wf3h wrote:
On Mar 21, 3:42 pm, BAR wrote:
wf3h wrote:


While the USA is burning Obama has put incompetents in charge of the
government.-
idiot.
Great come back.

modestly prevents me from claiming credit; the source material was
rich in opportunity.

obama wasn't president when the dow dropped 50%. that was the

ultra right wing that was busily destroying unions, writing energy
policy to favor exxon and sending americans to die in war with no
purpose.
Unions have outlived their usefulness.

au contraire. the lack of unions has destroyed the US middle class.

Can you provide a definition for the middle class? The Census Bureau
doesn't define the middle class so there is no way to argue for or
against the destruction of the middle class.

it's a reason why income inequality in the US is among the greatest in
the world and wall street runs amuck with little oversight.

What is income inequality? My definition of income inequality is those
that get off there asses and work and those who are lazy *******s who
don't want to work.

There is a road construction
project going on at the end of my street. We have union labor at the
construction project. As I am driving 2 miles down this road seeing 30
guys watching 5 or 6 guys actually working I am thinking about who at my
company is going to get laid off today. Unions get no sympathy from me.

and wall street destroyed the US economy. unions had no hand in
that.

Paying a union guy 95% of his salary to sit around and do nothing is
destroying the US economy. The unions negotiating to prevent
productivity improvements in US factories didn't help the economy either.

it's the big wall street manager, the unregulated capitalist that's
outlived his usefulness.

If there is no big capitalist there there is no need for the union guy.
Unions can't exist without corporations. But, corporations can exist
without unions.

bush had 8 years to do something besides make the rich richer. he
didn't.
Why do you Democrats keep harping about the past and previous
administrations? Let's concentrate on what the current administration is
doing to destroy the country and how we can stop it.- Hide quoted text -


jesus h. christ on crutches....obama has been president for 60 days.
are you rednecks so illiterate you think eight years of fascism
mismanagement on the part of bush/cheney/exxon can be undone in 60
days? are you truly that irrational?

When you take command of the ship you are responsible for the entire ship.

Funny thing is that Obama isn't undoing many of the things that the
previous administration did. Spying on US citizens, as the left used to
rant about, is still occurring and you are not hearing the left
complaining. There are many other examples but I'm sure you have all of
your excuses lined up to deny these facts.

On Mar 21, 5:10*pm, BAR wrote:
wf3h wrote:

au contraire. the lack of unions has destroyed the US middle class.

Can you provide a definition for the middle class? The Census Bureau
doesn't define the middle class so there is no way to argue for or
against the destruction of the middle class.

the census bureau is not in charge of economics.

the middle class generally is those making between 30,000 to 100,000.


it's a reason why income inequality in the US is among the greatest in
the world and wall street runs amuck with little oversight.

What is income inequality? My definition of income inequality is those
that get off there asses and work and those who are lazy *******s who
don't want to work.

IOW you don't follow economics. you don't know the richest 1% have had
their incomes increase by over 200% in the last 10 years or so while
the middle class stagnated.

no wonder you love to **** the middle class. you dont even believe we
should be able to earn a living wage.



There is a road construction
project going on at the end of my street. We have union labor at the
construction project. As I am driving 2 miles down this road seeing 30
guys watching 5 or 6 guys actually working I am thinking about who at my
company is going to get laid off today. Unions get no sympathy from me..

and wall street destroyed the US economy. unions had no hand in
that.

Paying a union guy 95% of his salary to sit around and do nothing is
destroying the US economy. The unions negotiating to prevent
productivity improvements in US factories didn't help the economy either.

and paying 5 guys at AIG a billion dollars to drive the stock market
to 50% of its value has a siightly bigger effect on my income than the
guys working on your road do

again...you just can't think logically.



it's the big wall street manager, the unregulated capitalist that's
outlived his usefulness.

If there is no big capitalist there there is no need for the union guy.
Unions can't exist without corporations. But, corporations can exist
without unions.

yeah and kings can exist without a middle class, too. seems you think
feudalism was a great idea.


bush had 8 years to do something besides make the rich richer. he
didn't.
Why do you Democrats keep harping about the past and previous
administrations? Let's concentrate on what the current administration is
doing to destroy the country and how we can stop it.- Hide quoted text -

jesus h. christ on crutches....obama has been president for 60 days.
are you rednecks so illiterate you think eight years of fascism
mismanagement on the part of bush/cheney/exxon can be undone in 60
days? are you truly that irrational?

When you take command of the ship you are responsible for the entire ship..

and if you didn't build the ship you have to pilot it as best you can.
obama inherited a sinking ship.


Funny thing is that Obama isn't undoing many of the things that the
previous administration did. Spying on US citizens, as the left used to
rant about, is still occurring and you are not hearing the left
complaining. There are many other examples but I'm sure you have all of
your excuses lined up to deny these facts.-

you seem to think 60=2800

no wonder your view of economics is screwed up. you can't count.

On Sat, 21 Mar 2009 14:59:04 -0700 (PDT), wf3h
wrote:

On Mar 21, 5:10*pm, BAR wrote:
wf3h wrote:

au contraire. the lack of unions has destroyed the US middle class.

Can you provide a definition for the middle class? The Census Bureau
doesn't define the middle class so there is no way to argue for or
against the destruction of the middle class.

the census bureau is not in charge of economics.

the middle class generally is those making between 30,000 to 100,000.


it's a reason why income inequality in the US is among the greatest in
the world and wall street runs amuck with little oversight.

What is income inequality? My definition of income inequality is those
that get off there asses and work and those who are lazy *******s who
don't want to work.

IOW you don't follow economics. you don't know the richest 1% have had
their incomes increase by over 200% in the last 10 years or so while
the middle class stagnated.

no wonder you love to **** the middle class. you dont even believe we
should be able to earn a living wage.



There is a road construction
project going on at the end of my street. We have union labor at the
construction project. As I am driving 2 miles down this road seeing 30
guys watching 5 or 6 guys actually working I am thinking about who at my
company is going to get laid off today. Unions get no sympathy from me.

and wall street destroyed the US economy. unions had no hand in
that.

Paying a union guy 95% of his salary to sit around and do nothing is
destroying the US economy. The unions negotiating to prevent
productivity improvements in US factories didn't help the economy either.

and paying 5 guys at AIG a billion dollars to drive the stock market
to 50% of its value has a siightly bigger effect on my income than the
guys working on your road do

again...you just can't think logically.



it's the big wall street manager, the unregulated capitalist that's
outlived his usefulness.

If there is no big capitalist there there is no need for the union guy.
Unions can't exist without corporations. But, corporations can exist
without unions.

yeah and kings can exist without a middle class, too. seems you think
feudalism was a great idea.


bush had 8 years to do something besides make the rich richer. he
didn't.
Why do you Democrats keep harping about the past and previous
administrations? Let's concentrate on what the current administration is
doing to destroy the country and how we can stop it.- Hide quoted text -

jesus h. christ on crutches....obama has been president for 60 days.
are you rednecks so illiterate you think eight years of fascism
mismanagement on the part of bush/cheney/exxon can be undone in 60
days? are you truly that irrational?

When you take command of the ship you are responsible for the entire ship.

and if you didn't build the ship you have to pilot it as best you can.
obama inherited a sinking ship.

No. Obama's 'inheritance' was pretty well established in October of
last year. Now go back and see what the market has done since then.
Also, look at what it's done any day following an Obama speech.

Take the blinders off. You're almost as bad as HK.

Obama lied, the economy died.
--
John H

"The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those
who are willing to work and give to those who would not."
Thomas Jefferson

On Mar 21, 6:03*pm, John H wrote:
On Sat, 21 Mar 2009 14:59:04 -0700 (PDT), wf3h
wrote:





On Mar 21, 5:10*pm, BAR wrote:
wf3h wrote:

au contraire. the lack of unions has destroyed the US middle class.

Can you provide a definition for the middle class? The Census Bureau
doesn't define the middle class so there is no way to argue for or
against the destruction of the middle class.

the census bureau is not in charge of economics.

the middle class generally is those making between 30,000 to 100,000.

it's a reason why income inequality in the US is among the greatest in
the world and wall street runs amuck with little oversight.

What is income inequality? My definition of income inequality is those
that get off there asses and work and those who are lazy *******s who
don't want to work.

IOW you don't follow economics. you don't know the richest 1% have had
their incomes increase by over 200% in the last 10 years or so while
the middle class stagnated.

no wonder you love to **** the middle class. you dont even believe we
should be able to earn a living wage.

There is a road construction
project going on at the end of my street. We have union labor at the
construction project. As I am driving 2 miles down this road seeing 30
guys watching 5 or 6 guys actually working I am thinking about who at my
company is going to get laid off today. Unions get no sympathy from me.

and wall street destroyed the US economy. unions had no hand in
that.

Paying a union guy 95% of his salary to sit around and do nothing is
destroying the US economy. The unions negotiating to prevent
productivity improvements in US factories didn't help the economy either.

and paying 5 guys at AIG a billion dollars to drive the stock market
to 50% of its value has a siightly bigger effect on my income than the
guys working on your road do

again...you just can't think logically.

it's the big wall street manager, the unregulated capitalist that's
outlived his usefulness.

If there is no big capitalist there there is no need for the union guy..
Unions can't exist without corporations. But, corporations can exist
without unions.

yeah and kings can exist without a middle class, too. *seems you think
feudalism was a great idea.

bush had 8 years to do something besides make the rich richer. he
didn't.
Why do you Democrats keep harping about the past and previous
administrations? Let's concentrate on what the current administration is
doing to destroy the country and how we can stop it.- Hide quoted text -

jesus h. christ on crutches....obama has been president for 60 days.
are you rednecks so illiterate you think eight years of fascism
mismanagement on the part of bush/cheney/exxon can be undone in 60
days? are you truly that irrational?

When you take command of the ship you are responsible for the entire ship.

and if you didn't build the ship you have to pilot it as best you can.
obama inherited a sinking ship.

No. Obama's 'inheritance' was pretty well established in October of
last year. Now go back and see what the market has done since then.
Also, look at what it's done any day following an Obama speech.

Take the blinders off. You're almost as bad as HK.

Obama lied, the economy died.
--

you know, your economic illiteracy makes me weep for our country

i'm a physical scientist. i collect and analyze data for a living.

no scientist...none....would look at data as you propose. none. not a
single one

you do not select data to fit your preconceptions. you completely
ignore the headlong slide caused by bush's economic policies over 8
years and instead focus on a 2% history.

it's astonishing...remarkable...how deliberately stupid you can
be....you're the stupidity equivalent of a nor'easter.

no wonder the GOP got destroyed. you voted for it.

wf3h wrote:
On Mar 21, 6:03 pm, John H wrote:
On Sat, 21 Mar 2009 14:59:04 -0700 (PDT), wf3h
wrote:





On Mar 21, 5:10 pm, BAR wrote:
wf3h wrote:
au contraire. the lack of unions has destroyed the US middle class.
Can you provide a definition for the middle class? The Census Bureau
doesn't define the middle class so there is no way to argue for or
against the destruction of the middle class.
the census bureau is not in charge of economics.
the middle class generally is those making between 30,000 to 100,000.
it's a reason why income inequality in the US is among the greatest in
the world and wall street runs amuck with little oversight.
What is income inequality? My definition of income inequality is those
that get off there asses and work and those who are lazy *******s who
don't want to work.
IOW you don't follow economics. you don't know the richest 1% have had
their incomes increase by over 200% in the last 10 years or so while
the middle class stagnated.
no wonder you love to **** the middle class. you dont even believe we
should be able to earn a living wage.
There is a road construction
project going on at the end of my street. We have union labor at the
construction project. As I am driving 2 miles down this road seeing 30
guys watching 5 or 6 guys actually working I am thinking about who at my
company is going to get laid off today. Unions get no sympathy from me.
and wall street destroyed the US economy. unions had no hand in
that.
Paying a union guy 95% of his salary to sit around and do nothing is
destroying the US economy. The unions negotiating to prevent
productivity improvements in US factories didn't help the economy either.
and paying 5 guys at AIG a billion dollars to drive the stock market
to 50% of its value has a siightly bigger effect on my income than the
guys working on your road do
again...you just can't think logically.
it's the big wall street manager, the unregulated capitalist that's
outlived his usefulness.
If there is no big capitalist there there is no need for the union guy.
Unions can't exist without corporations. But, corporations can exist
without unions.
yeah and kings can exist without a middle class, too. seems you think
feudalism was a great idea.
bush had 8 years to do something besides make the rich richer. he
didn't.
Why do you Democrats keep harping about the past and previous
administrations? Let's concentrate on what the current administration is
doing to destroy the country and how we can stop it.- Hide quoted text -
jesus h. christ on crutches....obama has been president for 60 days.
are you rednecks so illiterate you think eight years of fascism
mismanagement on the part of bush/cheney/exxon can be undone in 60
days? are you truly that irrational?
When you take command of the ship you are responsible for the entire ship.
and if you didn't build the ship you have to pilot it as best you can.
obama inherited a sinking ship.
No. Obama's 'inheritance' was pretty well established in October of
last year. Now go back and see what the market has done since then.
Also, look at what it's done any day following an Obama speech.

Take the blinders off. You're almost as bad as HK.

Obama lied, the economy died.
--

you know, your economic illiteracy makes me weep for our country

i'm a physical scientist. i collect and analyze data for a living.

no scientist...none....would look at data as you propose. none. not a
single one

you do not select data to fit your preconceptions. you completely
ignore the headlong slide caused by bush's economic policies over 8
years and instead focus on a 2% history.

it's astonishing...remarkable...how deliberately stupid you can
be....you're the stupidity equivalent of a nor'easter.

no wonder the GOP got destroyed. you voted for it.


Not to worry: sarah palin is the GOP's saviour-ess, and dumb****s like
Herring and BAR and others here will vote for her.

On Mar 21, 7:02*pm, HK wrote:
wf3h wrote:
On Mar 21, 6:03 pm, John H wrote:
On Sat, 21 Mar 2009 14:59:04 -0700 (PDT), wf3h
wrote:

On Mar 21, 5:10 pm, BAR wrote:
wf3h wrote:
au contraire. the lack of unions has destroyed the US middle class.
Can you provide a definition for the middle class? The Census Bureau
doesn't define the middle class so there is no way to argue for or
against the destruction of the middle class.
the census bureau is not in charge of economics.
the middle class generally is those making between 30,000 to 100,000.
it's a reason why income inequality in the US is among the greatest in
the world and wall street runs amuck with little oversight.
What is income inequality? My definition of income inequality is those
that get off there asses and work and those who are lazy *******s who
don't want to work.
IOW you don't follow economics. you don't know the richest 1% have had
their incomes increase by over 200% in the last 10 years or so while
the middle class stagnated.
no wonder you love to **** the middle class. you dont even believe we
should be able to earn a living wage.
There is a road construction
project going on at the end of my street. We have union labor at the
construction project. As I am driving 2 miles down this road seeing 30
guys watching 5 or 6 guys actually working I am thinking about who at my
company is going to get laid off today. Unions get no sympathy from me.
and wall street destroyed the US economy. unions had no hand in
that.
Paying a union guy 95% of his salary to sit around and do nothing is
destroying the US economy. The unions negotiating to prevent
productivity improvements in US factories didn't help the economy either.
and paying 5 guys at AIG a billion dollars to drive the stock market
to 50% of its value has a siightly bigger effect on my income than the
guys working on your road do
again...you just can't think logically.
it's the big wall street manager, the unregulated capitalist that's
outlived his usefulness.
If there is no big capitalist there there is no need for the union guy.
Unions can't exist without corporations. But, corporations can exist
without unions.
yeah and kings can exist without a middle class, too. *seems you think
feudalism was a great idea.
bush had 8 years to do something besides make the rich richer. he
didn't.
Why do you Democrats keep harping about the past and previous
administrations? Let's concentrate on what the current administration is
doing to destroy the country and how we can stop it.- Hide quoted text -
jesus h. christ on crutches....obama has been president for 60 days..
are you rednecks so illiterate you think eight years of fascism
mismanagement on the part of bush/cheney/exxon can be undone in 60
days? are you truly that irrational?
When you take command of the ship you are responsible for the entire ship.
and if you didn't build the ship you have to pilot it as best you can..
obama inherited a sinking ship.
No. Obama's 'inheritance' was pretty well established in October of
last year. Now go back and see what the market has done since then.
Also, look at what it's done any day following an Obama speech.

Take the blinders off. You're almost as bad as HK.

Obama lied, the economy died.
--

you know, your economic illiteracy makes me weep for our country

i'm *a physical scientist. i collect and analyze data for a living.

no scientist...none....would look at data as you propose. none. not a
single one

you do not select data to fit your preconceptions. you completely
ignore the headlong slide caused by bush's economic policies over 8
years and instead focus on a 2% history.

it's astonishing...remarkable...how deliberately stupid you can
be....you're the stupidity equivalent of a nor'easter.

no wonder the GOP got destroyed. you voted for it.

Not to worry: sarah palin is the GOP's saviour-ess, and dumb****s like
Herring and BAR and others here will vote for her.-

i can hardly wait to see the bedtime stories she reads them. they seem
to be addicted to cheney's...wonder if she can compete so to speak

wf3h wrote:
On Mar 21, 6:03 pm, John H wrote:
On Sat, 21 Mar 2009 14:59:04 -0700 (PDT), wf3h
wrote:





On Mar 21, 5:10 pm, BAR wrote:
wf3h wrote:
au contraire. the lack of unions has destroyed the US middle class.
Can you provide a definition for the middle class? The Census Bureau
doesn't define the middle class so there is no way to argue for or
against the destruction of the middle class.
the census bureau is not in charge of economics.
the middle class generally is those making between 30,000 to 100,000.
it's a reason why income inequality in the US is among the greatest in
the world and wall street runs amuck with little oversight.
What is income inequality? My definition of income inequality is those
that get off there asses and work and those who are lazy *******s who
don't want to work.
IOW you don't follow economics. you don't know the richest 1% have had
their incomes increase by over 200% in the last 10 years or so while
the middle class stagnated.
no wonder you love to **** the middle class. you dont even believe we
should be able to earn a living wage.
There is a road construction
project going on at the end of my street. We have union labor at the
construction project. As I am driving 2 miles down this road seeing 30
guys watching 5 or 6 guys actually working I am thinking about who at my
company is going to get laid off today. Unions get no sympathy from me.
and wall street destroyed the US economy. unions had no hand in
that.
Paying a union guy 95% of his salary to sit around and do nothing is
destroying the US economy. The unions negotiating to prevent
productivity improvements in US factories didn't help the economy either.
and paying 5 guys at AIG a billion dollars to drive the stock market
to 50% of its value has a siightly bigger effect on my income than the
guys working on your road do
again...you just can't think logically.
it's the big wall street manager, the unregulated capitalist that's
outlived his usefulness.
If there is no big capitalist there there is no need for the union guy..
Unions can't exist without corporations. But, corporations can exist
without unions.
yeah and kings can exist without a middle class, too. seems you think
feudalism was a great idea.
bush had 8 years to do something besides make the rich richer. he
didn't.
Why do you Democrats keep harping about the past and previous
administrations? Let's concentrate on what the current administration is
doing to destroy the country and how we can stop it.- Hide quoted text -
jesus h. christ on crutches....obama has been president for 60 days.
are you rednecks so illiterate you think eight years of fascism
mismanagement on the part of bush/cheney/exxon can be undone in 60
days? are you truly that irrational?
When you take command of the ship you are responsible for the entire ship.
and if you didn't build the ship you have to pilot it as best you can.
obama inherited a sinking ship.
No. Obama's 'inheritance' was pretty well established in October of
last year. Now go back and see what the market has done since then.
Also, look at what it's done any day following an Obama speech.

Take the blinders off. You're almost as bad as HK.

Obama lied, the economy died.
--

you know, your economic illiteracy makes me weep for our country

i'm a physical scientist. i collect and analyze data for a living.

no scientist...none....would look at data as you propose. none. not a
single one

you do not select data to fit your preconceptions. you completely
ignore the headlong slide caused by bush's economic policies over 8
years and instead focus on a 2% history.

There is a scientist at NASA who, a paid government employee, who would
not let his model, computer program, be reviewed. But, someone got a
hold of the model and found out that this NASA scientist was stuffing
variables and replacing data that did not conform to his desired outcome
of the model.

it's astonishing...remarkable...how deliberately stupid you can
be....you're the stupidity equivalent of a nor'easter.

Wow it took a physical scientist to come up with that one. Do you has
have masters or a doctorate? If you don't you should because your
talents are not being recognized as they should be by your peers.

no wonder the GOP got destroyed. you voted for it.

Lazy people who want to be taken care of by the government are
destroying this country.

You claim to follow economics so please tell us a country where central
planning and tight government control has brought the kind of prosperity
that the USA has seen to this point. All I am looking for is the name of
the country that is socialist or communist that has a higher standard of
living than the USA.

On Mar 22, 9:39*am, BAR wrote:
wf3h wrote:
--

you know, your economic illiteracy makes me weep for our country

i'm *a physical scientist. i collect and analyze data for a living.

no scientist...none....would look at data as you propose. none. not a
single one

you do not select data to fit your preconceptions. you completely
ignore the headlong slide caused by bush's economic policies over 8
years and instead focus on a 2% history.

There is a scientist at NASA who, a paid government employee, who would
not let his model, computer program, be reviewed. But, someone got a
hold of the model and found out that this NASA scientist was stuffing
variables and replacing data that did not conform to his desired outcome
of the model.

IOW he was getting ready for a job as a republican economic analyst.



it's astonishing...remarkable...how deliberately stupid you can
be....you're the stupidity equivalent of a nor'easter.

Wow *it took a physical scientist to come up with that one. Do you has
have masters or a doctorate? If you don't you should because your
talents are not being recognized as they should be by your peers.

IOW you have no response to the idiotic notion that 2% of history
represents all of history....


no wonder the GOP got destroyed. you voted for it.

Lazy people who want to be taken care of by the government are
destroying this country.

IOW the GOP is trying to continue to do to the country what they did
for the last 30 years.

You claim to follow economics so please tell us a country where central
planning and tight government control has brought the kind of prosperity
that the USA has seen to this point. All I am looking for is the name of
the country that is socialist or communist that has a higher standard of
living than the USA.-

you might tell us where a totally free market ever yielded anything
except an oligopoly like we have now where the middle class pays for
everything and the rich simply expect it as their due.

"wf3h" wrote in message
...

you might tell us where a totally free market ever yielded anything
except an oligopoly like we have now where the middle class pays for
everything and the rich simply expect it as their due.

------------------------------

Wow.

It's no wonder this country is going to hell in a hand-basket.

Oh, well.

Eisboch

"BAR" wrote in message
...

You claim to follow economics so please tell us a country where central
planning and tight government control has brought the kind of prosperity
that the USA has seen to this point. All I am looking for is the name of
the country that is socialist or communist that has a higher standard of
living than the USA.


Maybe you feel you have a high standard of living..what with your two BMWs
and excessive income ( as you boast about).
What about all the American families that have to get by on less than $70K
per year....or even $50K?
I'm sure they don't feel their standard of living is all that great.