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"HK" wrote in message
m...

But I see no reason to put ordinary individuals in the military on a
pedestal, as if they have accomplished something utterly remarkable
because they joined. I'm far more impressed with the everyday frontline
work done by doctors, nurses, teachers, social workers, firefighters,
public health workers, real charitable organization workers, et cetera.

I know I would have felt differently about the military during World War
II.


I know of very few ex-military people who think they accomplished something
remarkable. Hell, millions and millions have military experience.

Most consider it a duty or obligation fulfilled and then move on with their
lives. A few make it a career, thankfully.

Unless the subject is brought up either in a discussion of experiences or in
response to unwarranted insults by people who have a problem with military
service very few people spend a lot of time discussing it.
This includes your favorite ex-military buddy, JohnH. *You* are the one
that routinely makes derogatory statements about his career choice.

He talks about golf.

Eisboch

To be a 'real' liberal, you must...
 

"Eisboch" wrote in message
...

"HK" wrote in message
m...

But I see no reason to put ordinary individuals in the military on a
pedestal, as if they have accomplished something utterly remarkable
because they joined. I'm far more impressed with the everyday frontline
work done by doctors, nurses, teachers, social workers, firefighters,
public health workers, real charitable organization workers, et cetera.

I know I would have felt differently about the military during World War
II.


I know of very few ex-military people who think they accomplished
something remarkable. Hell, millions and millions have military
experience.

Most consider it a duty or obligation fulfilled and then move on with
their lives. A few make it a career, thankfully.

Unless the subject is brought up either in a discussion of experiences or
in response to unwarranted insults by people who have a problem with
military service very few people spend a lot of time discussing it.
This includes your favorite ex-military buddy, JohnH. *You* are the one
that routinely makes derogatory statements about his career choice.

He talks about golf.

Eisboch

I belong to the American Legion. I visit the local Post maybe once a week
for a couple of hours to have a beer and BS with the folks. The
conversations are almost *never* of military adventures but center around
sports, fishing, golf, etc.

To be a 'real' liberal, you must...
 

Eisboch wrote:

"HK" wrote in message
m...

But I see no reason to put ordinary individuals in the military on a
pedestal, as if they have accomplished something utterly remarkable
because they joined. I'm far more impressed with the everyday
frontline work done by doctors, nurses, teachers, social workers,
firefighters, public health workers, real charitable organization
workers, et cetera.

I know I would have felt differently about the military during World
War II.


I know of very few ex-military people who think they accomplished
something remarkable. Hell, millions and millions have military
experience.

Most consider it a duty or obligation fulfilled and then move on with
their lives. A few make it a career, thankfully.

Unless the subject is brought up either in a discussion of experiences
or in response to unwarranted insults by people who have a problem with
military service very few people spend a lot of time discussing it.
This includes your favorite ex-military buddy, JohnH. *You* are the
one that routinely makes derogatory statements about his career choice.

He talks about golf.

Eisboch

True enough. Krause wouldn't get his nose soiled so often if he didn't
stick it where it doesn't belong.

To be a 'real' liberal, you must...
 

Eisboch wrote:

"HK" wrote in message
m...

But I see no reason to put ordinary individuals in the military on a
pedestal, as if they have accomplished something utterly remarkable
because they joined. I'm far more impressed with the everyday
frontline work done by doctors, nurses, teachers, social workers,
firefighters, public health workers, real charitable organization
workers, et cetera.

I know I would have felt differently about the military during World
War II.


I know of very few ex-military people who think they accomplished
something remarkable. Hell, millions and millions have military
experience.

Most consider it a duty or obligation fulfilled and then move on with
their lives. A few make it a career, thankfully.

Unless the subject is brought up either in a discussion of experiences
or in response to unwarranted insults by people who have a problem with
military service very few people spend a lot of time discussing it.
This includes your favorite ex-military buddy, JohnH. *You* are the
one that routinely makes derogatory statements about his career choice.

He talks about golf.

Eisboch


Yeah...I'm sure he's a better golfer than he was a soldier. And he's a
mediocre golfer.

Military service is neither a duty nor an obligation in this country. We
have an all-voluntary military. Which is not to say there are no valiant
or incredible people in the military. Herring wasn't one of them.

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"HK" wrote in message
m...


Military service is neither a duty nor an obligation in this country.


It's a personal decision. Obviously you don't think so. Others do.

For your convenience I have snipped your continued insults about JohnH.

Eisboch

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HK wrote:
Eisboch wrote:

"Richard Casady" wrote in message
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On Wed, 11 Mar 2009 21:20:41 -0400, "Eisboch"
wrote:


"Tim" wrote in message
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I have a young cousin that is in the skilled carpenters union. he
builds scaffolds in power plants and makes 28-30.00 USD per hr. and in
many cases also gets a per diam.

he had tt take a pee test, but no hard physical... didn't have to go
through basic training, run miles, hike, go though any inspections.
march anything like that.

He bought his card....

---------------------------------------

I am getting a big kick out of this.
One thing for sure. You don't exactly "buy" your rating designation or
qualifications in the military.

At one time, in the Brittish army, you bought your commission.

Casady

And at one time doctors didn't have to have a medical degree either.
I think we are talking about *now*.

Eisboch


Sorry, but I'm just not *overwhelmed* by the military or what it takes
to be in it. I appreciate that we have a military, and that sometimes it
is put to good use, and I also appreciate the sacrifices many in the
military have made and continue to make. It's not an easy life for many
in uniform.

But I see no reason to put ordinary individuals in the military on a
pedestal, as if they have accomplished something utterly remarkable
because they joined. I'm far more impressed with the everyday frontline
work done by doctors, nurses, teachers, social workers, firefighters,
public health workers, real charitable organization workers, et cetera.

I know I would have felt differently about the military during World War
II.

I know most people have no respect for someone who spent the last 15 yrs
of his life hurling childish insults in a public forum. When someone
spends all of his time in rec.boats (and only uses his boat about 20 hrs
a year) probably does not command the respect of anyone, except those
with even less accomplishments than someone who is forced to live a
Walter Mitty existence in rec.boats.

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Eisboch wrote:

"HK" wrote in message
m...


Military service is neither a duty nor an obligation in this country.


It's a personal decision. Obviously you don't think so. Others do.

For your convenience I have snipped your continued insults about JohnH.

Eisboch


That is correct: it is a personal decision, *not* a duty nor an obligation.

I don't read Herring's crap: do you snip his continued insults about me?
How about the rest of your crew? Do you snip FloridaJim's insults about me?

I'll bet you don't.

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"HK" wrote in message
m...
Eisboch wrote:

"HK" wrote in message
m...


Military service is neither a duty nor an obligation in this country.


It's a personal decision. Obviously you don't think so. Others do.

For your convenience I have snipped your continued insults about JohnH.

Eisboch


That is correct: it is a personal decision, *not* a duty nor an
obligation.

I don't read Herring's crap: do you snip his continued insults about me?
How about the rest of your crew? Do you snip FloridaJim's insults about
me?

I'll bet you don't.



Come on. The concept of duty or obligation is a personal decision. In
some of our cases the decision was made for us unless we took evasive
action.

As to the insults, why do you constantly address his character if you don't
read his crap?
Seems to me that if you don't read it, there should be nothing to respond to
in your derogatory style.
Yet you do. Leaky filter?

Eisboch

To be a 'real' liberal, you must...
 

Eisboch wrote:

"HK" wrote in message
m...
Eisboch wrote:

"HK" wrote in message
m...


Military service is neither a duty nor an obligation in this country.


It's a personal decision. Obviously you don't think so. Others do.

For your convenience I have snipped your continued insults about JohnH.

Eisboch


That is correct: it is a personal decision, *not* a duty nor an
obligation.

I don't read Herring's crap: do you snip his continued insults about me?
How about the rest of your crew? Do you snip FloridaJim's insults
about me?

I'll bet you don't.



Come on. The concept of duty or obligation is a personal decision. In
some of our cases the decision was made for us unless we took evasive
action.

As to the insults, why do you constantly address his character if you
don't read his crap?
Seems to me that if you don't read it, there should be nothing to
respond to in your derogatory style.
Yet you do. Leaky filter?

Eisboch


My "addressing" of Herring's lack of character have nothing to do with
his insults of me. They have to do with his simple-minded conservatism
and his racism. He is *so* 2009 GOP: clueless and headed for oblivion.

I do see the odd post of his, typically when someone I don't filter
regurgitates something idiotic Herring has posted.

To be a 'real' liberal, you must...
 

On Fri, 13 Mar 2009 11:22:56 -0400, HK wrote:

Eisboch wrote:

"HK" wrote in message
m...

But I see no reason to put ordinary individuals in the military on a
pedestal, as if they have accomplished something utterly remarkable
because they joined. I'm far more impressed with the everyday
frontline work done by doctors, nurses, teachers, social workers,
firefighters, public health workers, real charitable organization
workers, et cetera.

I know I would have felt differently about the military during World
War II.


I know of very few ex-military people who think they accomplished
something remarkable. Hell, millions and millions have military
experience.

Most consider it a duty or obligation fulfilled and then move on with
their lives. A few make it a career, thankfully.

Unless the subject is brought up either in a discussion of experiences
or in response to unwarranted insults by people who have a problem with
military service very few people spend a lot of time discussing it.
This includes your favorite ex-military buddy, JohnH. *You* are the
one that routinely makes derogatory statements about his career choice.

He talks about golf.

Eisboch


Yeah...I'm sure he's a better golfer than he was a soldier. And he's a
mediocre golfer.

Military service is neither a duty nor an obligation in this country. We
have an all-voluntary military. Which is not to say there are no valiant
or incredible people in the military. Herring wasn't one of them.

Do you have a copy of his military records? You seem to know an awful
lot about him. And, you DO sound very anti-military. Were you
unqualified to enter? Some people are very anti-military because they
feared being in the military. This fear gets turned into bitterness
and hate.