Eisboch wrote:

"John H" wrote in message
...

Obama could have stopped paying for Iraq in two weeks. Any future
costs are his baby.
--


You have to realize that those who like to claim a 2 trillion dollar
cost for the war in Iraq are using creative accounting techniques so
suit their agendas. So far it has cost about 640-650 billion. (not
that that's exactly chump change).

The 2 trillion is a "projected cost" of maintaining the military in
combat operations through 2019, a date that both Bush and Obama rejected.

If Obama exits Iraq in accordance with his new time table, it will be
generally in agreement with the timetable that Bush established during
the last four months of his administration.

Some things don't change.

Eisboch


It's actually higher than $2 trillion when you factor in such things as
service-related injuries and illnesses resulting from Bush's Folly.

On Sat, 7 Mar 2009 19:37:08 -0500, "Eisboch"
wrote:


"John H" wrote in message
.. .

Obama could have stopped paying for Iraq in two weeks. Any future
costs are his baby.
--


You have to realize that those who like to claim a 2 trillion dollar cost
for the war in Iraq are using creative accounting techniques so suit their
agendas. So far it has cost about 640-650 billion. (not that that's
exactly chump change).

The 2 trillion is a "projected cost" of maintaining the military in combat
operations through 2019, a date that both Bush and Obama rejected.


What happens when you factor in the costs of medical care for
returning vets, and keeping their families afloat? Tack on another
Trillion, easily - not to mention the loss of a lot of thousands of
productive lives, who will now be using resources rather than creating
them. Maybe tack on 2 trillion.

On Sat, 7 Mar 2009 19:37:08 -0500, "Eisboch"
wrote:


"John H" wrote in message
.. .

Obama could have stopped paying for Iraq in two weeks. Any future
costs are his baby.
--


You have to realize that those who like to claim a 2 trillion dollar cost
for the war in Iraq are using creative accounting techniques so suit their
agendas. So far it has cost about 640-650 billion. (not that that's
exactly chump change).

The 2 trillion is a "projected cost" of maintaining the military in combat
operations through 2019, a date that both Bush and Obama rejected.

If Obama exits Iraq in accordance with his new time table, it will be
generally in agreement with the timetable that Bush established during the
last four months of his administration.

Some things don't change.

Eisboch

Which is why it's such a shame to see one with your intellect and
understanding wasting his time with the likes of Krause. Krause isn't
interested in another's honest opinion. When presented with a decent
argument his response is name-calling or personal insults, both of
which you've recieved.

He will not engage in a head-to-head discussion, because his positions
(anti-Bush, anti-corp, anti-everything) are untenable. Just as the
liberals are deflecting the focus off the economy, by using Rush,
Harry deflects *any* argument getting close to home with his hate-Bush
or hate-corporation rhetoric.

Some things don't change.
--
John H

"The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those
who are willing to work and give to those who would not."
Thomas Jefferson

"Jim" wrote in message
m...
John H wrote:
http://tinyurl.com/br3c3a
--
John H

"The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those
who are willing to work and give to those who would not." Thomas
Jefferson


Don't remember you complaining about Bush giving Wall Street bags of money
with no accountability.

Which is probably worse than socialism. Or maybe is what socialism
actually is.

I call it corrupt-socialism. The rouse is socialism to make it look like it
benefits the people, but lines the pockets of the corporate welfare greed
lines. Sort of like taxation endentured slavery of the masses getting
milked for the elite and aristocracy.

Canuck57 wrote:
"Jim" wrote in message
m...
John H wrote:
http://tinyurl.com/br3c3a
--
John H

"The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those
who are willing to work and give to those who would not." Thomas
Jefferson

Don't remember you complaining about Bush giving Wall Street bags of money
with no accountability.

Which is probably worse than socialism. Or maybe is what socialism
actually is.

I call it corrupt-socialism. The rouse is socialism to make it look like it
benefits the people, but lines the pockets of the corporate welfare greed
lines. Sort of like taxation endentured slavery of the masses getting
milked for the elite and aristocracy.


But it's so much fun accusing Democrats of being Socialists. You have
to be smart enough to know what some of the above words and concepts mean.

Not as fun and easy as yelling "Socialist!"

Jim wrote:
Canuck57 wrote:
"Jim" wrote in message
m...
John H wrote:
http://tinyurl.com/br3c3a
--
John H

"The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those
who are willing to work and give to those who would not." Thomas
Jefferson

Don't remember you complaining about Bush giving Wall Street bags of
money with no accountability.

Which is probably worse than socialism. Or maybe is what socialism
actually is.

I call it corrupt-socialism. The rouse is socialism to make it look
like it benefits the people, but lines the pockets of the corporate
welfare greed lines. Sort of like taxation endentured slavery of the
masses getting milked for the elite and aristocracy.

But it's so much fun accusing Democrats of being Socialists. You have
to be smart enough to know what some of the above words and concepts mean.

Not as fun and easy as yelling "Socialist!"


Survey sez 97.4% of righties have no idea what socialism is.

HK wrote:
Jim wrote:
Canuck57 wrote:
"Jim" wrote in message
m...
John H wrote:
http://tinyurl.com/br3c3a
--
John H

"The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those
who are willing to work and give to those who would not." Thomas
Jefferson

Don't remember you complaining about Bush giving Wall Street bags of
money with no accountability.

Which is probably worse than socialism. Or maybe is what socialism
actually is.

I call it corrupt-socialism. The rouse is socialism to make it look
like it benefits the people, but lines the pockets of the corporate
welfare greed lines. Sort of like taxation endentured slavery of the
masses getting milked for the elite and aristocracy.

But it's so much fun accusing Democrats of being Socialists. You have
to be smart enough to know what some of the above words and concepts
mean.

Not as fun and easy as yelling "Socialist!"


Survey sez 97.4% of righties have no idea what socialism is.

Educate us. What is your definition of socialism?

On Mar 7, 1:52*pm, HK wrote:
Jim wrote:
Canuck57 wrote:
"Jim" wrote in message
news:E6mdnR9XZt0CJS_UnZ2dnUVZ_rHinZ2d@earthlink. com...
John H wrote:
http://tinyurl.com/br3c3a
--
John H

"The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those
who are willing to work and give to those who would not." *Thomas
Jefferson

Don't remember you complaining about Bush giving Wall Street bags of
money with no accountability.

Which is probably worse than socialism. *Or maybe is what socialism
actually is.

I call it corrupt-socialism. *The rouse is socialism to make it look
like it benefits the people, but lines the pockets of the corporate
welfare greed lines. *Sort of like taxation endentured slavery of the
masses getting milked for the elite and aristocracy.

But it's so much fun accusing Democrats of being Socialists. *You have
to be smart enough to know what some of the above words and concepts mean.

Not as fun and easy as yelling "Socialist!"

Survey sez 97.4% of righties have no idea what socialism is.

What's the survey on lefties say, Harry?

"HK" wrote in message
m...
Jim wrote:
Canuck57 wrote:
"Jim" wrote in message
m...
John H wrote:
http://tinyurl.com/br3c3a
--
John H

"The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those
who are willing to work and give to those who would not." Thomas
Jefferson

Don't remember you complaining about Bush giving Wall Street bags of
money with no accountability.

Which is probably worse than socialism. Or maybe is what socialism
actually is.

I call it corrupt-socialism. The rouse is socialism to make it look
like it benefits the people, but lines the pockets of the corporate
welfare greed lines. Sort of like taxation endentured slavery of the
masses getting milked for the elite and aristocracy.

But it's so much fun accusing Democrats of being Socialists. You have to
be smart enough to know what some of the above words and concepts mean.

Not as fun and easy as yelling "Socialist!"


Survey sez 97.4% of righties have no idea what socialism is.

Neither do socialists. There is not one single successful true socialist
society ever! Even meak attempts fail outright, usually for two important
reasons. Corruption, you still have a aristocracy enslaving others by the
guise of socialism and persuit of power over others. Second is economic, no
one has figured out how to pay for it in a sustainable way.

Even lefties are hypocrits here.

"Jim" wrote in message
m...
Canuck57 wrote:
"Jim" wrote in message
m...
John H wrote:
http://tinyurl.com/br3c3a
--
John H

"The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those
who are willing to work and give to those who would not." Thomas
Jefferson

Don't remember you complaining about Bush giving Wall Street bags of
money with no accountability.

Which is probably worse than socialism. Or maybe is what socialism
actually is.

I call it corrupt-socialism. The rouse is socialism to make it look like
it benefits the people, but lines the pockets of the corporate welfare
greed lines. Sort of like taxation endentured slavery of the masses
getting milked for the elite and aristocracy.
But it's so much fun accusing Democrats of being Socialists. You have to
be smart enough to know what some of the above words and concepts mean.

Not as fun and easy as yelling "Socialist!"

Agreed, I used it liberally in a broad scope. But none the less socialism
such as wealth-bailout distribution is a socialist concept. Take from those
that have done things right to provide to those who did not is socialism.