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On Mar 22, 5:38*pm, "Don White" wrote:
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Pssssst, dummy! How could that possibly be? You don't even know who I
am, how could you possibly be "protecting" me? Let 'er rip. I really
want you to show everyone here your credibility or lack of........
"Facts" please......

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Of course I know who you are.
You're Kevin.....the LooneyTune guy.

How about those "facts" please? Do you have ANY credibility?

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On Mar 22, 5:43*pm, HK wrote:
Don White wrote:
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Pssssst, dummy! How could that possibly be? You don't even know who I
am, how could you possibly be "protecting" me? Let 'er rip. I really
want you to show everyone here your credibility or lack of........
"Facts" please......

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Of course I know who you are.
You're Kevin.....the LooneyTune guy.

AKA, Asskisser, if memory serves. The guy who holds the highway
construction sign that says "SLOW."

Well then, your memory doesn't serve you very well.

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On Thu, 19 Mar 2009 21:02:26 -0400, HK wrote:

I went into a couple of coal mines when I worked for The AP. It was
damned scary being down under all that rock. I did not get the same
feelings of fear in the natural caves tourists like me visit near the
Shenandoah River.

A cave is stable, short term, and the rock usually won't move, short
of an earthquake. In a mine, the support has been removed, and
sometimes replaced with not enough costly timber shoring. Or in the
case of coal, they would leave too small and too widely spaced pillars
of coal that they would rather sell. Then they tease it with constant
blasting or digging. It can take a while for things to reach
equilibrium after a blast, and sometimes you can hear the timbers
groaning. The trifecta of dangerous trades: Farming, fishing, and
mining.

Casady

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On Mar 23, 9:20 am, Richard Casady
wrote:
On Thu, 19 Mar 2009 21:02:26 -0400, HK wrote:
I went into a couple of coal mines when I worked for The AP. It was
damned scary being down under all that rock. I did not get the same
feelings of fear in the natural caves tourists like me visit near the
Shenandoah River.

A cave is stable, short term, and the rock usually won't move, short
of an earthquake. In a mine, the support has been removed, and
sometimes replaced with not enough costly timber shoring. Or in the
case of coal, they would leave too small and too widely spaced pillars
of coal that they would rather sell. Then they tease it with constant
blasting or digging. It can take a while for things to reach
equilibrium after a blast, and sometimes you can hear the timbers
groaning. The trifecta of dangerous trades: Farming, fishing, and
mining.

Casady

Casady:

Very true. Natural rockfalls in caves are very rare. Most of the
rocks that could fall already did so long ago. In all my years of
caving, I only saw one rock fall by itself. I know of only 1 fatality
due to rockfall. in N Alabama in War Eagle pit in 1983 when a bus
sized rock fell on 3 cavers.
Mines OTOH are supposed to be unstable so they can get ore out.
Look at the formations in caves, those things take centuries to form
and wouldnt be there if the place was unstable.
The greatest danger in caves is from falling.
Dont get me started talking about caving, i won't be able to stop.

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On Mon, 23 Mar 2009 21:42:55 -0700 (PDT), Frogwatch
wrote:

Very true. Natural rockfalls in caves are very rare. Most of the
rocks that could fall already did so long ago. In all my years of
caving, I only saw one rock fall by itself.

Some mountain climbing involves walls, that is more than 60 deg.
Water will seep into cracks in the rock and freeze at night, expanding
the crack. It stays in place for the time being, glued in place by the
ice. Next day, when the climbers are on it, the ice melts, and the
rocks loosened the night before come down in a steady shower.
The Eiger, in the Alps, is notorious in the literature, and a movie,
for deadly falling rock. Caves don't usually have freeze/thaw. And,
while you can get seriously wet in a cave, there is no wind.

Casady