"Eisboch" wrote in message
news

"HK" wrote in message
m...


I prefaced my remark by saying it had meaning for me and a couple of
others here.

I am sure, though, that it was tougher to get into my skilled tradesman
union than it was to get into the army.



Both are easy to "get in" but that's about where the similarity ends.
It doesn't take much to stay in a union. Just open your wallet, pay your
dues and don't rock the boat.

To remain in the military you have to demonstrate value, competence and
worth. This is particularly true as a commissioned officer, although it
also applies to enlisted personnel. The military does not promote and
retain slackers.

What is wrong with you anyway Harry?

I congratulated you for your union membership achievement and I meant it
because it means something to you. Others have honorable achievements as
well that have just as much meaning (or more) and benefit many more
people, yet you stick your nose up in the air and insult them.

Eisboch


Typical Harry. He responded to everything in your post, except the last
paragraph.... the one that meant the most.

"Tim" wrote in message
...

I have a young cousin that is in the skilled carpenters union. he
builds scaffolds in power plants and makes 28-30.00 USD per hr. and in
many cases also gets a per diam.

he had tt take a pee test, but no hard physical... didn't have to go
through basic training, run miles, hike, go though any inspections.
march anything like that.

He bought his card....

---------------------------------------

I am getting a big kick out of this.
One thing for sure. You don't exactly "buy" your rating designation or
qualifications in the military.

Eisboch

"Tim" wrote in message
...
On Mar 11, 6:53 pm, HK wrote:
Tim wrote:
On Mar 11, 5:32 pm, Blazer wrote:
On Wed, 11 Mar 2009 15:33:28 -0400, "Eisboch"
wrote:

"HK" wrote in message
news:iImdnXRKV67nmiXUnZ2dnUVZ_srinZ2d@earthlink .com...
Oh, and when he plays golf, he likes to play on courses paid for
and
maintained by the taxpayers.
Blazer wrote:
Wow, you've really got it in for 'Herring'. Are you saying that
being a
soldier is a bad thing? And teaching? Do you think it's wrong for
someone
to play golf on a public golf
course? I've never heard of a 'free' public golf course, though. Do
they have them where you live?
D'oh.
You aren't a Loogy doppelganger, are you? You come across here just
as
stupid as he is. I think you are about ready for the filter dumpster.
No, dummy, I am not claiming being a soldier or a teacher is bad. I
have
great respect for teachers.
I have no respect, though, for turds like Herring who spend their
entire
life sucking on the taxpayers' teat and then whine about their
misconceptions regarding socialism.
Too subtle for you, right?
Blazer,
You apparently are relatively new here. Allow me to clarify Harry's
statements a bit.
JohnH was drafted into the Army but continued his education leading to
a
commission. He served honorably as a career Army officer including at
least
one tour (maybe more) in Vietnam.
As you are probably aware the pay scale in the military isn't the
highest in
the world. Certainly nowhere near the pay rates for even semi-skilled
union
workers in the auto industry. However, JohnH chose to make the
military a
career. Someone has to do it.
When you retire from the military after a minimum of 20 years, you
receive a
small pension plus certain lifetime benefits for health care and use
of
military facilities, including recreational activities such as
military
owned golf courses, etc. Not too different from benefits earned by
retired
union workers.
However, in Harry's mind people like JohnH who earned these benefits
while
earning much less than his civilian counterparts, "spend their entire
life
sucking on the taxpayers' teat.
Harry never served in the military.
Hopefully this helps you understand Harry a little more.
Eisboch
That clarifies a lot. Thank you.

BTW. John doesn't toot his own horn, But sort of will. He retired
honorably fromt he US Army with the rank of 0-5 which is Lieutenant
Colonel (Lt.C).

And even with years of service,"O" ranks are earned, not merely
given away.

No big whoop. Really.

Neither is paying 35 and 25 years worth of union dues.

How tough is that... pay your dues and you're in the union. Decide you want
to earn more, learn something and pass a test. I had to pass a test to get
my contractors license... big whoop, and never paid a dime in union dues.

--Mike

Tim wrote:
On Mar 11, 7:05 pm, HK wrote:
Tim wrote:
On Mar 11, 6:53 pm, HK wrote:
Tim wrote:
On Mar 11, 5:32 pm, Blazer wrote:
On Wed, 11 Mar 2009 15:33:28 -0400, "Eisboch"
wrote:
"HK" wrote in message
m...
Oh, and when he plays golf, he likes to play on courses paid for and
maintained by the taxpayers.
Blazer wrote:
Wow, you've really got it in for 'Herring'. Are you saying that being a
soldier is a bad thing? And teaching? Do you think it's wrong for someone
to play golf on a public golf
course? I've never heard of a 'free' public golf course, though. Do
they have them where you live?
D'oh.
You aren't a Loogy doppelganger, are you? You come across here just as
stupid as he is. I think you are about ready for the filter dumpster.
No, dummy, I am not claiming being a soldier or a teacher is bad. I have
great respect for teachers.
I have no respect, though, for turds like Herring who spend their entire
life sucking on the taxpayers' teat and then whine about their
misconceptions regarding socialism.
Too subtle for you, right?
Blazer,
You apparently are relatively new here. Allow me to clarify Harry's
statements a bit.
JohnH was drafted into the Army but continued his education leading to a
commission. He served honorably as a career Army officer including at least
one tour (maybe more) in Vietnam.
As you are probably aware the pay scale in the military isn't the highest in
the world. Certainly nowhere near the pay rates for even semi-skilled union
workers in the auto industry. However, JohnH chose to make the military a
career. Someone has to do it.
When you retire from the military after a minimum of 20 years, you receive a
small pension plus certain lifetime benefits for health care and use of
military facilities, including recreational activities such as military
owned golf courses, etc. Not too different from benefits earned by retired
union workers.
However, in Harry's mind people like JohnH who earned these benefits while
earning much less than his civilian counterparts, "spend their entire life
sucking on the taxpayers' teat.
Harry never served in the military.
Hopefully this helps you understand Harry a little more.
Eisboch
That clarifies a lot. Thank you.
BTW. John doesn't toot his own horn, But sort of will. He retired
honorably fromt he US Army with the rank of 0-5 which is Lieutenant
Colonel (Lt.C).
And even with years of service,"O" ranks are earned, not merely
given away.
No big whoop. Really.
Neither is paying 35 and 25 years worth of union dues.
I prefaced my remark by saying it had meaning for me and a couple of
others here.

I am sure, though, that it was tougher to get into my skilled tradesman
union than it was to get into the army.

I have a young cousin that is in the skilled carpenters union. he
builds scaffolds in power plants and makes 28-30.00 USD per hr. and in
many cases also gets a per diam.

he had tt take a pee test, but no hard physical... didn't have to go
through basic training, run miles, hike, go though any inspections.
march anything like that.

He bought his card....


And your cousin's alleged union experiences relate to mine in what way?

On Mar 11, 8:49*pm, HK wrote:
Tim wrote:
On Mar 11, 7:05 pm, HK wrote:
Tim wrote:
On Mar 11, 6:53 pm, HK wrote:
Tim wrote:
On Mar 11, 5:32 pm, Blazer wrote:
On Wed, 11 Mar 2009 15:33:28 -0400, "Eisboch"
wrote:
"HK" wrote in message
news:iImdnXRKV67nmiXUnZ2dnUVZ_srinZ2d@earth link.com...
Oh, and when he plays golf, he likes to play on courses paid for and
maintained by the taxpayers.
Blazer wrote:
Wow, you've really got it in for 'Herring'. Are you saying that being a
soldier is a bad thing? And teaching? Do you think it's wrong for someone
to play golf on a public golf
course? I've never heard of a 'free' public golf course, though.. Do
they have them where you live?
D'oh.
You aren't a Loogy doppelganger, are you? You come across here just as
stupid as he is. I think you are about ready for the filter dumpster.
No, dummy, I am not claiming being a soldier or a teacher is bad.. I have
great respect for teachers.
I have no respect, though, for turds like Herring who spend their entire
life sucking on the taxpayers' teat and then whine about their
misconceptions regarding socialism.
Too subtle for you, right?
Blazer,
You apparently are relatively new here. * Allow me to clarify Harry's
statements a bit.
JohnH was drafted into the Army but continued his education leading to a
commission. *He served honorably as a career Army officer including at least
one tour (maybe more) in Vietnam.
As you are probably aware the pay scale in the military isn't the highest in
the world. *Certainly nowhere near the pay rates for even semi-skilled union
workers in the auto industry. *However, JohnH chose to make the military a
career. *Someone has to do it.
When you retire from the military after a minimum of 20 years, you receive a
small pension plus certain lifetime benefits for health care and use of
military facilities, including recreational activities such as military
owned golf courses, etc. * Not too different from benefits earned by retired
union workers.
However, in Harry's mind people like JohnH who earned these benefits while
earning much less than his civilian counterparts, "spend their entire *life
sucking on the taxpayers' teat.
Harry never served in the military.
Hopefully this helps you understand Harry a little more.
Eisboch
That clarifies a lot. Thank you.
BTW. John doesn't toot his own horn, But *sort of will. He retired
honorably *fromt he US Army with the rank of 0-5 which is Lieutenant
Colonel (Lt.C).
*And even with years of service,"O" *ranks are earned, not merely
given away.
No big whoop. Really.
Neither is paying 35 and 25 years worth of union dues.
I prefaced my remark by saying it had meaning for me and a couple of
others here.

I am sure, though, that it was tougher to get into my skilled tradesman
union than it was to get into the army.

I have a young cousin that is in the skilled carpenters union. he
builds scaffolds in power plants and makes 28-30.00 USD per hr. and in
many cases also gets a per diam.

he had tt take a pee test, but no hard physical... didn't have to go
through basic training, run miles, hike, go though any inspections.
march anything like that.

He bought his card....

And your cousin's alleged union experiences relate to mine in what way?

"I am sure, though, that it was tougher to get into my skilled
tradesman union than it was to get into the army. "

Tim wrote:
On Mar 11, 8:49 pm, HK wrote:
Tim wrote:
On Mar 11, 7:05 pm, HK wrote:
Tim wrote:
On Mar 11, 6:53 pm, HK wrote:
Tim wrote:
On Mar 11, 5:32 pm, Blazer wrote:
On Wed, 11 Mar 2009 15:33:28 -0400, "Eisboch"
wrote:
"HK" wrote in message
m...
Oh, and when he plays golf, he likes to play on courses paid for and
maintained by the taxpayers.
Blazer wrote:
Wow, you've really got it in for 'Herring'. Are you saying that being a
soldier is a bad thing? And teaching? Do you think it's wrong for someone
to play golf on a public golf
course? I've never heard of a 'free' public golf course, though. Do
they have them where you live?
D'oh.
You aren't a Loogy doppelganger, are you? You come across here just as
stupid as he is. I think you are about ready for the filter dumpster.
No, dummy, I am not claiming being a soldier or a teacher is bad. I have
great respect for teachers.
I have no respect, though, for turds like Herring who spend their entire
life sucking on the taxpayers' teat and then whine about their
misconceptions regarding socialism.
Too subtle for you, right?
Blazer,
You apparently are relatively new here. Allow me to clarify Harry's
statements a bit.
JohnH was drafted into the Army but continued his education leading to a
commission. He served honorably as a career Army officer including at least
one tour (maybe more) in Vietnam.
As you are probably aware the pay scale in the military isn't the highest in
the world. Certainly nowhere near the pay rates for even semi-skilled union
workers in the auto industry. However, JohnH chose to make the military a
career. Someone has to do it.
When you retire from the military after a minimum of 20 years, you receive a
small pension plus certain lifetime benefits for health care and use of
military facilities, including recreational activities such as military
owned golf courses, etc. Not too different from benefits earned by retired
union workers.
However, in Harry's mind people like JohnH who earned these benefits while
earning much less than his civilian counterparts, "spend their entire life
sucking on the taxpayers' teat.
Harry never served in the military.
Hopefully this helps you understand Harry a little more.
Eisboch
That clarifies a lot. Thank you.
BTW. John doesn't toot his own horn, But sort of will. He retired
honorably fromt he US Army with the rank of 0-5 which is Lieutenant
Colonel (Lt.C).
And even with years of service,"O" ranks are earned, not merely
given away.
No big whoop. Really.
Neither is paying 35 and 25 years worth of union dues.
I prefaced my remark by saying it had meaning for me and a couple of
others here.
I am sure, though, that it was tougher to get into my skilled tradesman
union than it was to get into the army.
I have a young cousin that is in the skilled carpenters union. he
builds scaffolds in power plants and makes 28-30.00 USD per hr. and in
many cases also gets a per diam.
he had tt take a pee test, but no hard physical... didn't have to go
through basic training, run miles, hike, go though any inspections.
march anything like that.
He bought his card....
And your cousin's alleged union experiences relate to mine in what way?

"I am sure, though, that it was tougher to get into my skilled
tradesman union than it was to get into the army. "


Well, Tim, I'm not a member of the carpenter's union. No one in my local
bought his card.

"HK" wrote in message
m...
Tim wrote:
On Mar 11, 8:49 pm, HK wrote:
Tim wrote:
On Mar 11, 7:05 pm, HK wrote:
Tim wrote:
On Mar 11, 6:53 pm, HK wrote:
Tim wrote:
On Mar 11, 5:32 pm, Blazer wrote:
On Wed, 11 Mar 2009 15:33:28 -0400, "Eisboch"
wrote:
"HK" wrote in message
m...
Oh, and when he plays golf, he likes to play on courses paid
for and
maintained by the taxpayers.
Blazer wrote:
Wow, you've really got it in for 'Herring'. Are you saying that
being a
soldier is a bad thing? And teaching? Do you think it's wrong
for someone
to play golf on a public golf
course? I've never heard of a 'free' public golf course,
though. Do
they have them where you live?
D'oh.
You aren't a Loogy doppelganger, are you? You come across here
just as
stupid as he is. I think you are about ready for the filter
dumpster.
No, dummy, I am not claiming being a soldier or a teacher is
bad. I have
great respect for teachers.
I have no respect, though, for turds like Herring who spend
their entire
life sucking on the taxpayers' teat and then whine about their
misconceptions regarding socialism.
Too subtle for you, right?
Blazer,
You apparently are relatively new here. Allow me to clarify
Harry's
statements a bit.
JohnH was drafted into the Army but continued his education
leading to a
commission. He served honorably as a career Army officer
including at least
one tour (maybe more) in Vietnam.
As you are probably aware the pay scale in the military isn't the
highest in
the world. Certainly nowhere near the pay rates for even
semi-skilled union
workers in the auto industry. However, JohnH chose to make the
military a
career. Someone has to do it.
When you retire from the military after a minimum of 20 years,
you receive a
small pension plus certain lifetime benefits for health care and
use of
military facilities, including recreational activities such as
military
owned golf courses, etc. Not too different from benefits earned
by retired
union workers.
However, in Harry's mind people like JohnH who earned these
benefits while
earning much less than his civilian counterparts, "spend their
entire life
sucking on the taxpayers' teat.
Harry never served in the military.
Hopefully this helps you understand Harry a little more.
Eisboch
That clarifies a lot. Thank you.
BTW. John doesn't toot his own horn, But sort of will. He retired
honorably fromt he US Army with the rank of 0-5 which is
Lieutenant
Colonel (Lt.C).
And even with years of service,"O" ranks are earned, not merely
given away.
No big whoop. Really.
Neither is paying 35 and 25 years worth of union dues.
I prefaced my remark by saying it had meaning for me and a couple of
others here.
I am sure, though, that it was tougher to get into my skilled
tradesman
union than it was to get into the army.
I have a young cousin that is in the skilled carpenters union. he
builds scaffolds in power plants and makes 28-30.00 USD per hr. and in
many cases also gets a per diam.
he had tt take a pee test, but no hard physical... didn't have to go
through basic training, run miles, hike, go though any inspections.
march anything like that.
He bought his card....
And your cousin's alleged union experiences relate to mine in what way?

"I am sure, though, that it was tougher to get into my skilled
tradesman union than it was to get into the army. "


Well, Tim, I'm not a member of the carpenter's union. No one in my local
bought his card.

30 years in the union, did not work as a bricklayer. Hard to get into and
stay in a union. Huh?

"Calif Bill" wrote in message
m...

"HK" wrote in message
m...
Tim wrote:
On Mar 11, 8:49 pm, HK wrote:
Tim wrote:
On Mar 11, 7:05 pm, HK wrote:
Tim wrote:
On Mar 11, 6:53 pm, HK wrote:
Tim wrote:
On Mar 11, 5:32 pm, Blazer wrote:
On Wed, 11 Mar 2009 15:33:28 -0400, "Eisboch"
wrote:
"HK" wrote in message
m...
Oh, and when he plays golf, he likes to play on courses paid
for and
maintained by the taxpayers.
Blazer wrote:
Wow, you've really got it in for 'Herring'. Are you saying
that being a
soldier is a bad thing? And teaching? Do you think it's wrong
for someone
to play golf on a public golf
course? I've never heard of a 'free' public golf course,
though. Do
they have them where you live?
D'oh.
You aren't a Loogy doppelganger, are you? You come across here
just as
stupid as he is. I think you are about ready for the filter
dumpster.
No, dummy, I am not claiming being a soldier or a teacher is
bad. I have
great respect for teachers.
I have no respect, though, for turds like Herring who spend
their entire
life sucking on the taxpayers' teat and then whine about their
misconceptions regarding socialism.
Too subtle for you, right?
Blazer,
You apparently are relatively new here. Allow me to clarify
Harry's
statements a bit.
JohnH was drafted into the Army but continued his education
leading to a
commission. He served honorably as a career Army officer
including at least
one tour (maybe more) in Vietnam.
As you are probably aware the pay scale in the military isn't
the highest in
the world. Certainly nowhere near the pay rates for even
semi-skilled union
workers in the auto industry. However, JohnH chose to make the
military a
career. Someone has to do it.
When you retire from the military after a minimum of 20 years,
you receive a
small pension plus certain lifetime benefits for health care and
use of
military facilities, including recreational activities such as
military
owned golf courses, etc. Not too different from benefits
earned by retired
union workers.
However, in Harry's mind people like JohnH who earned these
benefits while
earning much less than his civilian counterparts, "spend their
entire life
sucking on the taxpayers' teat.
Harry never served in the military.
Hopefully this helps you understand Harry a little more.
Eisboch
That clarifies a lot. Thank you.
BTW. John doesn't toot his own horn, But sort of will. He retired
honorably fromt he US Army with the rank of 0-5 which is
Lieutenant
Colonel (Lt.C).
And even with years of service,"O" ranks are earned, not merely
given away.
No big whoop. Really.
Neither is paying 35 and 25 years worth of union dues.
I prefaced my remark by saying it had meaning for me and a couple of
others here.
I am sure, though, that it was tougher to get into my skilled
tradesman
union than it was to get into the army.
I have a young cousin that is in the skilled carpenters union. he
builds scaffolds in power plants and makes 28-30.00 USD per hr. and in
many cases also gets a per diam.
he had tt take a pee test, but no hard physical... didn't have to go
through basic training, run miles, hike, go though any inspections.
march anything like that.
He bought his card....
And your cousin's alleged union experiences relate to mine in what way?

"I am sure, though, that it was tougher to get into my skilled
tradesman union than it was to get into the army. "


Well, Tim, I'm not a member of the carpenter's union. No one in my local
bought his card.

30 years in the union, did not work as a bricklayer. Hard to get into and
stay in a union. Huh?


Naaa, he's part of the Service Employees International Union... you know,
janitors. That practical test he had to take involved wringing a floor mop
without spilling too much water on the floor. I'm actually surprised he
passed that exam. Of course, he *is* well known around here as a liar...

--Mike

On Wed, 11 Mar 2009 19:22:25 -0400, HK wrote:

Eisboch wrote:

"HK" wrote in message
m...


That's right. I have no objection to government employees, be they
civilian or military. Nor do I object to their benefits or pensions. I
think every working American should be entitled to a defined benefit
pension and everyone here should have access to good health care.


Then why do you continue to claim he "lived off the government teat all
his working career?"



Because of his drooling about socialism, which he does not understand,
and his racist ravings.





My problem with Herring is his hypocrisy and his racism. Perhaps you
don't remember the insults he threw at his students at a predominately
black school, or the insult he threw at his Latino neighbors. I do.


I don't recall him saying anything I would consider racist. The problem
today is that many on the left consider any negative comment made about
an action or an issue involving a minority as racism. It's the
"politically correct", elitist thing to think, you know.

Eisboch


I recall them well, and so do others.

I guess I opened a real can of worms when I asked you a couple
questions. I am surprised that you consider getting a union card and
spending a lot of time paying union dues the equivalent of being in
the military. I also spent some time in the military, and I had to
take a test before I was trained in my specialty. In fact, we took a
whole battery of tests, for an entire day. Then I was told I would be
an Artillery Fire Direction Control specialist. Lots of math, slide
rules, and noise. It took 8 weeks to complete basic training, learning
to march, shoot, crawl, repair wounds, live through a gas attack, and
so on. Then there was another 8 weeks of training in Artillery Fire
Direction Control. After that was another 8-10 weeks of Basic Unit
Training followed by another 8 weeks of Advanced Unit Training. Of
course, testing was done at the end of each phase of training. Once
finished, the unit was put on a ship in Boston Harbor, and it sailed
to Vietnam.

When you say, "I recall them well, and so do others," to what others
are you referring? Do you mean Don White, salty, and slammer? It seems
like those guys are the only ones who believe much of anything you
say. You seem to have earned a bunch of animosity here, and I guess I
can understand that.

I guess the old saying, "You get what you pay for," applies to
animosity also, huh?

Well, you have a good day.

BTW, why do several people use the term 'WAFA' regarding you, and what
does it mean?

Calif Bill wrote:
"HK" wrote in message
m...
Tim wrote:
On Mar 11, 8:49 pm, HK wrote:
Tim wrote:
On Mar 11, 7:05 pm, HK wrote:
Tim wrote:
On Mar 11, 6:53 pm, HK wrote:
Tim wrote:
On Mar 11, 5:32 pm, Blazer wrote:
On Wed, 11 Mar 2009 15:33:28 -0400, "Eisboch"
wrote:
"HK" wrote in message
m...
Oh, and when he plays golf, he likes to play on courses paid
for and
maintained by the taxpayers.
Blazer wrote:
Wow, you've really got it in for 'Herring'. Are you saying that
being a
soldier is a bad thing? And teaching? Do you think it's wrong
for someone
to play golf on a public golf
course? I've never heard of a 'free' public golf course,
though. Do
they have them where you live?
D'oh.
You aren't a Loogy doppelganger, are you? You come across here
just as
stupid as he is. I think you are about ready for the filter
dumpster.
No, dummy, I am not claiming being a soldier or a teacher is
bad. I have
great respect for teachers.
I have no respect, though, for turds like Herring who spend
their entire
life sucking on the taxpayers' teat and then whine about their
misconceptions regarding socialism.
Too subtle for you, right?
Blazer,
You apparently are relatively new here. Allow me to clarify
Harry's
statements a bit.
JohnH was drafted into the Army but continued his education
leading to a
commission. He served honorably as a career Army officer
including at least
one tour (maybe more) in Vietnam.
As you are probably aware the pay scale in the military isn't the
highest in
the world. Certainly nowhere near the pay rates for even
semi-skilled union
workers in the auto industry. However, JohnH chose to make the
military a
career. Someone has to do it.
When you retire from the military after a minimum of 20 years,
you receive a
small pension plus certain lifetime benefits for health care and
use of
military facilities, including recreational activities such as
military
owned golf courses, etc. Not too different from benefits earned
by retired
union workers.
However, in Harry's mind people like JohnH who earned these
benefits while
earning much less than his civilian counterparts, "spend their
entire life
sucking on the taxpayers' teat.
Harry never served in the military.
Hopefully this helps you understand Harry a little more.
Eisboch
That clarifies a lot. Thank you.
BTW. John doesn't toot his own horn, But sort of will. He retired
honorably fromt he US Army with the rank of 0-5 which is
Lieutenant
Colonel (Lt.C).
And even with years of service,"O" ranks are earned, not merely
given away.
No big whoop. Really.
Neither is paying 35 and 25 years worth of union dues.
I prefaced my remark by saying it had meaning for me and a couple of
others here.
I am sure, though, that it was tougher to get into my skilled
tradesman
union than it was to get into the army.
I have a young cousin that is in the skilled carpenters union. he
builds scaffolds in power plants and makes 28-30.00 USD per hr. and in
many cases also gets a per diam.
he had tt take a pee test, but no hard physical... didn't have to go
through basic training, run miles, hike, go though any inspections.
march anything like that.
He bought his card....
And your cousin's alleged union experiences relate to mine in what way?
"I am sure, though, that it was tougher to get into my skilled
tradesman union than it was to get into the army. "

Well, Tim, I'm not a member of the carpenter's union. No one in my local
bought his card.

30 years in the union, did not work as a bricklayer. Hard to get into and
stay in a union. Huh?



I'm not a member of the bricklayer's union, bilious. Never said or
implied I was. Once again, your logic has failed you.