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Do you have one?
How is it secured to the boat?
What's in it?
Still thinking of the recent GOM tragedy.
It's easy to say "Can't happen to me."
Wrong. Many ways for a boat to capsize, even close to shore.
Then the wind/currents can take you to sea before anybody
notices.
How do you prepare for that?
Gfretwell, I know you would just walk into the mangroves, but
you've probably given it some thought since you've done other boating.
Wayne, I'm interested in your ditch bag on the big boat, and if you
carry a bag in the dinghy. since you've mentioned you travel in it far
from the boat.
Anybody else have thoughts on it of care to comment?
Beyond an EPIRB, will a VHF be useful if the ditch bag gets
soaked. Is a VHF any good at water lever?
Is a hard case buoyant ditch bag the way to go?

--Vic

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On Thu, 05 Mar 2009 18:38:42 -0600, Vic Smith
wrote:

Good questions.

Do you have one?

Yes.

How is it secured to the boat?

It's stowed next to the life raft in a locker on the flybridge.

What's in it?

Flares. Dye packets. Extra food (granola bar type stuff) and water.
Hand held VHF radios are stored next to the EPIRB ready to go.

Still thinking of the recent GOM tragedy.
It's easy to say "Can't happen to me."
Wrong. Many ways for a boat to capsize, even close to shore.
Then the wind/currents can take you to sea before anybody
notices.
How do you prepare for that?

Small boat? Good anchor with at least 100 to 200 ft of line. Life
jackets either worn or readily at hand depending on conditions.
Water proof handheld VHF and extra water.

Gfretwell, I know you would just walk into the mangroves, but
you've probably given it some thought since you've done other boating.

Wayne, I'm interested in your ditch bag on the big boat, and if you
carry a bag in the dinghy. since you've mentioned you travel in it far
from the boat.

See above. If we were sinking in the big boat we'd try to take the
dinghy, the life raft, ditch bag and the EPIRB.

The most important gear in the dinghy are an anchor with suitable
rode, extra water, sunscreen and a handheld VHF, maybe flares if
conditions are really gnarly but you shouldn't be out there in that
case.

Anybody else have thoughts on it of care to comment?
Beyond an EPIRB, will a VHF be useful if the ditch bag gets
soaked. Is a VHF any good at water lever?

Yes and yes. The better handheld VHFs by ICOM and Standard are all
claimed to be waterproof. We always carry one in the dinghy.
Aircraft can hear a handheld VHF at distances over 20 miles, boats
about 3 to 5 miles.

Is a hard case buoyant ditch bag the way to go?

Soft bag will do fine if contents are water resistant. We use zip
lock bags for the food, some buoyancy there.

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On Thu, 05 Mar 2009 23:32:09 -0500, wrote:

Basically if you can keep yourself hydrated and keep your head above
water you can live for days and not be in too much trouble if the fish
don't eat you.

Big "if" around here. They don't call it Little Shark River for
nothing, and then there are the alligators and crocs. It's better to
stay in the boat. Do you have gators back in Estero Bay and the
mangrove areas near you?

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On Thu, 05 Mar 2009 23:32:09 -0500, wrote:


I am a lot better prepared than those boys and I seldom go past the
gulf road bridge.

That's the worst part of it - how unprepared they were.
Looked like the boat even had radar, if that's a dome on the T-top.
Maybe had a real good VHF aboard too.
But when they flipped the were basically defenseless.
Not even a light. The survivor said there was a chopper overhead the
first night.

I have 2 boxes on board with a good amount of survival gear in each
(duplicated)
If nothing else the boxes are something to hang onto. They are double
wall plastic and float quite well. If I was serious about them being a
real "ditch" thing I would shoot the cavity full of foam. They are
really just where I store my gear, 2 extra seats and where my dog
rides to keep watch. I keep 4 vests in each one (2 in each have
strobes and whistles), a fire extinguisher, first aid kit, flashlights
and lots of bottled water, jackets, towels, flares and line.
The boxes are tied in but easy to free.
That is in addition to my mini-survival kit I have in and on my
console. Another fire extinguisher, a boy scout compass, Leatherman,
more flares, another floating flashlight, a real good horn that you
just blow and a couple lighters (Castaway would have been an hour
shorter if Tom Hanks had a lighter).
It would be fairly easy to sling a "hammock" between those boxes, rig
some shade with the beach towels (I picked the most garish colors) and
wait for the Coasties

All this and I don't go anywhere. If I really went offshore in the
winter I would have survival suits and at least one EPIRB.

Oh Did I say "a lot of water"?

I was impressed by the North Atlantic during my hitch in the Coast
Guard and I have a lot of respect for cold water.
You can get away with a lot more in 85 degree water than when it is 68
or less (the temperature that will kill a manatee)
Basically if you can keep yourself hydrated and keep your head above
water you can live for days and not be in too much trouble if the fish
don't eat you.

After some thought I've reached a couple conclusions.
First of course, don't EVER get your boat in water too big for it.
Second, if you're going offshore, it's just good sense to have a life
raft. Some will call it overkill on a small boat and I won't argue.
But for me seeing that slick hull barely afloat and 3 guys dead in
"relatively" warm water says a raft isn't overkill.
Sure, the best ones are expensive, and are a bit bulky and heavy.
But offshore is offshore, and life is life.
I just believe in redundancy where safety is concerned, and preparing
for conditions.
And any boat that's offshore-capable has capacity for a raft.
Of course the ditch bag, EPIRB, etc, is critical, but if you think
life raft first that naturally brings up ditch bag issues like
contents and availability.
Anyway, that's how I approach it in my thinking.
Another important thing is how fast it all goes bad.
One minute all is pretty "normal," and the next second you're in the
drink. Waves don't even have to be big to tip a smallish boat if a
heavy passenger load gets it unbalanced.
Bigger boats like Wayne's probably can't behave like this unless taken
to conditions Wayne won't go to.
Reminds me of a trip Chuck reported on in his trawler that he was a
bit uncomfortable with, but that's another story.
Life raft stowage and deployment for this smaller type boat needs some
serious thought. You don't want it auto-inflating under the boat.
No suitable superstructure to attach it to I think.
The Everglades boat looked a bit top-heavy anyway, and rafts look to
be about 60-100 lbs, depending.
It was reported that one guy swam under the boat to retrieve vests,
and for this type boat that's probably how you would retrieve the
life raft canister/bag and ditch bag if it flipped suddenly.
Those should be firmly secured but easily released by a swimmer.
Just musing here, but when I get my boat I'll be giving safety more
thought than anything else - except for my tackle box maybe (-:.
BTW, I found this site to be pretty interesting.
http://www.equipped.org/home.htm

--Vic

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On Fri, 06 Mar 2009 05:01:01 -0600, Vic Smith
wrote:

The Everglades boat looked a bit top-heavy anyway, and rafts look to
be about 60-100 lbs, depending.

It is ironic that very few boats under 35 ft carry life rafts but they
are the ones that most need them. There are soft pack rafts that
weigh less than 50 lbs. All life rafts however have a significant
hidden expense: They must be repacked and recertified every 1 to 3
years depending on the manufacturer and model.

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"Wayne.B" wrote in message
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On Fri, 06 Mar 2009 05:01:01 -0600, Vic Smith
wrote:

The Everglades boat looked a bit top-heavy anyway, and rafts look to
be about 60-100 lbs, depending.

It is ironic that very few boats under 35 ft carry life rafts but they
are the ones that most need them. There are soft pack rafts that
weigh less than 50 lbs. All life rafts however have a significant
hidden expense: They must be repacked and recertified every 1 to 3
years depending on the manufacturer and model.


Repacking and recertification is legally required only if the boat is
chartered for hire.
If used on a private, recreational boat it is still a good idea to have them
repacked, but not really necessary every year.

Eisboch

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On Fri, 06 Mar 2009 09:12:56 -0500, HK wrote:

wrote:
On Fri, 06 Mar 2009 08:24:08 -0500, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Fri, 06 Mar 2009 05:01:01 -0600, Vic Smith
wrote:

The Everglades boat looked a bit top-heavy anyway, and rafts look to
be about 60-100 lbs, depending.
It is ironic that very few boats under 35 ft carry life rafts but they
are the ones that most need them. There are soft pack rafts that
weigh less than 50 lbs. All life rafts however have a significant
hidden expense: They must be repacked and recertified every 1 to 3
years depending on the manufacturer and model.

It's part of the same logic that leads people to think that a smaller
boat needs smaller bilgepumps.




Indeed.

One aspect of the Parkers I've owned that I appreciated is their
bone-dry bilges. Unless I open a hatch and pour water down into it, I
don't seem to get any water into the bilges of my 21-footer. There's no
liner. I supposed if I started filling up the center console, at some
point water would go down the rigging tubes into the bilge, but that
doesn't happen a whole lot.

So far the only person who has said he carries a life raft is Wayne.
Expected given the size of his boat.
Gfretwell doesn't go offshore - I think.
But though it appears to be a good idea carrying one if you go
offshore, I expect hardly any small boaters will equip them.
What sold me the most on it being a good idea is that it would have
saved the football guys from what killed them - hypothermia.
And in not really cold water.
Guess it just depends on your outlook about boating safety.

--Vic

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"Vic Smith" wrote in message
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So far the only person who has said he carries a life raft is Wayne.
Expected given the size of his boat.
Gfretwell doesn't go offshore - I think.
But though it appears to be a good idea carrying one if you go
offshore, I expect hardly any small boaters will equip them.
What sold me the most on it being a good idea is that it would have
saved the football guys from what killed them - hypothermia.
And in not really cold water.
Guess it just depends on your outlook about boating safety.

--Vic



I had USCG approved survival pods on the last three boats I've had, but as
of yet have not put one on the current boat. (Mainly because I am not sure
I am going to keep it). The Egg, the Navigator and the GB all had the
fiberglass canisters that automatically deployed when the sensor was
submerged. All were four man except the one on the Navigator which was a
six man raft.

They ain't cheap. Switlik now markets a series of rafts that although not
USCG approved, appear to be very similar to the approved types and are about
half the cost. They are probably ideal for the recreational, non-commercial
boater.

If I were to do any long range cruising, I'd install one on the current
boat, along with a new EPIRB, but I don't see that happening at the moment.

Eisboch

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On Fri, 6 Mar 2009 08:30:43 -0500, "Eisboch"
wrote:


"Wayne.B" wrote in message
.. .
On Fri, 06 Mar 2009 05:01:01 -0600, Vic Smith
wrote:

The Everglades boat looked a bit top-heavy anyway, and rafts look to
be about 60-100 lbs, depending.

It is ironic that very few boats under 35 ft carry life rafts but they
are the ones that most need them. There are soft pack rafts that
weigh less than 50 lbs. All life rafts however have a significant
hidden expense: They must be repacked and recertified every 1 to 3
years depending on the manufacturer and model.


Repacking and recertification is legally required only if the boat is
chartered for hire.
If used on a private, recreational boat it is still a good idea to have them
repacked, but not really necessary every year.

If certification is not required, you can do it yourself. Like
parachutes. Everyone packs the one they plan to land with.
The reserve is, like the one on an ejection seat, an emergency rig,
and must be packed, and signed off by, a licenced rigger.
If there is no regulation, you can roll your own, somewhat. Like
annually changing the 100 AA batteries. The VHF and GPS are always in
the PFD pockets, of course.

Casady

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On Mar 6, 11:06*am, HK wrote:
wrote:
On Fri, 06 Mar 2009 10:18:11 -0500, HK wrote:

wrote:
On Fri, 06 Mar 2009 09:12:56 -0500, HK wrote:

wrote:
On Fri, 06 Mar 2009 08:24:08 -0500, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Fri, 06 Mar 2009 05:01:01 -0600, Vic Smith
wrote:

The Everglades boat looked a bit top-heavy anyway, and rafts look to
be about 60-100 lbs, depending.
It is ironic that very few boats under 35 ft carry life rafts but they
are the ones that most need them. * *There are soft pack rafts that
weigh less than 50 lbs. * All life rafts however have a significant
hidden expense: They must be repacked and recertified every 1 to 3
years depending on the manufacturer and model.
It's part of the same logic that leads people to think that a smaller
boat needs smaller bilgepumps.

Indeed.

One aspect of the Parkers I've owned that I appreciated is their
bone-dry bilges. Unless I open a hatch and pour water down into it, I
don't seem to get any water into the bilges of my 21-footer. There's no
liner. I supposed if I started filling up the center console, at some
point water would go down the rigging tubes into the bilge, but that
doesn't happen a whole lot.

???

What does that have to do with what I said?

No water in the bilge for the bilge pumps to pump out. I've got two
bilge pumps in my Parker, and they never get any exercise unless while
the boat is on the trailer and the bow is up in the air, I pour a couple
of buckets of water into the bilge. I use a lot of water to wash out the
boat after each use, and the bilge is always bone dry afterwards. I
know, because I keep an eye on the drain plug opening.

You are still completely disconnected from the subject.

Sorry. I guess I'm too oblique here.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

You're hideously obese, too.

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"Vic Smith" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 06 Mar 2009 09:12:56 -0500, HK wrote:

wrote:
On Fri, 06 Mar 2009 08:24:08 -0500, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Fri, 06 Mar 2009 05:01:01 -0600, Vic Smith
wrote:

The Everglades boat looked a bit top-heavy anyway, and rafts look to
be about 60-100 lbs, depending.
It is ironic that very few boats under 35 ft carry life rafts but they
are the ones that most need them. There are soft pack rafts that
weigh less than 50 lbs. All life rafts however have a significant
hidden expense: They must be repacked and recertified every 1 to 3
years depending on the manufacturer and model.

It's part of the same logic that leads people to think that a smaller
boat needs smaller bilgepumps.




Indeed.

One aspect of the Parkers I've owned that I appreciated is their
bone-dry bilges. Unless I open a hatch and pour water down into it, I
don't seem to get any water into the bilges of my 21-footer. There's no
liner. I supposed if I started filling up the center console, at some
point water would go down the rigging tubes into the bilge, but that
doesn't happen a whole lot.

So far the only person who has said he carries a life raft is Wayne.
Expected given the size of his boat.
Gfretwell doesn't go offshore - I think.
But though it appears to be a good idea carrying one if you go
offshore, I expect hardly any small boaters will equip them.
What sold me the most on it being a good idea is that it would have
saved the football guys from what killed them - hypothermia.
And in not really cold water.
Guess it just depends on your outlook about boating safety.

--Vic



Depends where you boat. Here in the San Francisco area, most small boaters
that go offshore, go maybe 8 miles at most for 98% of the fishing, and there
is always a fleet when the fishing is on. The only boats that go 30 miles
offshore for tuna without a group running are 30+' foot boats and they
normally have EPIRB. so if someone gets in trouble, there are other boats
about. But as an aquaintance found out when flipping his BW 13. ****
happens. Luckily the 3 climbed on the bottom and were found by a commercial
crab boat at dusk. They did not have a ditch bag and the handheld VHF went
to the bottom. We have cold water here. 48-55 year round. So survival is
a couple hours at most in the water. I have the birthday present list one
of the floating ditch bags from West Marine. They velcro to the boat, and
should be easy to get if the boat swamps. Part of the liferaft requirement
is where you boat and how many other boats you run with.

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"Calif Bill" wrote in message
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"Vic Smith" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 06 Mar 2009 09:12:56 -0500, HK wrote:

wrote:
On Fri, 06 Mar 2009 08:24:08 -0500, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Fri, 06 Mar 2009 05:01:01 -0600, Vic Smith
wrote:

The Everglades boat looked a bit top-heavy anyway, and rafts look to
be about 60-100 lbs, depending.
It is ironic that very few boats under 35 ft carry life rafts but they
are the ones that most need them. There are soft pack rafts that
weigh less than 50 lbs. All life rafts however have a significant
hidden expense: They must be repacked and recertified every 1 to 3
years depending on the manufacturer and model.

It's part of the same logic that leads people to think that a smaller
boat needs smaller bilgepumps.




Indeed.

One aspect of the Parkers I've owned that I appreciated is their
bone-dry bilges. Unless I open a hatch and pour water down into it, I
don't seem to get any water into the bilges of my 21-footer. There's no
liner. I supposed if I started filling up the center console, at some
point water would go down the rigging tubes into the bilge, but that
doesn't happen a whole lot.

So far the only person who has said he carries a life raft is Wayne.
Expected given the size of his boat.
Gfretwell doesn't go offshore - I think.
But though it appears to be a good idea carrying one if you go
offshore, I expect hardly any small boaters will equip them.
What sold me the most on it being a good idea is that it would have
saved the football guys from what killed them - hypothermia.
And in not really cold water.
Guess it just depends on your outlook about boating safety.

--Vic



Depends where you boat. Here in the San Francisco area, most small
boaters that go offshore, go maybe 8 miles at most for 98% of the fishing,
and there is always a fleet when the fishing is on. The only boats that
go 30 miles offshore for tuna without a group running are 30+' foot boats
and they normally have EPIRB. so if someone gets in trouble, there are
other boats about. But as an aquaintance found out when flipping his BW
13. **** happens. Luckily the 3 climbed on the bottom and were found by
a commercial crab boat at dusk. They did not have a ditch bag and the
handheld VHF went to the bottom. We have cold water here. 48-55 year
round. So survival is a couple hours at most in the water. I have the
birthday present list one of the floating ditch bags from West Marine.
They velcro to the boat, and should be easy to get if the boat swamps.
Part of the liferaft requirement is where you boat and how many other
boats you run with.

I have my handheld VHF + GPS + signal whistle attached to my PFD.......
the PFD is attached to me.
If anyone is within a 4 - 5 mile range I should be ok. (assuming they have a
VHF turned on to channel 16 or even 12)

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On Fri, 06 Mar 2009 19:38:54 -0500, wrote:

On Fri, 06 Mar 2009 13:53:41 -0500, HK wrote:

Sit on the part of the boat that is in the sunlight and hope for a
rescue. What would you do?
An upside down pontoon boat is still a pontoon boat with the deck
about a foot underwater. I would take my ditch boxes and tie them
between the pontoons to sit on and wait for rescue. If it is not
particularly cold I am good until my water runs out and I usually
carry around a case of half liter bottles.
It is mostly to save foolish kayakers who forget how fast that little
bottle they brought will go away in the Florida sun.

I'm going to remember the water part. Though I've never run out of
drink, I've never been stranded either.
Hey, part of your accessories should be a "transom bar" that could be
attached to readied fittings foward on the pontoons.
A waterproofed kicker as part of your "ditch kit" could be clamped on
it and you just slowly motor back home after a capsize.
Upside down and backwards!
That's pontoon versatility.

--Vic

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Don White wrote:

I have my handheld VHF + GPS + signal whistle attached to my PFD.......
the PFD is attached to me.
If anyone is within a 4 - 5 mile range I should be ok. (assuming they have a
VHF turned on to channel 16 or even 12)



Amazing stuff. Got a good whistle on board that vessel, dummy?

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On Fri, 06 Mar 2009 20:23:52 -0500, D K
wrote:

wrote:
On Fri, 06 Mar 2009 09:12:56 -0500, HK wrote:

wrote:
On Fri, 06 Mar 2009 08:24:08 -0500, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Fri, 06 Mar 2009 05:01:01 -0600, Vic Smith
wrote:

The Everglades boat looked a bit top-heavy anyway, and rafts look to
be about 60-100 lbs, depending.
It is ironic that very few boats under 35 ft carry life rafts but they
are the ones that most need them. There are soft pack rafts that
weigh less than 50 lbs. All life rafts however have a significant
hidden expense: They must be repacked and recertified every 1 to 3
years depending on the manufacturer and model.
It's part of the same logic that leads people to think that a smaller
boat needs smaller bilgepumps.



Indeed.

One aspect of the Parkers I've owned that I appreciated is their
bone-dry bilges. Unless I open a hatch and pour water down into it, I
don't seem to get any water into the bilges of my 21-footer. There's no
liner. I supposed if I started filling up the center console, at some
point water would go down the rigging tubes into the bilge, but that
doesn't happen a whole lot.



???

What does that have to do with what I said?


Nothing. What you post is insignificant at best.

It sure seems to attract your attention.

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wrote in message
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On Fri, 06 Mar 2009 20:26:48 -0500, D K
wrote:

Don White wrote:

I have my handheld VHF + GPS + signal whistle attached to my PFD.......
the PFD is attached to me.
If anyone is within a 4 - 5 mile range I should be ok. (assuming they
have a
VHF turned on to channel 16 or even 12)



Amazing stuff. Got a good whistle on board that vessel, dummy?


Do you guys have a couple of those horns you pit a piece of cellophane
on to make the noise? Those suckers are the loudest thing I have seen
if you don't have air horns. They are louder than the freon can horn
and they are so low tech they will always work. I keep some plastic
wrap in the first aid kits anyway and that works great on these horns
if the one in there gets damaged.

Sure do!
http://ca.binnacle.com/product_info....oducts_id=2331

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"D K" wrote in message
...
wrote:
On Fri, 06 Mar 2009 09:12:56 -0500, HK wrote:

wrote:
On Fri, 06 Mar 2009 08:24:08 -0500, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Fri, 06 Mar 2009 05:01:01 -0600, Vic Smith
wrote:

The Everglades boat looked a bit top-heavy anyway, and rafts look to
be about 60-100 lbs, depending.
It is ironic that very few boats under 35 ft carry life rafts but they
are the ones that most need them. There are soft pack rafts that
weigh less than 50 lbs. All life rafts however have a significant
hidden expense: They must be repacked and recertified every 1 to 3
years depending on the manufacturer and model.
It's part of the same logic that leads people to think that a smaller
boat needs smaller bilgepumps.



Indeed.

One aspect of the Parkers I've owned that I appreciated is their
bone-dry bilges. Unless I open a hatch and pour water down into it, I
don't seem to get any water into the bilges of my 21-footer. There's no
liner. I supposed if I started filling up the center console, at some
point water would go down the rigging tubes into the bilge, but that
doesn't happen a whole lot.



???

What does that have to do with what I said?


Nothing. What you post is insignificant at best.

You gotta give him a little credit though. At least he now admits that HK's
posts are insignificant as well. Someone mentions something about a bilge
pump, and mr. me me me has to chime in about his parker POS. Hairy is
predictable to say the least.

--Mike

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On Fri, 6 Mar 2009 23:32:43 -0400, "Don White"
wrote:


wrote in message
.. .
On Fri, 06 Mar 2009 20:26:48 -0500, D K
wrote:

Don White wrote:

I have my handheld VHF + GPS + signal whistle attached to my PFD.......
the PFD is attached to me.
If anyone is within a 4 - 5 mile range I should be ok. (assuming they
have a
VHF turned on to channel 16 or even 12)



Amazing stuff. Got a good whistle on board that vessel, dummy?


Do you guys have a couple of those horns you pit a piece of cellophane
on to make the noise? Those suckers are the loudest thing I have seen
if you don't have air horns. They are louder than the freon can horn
and they are so low tech they will always work. I keep some plastic
wrap in the first aid kits anyway and that works great on these horns
if the one in there gets damaged.

Sure do!
http://ca.binnacle.com/product_info....oducts_id=2331


Just the thing for signaling that you are having an asthma attack and
need help.

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wrote in message
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On Fri, 6 Mar 2009 23:32:43 -0400, "Don White"
wrote:


wrote in message
. ..
On Fri, 06 Mar 2009 20:26:48 -0500, D K
wrote:

Don White wrote:

I have my handheld VHF + GPS + signal whistle attached to my
PFD.......
the PFD is attached to me.
If anyone is within a 4 - 5 mile range I should be ok. (assuming they
have a
VHF turned on to channel 16 or even 12)



Amazing stuff. Got a good whistle on board that vessel, dummy?


Do you guys have a couple of those horns you pit a piece of cellophane
on to make the noise? Those suckers are the loudest thing I have seen
if you don't have air horns. They are louder than the freon can horn
and they are so low tech they will always work. I keep some plastic
wrap in the first aid kits anyway and that works great on these horns
if the one in there gets damaged.

Sure do!
http://ca.binnacle.com/product_info....oducts_id=2331


Just the thing for signaling that you are having an asthma attack and
need help.


That could be tricky. I also have a couple of compressed air horns.
Both given to me... one from a former co-worker that uses the canned air and
Tom gave me one with the little airpump and soda type, liter sized bottle

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Don White wrote:
wrote in message
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On Fri, 6 Mar 2009 23:32:43 -0400, "Don White"
wrote:

wrote in message
...
On Fri, 06 Mar 2009 20:26:48 -0500, D K
wrote:

Don White wrote:

I have my handheld VHF + GPS + signal whistle attached to my
PFD.......
the PFD is attached to me.
If anyone is within a 4 - 5 mile range I should be ok. (assuming they
have a
VHF turned on to channel 16 or even 12)


Amazing stuff. Got a good whistle on board that vessel, dummy?

Do you guys have a couple of those horns you pit a piece of cellophane
on to make the noise? Those suckers are the loudest thing I have seen
if you don't have air horns. They are louder than the freon can horn
and they are so low tech they will always work. I keep some plastic
wrap in the first aid kits anyway and that works great on these horns
if the one in there gets damaged.
Sure do!
http://ca.binnacle.com/product_info....oducts_id=2331

Just the thing for signaling that you are having an asthma attack and
need help.


That could be tricky. I also have a couple of compressed air horns.
Both given to me... one from a former co-worker that uses the canned air and
Tom gave me one with the little airpump and soda type, liter sized bottle



Amazing!

Ditch Bags
 

"HK" wrote in message
m...

You're just encouraging the Loogy asshole, Don.

Call me crazy, but I was hoping he and JustHate would eventually come around
& be civil again.

BTW... couldn't get any nice new shiny loonies from the two neighbourhood
brances of national banks.
I'll try downtown at the main branches this week. If worse comes to worse, I
may try to scrub a few dull circulated coins.
The alloy in them doesn't hold a shine very well.

Ditch Bags
 

Don White wrote:
"HK" wrote in message
m...
You're just encouraging the Loogy asshole, Don.

Call me crazy, but I was hoping he and JustHate would eventually come around
& be civil again.

BTW... couldn't get any nice new shiny loonies from the two neighbourhood
brances of national banks.
I'll try downtown at the main branches this week. If worse comes to worse, I
may try to scrub a few dull circulated coins.
The alloy in them doesn't hold a shine very well.



Damn...I was counting on those loonies to bolster our tanking economy! :)


Oh...you're crazy! LoonieLoogy and JustHate are as likely to be civil
here as the top of my head is to grow a new crop of wavy dark brown hair.

Ditch Bags
 

On Mar 9, 12:33*pm, "Don White" wrote:
"HK" wrote in message

m...



You're just encouraging the Loogy asshole, Don.

Call me crazy, but I was hoping he and JustHate would eventually come around
& be civil again.

BTW... couldn't get any nice new shiny loonies from the two neighbourhood
brances of national banks.
I'll try downtown at the main branches this week. If worse comes to worse, I
may try to scrub a few dull circulated coins.
The alloy in them doesn't hold a shine very well.

Call us crazy, but we are hoping the same of you. We, and especially I
have been nothing but civil for weeks, hardly coming here at all.
However, every time I do log in all I see name calling directed toward
myself and several others who left long ago.. The board is yours now,
and nothing has changed at all, do the math... If you all want to grow
the board, you need to stop calling everyone names and calling us out..

Ditch Bags
 

Ditch Bags
 

"HK" wrote in message
m...

Go away, ****forbrains.


wrote in message
...
On Mon, 9 Mar 2009 10:59:52 -0700 (PDT),

Go away, ****forbrains.




Birds of a feather, as they say....

Eisboch

Ditch Bags
 

Don White wrote:
"HK" wrote in message
m...
You're just encouraging the Loogy asshole, Don.

Call me crazy, but I was hoping he and JustHate would eventually come around
& be civil again.

BTW... couldn't get any nice new shiny loonies from the two neighbourhood
brances of national banks.
I'll try downtown at the main branches this week. If worse comes to worse, I
may try to scrub a few dull circulated coins.
The alloy in them doesn't hold a shine very well.



Scrubbing coins for your master, dummy? Your son must be jealous!

Ditch Bags
 

On Mon, 09 Mar 2009 14:11:27 -0400, HK wrote:

wrote:
On Mar 9, 12:33 pm, "Don White" wrote:
"HK" wrote in message

m...



You're just encouraging the Loogy asshole, Don.
Call me crazy, but I was hoping he and JustHate would eventually come around
& be civil again.

BTW... couldn't get any nice new shiny loonies from the two neighbourhood
brances of national banks.
I'll try downtown at the main branches this week. If worse comes to worse, I
may try to scrub a few dull circulated coins.
The alloy in them doesn't hold a shine very well.

Call us crazy, but we are hoping the same of you. We, and especially I
have been nothing but civil for weeks, hardly coming here at all.
However, every time I do log in all I see name calling directed toward
myself and several others who left long ago.. The board is yours now,
and nothing has changed at all, do the math... If you all want to grow
the board, you need to stop calling everyone names and calling us out..

Go away, ****forbrains. You're not a boater, and this is not the
appropriate group for your adventures in child endangerment.

Are you and salty and Don White a 'threesome' of some sort? You seem
to hold hands with each other a lot.

Ditch Bags
 

"Blazer" wrote in message
...
On Mon, 09 Mar 2009 14:11:27 -0400, HK wrote:

wrote:
On Mar 9, 12:33 pm, "Don White" wrote:
"HK" wrote in message

m...



You're just encouraging the Loogy asshole, Don.
Call me crazy, but I was hoping he and JustHate would eventually come
around
& be civil again.

BTW... couldn't get any nice new shiny loonies from the two
neighbourhood
brances of national banks.
I'll try downtown at the main branches this week. If worse comes to
worse, I
may try to scrub a few dull circulated coins.
The alloy in them doesn't hold a shine very well.

Call us crazy, but we are hoping the same of you. We, and especially I
have been nothing but civil for weeks, hardly coming here at all.
However, every time I do log in all I see name calling directed toward
myself and several others who left long ago.. The board is yours now,
and nothing has changed at all, do the math... If you all want to grow
the board, you need to stop calling everyone names and calling us out..

Go away, ****forbrains. You're not a boater, and this is not the
appropriate group for your adventures in child endangerment.

Are you and salty and Don White a 'threesome' of some sort? You seem
to hold hands with each other a lot.

Back to spring cleaning. More garbage to cart away to the dump.
I may have to keep my little truck after all.

Ditch Bags
 

On Tue, 10 Mar 2009 17:15:45 -0300, "Don White"
wrote:


"Blazer" wrote in message
.. .
On Mon, 09 Mar 2009 14:11:27 -0400, HK wrote:

wrote:
On Mar 9, 12:33 pm, "Don White" wrote:
"HK" wrote in message

m...



You're just encouraging the Loogy asshole, Don.
Call me crazy, but I was hoping he and JustHate would eventually come
around
& be civil again.

BTW... couldn't get any nice new shiny loonies from the two
neighbourhood
brances of national banks.
I'll try downtown at the main branches this week. If worse comes to
worse, I
may try to scrub a few dull circulated coins.
The alloy in them doesn't hold a shine very well.

Call us crazy, but we are hoping the same of you. We, and especially I
have been nothing but civil for weeks, hardly coming here at all.
However, every time I do log in all I see name calling directed toward
myself and several others who left long ago.. The board is yours now,
and nothing has changed at all, do the math... If you all want to grow
the board, you need to stop calling everyone names and calling us out..

Go away, ****forbrains. You're not a boater, and this is not the
appropriate group for your adventures in child endangerment.

Are you and salty and Don White a 'threesome' of some sort? You seem
to hold hands with each other a lot.

Back to spring cleaning. More garbage to cart away to the dump.
I may have to keep my little truck after all.


If someone comments on the rancid posts of you three, your response to
tell us about your garbage? Isn't there a garbage pickup wherever you
live?

Ditch Bags
 

Blazer wrote:
On Tue, 10 Mar 2009 17:15:45 -0300, "Don White"
wrote:

"Blazer" wrote in message
...
On Mon, 09 Mar 2009 14:11:27 -0400, HK wrote:

wrote:
On Mar 9, 12:33 pm, "Don White" wrote:
"HK" wrote in message

m...



You're just encouraging the Loogy asshole, Don.
Call me crazy, but I was hoping he and JustHate would eventually come
around
& be civil again.

BTW... couldn't get any nice new shiny loonies from the two
neighbourhood
brances of national banks.
I'll try downtown at the main branches this week. If worse comes to
worse, I
may try to scrub a few dull circulated coins.
The alloy in them doesn't hold a shine very well.
Call us crazy, but we are hoping the same of you. We, and especially I
have been nothing but civil for weeks, hardly coming here at all.
However, every time I do log in all I see name calling directed toward
myself and several others who left long ago.. The board is yours now,
and nothing has changed at all, do the math... If you all want to grow
the board, you need to stop calling everyone names and calling us out..
Go away, ****forbrains. You're not a boater, and this is not the
appropriate group for your adventures in child endangerment.
Are you and salty and Don White a 'threesome' of some sort? You seem
to hold hands with each other a lot.
Back to spring cleaning. More garbage to cart away to the dump.
I may have to keep my little truck after all.


If someone comments on the rancid posts of you three, your response to
tell us about your garbage? Isn't there a garbage pickup wherever you
live?

Ditch Bags
 

Blazer wrote:
On Tue, 10 Mar 2009 17:15:45 -0300, "Don White"
wrote:

"Blazer" wrote in message
...
On Mon, 09 Mar 2009 14:11:27 -0400, HK wrote:

wrote:
On Mar 9, 12:33 pm, "Don White" wrote:
"HK" wrote in message

m...



You're just encouraging the Loogy asshole, Don.
Call me crazy, but I was hoping he and JustHate would eventually come
around
& be civil again.

BTW... couldn't get any nice new shiny loonies from the two
neighbourhood
brances of national banks.
I'll try downtown at the main branches this week. If worse comes to
worse, I
may try to scrub a few dull circulated coins.
The alloy in them doesn't hold a shine very well.
Call us crazy, but we are hoping the same of you. We, and especially I
have been nothing but civil for weeks, hardly coming here at all.
However, every time I do log in all I see name calling directed toward
myself and several others who left long ago.. The board is yours now,
and nothing has changed at all, do the math... If you all want to grow
the board, you need to stop calling everyone names and calling us out..
Go away, ****forbrains. You're not a boater, and this is not the
appropriate group for your adventures in child endangerment.
Are you and salty and Don White a 'threesome' of some sort? You seem
to hold hands with each other a lot.
Back to spring cleaning. More garbage to cart away to the dump.
I may have to keep my little truck after all.


If someone comments on the rancid posts of you three, your response to
tell us about your garbage? Isn't there a garbage pickup wherever you
live?

He's a certifiable moron. A real idiot.

Ditch Bags
 

"Blazer" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 10 Mar 2009 17:15:45 -0300, "Don White"
wrote:


"Blazer" wrote in message
. ..
On Mon, 09 Mar 2009 14:11:27 -0400, HK wrote:

wrote:
On Mar 9, 12:33 pm, "Don White" wrote:
"HK" wrote in message

m...



You're just encouraging the Loogy asshole, Don.
Call me crazy, but I was hoping he and JustHate would eventually come
around
& be civil again.

BTW... couldn't get any nice new shiny loonies from the two
neighbourhood
brances of national banks.
I'll try downtown at the main branches this week. If worse comes to
worse, I
may try to scrub a few dull circulated coins.
The alloy in them doesn't hold a shine very well.

Call us crazy, but we are hoping the same of you. We, and especially I
have been nothing but civil for weeks, hardly coming here at all.
However, every time I do log in all I see name calling directed toward
myself and several others who left long ago.. The board is yours now,
and nothing has changed at all, do the math... If you all want to grow
the board, you need to stop calling everyone names and calling us
out..

Go away, ****forbrains. You're not a boater, and this is not the
appropriate group for your adventures in child endangerment.

Are you and salty and Don White a 'threesome' of some sort? You seem
to hold hands with each other a lot.

Back to spring cleaning. More garbage to cart away to the dump.
I may have to keep my little truck after all.


If someone comments on the rancid posts of you three, your response to
tell us about your garbage? Isn't there a garbage pickup wherever you
live?

No... he lives in Canada. g

--Mike

Ditch Bags
 

On Tue, 10 Mar 2009 17:48:39 -0700, "Mike" wrote:


"Blazer" wrote in message
.. .
On Tue, 10 Mar 2009 17:15:45 -0300, "Don White"
wrote:


"Blazer" wrote in message
...
On Mon, 09 Mar 2009 14:11:27 -0400, HK wrote:

wrote:
On Mar 9, 12:33 pm, "Don White" wrote:
"HK" wrote in message

m...



You're just encouraging the Loogy asshole, Don.
Call me crazy, but I was hoping he and JustHate would eventually come
around
& be civil again.

BTW... couldn't get any nice new shiny loonies from the two
neighbourhood
brances of national banks.
I'll try downtown at the main branches this week. If worse comes to
worse, I
may try to scrub a few dull circulated coins.
The alloy in them doesn't hold a shine very well.

Call us crazy, but we are hoping the same of you. We, and especially I
have been nothing but civil for weeks, hardly coming here at all.
However, every time I do log in all I see name calling directed toward
myself and several others who left long ago.. The board is yours now,
and nothing has changed at all, do the math... If you all want to grow
the board, you need to stop calling everyone names and calling us
out..

Go away, ****forbrains. You're not a boater, and this is not the
appropriate group for your adventures in child endangerment.

Are you and salty and Don White a 'threesome' of some sort? You seem
to hold hands with each other a lot.

Back to spring cleaning. More garbage to cart away to the dump.
I may have to keep my little truck after all.


If someone comments on the rancid posts of you three, your response to
tell us about your garbage? Isn't there a garbage pickup wherever you
live?

No... he lives in Canada. g

--Mike


Oh my gosh, he's Canadian?

I've known a lot of Canadians. They are some of the greatest people
you'd ever want to meet. It's really hard to believe that he's a
Canadian.

Ditch Bags
 

Blazer wrote:
On Tue, 10 Mar 2009 17:48:39 -0700, "Mike" wrote:

"Blazer" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 10 Mar 2009 17:15:45 -0300, "Don White"
wrote:

"Blazer" wrote in message
...
On Mon, 09 Mar 2009 14:11:27 -0400, HK wrote:

wrote:
On Mar 9, 12:33 pm, "Don White" wrote:
"HK" wrote in message

m...



You're just encouraging the Loogy asshole, Don.
Call me crazy, but I was hoping he and JustHate would eventually come
around
& be civil again.

BTW... couldn't get any nice new shiny loonies from the two
neighbourhood
brances of national banks.
I'll try downtown at the main branches this week. If worse comes to
worse, I
may try to scrub a few dull circulated coins.
The alloy in them doesn't hold a shine very well.
Call us crazy, but we are hoping the same of you. We, and especially I
have been nothing but civil for weeks, hardly coming here at all.
However, every time I do log in all I see name calling directed toward
myself and several others who left long ago.. The board is yours now,
and nothing has changed at all, do the math... If you all want to grow
the board, you need to stop calling everyone names and calling us
out..
Go away, ****forbrains. You're not a boater, and this is not the
appropriate group for your adventures in child endangerment.
Are you and salty and Don White a 'threesome' of some sort? You seem
to hold hands with each other a lot.
Back to spring cleaning. More garbage to cart away to the dump.
I may have to keep my little truck after all.

If someone comments on the rancid posts of you three, your response to
tell us about your garbage? Isn't there a garbage pickup wherever you
live?
No... he lives in Canada. g

--Mike


Oh my gosh, he's Canadian?

I've known a lot of Canadians. They are some of the greatest people
you'd ever want to meet. It's really hard to believe that he's a
Canadian.

Actually, it is hard to believe he is a man. I think he must have been
neutered before he reached puberty.

Ditch Bags
 

"nameless" wrote in message
...
Blazer wrote:
On Tue, 10 Mar 2009 17:48:39 -0700, "Mike" wrote:

"Blazer" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 10 Mar 2009 17:15:45 -0300, "Don White"
wrote:

"Blazer" wrote in message
...
On Mon, 09 Mar 2009 14:11:27 -0400, HK
wrote:

wrote:
On Mar 9, 12:33 pm, "Don White" wrote:
"HK" wrote in message

m...



You're just encouraging the Loogy asshole, Don.
Call me crazy, but I was hoping he and JustHate would eventually
come
around
& be civil again.

BTW... couldn't get any nice new shiny loonies from the two
neighbourhood
brances of national banks.
I'll try downtown at the main branches this week. If worse comes
to
worse, I
may try to scrub a few dull circulated coins.
The alloy in them doesn't hold a shine very well.
Call us crazy, but we are hoping the same of you. We, and
especially I
have been nothing but civil for weeks, hardly coming here at all.
However, every time I do log in all I see name calling directed
toward
myself and several others who left long ago.. The board is yours
now,
and nothing has changed at all, do the math... If you all want to
grow
the board, you need to stop calling everyone names and calling us
out..
Go away, ****forbrains. You're not a boater, and this is not the
appropriate group for your adventures in child endangerment.
Are you and salty and Don White a 'threesome' of some sort? You seem
to hold hands with each other a lot.
Back to spring cleaning. More garbage to cart away to the dump.
I may have to keep my little truck after all.

If someone comments on the rancid posts of you three, your response to
tell us about your garbage? Isn't there a garbage pickup wherever you
live?
No... he lives in Canada. g

--Mike

Oh my gosh, he's Canadian?

I've known a lot of Canadians. They are some of the greatest people
you'd ever want to meet. It's really hard to believe that he's a
Canadian.

Actually, it is hard to believe he is a man. I think he must have been
neutered before he reached puberty.

Oh my..another nameless jackass.
Into the septic tank.