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Bobby Jindal
Needs to make a guest appearance on 30 Rock.
This is the Republican savior? Steele, Boner (sic), Cantor and Jindal. The Dream Team |
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jps wrote:
Needs to make a guest appearance on 30 Rock. This is the Republican savior? Steele, Boner (sic), Cantor and Jindal. The Dream Team After the big buildup the Repubs and some in the media gave him, I thought his presentation was laughable. His one idea for revitalizing the economy: cut taxes. In other words, the same old crap that has not worked for the last eight years,. |
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HK wrote:
jps wrote: Needs to make a guest appearance on 30 Rock. This is the Republican savior? Steele, Boner (sic), Cantor and Jindal. The Dream Team After the big buildup the Repubs and some in the media gave him, I thought his presentation was laughable. His one idea for revitalizing the economy: cut taxes. In other words, the same old crap that has not worked for the last eight years,. It's worked over the previous 6 or so recessions in the preceding 90 years. FDR tried to spend us out of the depression and he only succeeded in lengthening the depression. The only thing that got us out of the Depression was WWII. |
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On Feb 25, 8:20*pm, HK wrote:
jps wrote: Needs to make a guest appearance on 30 Rock. This is the Republican savior? Steele, Boner (sic), Cantor and Jindal. The Dream Team After the big buildup the Repubs and some in the media gave him, I thought his presentation was laughable. His one idea for revitalizing the economy: cut taxes. In other words, the same old crap that has not worked for the last eight years,. What was he like, Harry, when you were in college with him? |
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BAR wrote:
FDR tried to spend us out of the depression and he only succeeded in lengthening the depression. The only thing that got us out of the Depression was WWII. So it actually required tax increases and large government spending. |
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Steelhead wrote:
BAR wrote: FDR tried to spend us out of the depression and he only succeeded in lengthening the depression. The only thing that got us out of the Depression was WWII. So it actually required tax increases and large government spending. I think Bertie (BAR) ingested the "revised" Republican talking points on the depression. Roosevelt did a lot of remarkable things in the 30's to help out of work, starving Americans. The GOP is working hard to become irrelevant. Or more irrelevant. |
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HK wrote:
Steelhead wrote: BAR wrote: FDR tried to spend us out of the depression and he only succeeded in lengthening the depression. The only thing that got us out of the Depression was WWII. So it actually required tax increases and large government spending. I think Bertie (BAR) ingested the "revised" Republican talking points on the depression. Roosevelt did a lot of remarkable things in the 30's to help out of work, starving Americans. For all of FDR's good intentions he accomplished absolutely nothing. FDR spent a lot of money and didn't anything accomplished as far as stopping the depression. The depression effectively started in 1930 and didn't end until 1942. 10 years of FDR spending money like a like a drunken sailor and the depression wouldn't go away. It wasn't until the industrial might, private industry, of the US of A was unleashed that we started to come out of the depression. The GOP is working hard to become irrelevant. Or more irrelevant. We already know that you enjoy living under the direction of others. |
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On Thu, 26 Feb 2009 06:16:38 -0500, BAR wrote:
For all of FDR's good intentions he accomplished absolutely nothing. Well, he made the GOP the minority party for over 50 years. I guess that's something. |
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thunder wrote:
On Thu, 26 Feb 2009 06:16:38 -0500, BAR wrote: For all of FDR's good intentions he accomplished absolutely nothing. Well, he made the GOP the minority party for over 50 years. I guess that's something. You can award him the Emanuel/Shumer award posthumously of course. If your party has to destroy the other party in order to impose your will on the people then you need to take a hard look at your party's ideology and principles. This is what is so interesting about the whole talk radio phenomenon. Why has conservative talk radio flourished across the USA? Why does conservative talk radio pull in the ratings and in return the advertising dollars? Why did Rush Limbaugh just get a $400 million contract for 8 years with a $100 million dollar signing bonus? Obviously the advertisers are there, the ratings are there and the listeners are there. Yet when we flip the coin over and take a look at liberal/progressive radio we find that nobody wants to tune in and hear what Al Franken or Randy Rhodes has to say. There are no listeners, there are no ratings and therefore there are no advertisers. When you pull in NPR which to any objective listener is left of center, left, and far left and it is supported by US government dollars. Would NPR still be broadcasting if they had survive without government footing the bill? Part of it is that the liberals see that the people are generally bad and need to be told how to live while the conservatives see people as generally good and want them to live their lives to the fullest without government intervention. I still can't unravel the idiocy of people who say they come from Democrat families and therefore vote Democrat but, the rest of their life is based on conservative values. Pulling the lever for a Democrat because your grandfather voted for FDR is not the mark of an intelligent person. Conversely, pulling the lever for a Republican just because your grandfather voted for a Republican sometime in the past is just as stupid. |
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On Thu, 26 Feb 2009 07:15:46 -0500, BAR wrote:
If your party has to destroy the other party in order to impose your will on the people then you need to take a hard look at your party's ideology and principles. I would argue the Republican Party is destroying itself. It needs new leadership, and new ideas. Deregulation has been a disaster, as the current fiscal crisis shows. Republicans have lost touch with there fiscal conservative roots for decades now. They are a party in disarray. The American people have spoken, and it isn't with a Republican voice. I believe in a strong two party system, but "government is the problem" isn't cutting it, anymore. When you pull in NPR which to any objective listener is left of center, left, and far left and it is supported by US government dollars. Would NPR still be broadcasting if they had survive without government footing the bill? If I'm not mistaken, government funding is somewhere between 2-6% of NPR's funding. Corporations and charitable foundations, however, are major donors. Considering how "leftist" you consider it, at least one survey has PBS and NPR the "most trusted" news source. |
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On Thu, 26 Feb 2009 06:41:12 -0600, thunder wrote:
Considering how "leftist" you consider it, at least one survey has PBS and NPR the "most trusted" news source. Forgot the link: http://www.broadcastingcable.com/article/158913- Survey_Says_Noncom_News_Most_Trusted.php |
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"GC Boater" wrote in message ... On Feb 25, 8:20 pm, HK wrote: jps wrote: Needs to make a guest appearance on 30 Rock. This is the Republican savior? Steele, Boner (sic), Cantor and Jindal. The Dream Team After the big buildup the Repubs and some in the media gave him, I thought his presentation was laughable. His one idea for revitalizing the economy: cut taxes. In other words, the same old crap that has not worked for the last eight years,. What was he like, Harry, when you were in college with him? ************************************************** *** What's the matter...tiring of the hugging & holding hands at JustHates site? Too much singing 'Kumbaya'? |
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thunder wrote:
On Thu, 26 Feb 2009 07:15:46 -0500, BAR wrote: If your party has to destroy the other party in order to impose your will on the people then you need to take a hard look at your party's ideology and principles. I would argue the Republican Party is destroying itself. It needs new leadership, and new ideas. Deregulation has been a disaster, as the current fiscal crisis shows. Republicans have lost touch with there fiscal conservative roots for decades now. They are a party in disarray. The American people have spoken, and it isn't with a Republican voice. I believe in a strong two party system, but "government is the problem" isn't cutting it, anymore. Government is the problem. The more government involvement you have the less freedom you have. When you pull in NPR which to any objective listener is left of center, left, and far left and it is supported by US government dollars. Would NPR still be broadcasting if they had survive without government footing the bill? If I'm not mistaken, government funding is somewhere between 2-6% of NPR's funding. Corporations and charitable foundations, however, are major donors. Considering how "leftist" you consider it, at least one survey has PBS and NPR the "most trusted" news source. Trusted by whom? I can perform a survey and publish my results and state that the results are that PBS and NPR are leftist propaganda tools. Polls and surveys can be conducted to get any answer you want. "Dewey Wins" |
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On Thu, 26 Feb 2009 07:15:46 -0500, BAR wrote:
Pulling the lever for a Democrat because your grandfather voted for FDR is not the mark of an intelligent person. Conversely, pulling the lever for a Republican just because your grandfather voted for a Republican sometime in the past is just as stupid. Good points but the last thing this boating group needs is more political discussions. |
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On Thu, 26 Feb 2009 08:18:57 -0500, BAR wrote:
Trusted by whom? I can perform a survey and publish my results and state that the results are that PBS and NPR are leftist propaganda tools. There is some really excellent programming on PBS that is available no where else, most with no political bias what ever. A lot of their funding comes from user donations, don't know just how much, but I can't think of any other television network that I would consider donating anything. |
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On Thu, 26 Feb 2009 06:42:56 -0600, thunder
wrote: survey has PBS and NPR the "most trusted" news source. Unfortunately it is about the only news source. Print papers are dying, and what is left are mere soundbite sources. Casady |
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On Thu, 26 Feb 2009 08:35:28 -0500, Wayne.B wrote:
On Thu, 26 Feb 2009 07:15:46 -0500, BAR wrote: Pulling the lever for a Democrat because your grandfather voted for FDR is not the mark of an intelligent person. Conversely, pulling the lever for a Republican just because your grandfather voted for a Republican sometime in the past is just as stupid. Good points but the last thing this boating group needs is more political discussions. Amen. If it would only stay with "Boating". The political minds might try the political groups and find were some, with other interests percieve the country and the world. There are plenty of political groups that require thicker skin than many have here. The same with other interests that sneak their heads in here. Even I can manage to listen with my eyes well enough. -- _________________m___~¿õ___m ________________________ |
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BAR wrote:
thunder wrote: On Thu, 26 Feb 2009 07:15:46 -0500, BAR wrote: If your party has to destroy the other party in order to impose your will on the people then you need to take a hard look at your party's ideology and principles. I would argue the Republican Party is destroying itself. It needs new leadership, and new ideas. Deregulation has been a disaster, as the current fiscal crisis shows. Republicans have lost touch with there fiscal conservative roots for decades now. They are a party in disarray. The American people have spoken, and it isn't with a Republican voice. I believe in a strong two party system, but "government is the problem" isn't cutting it, anymore. Government is the problem. The more government involvement you have the less freedom you have. When you pull in NPR which to any objective listener is left of center, left, and far left and it is supported by US government dollars. Would NPR still be broadcasting if they had survive without government footing the bill? If I'm not mistaken, government funding is somewhere between 2-6% of NPR's funding. Corporations and charitable foundations, however, are major donors. Considering how "leftist" you consider it, at least one survey has PBS and NPR the "most trusted" news source. Trusted by whom? I can perform a survey and publish my results and state that the results are that PBS and NPR are leftist propaganda tools. Polls and surveys can be conducted to get any answer you want. "Dewey Wins" You'll find more mindless right-wing automatons over at the "secret email" site, Bertie. Just ask any of your braindead buddies for the URL... |
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BAR wrote:
thunder wrote: On Thu, 26 Feb 2009 06:16:38 -0500, BAR wrote: For all of FDR's good intentions he accomplished absolutely nothing. Well, he made the GOP the minority party for over 50 years. I guess that's something. You can award him the Emanuel/Shumer award posthumously of course. If your party has to destroy the other party in order to impose your will on the people then you need to take a hard look at your party's ideology and principles. This is what is so interesting about the whole talk radio phenomenon. Why has conservative talk radio flourished across the USA? Why does conservative talk radio pull in the ratings and in return the advertising dollars? Why did Rush Limbaugh just get a $400 million contract for 8 years with a $100 million dollar signing bonus? Obviously the advertisers are there, the ratings are there and the listeners are there. Yet when we flip the coin over and take a look at liberal/progressive radio we find that nobody wants to tune in and hear what Al Franken or Randy Rhodes has to say. There are no listeners, there are no ratings and therefore there are no advertisers. When you pull in NPR which to any objective listener is left of center, left, and far left and it is supported by US government dollars. Would NPR still be broadcasting if they had survive without government footing the bill? Part of it is that the liberals see that the people are generally bad and need to be told how to live while the conservatives see people as generally good and want them to live their lives to the fullest without government intervention. I still can't unravel the idiocy of people who say they come from Democrat families and therefore vote Democrat but, the rest of their life is based on conservative values. Pulling the lever for a Democrat because your grandfather voted for FDR is not the mark of an intelligent person. Conversely, pulling the lever for a Republican just because your grandfather voted for a Republican sometime in the past is just as stupid. You should sell this crap of yours over at the mindless right-wing site...aren't you getting the secret emails? |
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On Thu, 26 Feb 2009 09:49:39 -0500, RLM wrote:
Good points but the last thing this boating group needs is more political discussions. Amen. OK, I'll do my part. Most/all of my posts here have been political, but while the group remains apolitical, I will cease and desist the temptation. |
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"HK" wrote in message ... BAR wrote: thunder wrote: On Thu, 26 Feb 2009 06:16:38 -0500, BAR wrote: For all of FDR's good intentions he accomplished absolutely nothing. Well, he made the GOP the minority party for over 50 years. I guess that's something. You can award him the Emanuel/Shumer award posthumously of course. If your party has to destroy the other party in order to impose your will on the people then you need to take a hard look at your party's ideology and principles. This is what is so interesting about the whole talk radio phenomenon. Why has conservative talk radio flourished across the USA? Why does conservative talk radio pull in the ratings and in return the advertising dollars? Why did Rush Limbaugh just get a $400 million contract for 8 years with a $100 million dollar signing bonus? Obviously the advertisers are there, the ratings are there and the listeners are there. Yet when we flip the coin over and take a look at liberal/progressive radio we find that nobody wants to tune in and hear what Al Franken or Randy Rhodes has to say. There are no listeners, there are no ratings and therefore there are no advertisers. When you pull in NPR which to any objective listener is left of center, left, and far left and it is supported by US government dollars. Would NPR still be broadcasting if they had survive without government footing the bill? Part of it is that the liberals see that the people are generally bad and need to be told how to live while the conservatives see people as generally good and want them to live their lives to the fullest without government intervention. I still can't unravel the idiocy of people who say they come from Democrat families and therefore vote Democrat but, the rest of their life is based on conservative values. Pulling the lever for a Democrat because your grandfather voted for FDR is not the mark of an intelligent person. Conversely, pulling the lever for a Republican just because your grandfather voted for a Republican sometime in the past is just as stupid. You should sell this crap of yours over at the mindless right-wing site...aren't you getting the secret emails? I see the Lt Colonel asked Bar to check his e-mail. I imagine that's the call. |
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RLM wrote:
On Thu, 26 Feb 2009 08:35:28 -0500, Wayne.B wrote: On Thu, 26 Feb 2009 07:15:46 -0500, BAR wrote: Pulling the lever for a Democrat because your grandfather voted for FDR is not the mark of an intelligent person. Conversely, pulling the lever for a Republican just because your grandfather voted for a Republican sometime in the past is just as stupid. Good points but the last thing this boating group needs is more political discussions. Amen. If it would only stay with "Boating". The political minds might try the political groups and find were some, with other interests percieve the country and the world. There are plenty of political groups that require thicker skin than many have here. The same with other interests that sneak their heads in here. Even I can manage to listen with my eyes well enough. I'd be delighted if this were a 90% boating discussion group. Now that many of the non-boaters have left, maybe it will happen. I have no interest in the grandchildren of others, golf, bowling, homebrew beer, diseases of children, campers, brothers, et cetera, and am just as annoyed to see that crap here as some are to see politics. |
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On Thu, 26 Feb 2009 09:24:10 -0600, thunder
wrote: On Thu, 26 Feb 2009 09:49:39 -0500, RLM wrote: Good points but the last thing this boating group needs is more political discussions. Amen. OK, I'll do my part. Most/all of my posts here have been political, but while the group remains apolitical, I will cease and desist the temptation. I don't think there's any guaranty that the group will remain totally apolitical but the effort has to start somewhere. Hopefully you are interested in boats, if not you may be in the wrong place. Spring is coming, even north of the Mason-Dixon line, and the sound of sanding and the smell of fresh paint and varnish will soon be in the air at boatyards everywhere. Even here in Florida people are taking advantage of the dry season to haul boats and get maintenance done. It's time to start thinking about summer plans, equipment upgrades and all of the rest. |
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Wayne.B wrote:
On Thu, 26 Feb 2009 09:24:10 -0600, thunder wrote: On Thu, 26 Feb 2009 09:49:39 -0500, RLM wrote: Good points but the last thing this boating group needs is more political discussions. Amen. OK, I'll do my part. Most/all of my posts here have been political, but while the group remains apolitical, I will cease and desist the temptation. I don't think there's any guaranty that the group will remain totally apolitical but the effort has to start somewhere. Hopefully you are interested in boats, if not you may be in the wrong place. Spring is coming, even north of the Mason-Dixon line, and the sound of sanding and the smell of fresh paint and varnish will soon be in the air at boatyards everywhere. Even here in Florida people are taking advantage of the dry season to haul boats and get maintenance done. It's time to start thinking about summer plans, equipment upgrades and all of the rest. And while you are at it, why not save your insults for the JustHate Double Secret Discussion Board? |
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"jps" wrote in message This is the Republican savior? Gen Petraeus will be the next President. |
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On Feb 25, 9:56*pm, BAR wrote:
HK wrote: jps wrote: Needs to make a guest appearance on 30 Rock. This is the Republican savior? Steele, Boner (sic), Cantor and Jindal. The Dream Team After the big buildup the Repubs and some in the media gave him, I thought his presentation was laughable. His one idea for revitalizing the economy: cut taxes. In other words, the same old crap that has not worked for the last eight years,. It's worked over the previous 6 or so recessions in the preceding 90 years. FDR tried to spend us out of the depression and he only succeeded in lengthening the depression. The only thing that got us out of the Depression was WWII. where we spent alot of money. |
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On Thu, 26 Feb 2009 09:24:10 -0600, thunder
wrote: On Thu, 26 Feb 2009 09:49:39 -0500, RLM wrote: Good points but the last thing this boating group needs is more political discussions. Amen. OK, I'll do my part. Most/all of my posts here have been political, but while the group remains apolitical, I will cease and desist the temptation. Thunder, if the other folks here of your politcal persuasion could keep a civil tongue, as you do, politics wouldn't be such a big problem either. For some, politics just presents another opportunity for name-calling and personal insults. -- Calling an Illegal Alien an "Undocumented Worker" is like calling a Crack Dealer an "Unlicensed Pharmacist" John H |
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On Feb 26, 3:24*pm, HK wrote:
wrote: On Thu, 26 Feb 2009 14:40:56 -0500, John H wrote: On Thu, 26 Feb 2009 09:24:10 -0600, thunder wrote: On Thu, 26 Feb 2009 09:49:39 -0500, RLM wrote: Good points but the last thing this boating group needs is more political discussions. Amen. OK, I'll do my part. *Most/all of my posts here have been political, but while the group remains apolitical, I will cease and desist the temptation. Thunder, if the other folks here of your politcal persuasion could keep a civil tongue, as you do, politics wouldn't be such a big problem either. For some, politics just presents another opportunity for name-calling and personal insults. Shut up, asshole. You are in no position to be telling anybody else what to do. Just go the **** away and don't come back. I second that motion. He's got justhate, loogy, and the rest of the retardos to play with...no need for him to post here.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Funny, you call me "just hate" so I leave. I come back after a couple of weeks and find all you salty and donnie are doing with the group is trashing me, acting like vulgar little children, and crying about about some imaginary group. Pfffttt... |
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wrote in message ... On Feb 26, 3:24 pm, HK wrote: wrote: On Thu, 26 Feb 2009 14:40:56 -0500, John H wrote: On Thu, 26 Feb 2009 09:24:10 -0600, thunder wrote: On Thu, 26 Feb 2009 09:49:39 -0500, RLM wrote: Good points but the last thing this boating group needs is more political discussions. Amen. OK, I'll do my part. Most/all of my posts here have been political, but while the group remains apolitical, I will cease and desist the temptation. Thunder, if the other folks here of your politcal persuasion could keep a civil tongue, as you do, politics wouldn't be such a big problem either. For some, politics just presents another opportunity for name-calling and personal insults. Shut up, asshole. You are in no position to be telling anybody else what to do. Just go the **** away and don't come back. I second that motion. He's got justhate, loogy, and the rest of the retardos to play with...no need for him to post here.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Funny, you call me "just hate" so I leave. I come back after a couple of weeks and find all you salty and donnie are doing with the group is trashing me, acting like vulgar little children, and crying about about some imaginary group. Pfffttt... ************************************************** ***** Oh boy! There goes the neighbourhood. It was nice & quiet while it lasted. |
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On Feb 26, 9:38*am, HK wrote:
RLM wrote: On Thu, 26 Feb 2009 08:35:28 -0500, Wayne.B wrote: On Thu, 26 Feb 2009 07:15:46 -0500, BAR wrote: Pulling the lever for a Democrat because your grandfather voted for FDR is not the mark of an intelligent person. Conversely, pulling the lever for a Republican just because your grandfather voted for a Republican sometime in the past is just as stupid. Good points but the last thing this boating group needs is more political discussions. Amen. If it would only stay with "Boating". The political minds might try the political groups and find were some, with other interests percieve the country and the world. There are plenty of political groups that require thicker skin than many have here. The same with other interests that sneak their heads in here. Even I can manage to listen with my eyes well enough. I'd be delighted if this were a 90% boating discussion group. Now that many of the non-boaters have left, maybe it will happen. I have no interest in the grandchildren of others, golf, bowling, homebrew beer, diseases of children, campers, brothers, et cetera, and am just as annoyed to see that crap here as some are to see politics.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Now Krausie, don't get your panties in a wad. Isn't it about time for the next Yale Alumni gathering. That always seems to calm you down a tad. |
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Don White wrote:
wrote in message ... On Feb 26, 3:24 pm, HK wrote: wrote: On Thu, 26 Feb 2009 14:40:56 -0500, John H wrote: On Thu, 26 Feb 2009 09:24:10 -0600, thunder wrote: On Thu, 26 Feb 2009 09:49:39 -0500, RLM wrote: Good points but the last thing this boating group needs is more political discussions. Amen. OK, I'll do my part. Most/all of my posts here have been political, but while the group remains apolitical, I will cease and desist the temptation. Thunder, if the other folks here of your politcal persuasion could keep a civil tongue, as you do, politics wouldn't be such a big problem either. For some, politics just presents another opportunity for name-calling and personal insults. Shut up, asshole. You are in no position to be telling anybody else what to do. Just go the **** away and don't come back. I second that motion. He's got justhate, loogy, and the rest of the retardos to play with...no need for him to post here.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Funny, you call me "just hate" so I leave. I come back after a couple of weeks and find all you salty and donnie are doing with the group is trashing me, acting like vulgar little children, and crying about about some imaginary group. Pfffttt... ************************************************** ***** Oh boy! There goes the neighbourhood. It was nice & quiet while it lasted. Really. It's nicer around here when the crappers like JustHate and Herring stay away. |
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On Feb 26, 8:16*pm, wrote:
On Thu, 26 Feb 2009 09:57:53 -0800 (PST), wf3h wrote: It's worked over the previous 6 or so recessions in the preceding 90 years. FDR tried to spend us out of the depression and he only succeeded in lengthening the depression. The only thing that got us out of the Depression was WWII. where we spent alot of money. The big difference after 1940 was we were contracting private industry to build things instead of paying government workers to do everything and we stopped taxing the corporations into bankruptcy. now the corporations have gotten even; they've taxed us into bankruptcy |
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wrote in message ... On Fri, 27 Feb 2009 15:19:52 -0500, HK wrote: So, you are in favor of welfare for corporate losses. Fascinating. Not at all but simply condemning all corporations for the flaws of a few is short sighted. It's more than a few. Not in the grand scheme of things. There are probably 100,000 thousand corporations in the US, not counting the Type S guys. The government is cutting bailout checks for a handful of them, mostly banks including a lot of foreign banks. I am one of those who think GM and Chrysler could go into chapter 11 and it wouldn't be the end of the world as we know it. They certainly need a better business plan than they are showing us to deserve all the money we are talking about throwing at them. Harry has a very broad paint brush because it serves his POV. You are 100% correct in your analysis. Good on you. Eisboch |
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Eisboch wrote:
wrote in message ... On Fri, 27 Feb 2009 15:19:52 -0500, HK wrote: So, you are in favor of welfare for corporate losses. Fascinating. Not at all but simply condemning all corporations for the flaws of a few is short sighted. It's more than a few. Not in the grand scheme of things. There are probably 100,000 thousand corporations in the US, not counting the Type S guys. The government is cutting bailout checks for a handful of them, mostly banks including a lot of foreign banks. I am one of those who think GM and Chrysler could go into chapter 11 and it wouldn't be the end of the world as we know it. They certainly need a better business plan than they are showing us to deserve all the money we are talking about throwing at them. Harry has a very broad paint brush because it serves his POV. You are 100% correct in your analysis. Good on you. Eisboch Not a day goes by without one or two significant corporations either going teats up or coming close to it. Maybe the corporate model we have is...flawed. |
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HK wrote:
Eisboch wrote: wrote in message ... On Fri, 27 Feb 2009 15:19:52 -0500, HK wrote: So, you are in favor of welfare for corporate losses. Fascinating. Not at all but simply condemning all corporations for the flaws of a few is short sighted. It's more than a few. Not in the grand scheme of things. There are probably 100,000 thousand corporations in the US, not counting the Type S guys. The government is cutting bailout checks for a handful of them, mostly banks including a lot of foreign banks. I am one of those who think GM and Chrysler could go into chapter 11 and it wouldn't be the end of the world as we know it. They certainly need a better business plan than they are showing us to deserve all the money we are talking about throwing at them. Harry has a very broad paint brush because it serves his POV. You are 100% correct in your analysis. Good on you. Eisboch Not a day goes by without one or two significant corporations either going teats up or coming close to it. Maybe the corporate model we have is...flawed. There is nothing wrong with the model except that nobody want to let the model work by utilizing its self correcting feature. Bad corporations fail by going bankrupt. Too bad bad employees can suffer the same correction by being fired. |
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On Fri, 27 Feb 2009 19:45:20 -0500, "Eisboch"
wrote: wrote in message .. . On Fri, 27 Feb 2009 15:19:52 -0500, HK wrote: So, you are in favor of welfare for corporate losses. Fascinating. Not at all but simply condemning all corporations for the flaws of a few is short sighted. It's more than a few. Not in the grand scheme of things. There are probably 100,000 thousand corporations in the US, not counting the Type S guys. The government is cutting bailout checks for a handful of them, mostly banks including a lot of foreign banks. I am one of those who think GM and Chrysler could go into chapter 11 and it wouldn't be the end of the world as we know it. They certainly need a better business plan than they are showing us to deserve all the money we are talking about throwing at them. Harry has a very broad paint brush because it serves his POV. You are 100% correct in your analysis. Good on you. There are many honest, ethical corps, and they make nearly all the wheels go round. When they become publicly traded and in thrall to Wall Street "analysts" they often become corrupt. No sense of their product, their community, nor of company "culture." The concept of "shareholder value" distorts their original purpose and intent. There are many here who worked in publicly traded companies and saw it happen real time. That original intent and purpose of a corporation is usually tied to a product(s) and the communities the corps operate in. Once Wall Street gets their hooks in, it's only about short term money. That's all. Money. Didn't used to be like that. Shares were sold to raise capital to expand and improve the original products of the corp. Corporations had a set of ethics and culture engendered by the founders, and carried on by successors. Most here are old enough to remember when you bought stocks in a good company to provide you with dividend returns when you retired. Not to make 15-20% yearly return in share price escalation. Some dabbled a little side money in speculating, but it wasn't a way of life. Globalism and 401k contributions allowed the sharks to get out of hand. But I think we've seen the last of that kind of bubble. It will be interesting to see what kind of turns the 401k program takes now. I might be wrong about all that though. --Vic |
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