigration response is really ****ing off a huge majority of the citizens. You may have a job near election cycle trying to spin the developing election disaster for the Dems. Ronald Reagan won a landslide against Jimmy Carter 9.7% GHW Bush soundly trounced Mike Dukakis, margin of victory was 7.8%. Barack Obama margin of victory 7.3% He doubled the number of votes McCain received from the electoral college, which as you know, is the main focus of the campaigns. By any measure, it was a sizable victory for Obama and the D's. Sophistry. And look how long the Party with the "landslide" controlled the Presidency in most of those elections. |
Obama hostage crisis, day 2
wrote in message ... On Wed, 15 Apr 2009 13:15:25 -0400, Keith Nuttle wrote: Calif Bill wrote: "jps" wrote in message ... On Tue, 14 Apr 2009 15:27:18 -0700, "Calif Bill" wrote: "HK" wrote in message Really? The Dems beat the crap ap out of the 'pubs in 2008, even winning the White House despite the efforts of many racist 'pubs to demonize Obama. If Obama gets a decent turnaround going, and it is looking more and more as if he will, the 'pubs will get trounced in 2010 and 2012. That, of course, will make the 'pubs go farther to the right, and thus continue their path into oblivion. The Dem's did not beat the crap out of the 'pubs. Maybe you your small, bigoted brain. The popular vote was only about 6% difference. After the previous 8 years and the Dem's can only pull 6 % majority? They are on shaky ground. Obama may get a boost from the economy recovering slightly, but most people are not giving credit to the government for the turn around. If anything they look at the government as goign spending crazy and none of that spending is helping. The economy is coming back despite the Fed's. The $Trillion or maybe $2 trillion by the end of the year the Dem controlled Congress is putting in play is not setting well with the people who actually vote and pay for it. Their immigration response is really ****ing off a huge majority of the citizens. You may have a job near election cycle trying to spin the developing election disaster for the Dems. Ronald Reagan won a landslide against Jimmy Carter 9.7% GHW Bush soundly trounced Mike Dukakis, margin of victory was 7.8%. Barack Obama margin of victory 7.3% He doubled the number of votes McCain received from the electoral college, which as you know, is the main focus of the campaigns. By any measure, it was a sizable victory for Obama and the D's. Sophistry. And look how long the Party with the "landslide" controlled the Presidency in most of those elections. What many people do not realize is that BO represents the people who live in only about 10% of the country. That 10% being the areas in the coastal cities and a some precincts in the inland cities. The 90% that did not accept the BO line elect most of the members of the Senate. So, the senate is 90% republicans? Nope, is more centrist than the presidency and the House of Reprehensibles. |
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