Tire plugs (was rain)
 

On Mar 26, 1:08*pm, "D.Duck" wrote:
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On Mar 26, 10:45 am, "D.Duck" wrote:





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On Mar 26, 9:03 am, "Don White" wrote:

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On Mar 25, 3:10 pm, HK wrote:

Eisboch wrote:

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I've been plugging my own tires (yes, steel belt radials) since I
can
remember. I've NEVER had one fail. And that myth about not using
them
in sidewalls? I had a puncture in the sidewall of my Jeep tire,
plugged it, ran it for 25,000 miles. It never failed, the tire tread
wore out.

-----------------------------------

I'd say you were lucky.

Using a plug in the tread section of a tire is not a big deal
because
the failure mode, (if it fails) is typically a slow leak that is
noticeable.

The problem with using them in the sidewall isn't associated with
the
plug. It's the risk that the damage to the sidewall of the tire
itself
(from the original cut or hole) compromises the sidewall strength of
the
tire. The failure mode is likely to be a sudden and catastrophic
blowout and immediate deflation. Not something you want to happen
tooling down the highway at 65 mph. Tends to send vehicles end over
end.

Reputable garages will refuse to even attempt to fix a tire with
sidewall damage.

Eisboch

Just about every legit site on auto repair and tire repair tells
readers
NOT to plug sidewalls.

I'd nominate Loogy for a Darwin Award, but he'd probably put it on his
mantel and point to it with pride.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Psssst, idiot alert!
I've plugged more tires than you've ever seen.
Also, notice that I said that if I owned and operated a repair shop, I
wouldn't do it. It's a liability issue. I wouldn't plug a tire PERIOD
if I had liability. No matter where, technically a plug is a temporary
fix.

************************************************** *****************************

mmm....... ifyou feel that way..what about your family...driving in that
old
Jeep with the sidewall plug.
How about the other innocent motorists you might run into after losing
control of your vehicle during a blowout.
Do you only care for financial liabilities and not the health & welfare
of
others?- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Just like Harry! You'd better get yourself into your hermetically
sealed room so no danger can come about......
What an idiot!
You DO realize that a tire can catastrophically blow because of any
NUMBER of reasons besides a plug or patch, don't you? SO, YOU are
putting your family at risk every time you drive, even if it's a brand
new tire. I've seen it all. Bead rip off of a tire. Hit something like
a the piece of sheet steel I was talking about earlier. Tread
seperation (the LEADING cause of catastrophic tire failure), and on
and on. Therefore, if you drive a vehicle with mass produced tires,
the exact same questions could be asked of YOU.
-------------------------------------------------------------

The potential tire problems you list are correct, but does it make sense
to
exacerbate the problem with a plug or patch in the side wall?- Hide quoted
text -

- Show quoted text -

No more than you'd want to exacerbate the problem of the #1 reason for
catastrophic failure, tread seperation, by overloading, overheating,
under/over inflation, etc. If you subscribe to what you are saying
above, then you'd sure buy a lot of tires. Every time you see a
blemish, a piece of tread torn a little from a pebble, and on and
on......

==================================

I don't overload and I watch the tire inflation. *The rest of your
*reasoning* doesn't make sense.
I do not intentionally do something to the tires that can cause a problem..- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

And what do you do about tire seperation? That is the single most
reason for catastrophic tire failure.
Do you make sure that you don't drive on a surface that may have a
pothole, a failed bridge expansion joint, etc.? These are culprits,
too!

Raining like crazy here.....
 

On Mar 26, 2:33*pm, Tim wrote:
On Mar 26, 8:29*am, wrote:





On Mar 26, 10:07*am, Tim wrote:

On Mar 24, 6:48*pm, Tim wrote:

huge front rolling in. It may rain for a couple days... *ugh* just
when it was starting to feel nice, too. Looks like "April showers" are
coming a bit soon.

Oh well.....

That's strange. The weather radars said there was going to be heavy
rain for the next two days, but it had quit about midnight, and
yesterday was sunny, then coudy and windy, then cleared off in the
evening. Today it's absolutly beautiful outside. No clouds, and no
heavy, lingering *jet vapor trails.

odd.

It's raining hard here, going to today, tomorrow and Saturday. Oh, and
Harry will like this, because of recent rains, and the lake being
down, the addition of good aerated water to Lanier has made the water
quality better than it's been in 15 years!!

Good! I'd say that with combinations ofvarious factors it's making an
improvement. Like when it was way low, it's possible that a lot of
oxygen sucking algae was killed off. So, I can see that would be an
improvement.

When ithe water was really low in several places it looked to me like
you could walk way out into the lake. Did anybody clean out any of the
old refrigerators, and boat motors off the bottom?- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

It was actually quite deep still. The lake is in a mountainous area
and the ravines it fills are deep.

Raining like crazy here.....
 

On Mar 26, 2:36*pm, HK wrote:
Tim wrote:
On Mar 26, 8:29 am, wrote:
On Mar 26, 10:07 am, Tim wrote:

On Mar 24, 6:48 pm, Tim wrote:
huge front rolling in. It may rain for a couple days... *ugh* just
when it was starting to feel nice, too. Looks like "April showers" are
coming a bit soon.
Oh well.....
That's strange. The weather radars said there was going to be heavy
rain for the next two days, but it had quit about midnight, and
yesterday was sunny, then coudy and windy, then cleared off in the
evening. Today it's absolutly beautiful outside. No clouds, and no
heavy, lingering *jet vapor trails.
odd.
It's raining hard here, going to today, tomorrow and Saturday. Oh, and
Harry will like this, because of recent rains, and the lake being
down, the addition of good aerated water to Lanier has made the water
quality better than it's been in 15 years!!

Good! I'd say that with combinations ofvarious factors it's making an
improvement. Like when it was way low, it's possible that a lot of
oxygen sucking algae was killed off. So, I can see that would be an
improvement.

When ithe water was really low in several places it looked to me like
you could walk way out into the lake. Did anybody clean out any of the
old refrigerators, and boat motors off the bottom?

And the bodies.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

What bodies Harry? Unlike that cesspool you live close to, Lanier is a
clean lake.

Raining like crazy here.....
 

On Mar 26, 12:36*pm, HK wrote:
Tim wrote:
On Mar 26, 8:29 am, wrote:
On Mar 26, 10:07 am, Tim wrote:

On Mar 24, 6:48 pm, Tim wrote:
huge front rolling in. It may rain for a couple days... *ugh* just
when it was starting to feel nice, too. Looks like "April showers" are
coming a bit soon.
Oh well.....
That's strange. The weather radars said there was going to be heavy
rain for the next two days, but it had quit about midnight, and
yesterday was sunny, then coudy and windy, then cleared off in the
evening. Today it's absolutly beautiful outside. No clouds, and no
heavy, lingering *jet vapor trails.
odd.
It's raining hard here, going to today, tomorrow and Saturday. Oh, and
Harry will like this, because of recent rains, and the lake being
down, the addition of good aerated water to Lanier has made the water
quality better than it's been in 15 years!!

Good! I'd say that with combinations ofvarious factors it's making an
improvement. Like when it was way low, it's possible that a lot of
oxygen sucking algae was killed off. So, I can see that would be an
improvement.

When ithe water was really low in several places it looked to me like
you could walk way out into the lake. Did anybody clean out any of the
old refrigerators, and boat motors off the bottom?

And the bodies.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

LOL!

I thought that's what the catfish and snapper turtles wer for....

Raining like crazy here.....
 

On Mar 26, 12:53*pm, wrote:
On Mar 26, 2:33*pm, Tim wrote:





On Mar 26, 8:29*am, wrote:

On Mar 26, 10:07*am, Tim wrote:

On Mar 24, 6:48*pm, Tim wrote:

huge front rolling in. It may rain for a couple days... *ugh* just
when it was starting to feel nice, too. Looks like "April showers" are
coming a bit soon.

Oh well.....

That's strange. The weather radars said there was going to be heavy
rain for the next two days, but it had quit about midnight, and
yesterday was sunny, then coudy and windy, then cleared off in the
evening. Today it's absolutly beautiful outside. No clouds, and no
heavy, lingering *jet vapor trails.

odd.

It's raining hard here, going to today, tomorrow and Saturday. Oh, and
Harry will like this, because of recent rains, and the lake being
down, the addition of good aerated water to Lanier has made the water
quality better than it's been in 15 years!!

Good! I'd say that with combinations ofvarious factors it's making an
improvement. Like when it was way low, it's possible that a lot of
oxygen sucking algae was killed off. So, I can see that would be an
improvement.

When ithe water was really low in several places it looked to me like
you could walk way out into the lake. Did anybody clean out any of the
old refrigerators, and boat motors off the bottom?- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

It was actually quite deep still. The lake is in a mountainous area
and the ravines it fills are deep.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

True, but fromt he pics I saw from last year where it looked like yoyu
could walk out into the lake some 30 or maybe 40 feet + from where the
normal water level was, I figguhed it could have taken care of a lot
of the underlying growth ( and moss) that hung around where sunlight
could have hit it. and helped rixd the lake of some vegitation.

Of course I'm no marine botanist but that's how I see it.

Raining like crazy here.....
 

On Mar 26, 2009, wrote:

When ithe water was really low in several places it looked to me like
you could walk way out into the lake. Did anybody clean out any of the
old refrigerators, and boat motors off the bottom?- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

It was actually quite deep still. The lake is in a mountainous area
and the ravines it fills are deep.

Some lake. The water is so low its 500 feet deep 30 feet wide and 5 miles
long.

Of course lame-ass doesn't know that because he doesn't ever go boating. He
just comes here to talk ****.

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On Mar 26, 1:08 pm, "D.Duck" wrote:
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On Mar 26, 10:45 am, "D.Duck" wrote:





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On Mar 26, 9:03 am, "Don White" wrote:

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On Mar 25, 3:10 pm, HK wrote:

Eisboch wrote:

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I've been plugging my own tires (yes, steel belt radials) since I
can
remember. I've NEVER had one fail. And that myth about not using
them
in sidewalls? I had a puncture in the sidewall of my Jeep tire,
plugged it, ran it for 25,000 miles. It never failed, the tire
tread
wore out.

-----------------------------------

I'd say you were lucky.

Using a plug in the tread section of a tire is not a big deal
because
the failure mode, (if it fails) is typically a slow leak that is
noticeable.

The problem with using them in the sidewall isn't associated with
the
plug. It's the risk that the damage to the sidewall of the tire
itself
(from the original cut or hole) compromises the sidewall strength
of
the
tire. The failure mode is likely to be a sudden and catastrophic
blowout and immediate deflation. Not something you want to happen
tooling down the highway at 65 mph. Tends to send vehicles end
over
end.

Reputable garages will refuse to even attempt to fix a tire with
sidewall damage.

Eisboch

Just about every legit site on auto repair and tire repair tells
readers
NOT to plug sidewalls.

I'd nominate Loogy for a Darwin Award, but he'd probably put it on
his
mantel and point to it with pride.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Psssst, idiot alert!
I've plugged more tires than you've ever seen.
Also, notice that I said that if I owned and operated a repair shop, I
wouldn't do it. It's a liability issue. I wouldn't plug a tire PERIOD
if I had liability. No matter where, technically a plug is a temporary
fix.

************************************************** *****************************

mmm....... ifyou feel that way..what about your family...driving in
that
old
Jeep with the sidewall plug.
How about the other innocent motorists you might run into after losing
control of your vehicle during a blowout.
Do you only care for financial liabilities and not the health &
welfare
of
others?- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Just like Harry! You'd better get yourself into your hermetically
sealed room so no danger can come about......
What an idiot!
You DO realize that a tire can catastrophically blow because of any
NUMBER of reasons besides a plug or patch, don't you? SO, YOU are
putting your family at risk every time you drive, even if it's a brand
new tire. I've seen it all. Bead rip off of a tire. Hit something like
a the piece of sheet steel I was talking about earlier. Tread
seperation (the LEADING cause of catastrophic tire failure), and on
and on. Therefore, if you drive a vehicle with mass produced tires,
the exact same questions could be asked of YOU.
-------------------------------------------------------------

The potential tire problems you list are correct, but does it make sense
to
exacerbate the problem with a plug or patch in the side wall?- Hide
quoted
text -

- Show quoted text -

No more than you'd want to exacerbate the problem of the #1 reason for
catastrophic failure, tread seperation, by overloading, overheating,
under/over inflation, etc. If you subscribe to what you are saying
above, then you'd sure buy a lot of tires. Every time you see a
blemish, a piece of tread torn a little from a pebble, and on and
on......

==================================

I don't overload and I watch the tire inflation. The rest of your
*reasoning* doesn't make sense.
I do not intentionally do something to the tires that can cause a
problem.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

And what do you do about tire seperation? That is the single most
reason for catastrophic tire failure.
Do you make sure that you don't drive on a surface that may have a
pothole, a failed bridge expansion joint, etc.? These are culprits,
too!

==================================

You win.....

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Tire plugs (was rain)
 

"akheel" wrote in message
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Did it ever occur to you that the reason sidewall patches are not a major
cause of blowouts, is because nobody but you does them?

Not to beat a dead horse about this subject but an accident that occurs due
to a blowout of a "repaired" tire with sidewall damage may void your
insurance coverage for vehicle damage and injury to yourself or others.

Eisboch

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On Fri, 27 Mar 2009 05:59:24 -0400, "Eisboch"
wrote:


"akheel" wrote in message
...


Did it ever occur to you that the reason sidewall patches are not a major
cause of blowouts, is because nobody but you does them?

Not to beat a dead horse about this subject but an accident that occurs due
to a blowout of a "repaired" tire with sidewall damage may void your
insurance coverage for vehicle damage and injury to yourself or others.

Eisboch

Might expose you to criminal liability as well.

Tire plugs (was rain)
 

Tire plugs (was rain)
 

"Eisboch" wrote in
:


"akheel" wrote in message
...


Did it ever occur to you that the reason sidewall patches are not a
major cause of blowouts, is because nobody but you does them?

Not to beat a dead horse about this subject but an accident that
occurs due to a blowout of a "repaired" tire with sidewall damage may
void your insurance coverage for vehicle damage and injury to yourself
or others.

Eisboch


Sorry, that's not correct, unless you policy has a specific exclusion for
that act. Insurance covers stupidity (legally called "negligence").
That's what it's for. What it doesn't cover is trying to inflict injury
on purpose, or so doing something so stupid as injury is the inevitable
result, even if the injury wasn't intended (no officer, I wasn't trying
to hit those pedistrians as I drove down the sidewalk as a shortcut). The
way they cover the risk is to try to determine the dummies up front (poor
driving record, teenager etc.). They charge those people higher premiums,
and on average, even with a few payouts, they usually make out well. And
even if they misjudge you upfront, they get you in the end by raising
your premium if you cause an accident.

Tire plugs (was rain)
 

On Sat, 28 Mar 2009 10:01:56 GMT, akheel
wrote:

"Eisboch" wrote in
:


"akheel" wrote in message
...


Did it ever occur to you that the reason sidewall patches are not a
major cause of blowouts, is because nobody but you does them?

Not to beat a dead horse about this subject but an accident that
occurs due to a blowout of a "repaired" tire with sidewall damage may
void your insurance coverage for vehicle damage and injury to yourself
or others.

Eisboch


Sorry, that's not correct, unless you policy has a specific exclusion for
that act. Insurance covers stupidity (legally called "negligence").
That's what it's for. What it doesn't cover is trying to inflict injury
on purpose, or so doing something so stupid as injury is the inevitable
result, even if the injury wasn't intended (no officer, I wasn't trying
to hit those pedistrians as I drove down the sidewalk as a shortcut). The
way they cover the risk is to try to determine the dummies up front (poor
driving record, teenager etc.). They charge those people higher premiums,
and on average, even with a few payouts, they usually make out well. And
even if they misjudge you upfront, they get you in the end by raising
your premium if you cause an accident.

Guess again!

Tire plugs (was rain)
 

"akheel" wrote in message
...
"Eisboch" wrote in
:


"akheel" wrote in message
...


Did it ever occur to you that the reason sidewall patches are not a
major cause of blowouts, is because nobody but you does them?

Not to beat a dead horse about this subject but an accident that
occurs due to a blowout of a "repaired" tire with sidewall damage may
void your insurance coverage for vehicle damage and injury to yourself
or others.

Eisboch


Sorry, that's not correct, unless you policy has a specific exclusion for
that act. Insurance covers stupidity (legally called "negligence").
That's what it's for. What it doesn't cover is trying to inflict injury
on purpose, or so doing something so stupid as injury is the inevitable
result, even if the injury wasn't intended (no officer, I wasn't trying
to hit those pedistrians as I drove down the sidewalk as a shortcut). The
way they cover the risk is to try to determine the dummies up front (poor
driving record, teenager etc.). They charge those people higher premiums,
and on average, even with a few payouts, they usually make out well. And
even if they misjudge you upfront, they get you in the end by raising
your premium if you cause an accident.


That may be your take, but if you take the time to check this out I think
you will find you are in error. I did check.

Contrary to your statement, insurance isn't designed to protect stupidity or
negligence (thankfully). It's designed to provide financial protection in
the event of an accident. Knowingly and willfully driving with a damaged
and repaired tire against virtually all tire manufacturer's or industry
repair facility policies isn't an accident. It's stupidity.

Eisboch

Tire plugs (was rain)
 

On Sun, 29 Mar 2009 01:34:31 GMT, akheel
wrote:

"Eisboch" wrote in
m:


"akheel" wrote in message
...
"Eisboch" wrote in
:


"akheel" wrote in message
...


Did it ever occur to you that the reason sidewall patches are not a
major cause of blowouts, is because nobody but you does them?

Not to beat a dead horse about this subject but an accident that
occurs due to a blowout of a "repaired" tire with sidewall damage
may void your insurance coverage for vehicle damage and injury to
yourself or others.

Eisboch


Sorry, that's not correct, unless you policy has a specific exclusion
for that act. Insurance covers stupidity (legally called
"negligence"). That's what it's for. What it doesn't cover is trying
to inflict injury on purpose, or so doing something so stupid as
injury is the inevitable result, even if the injury wasn't intended
(no officer, I wasn't trying to hit those pedistrians as I drove down
the sidewalk as a shortcut). The way they cover the risk is to try to
determine the dummies up front (poor driving record, teenager etc.).
They charge those people higher premiums, and on average, even with a
few payouts, they usually make out well. And even if they misjudge
you upfront, they get you in the end by raising your premium if you
cause an accident.


That may be your take, but if you take the time to check this out I
think you will find you are in error. I did check.

Contrary to your statement, insurance isn't designed to protect
stupidity or negligence (thankfully). It's designed to provide
financial protection in the event of an accident. Knowingly and
willfully driving with a damaged and repaired tire against virtually
all tire manufacturer's or industry repair facility policies isn't an
accident. It's stupidity.

Eisboch



Prove it. Point out one case where 3rd pary liability insurance coverage
was denied due to the negligence of the insured and not based on a
specific exclusion in the policy. Your statements reflects what are
unfortunately widespread, but misinformed beliefs about insurance that
pop on this board about once a year. I don't mean any insult to you, but
I want to stop the spread of misinformation. Part of the problem is
confusion between property coverage (which covers my stuff) and liability
coverage (which covers me if I hurt somebody else's person or property);
Property coverage often has exclusions for things arising out of my own
negligence. On the flip side, liability insurance only covers you when
you are negligent, or somebody claims you were. No negligence, no
liability. By DEFINITION, I can only be liable to you in an accident, if
I was negligent, i.e. did something I wasn't supposed to do, and that's
why my liability insuranc will cover me. I'll put my law degree up
against yours any day.

Criminal Negligence.

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"Eisboch" wrote in
:


"akheel" wrote in message
...
"Eisboch" wrote in
:


"akheel" wrote in message
...


Did it ever occur to you that the reason sidewall patches are not a
major cause of blowouts, is because nobody but you does them?

Not to beat a dead horse about this subject but an accident that
occurs due to a blowout of a "repaired" tire with sidewall damage
may void your insurance coverage for vehicle damage and injury to
yourself or others.

Eisboch


Sorry, that's not correct, unless you policy has a specific exclusion
for that act. Insurance covers stupidity (legally called
"negligence"). That's what it's for. What it doesn't cover is trying
to inflict injury on purpose, or so doing something so stupid as
injury is the inevitable result, even if the injury wasn't intended
(no officer, I wasn't trying to hit those pedistrians as I drove down
the sidewalk as a shortcut). The way they cover the risk is to try to
determine the dummies up front (poor driving record, teenager etc.).
They charge those people higher premiums, and on average, even with a
few payouts, they usually make out well. And even if they misjudge
you upfront, they get you in the end by raising your premium if you
cause an accident.


That may be your take, but if you take the time to check this out I
think you will find you are in error. I did check.

Contrary to your statement, insurance isn't designed to protect
stupidity or negligence (thankfully). It's designed to provide
financial protection in the event of an accident. Knowingly and
willfully driving with a damaged and repaired tire against virtually
all tire manufacturer's or industry repair facility policies isn't an
accident. It's stupidity.

Eisboch



Prove it. Point out one case where 3rd pary liability insurance coverage
was denied due to the negligence of the insured and not based on a
specific exclusion in the policy. Your statements reflects what are
unfortunately widespread, but misinformed beliefs about insurance that
pop on this board about once a year. I don't mean any insult to you, but
I want to stop the spread of misinformation. Part of the problem is
confusion between property coverage (which covers my stuff) and liability
coverage (which covers me if I hurt somebody else's person or property);
Property coverage often has exclusions for things arising out of my own
negligence. On the flip side, liability insurance only covers you when
you are negligent, or somebody claims you were. No negligence, no
liability. By DEFINITION, I can only be liable to you in an accident, if
I was negligent, i.e. did something I wasn't supposed to do, and that's
why my liability insuranc will cover me. I'll put my law degree up
against yours any day.

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On Sat, 28 Mar 2009 21:39:48 -0400, wrote:

Criminal Negligence.

Many automobile liability claims arise out of criminally negligent
behavior such as DUI or reckless driving. The insurance still pays.

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"Wayne.B" wrote in message
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On Sat, 28 Mar 2009 21:39:48 -0400, wrote:

Criminal Negligence.

Many automobile liability claims arise out of criminally negligent
behavior such as DUI or reckless driving. The insurance still pays.



A short Google revealed several cases where insurance companies refused
payment of benefits due to faulty equipment either as supplied by the
manufacturer or serious faults or repairs needed that are known by the
vehicle operator/owner.

Our law expert is citing law, not insurance company policies which will vary
from company to company. It doesn't mean, as he suggested, that the
insurance company will prevail in a lawsuit for payment, but in some cases
it may take that to get them to pay up. If he's really a lawyer, he knows
that.

Eisboch

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On Sun, 29 Mar 2009 02:07:19 -0400, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Sat, 28 Mar 2009 21:39:48 -0400, wrote:

Criminal Negligence.

Many automobile liability claims arise out of criminally negligent
behavior such as DUI or reckless driving. The insurance still pays.

You'll have to look a little deeper, Wayne. Does your homeowners
insurance cover you if you burn down your house?

Tire plugs (was rain)
 

On Sun, 29 Mar 2009 06:38:10 -0400, "Eisboch"
wrote:


"Wayne.B" wrote in message
.. .
On Sat, 28 Mar 2009 21:39:48 -0400, wrote:

Criminal Negligence.

Many automobile liability claims arise out of criminally negligent
behavior such as DUI or reckless driving. The insurance still pays.



A short Google revealed several cases where insurance companies refused
payment of benefits due to faulty equipment either as supplied by the
manufacturer or serious faults or repairs needed that are known by the
vehicle operator/owner.

Our law expert is citing law, not insurance company policies which will vary
from company to company. It doesn't mean, as he suggested, that the
insurance company will prevail in a lawsuit for payment, but in some cases
it may take that to get them to pay up. If he's really a lawyer, he knows
that.

Eisboch

You can be pretty certain he's not a lawyer.

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Tire plugs (was rain)
 

On Sun, 29 Mar 2009 09:18:03 -0400, wrote:

You'll have to look a little deeper, Wayne. Does your homeowners
insurance cover you if you burn down your house?

I believe there is some interesting case law regarding that situation,
and it is quite a different situation than driving with a tire defect.
If you try to collect on self inflicted arson it is insurance fraud
which is a separate crime.

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On Mar 29, 9:34*am, HK wrote:
wrote:
On Sun, 29 Mar 2009 06:38:10 -0400, "Eisboch"
wrote:

"Wayne.B" wrote in message
. ..
On Sat, 28 Mar 2009 21:39:48 -0400, wrote:

Criminal Negligence.
Many automobile liability claims arise out of criminally negligent
behavior such as DUI or reckless driving. * The insurance still pays.

A short Google revealed several cases where insurance companies refused
payment of benefits due to faulty equipment either as supplied by the
manufacturer or serious faults or repairs needed that are known by the
vehicle operator/owner.

Our law expert is citing law, not insurance company policies which will vary
from company to company. * It doesn't mean, as he suggested, that the
insurance company will prevail in a lawsuit for payment, but in some cases
it may take that to get them to pay up. * If he's really a lawyer, he knows
that.

Eisboch

You can be pretty certain he's not a lawyer.

Didn't this start with Loogy the Idiot bragging on how he plugged the
sidewalls of tires? *That* should have been the end of it, right there.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

You don't comprehend what you've read very well, do you? I made a
simple and truthful statement, something you don't do. I have plugged
sidewalls. I have never, ever seen a catastrophic failure because of
it. The number one cause of catastrophic tire failure is tread
seperation that can be the product of several reasons. Again, unlike
you, these are truthful statements.

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wrote in message
...
On Mar 29, 9:34 am, HK wrote:
wrote:
On Sun, 29 Mar 2009 06:38:10 -0400, "Eisboch"
wrote:

"Wayne.B" wrote in message
. ..
On Sat, 28 Mar 2009 21:39:48 -0400, wrote:

Criminal Negligence.
Many automobile liability claims arise out of criminally negligent
behavior such as DUI or reckless driving. The insurance still pays.

A short Google revealed several cases where insurance companies refused
payment of benefits due to faulty equipment either as supplied by the
manufacturer or serious faults or repairs needed that are known by the
vehicle operator/owner.

Our law expert is citing law, not insurance company policies which will
vary
from company to company. It doesn't mean, as he suggested, that the
insurance company will prevail in a lawsuit for payment, but in some
cases
it may take that to get them to pay up. If he's really a lawyer, he
knows
that.

Eisboch

You can be pretty certain he's not a lawyer.

Didn't this start with Loogy the Idiot bragging on how he plugged the
sidewalls of tires? *That* should have been the end of it, right there.-
Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

You don't comprehend what you've read very well, do you? I made a
simple and truthful statement, something you don't do. I have plugged
sidewalls. I have never, ever seen a catastrophic failure because of
it. The number one cause of catastrophic tire failure is tread
seperation that can be the product of several reasons. Again, unlike
you, these are truthful statements.

====================================

Not may failures due to side wall patching because not many people do that.

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D.Duck wrote:
wrote in message
...
On Mar 29, 9:34 am, HK wrote:
wrote:
On Sun, 29 Mar 2009 06:38:10 -0400, "Eisboch"
wrote:
"Wayne.B" wrote in message
...
On Sat, 28 Mar 2009 21:39:48 -0400, wrote:
Criminal Negligence.
Many automobile liability claims arise out of criminally negligent
behavior such as DUI or reckless driving. The insurance still pays.
A short Google revealed several cases where insurance companies refused
payment of benefits due to faulty equipment either as supplied by the
manufacturer or serious faults or repairs needed that are known by the
vehicle operator/owner.
Our law expert is citing law, not insurance company policies which will
vary
from company to company. It doesn't mean, as he suggested, that the
insurance company will prevail in a lawsuit for payment, but in some
cases
it may take that to get them to pay up. If he's really a lawyer, he
knows
that.
Eisboch
You can be pretty certain he's not a lawyer.
Didn't this start with Loogy the Idiot bragging on how he plugged the
sidewalls of tires? *That* should have been the end of it, right there.-
Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

You don't comprehend what you've read very well, do you? I made a
simple and truthful statement, something you don't do. I have plugged
sidewalls. I have never, ever seen a catastrophic failure because of
it. The number one cause of catastrophic tire failure is tread
seperation that can be the product of several reasons. Again, unlike
you, these are truthful statements.

====================================

Not may failures due to side wall patching because not many people do that.




Apparently someone sidewall patched Loogy's brain cavity, but all the
hot air in that cavity heated up, expanded and blew out the sidewall
patch...again.


Hard to believe after all this time, the little twerp is still
addressing posts to me. If someone whose posts I read reposts them, I
see the occasional word from loogy. If not, well, they go to the bit
bucket in the sky.

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On Mar 29, 11:13*am, "D.Duck" wrote:
wrote in message

...
On Mar 29, 9:34 am, HK wrote:





wrote:
On Sun, 29 Mar 2009 06:38:10 -0400, "Eisboch"
wrote:

"Wayne.B" wrote in message
. ..
On Sat, 28 Mar 2009 21:39:48 -0400, wrote:

Criminal Negligence.
Many automobile liability claims arise out of criminally negligent
behavior such as DUI or reckless driving. The insurance still pays.

A short Google revealed several cases where insurance companies refused
payment of benefits due to faulty equipment either as supplied by the
manufacturer or serious faults or repairs needed that are known by the
vehicle operator/owner.

Our law expert is citing law, not insurance company policies which will
vary
from company to company. It doesn't mean, as he suggested, that the
insurance company will prevail in a lawsuit for payment, but in some
cases
it may take that to get them to pay up. If he's really a lawyer, he
knows
that.

Eisboch

You can be pretty certain he's not a lawyer.

Didn't this start with Loogy the Idiot bragging on how he plugged the
sidewalls of tires? *That* should have been the end of it, right there.-
Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

You don't comprehend what you've read very well, do you? I made a
simple and truthful statement, something you don't do. I have plugged
sidewalls. I have never, ever seen a catastrophic failure because of
it. The number one cause of catastrophic tire failure is tread
seperation that can be the product of several reasons. Again, unlike
you, these are truthful statements.

====================================

Not may failures due to side wall patching because not many people do that.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Bull****.

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On Sun, 29 Mar 2009 09:46:36 -0400, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Sun, 29 Mar 2009 09:18:03 -0400, wrote:

You'll have to look a little deeper, Wayne. Does your homeowners
insurance cover you if you burn down your house?

I believe there is some interesting case law regarding that situation,
and it is quite a different situation than driving with a tire defect.

We are talking about putting a plug in a sidewall, Wayne. Closer to
handing a loaded gun to a toddler.

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On Sun, 29 Mar 2009 09:15:41 -0700 (PDT), wrote:

On Mar 29, 11:13*am, "D.Duck" wrote:
wrote in message

...
On Mar 29, 9:34 am, HK wrote:





wrote:
On Sun, 29 Mar 2009 06:38:10 -0400, "Eisboch"
wrote:

"Wayne.B" wrote in message
. ..
On Sat, 28 Mar 2009 21:39:48 -0400, wrote:

Criminal Negligence.
Many automobile liability claims arise out of criminally negligent
behavior such as DUI or reckless driving. The insurance still pays.

A short Google revealed several cases where insurance companies refused
payment of benefits due to faulty equipment either as supplied by the
manufacturer or serious faults or repairs needed that are known by the
vehicle operator/owner.

Our law expert is citing law, not insurance company policies which will
vary
from company to company. It doesn't mean, as he suggested, that the
insurance company will prevail in a lawsuit for payment, but in some
cases
it may take that to get them to pay up. If he's really a lawyer, he
knows
that.

Eisboch

You can be pretty certain he's not a lawyer.

Didn't this start with Loogy the Idiot bragging on how he plugged the
sidewalls of tires? *That* should have been the end of it, right there.-
Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

You don't comprehend what you've read very well, do you? I made a
simple and truthful statement, something you don't do. I have plugged
sidewalls. I have never, ever seen a catastrophic failure because of
it. The number one cause of catastrophic tire failure is tread
seperation that can be the product of several reasons. Again, unlike
you, these are truthful statements.

====================================

Not may failures due to side wall patching because not many people do that.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Bull****.

We don't care what you ate for breakfast.

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On Mar 29, 12:25*pm, wrote:
On Sun, 29 Mar 2009 09:15:41 -0700 (PDT), wrote:
On Mar 29, 11:13*am, "D.Duck" wrote:
wrote in message

....
On Mar 29, 9:34 am, HK wrote:

wrote:
On Sun, 29 Mar 2009 06:38:10 -0400, "Eisboch"
wrote:

"Wayne.B" wrote in message
. ..
On Sat, 28 Mar 2009 21:39:48 -0400, wrote:

Criminal Negligence.
Many automobile liability claims arise out of criminally negligent
behavior such as DUI or reckless driving. The insurance still pays.

A short Google revealed several cases where insurance companies refused
payment of benefits due to faulty equipment either as supplied by the
manufacturer or serious faults or repairs needed that are known by the
vehicle operator/owner.

Our law expert is citing law, not insurance company policies which will
vary
from company to company. It doesn't mean, as he suggested, that the
insurance company will prevail in a lawsuit for payment, but in some
cases
it may take that to get them to pay up. If he's really a lawyer, he
knows
that.

Eisboch

You can be pretty certain he's not a lawyer.

Didn't this start with Loogy the Idiot bragging on how he plugged the
sidewalls of tires? *That* should have been the end of it, right there.-
Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

You don't comprehend what you've read very well, do you? I made a
simple and truthful statement, something you don't do. I have plugged
sidewalls. I have never, ever seen a catastrophic failure because of
it. The number one cause of catastrophic tire failure is tread
seperation that can be the product of several reasons. Again, unlike
you, these are truthful statements.

====================================

Not may failures due to side wall patching because not many people do that.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Bull****.

We don't care what you ate for breakfast.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Then why reply? And who is "we"?

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wrote in message
...
On Mar 29, 11:13 am, "D.Duck" wrote:
wrote in message

...
On Mar 29, 9:34 am, HK wrote:





wrote:
On Sun, 29 Mar 2009 06:38:10 -0400, "Eisboch"
wrote:

"Wayne.B" wrote in message
. ..
On Sat, 28 Mar 2009 21:39:48 -0400, wrote:

Criminal Negligence.
Many automobile liability claims arise out of criminally negligent
behavior such as DUI or reckless driving. The insurance still pays.

A short Google revealed several cases where insurance companies
refused
payment of benefits due to faulty equipment either as supplied by the
manufacturer or serious faults or repairs needed that are known by
the
vehicle operator/owner.

Our law expert is citing law, not insurance company policies which
will
vary
from company to company. It doesn't mean, as he suggested, that the
insurance company will prevail in a lawsuit for payment, but in some
cases
it may take that to get them to pay up. If he's really a lawyer, he
knows
that.

Eisboch

You can be pretty certain he's not a lawyer.

Didn't this start with Loogy the Idiot bragging on how he plugged the
sidewalls of tires? *That* should have been the end of it, right there.-
Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

You don't comprehend what you've read very well, do you? I made a
simple and truthful statement, something you don't do. I have plugged
sidewalls. I have never, ever seen a catastrophic failure because of
it. The number one cause of catastrophic tire failure is tread
seperation that can be the product of several reasons. Again, unlike
you, these are truthful statements.

====================================

Not may failures due to side wall patching because not many people do
that.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Bull****.

=================================================

Come on now, this is a family group.

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On Sun, 29 Mar 2009 09:53:47 -0700 (PDT), wrote:

On Mar 29, 12:25*pm, wrote:
On Sun, 29 Mar 2009 09:15:41 -0700 (PDT), wrote:
On Mar 29, 11:13*am, "D.Duck" wrote:
wrote in message

...
On Mar 29, 9:34 am, HK wrote:

wrote:
On Sun, 29 Mar 2009 06:38:10 -0400, "Eisboch"
wrote:

"Wayne.B" wrote in message
. ..
On Sat, 28 Mar 2009 21:39:48 -0400, wrote:

Criminal Negligence.
Many automobile liability claims arise out of criminally negligent
behavior such as DUI or reckless driving. The insurance still pays.

A short Google revealed several cases where insurance companies refused
payment of benefits due to faulty equipment either as supplied by the
manufacturer or serious faults or repairs needed that are known by the
vehicle operator/owner.

Our law expert is citing law, not insurance company policies which will
vary
from company to company. It doesn't mean, as he suggested, that the
insurance company will prevail in a lawsuit for payment, but in some
cases
it may take that to get them to pay up. If he's really a lawyer, he
knows
that.

Eisboch

You can be pretty certain he's not a lawyer.

Didn't this start with Loogy the Idiot bragging on how he plugged the
sidewalls of tires? *That* should have been the end of it, right there.-
Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

You don't comprehend what you've read very well, do you? I made a
simple and truthful statement, something you don't do. I have plugged
sidewalls. I have never, ever seen a catastrophic failure because of
it. The number one cause of catastrophic tire failure is tread
seperation that can be the product of several reasons. Again, unlike
you, these are truthful statements.

====================================

Not may failures due to side wall patching because not many people do that.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Bull****.

We don't care what you ate for breakfast.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

And who is "we"?

The spooky voices in your head.

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"Eisboch" wrote in
:


"Wayne.B" wrote in message
...
On Sat, 28 Mar 2009 21:39:48 -0400, wrote:

Criminal Negligence.

Many automobile liability claims arise out of criminally negligent
behavior such as DUI or reckless driving. The insurance still pays.



A short Google revealed several cases where insurance companies
refused payment of benefits due to faulty equipment either as supplied
by the manufacturer or serious faults or repairs needed that are known
by the vehicle operator/owner.

Our law expert is citing law, not insurance company policies which
will vary from company to company. It doesn't mean, as he suggested,
that the insurance company will prevail in a lawsuit for payment, but
in some cases it may take that to get them to pay up. If he's really
a lawyer, he knows that.

Eisboch


I do agree that insurance companies often manufacture reasons not to pay
and it can be a pain to get what you contracted for. Maybe it's because
I've made a few bucks suing them when they don't pay that I look it at
from a different perspective. Don't get me wrong, I think patching a
side-wall is penny-wise-pound foolishness and only an idiot would rely
on insurance to cure the problem. Insurance doesn't bring back the dead.

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On Mon, 30 Mar 2009 05:55:40 GMT, akheel
wrote:

wrote in :

On Sun, 29 Mar 2009 06:38:10 -0400, "Eisboch"
wrote:


"Wayne.B" wrote in message
...
On Sat, 28 Mar 2009 21:39:48 -0400, wrote:

Criminal Negligence.

Many automobile liability claims arise out of criminally negligent
behavior such as DUI or reckless driving. The insurance still
pays.



A short Google revealed several cases where insurance companies
refused payment of benefits due to faulty equipment either as supplied
by the manufacturer or serious faults or repairs needed that are known
by the vehicle operator/owner.

Our law expert is citing law, not insurance company policies which
will vary from company to company. It doesn't mean, as he suggested,
that the insurance company will prevail in a lawsuit for payment, but
in some cases it may take that to get them to pay up. If he's really
a lawyer, he knows that.

Eisboch

You can be pretty certain he's not a lawyer.


I usually don't get involved in flame wars, but you're just wrong.

Highly doubful that I'm wrong. In usenet, the least credible way to
win an argument already in progress is to start throwing around
credentials. Only someone lacking real credentials tries that tactic,
because it's just so lame. To come out of the chute boasting about
your alleged law degree, you immediately lost the argument and labeled
yourself as a fool.

Your next move will no doubt be to tell us about cases you have won
against insurance companies, or the work you did for the NHTSB.

I hope you claim to have won cases against insurance companies, as
that will only reinforce the point that insurance may not pay. If
someone had to hire a lawyer and go to court in order to get paid,
then what Eisboch said is borne out.

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