What do Bernie Madoff and Global Warming...
 

On Fri, 30 Jan 2009 13:39:03 +0000, Wizard of Woodstock wrote:


Here's a fact for you - there were more buffalo running around the Great
Plains of the US than the entire dairy and beef industry herds currently
in production. Buffalos fart too.

Come on, everyone knows cows are way more flatulent than buffalo. It's
the diet. ;-) IIRC, the Gaia theory holds that termites are responsible
for the supply of methane.

What do Bernie Madoff and Global Warming...
 

HK wrote:
Eisboch wrote:

"HK" wrote in message
...
Wizard of Woodstock wrote:
have in common?

"By now far too many scientists have knowingly colluded in an historic
fraud, one that would put Bernie Madoff to shame. We are seeing
political larceny here on a truly planetary scale."

http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/anthrop...ud-in-history/


Facts debunk the myths:

http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au...017272,00.html




You are sooooooo unconvincing. What I cannot figure out is what is
motivating the righties to fight so hard against ways to lessen man's
impact on the environment.


I don't think anyone is against protecting the environment.
What many are against is reactionary, knee-jerk over-responses to
"problems"
that doesn't exist in the qualified opinion of many experts.

The calls to action often cause more problems than the initial concern.

Eisboch


That's the gentleman's response. My guess is that many on the right who
are protesting the loudest simply don't want anything to interfere with
their "enjoyment" even if it means further despoiling of the environment.

I am completely for protecting the environment, as I enjoy getting out
in the woods even when it is zero. The snow makes every thing very
pretty. In the summer I also enjoy the woods and sailing.

I also read a lot of history and realize that any changes in the climate
are just the cyclic variations that have been going on for thousands of
years. It has been hotter in the past and will be colder in the future.

It is ironic that National Geographic which pushes global warming has an
article on Nansen which show the arctic ice receded as far back then as
it is today. That was over 110 years ago. Believe it or not they ignore
that fact.

A thousand years ago the Viking were taking ships much further north
than we can go today. There have been in more recent times when there
was no summer, as it snow even in July and August the summer months.

I know the hockey stick graphs of the temperatures of the pass ten
thousands of years are not accepted by popular opinion today, but a
significant temperature drop would have far greater consequences to our
culture than a rise. Can you imagine an economy dependent on corn and
windmills for energy if the average temperature drop 10 degrees? I
doubt if those windmill blades could stand 2 inches of ice.

What do Bernie Madoff and Global Warming...
 

On Fri, 30 Jan 2009 07:34:50 -0500, HK wrote:

Wizard of Woodstock wrote:
have in common?

"By now far too many scientists have knowingly colluded in an historic
fraud, one that would put Bernie Madoff to shame. We are seeing
political larceny here on a truly planetary scale."

http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/anthrop...ud-in-history/

Facts debunk the myths:

http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au...017272,00.html



You are sooooooo unconvincing. What I cannot figure out is what is
motivating the righties to fight so hard against ways to lessen man's
impact on the environment.

They want the earth and tax cuts to remain status quo.

They're just as stubboron about the (in)validity of both.

I just heard yesterday that Moody's did an analysis on how to
stimulate the economy.

Food stamps was the winner. Every $1.00, $1.73 was done in commerce.
Employment insurance was next with $1.64 per dollar invested. Tax
cuts for small business? Accellerated depreciation on new equipment
returned .33 for every dollar invested since it takes a long time for
business to identify and make the investments.

This doesn't account for the longer term effects, just the immediate
effect of stimulating the economy.

Naturally, food stamps aren't being considered in the stimulus bill.

I'm not defending the stimulus bill that's being considered. I think
it's a cluster ****.

What do Bernie Madoff and Global Warming...
 

On Fri, 30 Jan 2009 08:33:01 -0500, "Eisboch"
wrote:


As a moderate "righty", the only thing I am zealous about is finding a way
to avoid our slippery slope ride towards Socialism.

Eisboch

Then you must be enjoying our new banking system.

What do Bernie Madoff and Global Warming...
 

On Fri, 30 Jan 2009 13:41:11 GMT, Wizard of Woodstock
wrote:

On Fri, 30 Jan 2009 07:30:07 -0600, thunder
wrote:

On Fri, 30 Jan 2009 08:10:51 -0500, Eisboch wrote:


I don't think anyone is against protecting the environment. What many
are against is reactionary, knee-jerk over-responses to "problems"
that doesn't exist in the qualified opinion of many experts.

Putting aside "climate change", there are quite a few who are against
protecting the environment if it costs them a dime. There was a recent
executive order allowing mine tailings to pollute streams. There is no
disputing the pollution is real, and damaging, yet ...

I totally agree with you on this, but let's not confuse pollution with
global warming.

Would you trust people who are willing to allow mining pollution when
they tell you global warming is a crock?

Most moderates agree that something is happening with global weather
patterns and there's evidence of a shift, and man *may* have a hand in
it.

If it's a natural occurrence and our habits have potential to be the
tipping point, don't you think we should do what we can to help?

Understood that we don't know what the tipping point is but it seems
like folly to sit on our hands, insisting it has nothing to do with
us.

What do Bernie Madoff and Global Warming...
 

jps wrote:
On Fri, 30 Jan 2009 07:34:50 -0500, HK wrote:

Wizard of Woodstock wrote:
have in common?

"By now far too many scientists have knowingly colluded in an historic
fraud, one that would put Bernie Madoff to shame. We are seeing
political larceny here on a truly planetary scale."

http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/anthrop...ud-in-history/

Facts debunk the myths:

http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au...017272,00.html


You are sooooooo unconvincing. What I cannot figure out is what is
motivating the righties to fight so hard against ways to lessen man's
impact on the environment.

They want the earth and tax cuts to remain status quo.

They're just as stubboron about the (in)validity of both.

I just heard yesterday that Moody's did an analysis on how to
stimulate the economy.

Food stamps was the winner. Every $1.00, $1.73 was done in commerce.
Employment insurance was next with $1.64 per dollar invested. Tax
cuts for small business? Accellerated depreciation on new equipment
returned .33 for every dollar invested since it takes a long time for
business to identify and make the investments.

This doesn't account for the longer term effects, just the immediate
effect of stimulating the economy.

Naturally, food stamps aren't being considered in the stimulus bill.

I'm not defending the stimulus bill that's being considered. I think
it's a cluster ****.


I wouldn't have tossed in a dime to "bail out" the financial community,
and I don't believe "small business" will do anything but try to survive
in some sort of greatly reduced circumstances. Small business is not in
an expansionary mood.

I just heard made a $45 billion profit last year, and Wall Street is
handing out $18 billion in bonuses. **** 'em, and stick 'em with excess
profits taxes and special taxes on those huge unearned bonuses.

What we need is some blood on the streets and some corporate-banking
heads on pikes, followed by a restructing of society. No executive in
any company should be making more than 50 times the wage of the average
worker in that company, for starters.

We've got to start drumming out greed as a motivator.

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HK wrote:



I wouldn't have tossed in a dime to "bail out" the financial community,
and I don't believe "small business" will do anything but try to survive
in some sort of greatly reduced circumstances. Small business is not in
an expansionary mood.

**** 'em, and stick 'em with excess
profits taxes and special taxes on those huge unearned bonuses.

What we need is some blood on the streets and some corporate-banking
heads on pikes, followed by a restructing of society.

We've got to start drumming out greed as a motivator.


Have you ever wondered why you have NO input on anything? No one cares
what you think, and that is why you life consists of nothing but eating
and typing at your keyboard. How do you get those fat fingers to hit
the correct keys?
--

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On Fri, 30 Jan 2009 10:52:45 -0500, "Reginald P. Smithers III, Esq."
wrote:

HK wrote:



I wouldn't have tossed in a dime to "bail out" the financial community,
and I don't believe "small business" will do anything but try to survive
in some sort of greatly reduced circumstances. Small business is not in
an expansionary mood.

**** 'em, and stick 'em with excess
profits taxes and special taxes on those huge unearned bonuses.

What we need is some blood on the streets and some corporate-banking
heads on pikes, followed by a restructing of society.

We've got to start drumming out greed as a motivator.


Have you ever wondered why you have NO input on anything? No one cares
what you think, and that is why you life consists of nothing but eating
and typing at your keyboard. How do you get those fat fingers to hit
the correct keys?

What are you getting out of butt sniffing Harry's posts?

Does it enrich your life? Will you consider all the hours you spent
tailing him around on usenet when you're on your death bed?

Go do something productive.

What do Bernie Madoff and Global Warming...
 

On Fri, 30 Jan 2009 08:43:50 -0500, "Eisboch"
wrote:


"Wizard of Woodstock" wrote in message
.. .


Speaking of climate change .....

At what point does local weather patterns and trends shift into climate
patterns and trends?

I just want to know if the 7 foot piles of white crap piled up all over my
yard is due to weather or climate change.

By definition it's climate change. That's the beauty of it - climate
changes every second of every day of every year. :)

--

Preliminary operational tests were inconclusive
(the damn thing blew up)

What do Bernie Madoff and Global Warming...
 

On Fri, 30 Jan 2009 11:39:09 -0500, HK wrote:

Reggie is a permanent resident of my bozo bin.

You don't have a bozo bin.

Why don't you just admit it and move on.

--

"I am free of all prejudices. I hate every one equally."

W.C. Fields