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Frogwatch wrote:


This accident with the NFL players off Clearwater where the boat
overturned is tragic. What went wrong? The weather forecast was poor
when they left shore, so what were they thinking? Was it simply a
matter of being too macho to exercise common sense?
Next, once a boat turns upside down, is there any way to right them?
Once righted, would a motor start (assume a 2 cycle).
I'd like to know how the boat was anchored, was it from the stern,
classical mistake resulting in this.
Going offshore with no EPIRB used to be acceptable but today?


- - -

What went wrong?

From the reports I heard yesterday, the guys went 50 miles offshore in
a 21' boat and were flipped by 14' to 16' waves.

What were they thinking? That they were invulernable.

They either were too macho or unaware of how quickly weather can change
on the Gulf or both *or* they were so ignorant of the dangers of small
boating, they thought their craft could handle anything they encountered.

I doubt there is a way for guys in the water to flip right-side-up a
boat like that. Might be able to turn back over an open boat, though.

Would the motor start? Doubtful.

I'm not sure the way the boat was anchored was relevant, since it
apparently was rolled over. Had it been anchored from the bow, it
probably would have been swamped and then it would have flipped.

Back in my Jax days, I would go out 20 miles to some manmade reefs, but
only after checking the weather and listening to the weather channel and
only with a pack of other boats. 18-footer. No ePIRB back then.

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On Mar 3, 12:00 pm, HK wrote:
Frogwatch wrote:

This accident with the NFL players off Clearwater where the boat
overturned is tragic. What went wrong? The weather forecast was poor
when they left shore, so what were they thinking? Was it simply a
matter of being too macho to exercise common sense?
Next, once a boat turns upside down, is there any way to right them?
Once righted, would a motor start (assume a 2 cycle).
I'd like to know how the boat was anchored, was it from the stern,
classical mistake resulting in this.
Going offshore with no EPIRB used to be acceptable but today?

- - -

What went wrong?

From the reports I heard yesterday, the guys went 50 miles offshore in
a 21' boat and were flipped by 14' to 16' waves.

What were they thinking? That they were invulernable.

They either were too macho or unaware of how quickly weather can change
on the Gulf or both *or* they were so ignorant of the dangers of small
boating, they thought their craft could handle anything they encountered.

I doubt there is a way for guys in the water to flip right-side-up a
boat like that. Might be able to turn back over an open boat, though.

Would the motor start? Doubtful.

I'm not sure the way the boat was anchored was relevant, since it
apparently was rolled over. Had it been anchored from the bow, it
probably would have been swamped and then it would have flipped.

Back in my Jax days, I would go out 20 miles to some manmade reefs, but
only after checking the weather and listening to the weather channel and
only with a pack of other boats. 18-footer. No ePIRB back then.

Waves that size in the Gulf are unusual although with the 33 kt wind
from the NW there is a lot of room for them to build.
My question about anchoring is because I have read several accounts of
boats anchored by the stern, a wave comes over the cut-away transom
and thats the end.

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Frogwatch wrote:
On Mar 3, 12:00 pm, HK wrote:
Frogwatch wrote:

This accident with the NFL players off Clearwater where the boat
overturned is tragic. What went wrong? The weather forecast was poor
when they left shore, so what were they thinking? Was it simply a
matter of being too macho to exercise common sense?
Next, once a boat turns upside down, is there any way to right them?
Once righted, would a motor start (assume a 2 cycle).
I'd like to know how the boat was anchored, was it from the stern,
classical mistake resulting in this.
Going offshore with no EPIRB used to be acceptable but today?

- - -

What went wrong?

From the reports I heard yesterday, the guys went 50 miles offshore in
a 21' boat and were flipped by 14' to 16' waves.

What were they thinking? That they were invulernable.

They either were too macho or unaware of how quickly weather can change
on the Gulf or both *or* they were so ignorant of the dangers of small
boating, they thought their craft could handle anything they encountered.

I doubt there is a way for guys in the water to flip right-side-up a
boat like that. Might be able to turn back over an open boat, though.

Would the motor start? Doubtful.

I'm not sure the way the boat was anchored was relevant, since it
apparently was rolled over. Had it been anchored from the bow, it
probably would have been swamped and then it would have flipped.

Back in my Jax days, I would go out 20 miles to some manmade reefs, but
only after checking the weather and listening to the weather channel and
only with a pack of other boats. 18-footer. No ePIRB back then.

Waves that size in the Gulf are unusual although with the 33 kt wind
from the NW there is a lot of room for them to build.
My question about anchoring is because I have read several accounts of
boats anchored by the stern, a wave comes over the cut-away transom
and thats the end.


Oh...you were trolling. Sorry. My mistake.

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On Mar 3, 12:00 pm, HK wrote:
Frogwatch wrote:

This accident with the NFL players off Clearwater where the boat
overturned is tragic. What went wrong? The weather forecast was poor
when they left shore, so what were they thinking? Was it simply a
matter of being too macho to exercise common sense?
Next, once a boat turns upside down, is there any way to right them?
Once righted, would a motor start (assume a 2 cycle).
I'd like to know how the boat was anchored, was it from the stern,
classical mistake resulting in this.
Going offshore with no EPIRB used to be acceptable but today?

- - -

What went wrong?

From the reports I heard yesterday, the guys went 50 miles offshore in
a 21' boat and were flipped by 14' to 16' waves.

What were they thinking? That they were invulernable.

They either were too macho or unaware of how quickly weather can change
on the Gulf or both *or* they were so ignorant of the dangers of small
boating, they thought their craft could handle anything they encountered.

I doubt there is a way for guys in the water to flip right-side-up a
boat like that. Might be able to turn back over an open boat, though.

Would the motor start? Doubtful.

I'm not sure the way the boat was anchored was relevant, since it
apparently was rolled over. Had it been anchored from the bow, it
probably would have been swamped and then it would have flipped.

Back in my Jax days, I would go out 20 miles to some manmade reefs, but
only after checking the weather and listening to the weather channel and
only with a pack of other boats. 18-footer. No ePIRB back then.

Next, finding yourself in such a situation, what to do? Should you
simply let anchor #1 go knowing you have #2? Obviously start the
motor before trying to haul in the anchor. I assume strong wind here
was also a major factor in how the boat behaved (data buoy here said
sustained 36 kt with gusts to 42).
Is the boat better off under power in those conditions or with a
drogue deployed from bow? I assume under power.

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Frogwatch wrote:
On Mar 3, 12:00 pm, HK wrote:
Frogwatch wrote:

This accident with the NFL players off Clearwater where the boat
overturned is tragic. What went wrong? The weather forecast was poor
when they left shore, so what were they thinking? Was it simply a
matter of being too macho to exercise common sense?
Next, once a boat turns upside down, is there any way to right them?
Once righted, would a motor start (assume a 2 cycle).
I'd like to know how the boat was anchored, was it from the stern,
classical mistake resulting in this.
Going offshore with no EPIRB used to be acceptable but today?

- - -

What went wrong?

From the reports I heard yesterday, the guys went 50 miles offshore in
a 21' boat and were flipped by 14' to 16' waves.

What were they thinking? That they were invulernable.

They either were too macho or unaware of how quickly weather can change
on the Gulf or both *or* they were so ignorant of the dangers of small
boating, they thought their craft could handle anything they encountered.

I doubt there is a way for guys in the water to flip right-side-up a
boat like that. Might be able to turn back over an open boat, though.

Would the motor start? Doubtful.

I'm not sure the way the boat was anchored was relevant, since it
apparently was rolled over. Had it been anchored from the bow, it
probably would have been swamped and then it would have flipped.

Back in my Jax days, I would go out 20 miles to some manmade reefs, but
only after checking the weather and listening to the weather channel and
only with a pack of other boats. 18-footer. No ePIRB back then.

Waves that size in the Gulf are unusual although with the 33 kt wind
from the NW there is a lot of room for them to build.
My question about anchoring is because I have read several accounts of
boats anchored by the stern, a wave comes over the cut-away transom
and thats the end.

I have been out in 35+ winds in the Gulf, around 8 miles off shore,
while the waves looked 12', I think they were probably closer to 6'.

I can't imagine 14'-16' in the gulf. Who projected the wave height?

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On Mar 3, 12:19 pm, Frogwatch wrote:
On Mar 3, 12:00 pm, HK wrote:



Frogwatch wrote:

This accident with the NFL players off Clearwater where the boat
overturned is tragic. What went wrong? The weather forecast was poor
when they left shore, so what were they thinking? Was it simply a
matter of being too macho to exercise common sense?
Next, once a boat turns upside down, is there any way to right them?
Once righted, would a motor start (assume a 2 cycle).
I'd like to know how the boat was anchored, was it from the stern,
classical mistake resulting in this.
Going offshore with no EPIRB used to be acceptable but today?

- - -

What went wrong?

From the reports I heard yesterday, the guys went 50 miles offshore in
a 21' boat and were flipped by 14' to 16' waves.

What were they thinking? That they were invulernable.

They either were too macho or unaware of how quickly weather can change
on the Gulf or both *or* they were so ignorant of the dangers of small
boating, they thought their craft could handle anything they encountered.

I doubt there is a way for guys in the water to flip right-side-up a
boat like that. Might be able to turn back over an open boat, though.

Would the motor start? Doubtful.

I'm not sure the way the boat was anchored was relevant, since it
apparently was rolled over. Had it been anchored from the bow, it
probably would have been swamped and then it would have flipped.

Back in my Jax days, I would go out 20 miles to some manmade reefs, but
only after checking the weather and listening to the weather channel and
only with a pack of other boats. 18-footer. No ePIRB back then.

Next, finding yourself in such a situation, what to do? Should you
simply let anchor #1 go knowing you have #2? Obviously start the
motor before trying to haul in the anchor. I assume strong wind here
was also a major factor in how the boat behaved (data buoy here said
sustained 36 kt with gusts to 42).
Is the boat better off under power in those conditions or with a
drogue deployed from bow? I assume under power.

No life jackets until they flipped? Under those conditions? Were
they trying to be candidates for the Darwin Award? Really now,
inflatable jackets are comfy, you should always wear them (ok, most of
the time).

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On Mar 3, 12:00*pm, HK wrote:
Frogwatch wrote:

This accident with the NFL players off Clearwater where the boat
overturned is tragic. *What went wrong? *The weather forecast was poor
when they left shore, so what were they thinking? *Was it simply a
matter of being too macho to exercise common sense?
Next, once a boat turns upside down, is there any way to right them?
Once righted, would a motor start (assume a 2 cycle).
I'd like to know how the boat was anchored, was it from the stern,
classical mistake resulting in this.
Going offshore with no EPIRB used to be acceptable but today?

- - -

What went wrong?

*From the reports I heard yesterday, the guys went 50 miles offshore in
a 21' boat and were flipped by 14' to 16' waves.

What were they thinking? That they were invulernable.

They either were too macho or unaware of how quickly weather can change
on the Gulf or both *or* they were so ignorant of the dangers of small
boating, they thought their craft could handle anything they encountered.

I doubt there is a way for guys in the water to flip right-side-up a
boat like that. Might be able to turn back over an open boat, though.

Would the motor start? Doubtful.

I'm not sure the way the boat was anchored was relevant, since it
apparently was rolled over. Had it been anchored from the bow, it
probably would have been swamped and then it would have flipped.

Back in my Jax days, I would go out 20 miles to some manmade reefs, but
only after checking the weather and listening to the weather channel and
only with a pack of other boats. 18-footer. No ePIRB back then.

Conditions were way beyond the capabilities of the boat for sure. Who
knows how or why they got themselves into that situation.

As an aside, I remember reading a study a while back that showed that
while many boating accidents were reported as capsizes in very few
cases was capsize by waves the actual cause of the accident. Usually
the boat filled with water, either by swamping or by something as
simple as a missing drain plug before overturning. Once overturned I
think your chances of righting the hull are small. I watched a few
guys right an overturned 18-20' runabout and try to tow it fast enough
to get it to drain. Before they could get 10' the thing would flip
back over. This was in 1' chop at most and not in dangerous
conditions. As a matter of fact the had jetskis and were in wetsuits
and kind of goofing around.

Steve P.

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"Frogwatch" wrote in message
...
On Mar 3, 12:00 pm, HK wrote:
Frogwatch wrote:

This accident with the NFL players off Clearwater where the boat
overturned is tragic. What went wrong? The weather forecast was poor
when they left shore, so what were they thinking? Was it simply a
matter of being too macho to exercise common sense?
Next, once a boat turns upside down, is there any way to right them?
Once righted, would a motor start (assume a 2 cycle).
I'd like to know how the boat was anchored, was it from the stern,
classical mistake resulting in this.
Going offshore with no EPIRB used to be acceptable but today?

- - -

What went wrong?

From the reports I heard yesterday, the guys went 50 miles offshore in
a 21' boat and were flipped by 14' to 16' waves.

What were they thinking? That they were invulernable.

They either were too macho or unaware of how quickly weather can change
on the Gulf or both *or* they were so ignorant of the dangers of small
boating, they thought their craft could handle anything they encountered.

I doubt there is a way for guys in the water to flip right-side-up a
boat like that. Might be able to turn back over an open boat, though.

Would the motor start? Doubtful.

I'm not sure the way the boat was anchored was relevant, since it
apparently was rolled over. Had it been anchored from the bow, it
probably would have been swamped and then it would have flipped.

Back in my Jax days, I would go out 20 miles to some manmade reefs, but
only after checking the weather and listening to the weather channel and
only with a pack of other boats. 18-footer. No ePIRB back then.

Next, finding yourself in such a situation, what to do? Should you
simply let anchor #1 go knowing you have #2? Obviously start the
motor before trying to haul in the anchor. I assume strong wind here
was also a major factor in how the boat behaved (data buoy here said
sustained 36 kt with gusts to 42).
Is the boat better off under power in those conditions or with a
drogue deployed from bow? I assume under power.

Probably too many went to the same corner of the boat to pull anchor.
Acquaintance in a 13 BW was pulling a crab pot when the 3rd person, large
guy walked to the back to help. Boat flipped. They were lucky as all
climbed on the bottom, but the portable VHF went to the bottom of the sea.
Lucky in the fact that a commercial crabber saw them just at dusk and saved
their butts. They should have started back as soon as the wind picked up.
Some of us survive ignorance, others don't. Years ago, I was off Pillar
Point in a 14' boat. Salmon fishing. Looked up and realized that there was
only 2 of us out there. At about 10:30 am in the summer, the wind always
comes up and white caps appear. I had about 5 miles to go to shelter, and
my asshole was puckered the whole trip. Too small a boat for the conditions
I was in. Ignorance of the local conditions. Great Guardian Angel!

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"Monkey Butler" wrote in message
...
On Mar 3, 12:00 pm, HK wrote:
Frogwatch wrote:

This accident with the NFL players off Clearwater where the boat
overturned is tragic. What went wrong? The weather forecast was poor
when they left shore, so what were they thinking? Was it simply a
matter of being too macho to exercise common sense?
Next, once a boat turns upside down, is there any way to right them?
Once righted, would a motor start (assume a 2 cycle).
I'd like to know how the boat was anchored, was it from the stern,
classical mistake resulting in this.
Going offshore with no EPIRB used to be acceptable but today?

- - -

What went wrong?

From the reports I heard yesterday, the guys went 50 miles offshore in
a 21' boat and were flipped by 14' to 16' waves.

What were they thinking? That they were invulernable.

They either were too macho or unaware of how quickly weather can change
on the Gulf or both *or* they were so ignorant of the dangers of small
boating, they thought their craft could handle anything they encountered.

I doubt there is a way for guys in the water to flip right-side-up a
boat like that. Might be able to turn back over an open boat, though.

Would the motor start? Doubtful.

I'm not sure the way the boat was anchored was relevant, since it
apparently was rolled over. Had it been anchored from the bow, it
probably would have been swamped and then it would have flipped.

Back in my Jax days, I would go out 20 miles to some manmade reefs, but
only after checking the weather and listening to the weather channel and
only with a pack of other boats. 18-footer. No ePIRB back then.

Conditions were way beyond the capabilities of the boat for sure. Who
knows how or why they got themselves into that situation.

As an aside, I remember reading a study a while back that showed that
while many boating accidents were reported as capsizes in very few
cases was capsize by waves the actual cause of the accident. Usually
the boat filled with water, either by swamping or by something as
simple as a missing drain plug before overturning. Once overturned I
think your chances of righting the hull are small. I watched a few
guys right an overturned 18-20' runabout and try to tow it fast enough
to get it to drain. Before they could get 10' the thing would flip
back over. This was in 1' chop at most and not in dangerous
conditions. As a matter of fact the had jetskis and were in wetsuits
and kind of goofing around.

Steve P.

Friends Boston Whaler 13' after it flipped and was abandoned during the
rescue was found about 10 miles down current. Even with a big boat, they
could not right the boat and towed it back slowly with it upside down.

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On Mar 3, 1:10*pm, "Calif Bill" wrote:

Friends Boston Whaler 13' after it flipped and was abandoned during the
rescue was found about 10 miles down current. *Even with a big boat, they
could not right the boat and towed it back slowly with it upside down.- Hide quoted text -

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If you only went out when conditions were perfectly safe, you'd never
go out. Harry thinks that if anyone ever gets in any situation ever,
it's instantly stupidity that got them there. Maybe that's why he puts
so few hours on his boat. He's got no sense of adventure, and when
anyone does anything fun with their children instead of keeping them
locked in a hermetically sealed room, he deems them wreckless and
irresponsible. WAFA, in short.