On Jan 18, 12:12*pm, hk wrote:
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On Jan 18, 11:51 am, BAR wrote:
thunder wrote:
On Sun, 18 Jan 2009 11:30:33 -0500, BAR wrote:
thunder wrote:
On Sun, 18 Jan 2009 10:54:24 -0500, BAR wrote:
This highway work should have been occurring for the last 40 years due
to it being funded by federal gasoline and diesel taxes.
Yup, there's been lots of infrastructure neglected. *Hopefully, this
stimulus package will kill two birds, get the economy moving again, and
fix our crumbling bridges, and roads.
This stimulus package is nothing but a power grab. The Congress should
be strung up and beaten with a stick until the funds from the gasoline
and diesel taxes are actually spent on the roads instead of redirected
into the general fund.
The stimulus package is not going to get the economy moving again. You
could send everyone a check for $1000 and it wouldn't do anything to get
the economy moving again.
We need a long term solution, something that is going to give everyone
long term confidence that the economy is going to improve. Eliminate
corporate taxes, reduce capital gains taxes and cut personal income
taxes in half but, make sure that everyone who earns income pays taxes.
No individual gets a free ride on taxes. This will get the economy
moving again. The people will have confidence that they will have more
money to spend themselves. Businesses will have more money to spend on
capital equipment and the ability to hire more people. Investors will be
encouraged to move their money into ventures that may produce greater
returns.
Sell that tired Republican BS to someone else. *If you haven't noticed,
we have been doing what you suggest for the past 20 years, and look where
it's gotten us. *
Let's try it without the government telling the banks how and where to
lend money this time and see how it works.

The government is the last last place to turn to get the economy moving
due to the fact that they haven't got the foggiest idea of what to
invest in or how to spend money to gain the greatest impact due to the
professional politicians who control the purse strings.
Yeah, we should hire the management staff of Lehman Brothers. *I know a
few of them are looking for work as we speak.
Do you want Pelosi and Reid telling you how to spend your hard earned
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Yeah, and remember the jobs credit Obama promised, what was it, 3000
credit for every job created. This was to offset the tax increase on
middle class small business owners who had three or more employees and
claim income on C and SE. Now of course congress, well, because they
don't really work have killed this so the small business owners will
get screwed again, won't be able to afford to hire new workers.. Hell,
I guess Obama, Reid, and Pelosi don't really care, I mean, small
business owners like me don't really have the money to pay to play
anyway;( But it sure sounded good during the campaign, especially in
the face of the questions by Joe the Plumber, and the rest of us...

Why would a guy in the boat business who doesn't build boats be
concerned about the jobs credit?

If I recall, Joe the Plumber gave up being an unlicensed plumber to be a
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I dunno, maybe you should talk to someone in the boat business? I care
because we actually run a small business, with partners, contractors,
etc... It matters to anybody who works for themselves, you woudn't
understand,

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On Jan 18, 12:12 pm, hk wrote:

concerned about the jobs credit?

If I recall, Joe the Plumber gave up being an unlicensed plumber to be a
simple-minded rabble-rousing TV news reporter in Gaza.- Hide quoted text -

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I dunno, maybe you should talk to someone in the boat business? I care
because we actually run a small business, with partners, contractors,
etc... It matters to anybody who works for themselves, you woudn't
understand,


Oh, right...you run an ISP for the mentally challenged.

"hk" wrote in message
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Eisboch wrote:


Hopefully it will be structured and managed differently than the WPA
projects that Roosevelt initiated.
I was reading recently that problems with them included waste,
inefficiency, cost overruns and late schedules.
Because it was a federally backed program designed to hire unemployed
workers, the jobsite foremen had no authority to discipline or fire
slackers.

That's bad news because when some can sit on their asses and still get
paid, it affects the rest.



You think waste, inefficiency, cost overruns and late schedules are
exclusive to federally backed programs? You think private corporations
don't have the same problems?

Who fired the slackers on wall street that were mainly responsible for the
fiscal crisis we are in now?


That's not was I was referring to, but since you brought it up:

Assume two major projects or programs. One is funded by the federal
government.
The other is privately funded by the corporation doing the work.

Which one is more likely to become inefficient, incur cost over-runs and be
late?

Eisboch

"thunder" wrote in message
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On Sun, 18 Jan 2009 11:30:33 -0500, BAR wrote:


We need a long term solution, something that is going to give everyone
long term confidence that the economy is going to improve. Eliminate
corporate taxes, reduce capital gains taxes and cut personal income
taxes in half but, make sure that everyone who earns income pays taxes.
No individual gets a free ride on taxes. This will get the economy
moving again. The people will have confidence that they will have more
money to spend themselves. Businesses will have more money to spend on
capital equipment and the ability to hire more people. Investors will be
encouraged to move their money into ventures that may produce greater
returns.


Sell that tired Republican BS to someone else. If you haven't noticed,
we have been doing what you suggest for the past 20 years, and look where
it's gotten us.



A growing, expanding and healthy business base and Wall Street swindling are
two different issues. The latter was in some cases initiated by government
intervention and in all cases by the lack of government oversight of what
they initiated.

If we intend to keep capitalism as our economic engine, BAR is absolutely
correct and many honest (meaning non-politically motivated) economic
experts agree. Growing and investing businesses have always been the
catalyst for an expanding economy, employment and consumer
confidence/spending. Throw a wet towel on business in the form of taxes
and the economy slows down. Happens everytime.

Now, if you are suggesting we replace our business based economic engine
with something else, then all bets are off.

Eisboch

"hk" wrote in message
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If I recall, Joe the Plumber gave up being an unlicensed plumber to be a
simple-minded rabble-rousing TV news reporter in Gaza.

The guy recognized an unplanned opportunity and grabbed it. Good for him.

Eisboch

"hk" wrote in message
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BAR wrote:

Eliminate corporate taxes, reduce capital gains taxes and cut personal
income taxes in half but,


The same old right wing drip down bull**** that doesn't work...yet again.


Your wrong. It's worked for well over 200 years and very well. This
country did not become the world's leading economy because government ran
the show doling out stimulus checks and bailouts.

People like you love to take advantage of the non-perfect nature of
capitalism and to make hay during a slowdown. When the economy is booming
(and you benefit along with everyone else) there's rarely a peep from your
side.

Capitalism, based on private and public business, has it's flaws and it's
ups and downs that directly and historically relate to the state of the
overall economy.

Fortunately, the economic strength this country maintains will likely get us
through this recession. And the next one. And the one after that.
The reason we can recover is because of the basic principals of capitalism
rather than socialism.

Eisboch

hk wrote:
BAR wrote:
thunder wrote:
On Sun, 18 Jan 2009 10:54:24 -0500, BAR wrote:


This highway work should have been occurring for the last 40 years due
to it being funded by federal gasoline and diesel taxes.

Yup, there's been lots of infrastructure neglected. Hopefully, this
stimulus package will kill two birds, get the economy moving again,
and fix our crumbling bridges, and roads.

This stimulus package is nothing but a power grab. The Congress should
be strung up and beaten with a stick until the funds from the gasoline
and diesel taxes are actually spent on the roads instead of redirected
into the general fund.

The stimulus package is not going to get the economy moving again. You
could send everyone a check for $1000 and it wouldn't do anything to
get the economy moving again.

Eliminate corporate taxes, reduce capital gains taxes and cut personal
income taxes in half but,


The same old right wing drip down bull**** that doesn't work...yet again.

How many poor people have hired you?

The only way poor people should get more money is to work for it.

hk wrote:
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On Jan 18, 10:51 am, BAR wrote:
hk wrote:
BAR wrote:
HK wrote:
BAR wrote:
hk wrote:
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Parallels? What parallels.
Perhaps if you had stayed in school a little longer...
I went to Yale and graduate with a BA.
I doubt you were graduated from high school.
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Most of us can say that, I have a Yale degree just like Harry, I have
a Lobsta' boat, just like Harry.. Whew, I am a lucky man...

I doubt you got past the 8th grade.

Scotty and I graduated from Yale and received BA's just like you did Harry.

On Sun, 18 Jan 2009 10:39:12 -0600, thunder
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This time around, I believe most of the moneys will be to private sector
employers. When FDR started the WPA, he was on new ground. Obama has
the advantage of 70 years of hindsight. Hopefully, it will work out.

Beware - remember The Big Dig. :)

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"I am free of all prejudices. I hate every one equally."

W.C. Fields

Wizard of Woodstock wrote:
On Sun, 18 Jan 2009 10:39:12 -0600, thunder
wrote:

This time around, I believe most of the moneys will be to private sector
employers. When FDR started the WPA, he was on new ground. Obama has
the advantage of 70 years of hindsight. Hopefully, it will work out.

Beware - remember The Big Dig. :)

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Indeed, work at the Big Dig was performed by private-sector contractors,
under the supervision of Bechtel Corporation and Parsons Brinckerhoff.

Other large corporate managers and contractors included Jay Cashman,
Modern Continental, Obayashi Corporation, Perini Corporation, Peter
Kiewit Sons' Incorporated, J.F. White, and the Slattery division of
Skanska USA.

And of course, let's not forget the incredible cost overruns and
screwups of the private corporate contractors in Iraq.