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Calif Bill wrote:
"HK" wrote in message
m...
Tim wrote:
On Mar 11, 8:49 pm, HK wrote:
Tim wrote:
On Mar 11, 7:05 pm, HK wrote:
Tim wrote:
On Mar 11, 6:53 pm, HK wrote:
Tim wrote:
On Mar 11, 5:32 pm, Blazer wrote:
On Wed, 11 Mar 2009 15:33:28 -0400, "Eisboch"
wrote:
"HK" wrote in message
m...
Oh, and when he plays golf, he likes to play on courses paid
for and
maintained by the taxpayers.
Blazer wrote:
Wow, you've really got it in for 'Herring'. Are you saying that
being a
soldier is a bad thing? And teaching? Do you think it's wrong
for someone
to play golf on a public golf
course? I've never heard of a 'free' public golf course,
though. Do
they have them where you live?
D'oh.
You aren't a Loogy doppelganger, are you? You come across here
just as
stupid as he is. I think you are about ready for the filter
dumpster.
No, dummy, I am not claiming being a soldier or a teacher is
bad. I have
great respect for teachers.
I have no respect, though, for turds like Herring who spend
their entire
life sucking on the taxpayers' teat and then whine about their
misconceptions regarding socialism.
Too subtle for you, right?
Blazer,
You apparently are relatively new here. Allow me to clarify
Harry's
statements a bit.
JohnH was drafted into the Army but continued his education
leading to a
commission. He served honorably as a career Army officer
including at least
one tour (maybe more) in Vietnam.
As you are probably aware the pay scale in the military isn't the
highest in
the world. Certainly nowhere near the pay rates for even
semi-skilled union
workers in the auto industry. However, JohnH chose to make the
military a
career. Someone has to do it.
When you retire from the military after a minimum of 20 years,
you receive a
small pension plus certain lifetime benefits for health care and
use of
military facilities, including recreational activities such as
military
owned golf courses, etc. Not too different from benefits earned
by retired
union workers.
However, in Harry's mind people like JohnH who earned these
benefits while
earning much less than his civilian counterparts, "spend their
entire life
sucking on the taxpayers' teat.
Harry never served in the military.
Hopefully this helps you understand Harry a little more.
Eisboch
That clarifies a lot. Thank you.
BTW. John doesn't toot his own horn, But sort of will. He retired
honorably fromt he US Army with the rank of 0-5 which is
Lieutenant
Colonel (Lt.C).
And even with years of service,"O" ranks are earned, not merely
given away.
No big whoop. Really.
Neither is paying 35 and 25 years worth of union dues.
I prefaced my remark by saying it had meaning for me and a couple of
others here.
I am sure, though, that it was tougher to get into my skilled
tradesman
union than it was to get into the army.
I have a young cousin that is in the skilled carpenters union. he
builds scaffolds in power plants and makes 28-30.00 USD per hr. and in
many cases also gets a per diam.
he had tt take a pee test, but no hard physical... didn't have to go
through basic training, run miles, hike, go though any inspections.
march anything like that.
He bought his card....
And your cousin's alleged union experiences relate to mine in what way?
"I am sure, though, that it was tougher to get into my skilled
tradesman union than it was to get into the army. "

Well, Tim, I'm not a member of the carpenter's union. No one in my local
bought his card.

30 years in the union, did not work as a bricklayer. Hard to get into and
stay in a union. Huh?

Just like joining those record or CD clubs. Keep sending them your money
and you are a member.

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BAR wrote:
Calif Bill wrote:
"HK" wrote in message
m...
Tim wrote:
On Mar 11, 8:49 pm, HK wrote:
Tim wrote:
On Mar 11, 7:05 pm, HK wrote:
Tim wrote:
On Mar 11, 6:53 pm, HK wrote:
Tim wrote:
On Mar 11, 5:32 pm, Blazer wrote:
On Wed, 11 Mar 2009 15:33:28 -0400, "Eisboch"

wrote:
"HK" wrote in message
m...
Oh, and when he plays golf, he likes to play on courses
paid for and
maintained by the taxpayers.
Blazer wrote:
Wow, you've really got it in for 'Herring'. Are you saying
that being a
soldier is a bad thing? And teaching? Do you think it's
wrong for someone
to play golf on a public golf
course? I've never heard of a 'free' public golf course,
though. Do
they have them where you live?
D'oh.
You aren't a Loogy doppelganger, are you? You come across
here just as
stupid as he is. I think you are about ready for the filter
dumpster.
No, dummy, I am not claiming being a soldier or a teacher
is bad. I have
great respect for teachers.
I have no respect, though, for turds like Herring who spend
their entire
life sucking on the taxpayers' teat and then whine about their
misconceptions regarding socialism.
Too subtle for you, right?
Blazer,
You apparently are relatively new here. Allow me to
clarify Harry's
statements a bit.
JohnH was drafted into the Army but continued his education
leading to a
commission. He served honorably as a career Army officer
including at least
one tour (maybe more) in Vietnam.
As you are probably aware the pay scale in the military
isn't the highest in
the world. Certainly nowhere near the pay rates for even
semi-skilled union
workers in the auto industry. However, JohnH chose to make
the military a
career. Someone has to do it.
When you retire from the military after a minimum of 20
years, you receive a
small pension plus certain lifetime benefits for health care
and use of
military facilities, including recreational activities such
as military
owned golf courses, etc. Not too different from benefits
earned by retired
union workers.
However, in Harry's mind people like JohnH who earned these
benefits while
earning much less than his civilian counterparts, "spend
their entire life
sucking on the taxpayers' teat.
Harry never served in the military.
Hopefully this helps you understand Harry a little more.
Eisboch
That clarifies a lot. Thank you.
BTW. John doesn't toot his own horn, But sort of will. He
retired
honorably fromt he US Army with the rank of 0-5 which is
Lieutenant
Colonel (Lt.C).
And even with years of service,"O" ranks are earned, not merely
given away.
No big whoop. Really.
Neither is paying 35 and 25 years worth of union dues.
I prefaced my remark by saying it had meaning for me and a couple of
others here.
I am sure, though, that it was tougher to get into my skilled
tradesman
union than it was to get into the army.
I have a young cousin that is in the skilled carpenters union. he
builds scaffolds in power plants and makes 28-30.00 USD per hr.
and in
many cases also gets a per diam.
he had tt take a pee test, but no hard physical... didn't have to go
through basic training, run miles, hike, go though any inspections.
march anything like that.
He bought his card....
And your cousin's alleged union experiences relate to mine in what
way?
"I am sure, though, that it was tougher to get into my skilled
tradesman union than it was to get into the army. "

Well, Tim, I'm not a member of the carpenter's union. No one in my
local bought his card.

30 years in the union, did not work as a bricklayer. Hard to get into
and stay in a union. Huh?

Just like joining those record or CD clubs. Keep sending them your money
and you are a member.

With the added benefit that you can take advantage of their group health
insurance and pretend you paid your dues just so you can help your
fellow man.

Some thing are just way too predictable.

To be a 'real' liberal, you must...
 

Just like joining those record or CD clubs. Keep sending them your money
and you are a member.

I retired from Teamsters with 37 years on and off. I get $1851 a month plus
$300 a month insurance allowance to buy my own policy, which costs $187.
They paid about $240,000 for an 8.5 hour heart operation, plus various
others over the years.

I figger I got my money's worth and more out of my dues.

Steve

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On Mar 11, 9:11*pm, "Mike" wrote:
"Eisboch" wrote in message

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"HK" wrote in message
om...
Eisboch wrote:

"HK" wrote in message
news:8_KdnRMeJNhEzCXUnZ2dnUVZ_rTinZ2d@earthlink .com...

I prefaced my remark by saying it had meaning for me and a couple of
others here.

I am sure, though, that it was tougher to get into my skilled tradesman
union than it was to get into the army.

Both are easy to "get in" but that's about where the similarity ends.
It doesn't take much to stay in a union. *Just open your wallet, pay
your dues and don't rock the boat.

I had to take and pass a multi-day knowledge and practical exam to get
from apprentice to journeyman.

And?

An enlisted person in the military attends 9-10 *weeks* *of basic military
indoctrination.
That's before attending the school for his/her particular job code. *That
school can last anywhere from 3 months to well over a year. * Only *then*
are they considered qualified to begin performing the equivilent of
apprentice level work in their job rating. *Advancement in rate is
dependent on completing required courses in both military and specific job
code curriculums, plus sign-off of practical demonstration sof competence
by higher ranking commissioned or non-commissioned officers. * Usually
takes a couple of years to accomplish.

To remain in the military you have to demonstrate value, competence and
worth. *This is particularly true as a commissioned officer, although it
also applies to enlisted personnel. * The military does not promote and
retain slackers.

Now *that* is funny.

Why is that so funny to you? * You obviously have no knowledge of or
experience in the subject.
Really Harry, to those of us that know what the military is all about, you
are making a fool of yourself.

Eisboch

He seems to make a fool of himself no matter what he's talking about. Trying
to equate the military to a union!!?? Man he's off the deep end.

--Mike- Hide quoted text -

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It's all just another lie. Harry doesn't belong to any union. He can't
prove he belongs to any union. If you question him, he'll kill file
you, then call you vulgar third grade names. Just like his alleged
Yale degree, his father's runabout across the Atlantic, in winter,
with a fireboat welcome in NYC, and on and on. All lies. You can tell
the one's that aren't lies, because he'll instantly produce a picture.
If it's a lie, you'll get vague answers, non-answers, and name calling.

To be a 'real' liberal, you must...
 

wrote in message
...
On Mar 11, 9:11 pm, "Mike" wrote:
"Eisboch" wrote in message

...







"HK" wrote in message
om...
Eisboch wrote:

"HK" wrote in message
news:8_KdnRMeJNhEzCXUnZ2dnUVZ_rTinZ2d@earthlink .com...

I prefaced my remark by saying it had meaning for me and a couple of
others here.

I am sure, though, that it was tougher to get into my skilled
tradesman
union than it was to get into the army.

Both are easy to "get in" but that's about where the similarity ends.
It doesn't take much to stay in a union. Just open your wallet, pay
your dues and don't rock the boat.

I had to take and pass a multi-day knowledge and practical exam to get
from apprentice to journeyman.

And?

An enlisted person in the military attends 9-10 *weeks* of basic
military
indoctrination.
That's before attending the school for his/her particular job code. That
school can last anywhere from 3 months to well over a year. Only *then*
are they considered qualified to begin performing the equivilent of
apprentice level work in their job rating. Advancement in rate is
dependent on completing required courses in both military and specific
job
code curriculums, plus sign-off of practical demonstration sof
competence
by higher ranking commissioned or non-commissioned officers. Usually
takes a couple of years to accomplish.

To remain in the military you have to demonstrate value, competence
and
worth. This is particularly true as a commissioned officer, although
it
also applies to enlisted personnel. The military does not promote and
retain slackers.

Now *that* is funny.

Why is that so funny to you? You obviously have no knowledge of or
experience in the subject.
Really Harry, to those of us that know what the military is all about,
you
are making a fool of yourself.

Eisboch

He seems to make a fool of himself no matter what he's talking about.
Trying
to equate the military to a union!!?? Man he's off the deep end.

--Mike- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

It's all just another lie. Harry doesn't belong to any union. He can't
prove he belongs to any union. If you question him, he'll kill file
you, then call you vulgar third grade names. Just like his alleged
Yale degree, his father's runabout across the Atlantic, in winter,
with a fireboat welcome in NYC, and on and on. All lies. You can tell
the one's that aren't lies, because he'll instantly produce a picture.
If it's a lie, you'll get vague answers, non-answers, and name calling.

************************************************** ***************

Liar!

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Don White wrote:
wrote in message
...
On Mar 11, 9:11 pm, "Mike" wrote:
"Eisboch" wrote in message

...







"HK" wrote in message
m...
Eisboch wrote:
"HK" wrote in message
m...
I prefaced my remark by saying it had meaning for me and a couple of
others here.
I am sure, though, that it was tougher to get into my skilled
tradesman
union than it was to get into the army.
Both are easy to "get in" but that's about where the similarity ends.
It doesn't take much to stay in a union. Just open your wallet, pay
your dues and don't rock the boat.
I had to take and pass a multi-day knowledge and practical exam to get
from apprentice to journeyman.
And?
An enlisted person in the military attends 9-10 *weeks* of basic
military
indoctrination.
That's before attending the school for his/her particular job code. That
school can last anywhere from 3 months to well over a year. Only *then*
are they considered qualified to begin performing the equivilent of
apprentice level work in their job rating. Advancement in rate is
dependent on completing required courses in both military and specific
job
code curriculums, plus sign-off of practical demonstration sof
competence
by higher ranking commissioned or non-commissioned officers. Usually
takes a couple of years to accomplish.
To remain in the military you have to demonstrate value, competence
and
worth. This is particularly true as a commissioned officer, although
it
also applies to enlisted personnel. The military does not promote and
retain slackers.
Now *that* is funny.
Why is that so funny to you? You obviously have no knowledge of or
experience in the subject.
Really Harry, to those of us that know what the military is all about,
you
are making a fool of yourself.
Eisboch
He seems to make a fool of himself no matter what he's talking about.
Trying
to equate the military to a union!!?? Man he's off the deep end.

--Mike- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

It's all just another lie. Harry doesn't belong to any union. He can't
prove he belongs to any union. If you question him, he'll kill file
you, then call you vulgar third grade names. Just like his alleged
Yale degree, his father's runabout across the Atlantic, in winter,
with a fireboat welcome in NYC, and on and on. All lies. You can tell
the one's that aren't lies, because he'll instantly produce a picture.
If it's a lie, you'll get vague answers, non-answers, and name calling.

************************************************** ***************

Liar!




Poor Loogy. Stupid as schitt and probably smells worse.

To be a 'real' liberal, you must...
 

Mike wrote:
"Eisboch" wrote in message
...
"HK" wrote in message
m...

I prefaced my remark by saying it had meaning for me and a couple of
others here.

I am sure, though, that it was tougher to get into my skilled tradesman
union than it was to get into the army.


Both are easy to "get in" but that's about where the similarity ends.
It doesn't take much to stay in a union. Just open your wallet, pay your
dues and don't rock the boat.

To remain in the military you have to demonstrate value, competence and
worth. This is particularly true as a commissioned officer, although it
also applies to enlisted personnel. The military does not promote and
retain slackers.

What is wrong with you anyway Harry?

I congratulated you for your union membership achievement and I meant it
because it means something to you. Others have honorable achievements as
well that have just as much meaning (or more) and benefit many more
people, yet you stick your nose up in the air and insult them.

Eisboch


Typical Harry. He responded to everything in your post, except the last
paragraph.... the one that meant the most.



He's always been very selective in his responses. Those who are "kill
filed" have defeated him more often than he can handle. Don't kid
yourself - he reads every post.

To be a 'real' liberal, you must...
 

Blazer wrote:

BTW, why do several people use the term 'WAFA' regarding you, and what
does it mean?

Shorthand for What A ****ing Asshole. WAFI fit's WAFA's dumb lemming,
Donnie.

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Don White wrote:
wrote in message
...
On Mar 11, 9:11 pm, "Mike" wrote:
"Eisboch" wrote in message

...







"HK" wrote in message
m...
Eisboch wrote:
"HK" wrote in message
m...
I prefaced my remark by saying it had meaning for me and a couple of
others here.
I am sure, though, that it was tougher to get into my skilled
tradesman
union than it was to get into the army.
Both are easy to "get in" but that's about where the similarity ends.
It doesn't take much to stay in a union. Just open your wallet, pay
your dues and don't rock the boat.
I had to take and pass a multi-day knowledge and practical exam to get
from apprentice to journeyman.
And?
An enlisted person in the military attends 9-10 *weeks* of basic
military
indoctrination.
That's before attending the school for his/her particular job code. That
school can last anywhere from 3 months to well over a year. Only *then*
are they considered qualified to begin performing the equivilent of
apprentice level work in their job rating. Advancement in rate is
dependent on completing required courses in both military and specific
job
code curriculums, plus sign-off of practical demonstration sof
competence
by higher ranking commissioned or non-commissioned officers. Usually
takes a couple of years to accomplish.
To remain in the military you have to demonstrate value, competence
and
worth. This is particularly true as a commissioned officer, although
it
also applies to enlisted personnel. The military does not promote and
retain slackers.
Now *that* is funny.
Why is that so funny to you? You obviously have no knowledge of or
experience in the subject.
Really Harry, to those of us that know what the military is all about,
you
are making a fool of yourself.
Eisboch
He seems to make a fool of himself no matter what he's talking about.
Trying
to equate the military to a union!!?? Man he's off the deep end.

--Mike- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

It's all just another lie. Harry doesn't belong to any union. He can't
prove he belongs to any union. If you question him, he'll kill file
you, then call you vulgar third grade names. Just like his alleged
Yale degree, his father's runabout across the Atlantic, in winter,
with a fireboat welcome in NYC, and on and on. All lies. You can tell
the one's that aren't lies, because he'll instantly produce a picture.
If it's a lie, you'll get vague answers, non-answers, and name calling.

************************************************** ***************

Liar!



A dumb reply from a dumb man. Fight your own battles and get some Blue
in the refrigerator for your lame son (your words) when he gets home
from his 6 hours at McDonald's.

To be a 'real' liberal, you must...
 

Don't kid yourself - he reads every post.

Of course he does. His alleged kill file is just a convenient way of not
having to respond.

--Mike

"DK" wrote in message
...
Mike wrote:
"Eisboch" wrote in message
...
"HK" wrote in message
m...

I prefaced my remark by saying it had meaning for me and a couple of
others here.

I am sure, though, that it was tougher to get into my skilled tradesman
union than it was to get into the army.


Both are easy to "get in" but that's about where the similarity ends.
It doesn't take much to stay in a union. Just open your wallet, pay
your dues and don't rock the boat.

To remain in the military you have to demonstrate value, competence and
worth. This is particularly true as a commissioned officer, although it
also applies to enlisted personnel. The military does not promote and
retain slackers.

What is wrong with you anyway Harry?

I congratulated you for your union membership achievement and I meant it
because it means something to you. Others have honorable achievements
as well that have just as much meaning (or more) and benefit many more
people, yet you stick your nose up in the air and insult them.

Eisboch


Typical Harry. He responded to everything in your post, except the last
paragraph.... the one that meant the most.

He's always been very selective in his responses. Those who are "kill
filed" have defeated him more often than he can handle. Don't kid
yourself - he reads every post.