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Yamaha F150 break-in
I am about to purchase a Hydra-Sports 202DC with a Yamaha F150 4
stroke. I have read the beak-in procedure. 1hr at 2000 rpm , 1hr at 3000 and the next 8 hrs no full throttle for more than 5 mins. My question is; When pre-purchase water testing, how much or little damage is sustained while the sales guy or I run a new motor at full throttle for a few minutes to see full speed and other handling characteristics of the boat |
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Yamaha F150 break-in
On Mar 12, 4:04*pm, HK wrote:
wrote: I am about to purchase a Hydra-Sports 202DC with *a Yamaha F150 4 stroke. I have read the beak-in procedure. 1hr at 2000 rpm , 1hr at 3000 and the next 8 hrs no full throttle for more than 5 mins. My question is; When pre-purchase water testing, how much or little damage is sustained while the sales guy or I run a new motor at full throttle for a few minutes to see full speed and other handling characteristics of the boat I suggest you follow the directions to the letter. Thanks for the reply but it doesn't address my question. |
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Yamaha F150 break-in
Thanks for the responses.
Forgot about the computer. duh It does seem wise to be judicious with WOT. Water test not till 3/21. I'm gonna by it unless it sinks or doesn't work at the splash. It's a leftover 2008 model and is priced right. |
Yamaha F150 break-in
On Fri, 13 Mar 2009 01:52:21 -0500, wrote:
On Thu, 12 Mar 2009 21:18:49 -0700 (PDT), wrote: Thanks for the responses. Forgot about the computer. duh It does seem wise to be judicious with WOT. Water test not till 3/21. I'm gonna by it unless it sinks or doesn't work at the splash. It's a leftover 2008 model and is priced right. I really think WOT takes time off the life of an engine, particularly a 4 stroke but that may just be me.. Automotive 4 strokes run at WOT for any length of time have very short lives. I've been told by a number of people who should know that 3400 to 3600 should be about the max for normal operation, maybe 4000 for outboards. |
Yamaha F150 break-in
On Mar 12, 5:28*pm, wrote:
On Mar 12, 4:04*pm, HK wrote: wrote: I am about to purchase a Hydra-Sports 202DC with *a Yamaha F150 4 stroke. I have read the beak-in procedure. 1hr at 2000 rpm , 1hr at 3000 and the next 8 hrs no full throttle for more than 5 mins. My question is; When pre-purchase water testing, how much or little damage is sustained while the sales guy or I run a new motor at full throttle for a few minutes to see full speed and other handling characteristics of the boat I suggest you follow the directions to the letter. Thanks for the reply but it doesn't address my question. Of course not, you've just met Harry. Vague at best because he doesn't know anything, but wants people to think he knows everything! You do realize that Harry claims to have a degree in Mechanical Engineering, don't you? But, he also claims to have a degree from Yale, claims his wife has two doctor degrees, his father once took a runabout across the Atlantic in winter and got a fireboat welcome on his return to NYC, he claims to have owned many, many boats, rounded the horn single handed, sailed from SF to Hawaii, and on and on...... |
Yamaha F150 break-in
On Mar 13, 11:25*am, wrote:
On Mar 12, 5:28*pm, wrote: On Mar 12, 4:04*pm, HK wrote: wrote: I am about to purchase a Hydra-Sports 202DC with *a Yamaha F150 4 stroke. I have read the beak-in procedure. 1hr at 2000 rpm , 1hr at 3000 and the next 8 hrs no full throttle for more than 5 mins. My question is; When pre-purchase water testing, how much or little damage is sustained while the sales guy or I run a new motor at full throttle for a few minutes to see full speed and other handling characteristics of the boat I suggest you follow the directions to the letter. Thanks for the reply but it doesn't address my question. Of course not, you've just met Harry. Vague at best because he doesn't know anything, but wants people to think he knows everything! You do realize that Harry claims to have a degree in Mechanical Engineering, don't you? But, he also claims to have a degree from Yale, claims his wife has two doctor degrees, his father once took a runabout across the Atlantic in winter and got a fireboat welcome on his return to NYC, he claims to have owned many, many boats, rounded the horn single handed, sailed from SF to Hawaii, and on and on......- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - No, I didn't just meet Harry. I have never met him, but I have been lurking here for 10 yrs, posting once or twice a year, while you guys talk about everything but boats. I first posted when I bought a new 1999 Luhrs Tournament 320 and Harry was the first to respond. Sold that boat 5 years ago and have been using my sisters 33ft cruiser. Time for a small boat to play with the grandkids. This is hardly my first boat or outboard but it is my first 4 stroke. |
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Yamaha F150 break-in
On Mar 13, 12:19*pm, wrote:
On Mar 13, 11:25*am, wrote: On Mar 12, 5:28*pm, wrote: On Mar 12, 4:04*pm, HK wrote: wrote: I am about to purchase a Hydra-Sports 202DC with *a Yamaha F150 4 stroke. I have read the beak-in procedure. 1hr at 2000 rpm , 1hr at 3000 and the next 8 hrs no full throttle for more than 5 mins. My question is; When pre-purchase water testing, how much or little damage is sustained while the sales guy or I run a new motor at full throttle for a few minutes to see full speed and other handling characteristics of the boat I suggest you follow the directions to the letter. Thanks for the reply but it doesn't address my question. Of course not, you've just met Harry. Vague at best because he doesn't know anything, but wants people to think he knows everything! You do realize that Harry claims to have a degree in Mechanical Engineering, don't you? But, he also claims to have a degree from Yale, claims his wife has two doctor degrees, his father once took a runabout across the Atlantic in winter and got a fireboat welcome on his return to NYC, he claims to have owned many, many boats, rounded the horn single handed, sailed from SF to Hawaii, and on and on......- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - No, I didn't just meet Harry. I have never met him, but I have been lurking here for 10 yrs, posting once or twice a year, while you guys talk about everything but boats. I first posted when I bought a new 1999 Luhrs Tournament 320 and Harry was the first to respond. Sold that boat 5 years ago and have been using my sisters 33ft cruiser. Time for a small boat to play with the grandkids. This is hardly my first boat or outboard but it is my first 4 stroke.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Then you know of his fantastic accomplishments! |
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Yamaha F150 break-in
On Mar 13, 12:56*pm, HK wrote:
wrote: On Mar 13, 11:25 am, wrote: On Mar 12, 5:28 pm, wrote: On Mar 12, 4:04 pm, HK wrote: wrote: I am about to purchase a Hydra-Sports 202DC with *a Yamaha F150 4 stroke. I have read the beak-in procedure. 1hr at 2000 rpm , 1hr at 3000 and the next 8 hrs no full throttle for more than 5 mins. My question is; When pre-purchase water testing, how much or little damage is sustained while the sales guy or I run a new motor at full throttle for a few minutes to see full speed and other handling characteristics of the boat I suggest you follow the directions to the letter. Thanks for the reply but it doesn't address my question. Of course not, you've just met Harry. Vague at best because he doesn't know anything, but wants people to think he knows everything! You do realize that Harry claims to have a degree in Mechanical Engineering, don't you? But, he also claims to have a degree from Yale, claims his wife has two doctor degrees, his father once took a runabout across the Atlantic in winter and got a fireboat welcome on his return to NYC, he claims to have owned many, many boats, rounded the horn single handed, sailed from SF to Hawaii, and on and on......- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - No, I didn't just meet Harry. I have never met him, but I have been lurking here for 10 yrs, posting once or twice a year, while you guys talk about everything but boats. I first posted when I bought a new 1999 Luhrs Tournament 320 and Harry was the first to respond. Sold that boat 5 years ago and have been using my sisters 33ft cruiser. Time for a small boat to play with the grandkids. This is hardly my first boat or outboard but it is my first 4 stroke. Hmmm. I've been "toying" with the idea of a boat made by Luhrs. I visited the factory a couple of times when I lived in the St. Augustine area, and always liked a couple of their lines, though I had heard of some quality issues. What was your experience with the quality of your Tournament 320?- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - It was a good boat. I had the twin 300 Yanmars and at 1000 hrs had to have the water jackets cleaned for restrictions. I paid for that. They, Marine Pro, said I needed to run it harder to keep em clean. I had an issue with bottom bubbles after 2 years and Luhrs took care of the total cost. I had a ZF tranny blow after 20 months,30 miles off Canaveral, tranny had a warranty 1 year, and Luhrs or ZF repaired it on their dime also. So excellent customer service and a nice boat for fishing or cruising. We took it to the Abacos every summer for 5 years and never had a problem. Resale value was pretty good. |
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Yamaha F150 break-in
wrote in message ... On Mar 13, 12:19 pm, wrote: On Mar 13, 11:25 am, wrote: On Mar 12, 5:28 pm, wrote: On Mar 12, 4:04 pm, HK wrote: wrote: I am about to purchase a Hydra-Sports 202DC with a Yamaha F150 4 stroke. I have read the beak-in procedure. 1hr at 2000 rpm , 1hr at 3000 and the next 8 hrs no full throttle for more than 5 mins. My question is; When pre-purchase water testing, how much or little damage is sustained while the sales guy or I run a new motor at full throttle for a few minutes to see full speed and other handling characteristics of the boat I suggest you follow the directions to the letter. Thanks for the reply but it doesn't address my question. Of course not, you've just met Harry. Vague at best because he doesn't know anything, but wants people to think he knows everything! You do realize that Harry claims to have a degree in Mechanical Engineering, don't you? But, he also claims to have a degree from Yale, claims his wife has two doctor degrees, his father once took a runabout across the Atlantic in winter and got a fireboat welcome on his return to NYC, he claims to have owned many, many boats, rounded the horn single handed, sailed from SF to Hawaii, and on and on......- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - No, I didn't just meet Harry. I have never met him, but I have been lurking here for 10 yrs, posting once or twice a year, while you guys talk about everything but boats. I first posted when I bought a new 1999 Luhrs Tournament 320 and Harry was the first to respond. Sold that boat 5 years ago and have been using my sisters 33ft cruiser. Time for a small boat to play with the grandkids. This is hardly my first boat or outboard but it is my first 4 stroke.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Then you know of his fantastic accomplishments! ************************************************** *********** Give it a rest! This poster knows your silly little game. |
Yamaha F150 break-in
Don White wrote:
wrote in message ... On Mar 13, 12:19 pm, wrote: On Mar 13, 11:25 am, wrote: On Mar 12, 5:28 pm, wrote: On Mar 12, 4:04 pm, HK wrote: wrote: I am about to purchase a Hydra-Sports 202DC with a Yamaha F150 4 stroke. I have read the beak-in procedure. 1hr at 2000 rpm , 1hr at 3000 and the next 8 hrs no full throttle for more than 5 mins. My question is; When pre-purchase water testing, how much or little damage is sustained while the sales guy or I run a new motor at full throttle for a few minutes to see full speed and other handling characteristics of the boat I suggest you follow the directions to the letter. Thanks for the reply but it doesn't address my question. Of course not, you've just met Harry. Vague at best because he doesn't know anything, but wants people to think he knows everything! You do realize that Harry claims to have a degree in Mechanical Engineering, don't you? But, he also claims to have a degree from Yale, claims his wife has two doctor degrees, his father once took a runabout across the Atlantic in winter and got a fireboat welcome on his return to NYC, he claims to have owned many, many boats, rounded the horn single handed, sailed from SF to Hawaii, and on and on......- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - No, I didn't just meet Harry. I have never met him, but I have been lurking here for 10 yrs, posting once or twice a year, while you guys talk about everything but boats. I first posted when I bought a new 1999 Luhrs Tournament 320 and Harry was the first to respond. Sold that boat 5 years ago and have been using my sisters 33ft cruiser. Time for a small boat to play with the grandkids. This is hardly my first boat or outboard but it is my first 4 stroke.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Then you know of his fantastic accomplishments! ************************************************** *********** Give it a rest! This poster knows your silly little game. STFU, puppy. Let your master speak for himself. |
Yamaha F150 break-in
On Fri, 13 Mar 2009 21:32:18 -0500, wrote:
On Fri, 13 Mar 2009 13:23:43 -0400, wrote: 4 strokes have come a long way in the last 20 years, mostly because of the Japs. My Honda Prelude redlines at 7500 RPM and the cam timing doesn't even advance until you get to 5000 (VTEC). I don't hear that much either. I guess I am still just old school ... but I do get a lot of hours out of my engines. Back in the 1960's, Honda had a little 50 cc, twin cylinder, DOHC, race bike that redlined at 20,000 rpm. Yeah but those were the guys wouldn't't weigh pistons on a triple beam because it wasn't accurate enough ;-) We do have to credit the Germans and Japanese for making us change our engine factories. We were still building the stuff that allowed us to blow up all their factories. They got a clean start and kicked our ass. My Merc is a Yamaha powerhead. American foot. Best of both worlds in my opinion. Those that keep talking as if 4-strokes are somehow "new technology" simply because they are mounted on the transom of a boat are pretty ignorant. If someone said that 4-strokes have come a long way in the past 100 years, they might be on to something. Most of the developments are not specific to 4-strokes. Materials, manufacturing techniques, fuel delivery... |
Yamaha F150 break-in
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On Sat, 14 Mar 2009 08:50:53 -0400, wrote: Back in the 1960's, Honda had a little 50 cc, twin cylinder, DOHC, race bike that redlined at 20,000 rpm. Yeah but those were the guys wouldn't't weigh pistons on a triple beam because it wasn't accurate enough ;-) We do have to credit the Germans and Japanese for making us change our engine factories. We were still building the stuff that allowed us to blow up all their factories. They got a clean start and kicked our ass. My Merc is a Yamaha powerhead. American foot. Best of both worlds in my opinion. Those that keep talking as if 4-strokes are somehow "new technology" simply because they are mounted on the transom of a boat are pretty ignorant. If someone said that 4-strokes have come a long way in the past 100 years, they might be on to something. Most of the developments are not specific to 4-strokes. Materials, manufacturing techniques, fuel delivery... The biggest single advancement in 50 years for the 4 stroke was the overhead cam. That eliminated a lot of valve train hardware. The real enhancement was the computer control but that has creeped into 2 stroke design too. EFI is where most of the efficiency and clean burning came from. They had pretty much squeezed all the juice out of the carburetor by the end of WWII. Fuel injection was dabbled with for a couple decades after the war but the systems were pretty clunky until someone put a closed loop, computer controlled system in there. Combine that with computer controlled ignition systems and we really have a well performing engine. Alas, the ability to fix it on the water (or side of the road) is compromised. Compromised? Hehehe. Yeah. That's the ticket. Compromised. Pretty much eliminated but for the obvious...no spark, loose wire, stuck starter, something like that. No computer hookup, no special tools, no go. I don't disagree with your "well-performing engine" comment, but in the good old days in the 1950s, I had plenty of "well-performing" two stroke engines that started every time, ran just about all day at WOT, and were easy to repair without the use of exotic tools or instruments. |
Yamaha F150 break-in
On Sat, 14 Mar 2009 11:15:02 -0500, wrote:
On Sat, 14 Mar 2009 08:50:53 -0400, wrote: Back in the 1960's, Honda had a little 50 cc, twin cylinder, DOHC, race bike that redlined at 20,000 rpm. Yeah but those were the guys wouldn't't weigh pistons on a triple beam because it wasn't accurate enough ;-) We do have to credit the Germans and Japanese for making us change our engine factories. We were still building the stuff that allowed us to blow up all their factories. They got a clean start and kicked our ass. My Merc is a Yamaha powerhead. American foot. Best of both worlds in my opinion. Those that keep talking as if 4-strokes are somehow "new technology" simply because they are mounted on the transom of a boat are pretty ignorant. If someone said that 4-strokes have come a long way in the past 100 years, they might be on to something. Most of the developments are not specific to 4-strokes. Materials, manufacturing techniques, fuel delivery... The biggest single advancement in 50 years for the 4 stroke was the overhead cam. That eliminated a lot of valve train hardware. That was a little more than 50 years ago. They were making engines with dual overhead cams more like 100 years ago. The rest of the stuff you list below is not specific to 4-strokes. The real enhancement was the computer control but that has creeped into 2 stroke design too. EFI is where most of the efficiency and clean burning came from. They had pretty much squeezed all the juice out of the carburetor by the end of WWII. Fuel injection was dabbled with for a couple decades after the war but the systems were pretty clunky until someone put a closed loop, computer controlled system in there. Combine that with computer controlled ignition systems and we really have a well performing engine. Alas, the ability to fix it on the water (or side of the road) is compromised. |
Yamaha F150 break-in
"HK" wrote in message ... I don't disagree with your "well-performing engine" comment, but in the good old days in the 1950s, I had plenty of "well-performing" two stroke engines that started every time, ran just about all day at WOT, and were easy to repair without the use of exotic tools or instruments. And if you got lost, you simply turned around and followed your oil slick back to port. Eisboch |
Yamaha F150 break-in
Eisboch wrote:
"HK" wrote in message ... I don't disagree with your "well-performing engine" comment, but in the good old days in the 1950s, I had plenty of "well-performing" two stroke engines that started every time, ran just about all day at WOT, and were easy to repair without the use of exotic tools or instruments. And if you got lost, you simply turned around and followed your oil slick back to port. Eisboch I suppose I could have done that, but in LI Sound, you could see both shorelines... :) |
Yamaha F150 break-in
"HK" wrote in message m... Eisboch wrote: "HK" wrote in message ... I don't disagree with your "well-performing engine" comment, but in the good old days in the 1950s, I had plenty of "well-performing" two stroke engines that started every time, ran just about all day at WOT, and were easy to repair without the use of exotic tools or instruments. And if you got lost, you simply turned around and followed your oil slick back to port. Eisboch I suppose I could have done that, but in LI Sound, you could see both shorelines... :) I am thinking back to my youth spending summers on a small lake. We all had big old Merc, Johnson and Evinrude 2 strokes on our boats that left an oil slick whenever the leg was in the water, running or not. The EPA would have a field day now-a-days. Eisboch |
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