thunder wrote:
On Sun, 18 Jan 2009 10:54:24 -0500, BAR wrote:


This highway work should have been occurring for the last 40 years due
to it being funded by federal gasoline and diesel taxes.

Yup, there's been lots of infrastructure neglected. Hopefully, this
stimulus package will kill two birds, get the economy moving again, and
fix our crumbling bridges, and roads.

This stimulus package is nothing but a power grab. The Congress should
be strung up and beaten with a stick until the funds from the gasoline
and diesel taxes are actually spent on the roads instead of redirected
into the general fund.

The stimulus package is not going to get the economy moving again. You
could send everyone a check for $1000 and it wouldn't do anything to get
the economy moving again.

We need a long term solution, something that is going to give everyone
long term confidence that the economy is going to improve. Eliminate
corporate taxes, reduce capital gains taxes and cut personal income
taxes in half but, make sure that everyone who earns income pays taxes.
No individual gets a free ride on taxes. This will get the economy
moving again. The people will have confidence that they will have more
money to spend themselves. Businesses will have more money to spend on
capital equipment and the ability to hire more people. Investors will be
encouraged to move their money into ventures that may produce greater
returns.

The government is the last last place to turn to get the economy moving
due to the fact that they haven't got the foggiest idea of what to
invest in or how to spend money to gain the greatest impact due to the
professional politicians who control the purse strings.

On Sun, 18 Jan 2009 11:30:33 -0500, BAR wrote:

thunder wrote:
On Sun, 18 Jan 2009 10:54:24 -0500, BAR wrote:


This highway work should have been occurring for the last 40 years due
to it being funded by federal gasoline and diesel taxes.

Yup, there's been lots of infrastructure neglected. Hopefully, this
stimulus package will kill two birds, get the economy moving again, and
fix our crumbling bridges, and roads.

This stimulus package is nothing but a power grab. The Congress should
be strung up and beaten with a stick until the funds from the gasoline
and diesel taxes are actually spent on the roads instead of redirected
into the general fund.

The stimulus package is not going to get the economy moving again. You
could send everyone a check for $1000 and it wouldn't do anything to get
the economy moving again.

We need a long term solution, something that is going to give everyone
long term confidence that the economy is going to improve. Eliminate
corporate taxes, reduce capital gains taxes and cut personal income
taxes in half but, make sure that everyone who earns income pays taxes.
No individual gets a free ride on taxes. This will get the economy
moving again. The people will have confidence that they will have more
money to spend themselves. Businesses will have more money to spend on
capital equipment and the ability to hire more people. Investors will be
encouraged to move their money into ventures that may produce greater
returns.

Sell that tired Republican BS to someone else. If you haven't noticed,
we have been doing what you suggest for the past 20 years, and look where
it's gotten us.

The government is the last last place to turn to get the economy moving
due to the fact that they haven't got the foggiest idea of what to
invest in or how to spend money to gain the greatest impact due to the
professional politicians who control the purse strings.

Yeah, we should hire the management staff of Lehman Brothers. I know a
few of them are looking for work as we speak.

thunder wrote:
On Sun, 18 Jan 2009 11:30:33 -0500, BAR wrote:

thunder wrote:
On Sun, 18 Jan 2009 10:54:24 -0500, BAR wrote:


This highway work should have been occurring for the last 40 years due
to it being funded by federal gasoline and diesel taxes.
Yup, there's been lots of infrastructure neglected. Hopefully, this
stimulus package will kill two birds, get the economy moving again, and
fix our crumbling bridges, and roads.
This stimulus package is nothing but a power grab. The Congress should
be strung up and beaten with a stick until the funds from the gasoline
and diesel taxes are actually spent on the roads instead of redirected
into the general fund.

The stimulus package is not going to get the economy moving again. You
could send everyone a check for $1000 and it wouldn't do anything to get
the economy moving again.

We need a long term solution, something that is going to give everyone
long term confidence that the economy is going to improve. Eliminate
corporate taxes, reduce capital gains taxes and cut personal income
taxes in half but, make sure that everyone who earns income pays taxes.
No individual gets a free ride on taxes. This will get the economy
moving again. The people will have confidence that they will have more
money to spend themselves. Businesses will have more money to spend on
capital equipment and the ability to hire more people. Investors will be
encouraged to move their money into ventures that may produce greater
returns.

Sell that tired Republican BS to someone else. If you haven't noticed,
we have been doing what you suggest for the past 20 years, and look where
it's gotten us.

Let's try it without the government telling the banks how and where to
lend money this time and see how it works.

The government is the last last place to turn to get the economy moving
due to the fact that they haven't got the foggiest idea of what to
invest in or how to spend money to gain the greatest impact due to the
professional politicians who control the purse strings.

Yeah, we should hire the management staff of Lehman Brothers. I know a
few of them are looking for work as we speak.

Do you want Pelosi and Reid telling you how to spend your hard earned
money? We well on the way to that happening. I hope you enjoy it.

On Jan 18, 11:51*am, BAR wrote:
thunder wrote:
On Sun, 18 Jan 2009 11:30:33 -0500, BAR wrote:

thunder wrote:
On Sun, 18 Jan 2009 10:54:24 -0500, BAR wrote:

This highway work should have been occurring for the last 40 years due
to it being funded by federal gasoline and diesel taxes.
Yup, there's been lots of infrastructure neglected. *Hopefully, this
stimulus package will kill two birds, get the economy moving again, and
fix our crumbling bridges, and roads.
This stimulus package is nothing but a power grab. The Congress should
be strung up and beaten with a stick until the funds from the gasoline
and diesel taxes are actually spent on the roads instead of redirected
into the general fund.

The stimulus package is not going to get the economy moving again. You
could send everyone a check for $1000 and it wouldn't do anything to get
the economy moving again.

We need a long term solution, something that is going to give everyone
long term confidence that the economy is going to improve. Eliminate
corporate taxes, reduce capital gains taxes and cut personal income
taxes in half but, make sure that everyone who earns income pays taxes..
No individual gets a free ride on taxes. This will get the economy
moving again. The people will have confidence that they will have more
money to spend themselves. Businesses will have more money to spend on
capital equipment and the ability to hire more people. Investors will be
encouraged to move their money into ventures that may produce greater
returns.

Sell that tired Republican BS to someone else. *If you haven't noticed,
we have been doing what you suggest for the past 20 years, and look where
it's gotten us. *

Let's try it without the government telling the banks how and where to
lend money this time and see how it works.

The government is the last last place to turn to get the economy moving
due to the fact that they haven't got the foggiest idea of what to
invest in or how to spend money to gain the greatest impact due to the
professional politicians who control the purse strings.

Yeah, we should hire the management staff of Lehman Brothers. *I know a
few of them are looking for work as we speak.

Do you want Pelosi and Reid telling you how to spend your hard earned
money? We well on the way to that happening. I hope you enjoy it.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Yeah, and remember the jobs credit Obama promised, what was it, 3000
credit for every job created. This was to offset the tax increase on
middle class small business owners who had three or more employees and
claim income on C and SE. Now of course congress, well, because they
don't really work have killed this so the small business owners will
get screwed again, won't be able to afford to hire new workers.. Hell,
I guess Obama, Reid, and Pelosi don't really care, I mean, small
business owners like me don't really have the money to pay to play
anyway;( But it sure sounded good during the campaign, especially in
the face of the questions by Joe the Plumber, and the rest of us...

wrote:
On Jan 18, 11:51 am, BAR wrote:
thunder wrote:
On Sun, 18 Jan 2009 11:30:33 -0500, BAR wrote:
thunder wrote:
On Sun, 18 Jan 2009 10:54:24 -0500, BAR wrote:
This highway work should have been occurring for the last 40 years due
to it being funded by federal gasoline and diesel taxes.
Yup, there's been lots of infrastructure neglected. Hopefully, this
stimulus package will kill two birds, get the economy moving again, and
fix our crumbling bridges, and roads.
This stimulus package is nothing but a power grab. The Congress should
be strung up and beaten with a stick until the funds from the gasoline
and diesel taxes are actually spent on the roads instead of redirected
into the general fund.
The stimulus package is not going to get the economy moving again. You
could send everyone a check for $1000 and it wouldn't do anything to get
the economy moving again.
We need a long term solution, something that is going to give everyone
long term confidence that the economy is going to improve. Eliminate
corporate taxes, reduce capital gains taxes and cut personal income
taxes in half but, make sure that everyone who earns income pays taxes.
No individual gets a free ride on taxes. This will get the economy
moving again. The people will have confidence that they will have more
money to spend themselves. Businesses will have more money to spend on
capital equipment and the ability to hire more people. Investors will be
encouraged to move their money into ventures that may produce greater
returns.
Sell that tired Republican BS to someone else. If you haven't noticed,
we have been doing what you suggest for the past 20 years, and look where
it's gotten us.
Let's try it without the government telling the banks how and where to
lend money this time and see how it works.

The government is the last last place to turn to get the economy moving
due to the fact that they haven't got the foggiest idea of what to
invest in or how to spend money to gain the greatest impact due to the
professional politicians who control the purse strings.
Yeah, we should hire the management staff of Lehman Brothers. I know a
few of them are looking for work as we speak.
Do you want Pelosi and Reid telling you how to spend your hard earned
money? We well on the way to that happening. I hope you enjoy it.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Yeah, and remember the jobs credit Obama promised, what was it, 3000
credit for every job created. This was to offset the tax increase on
middle class small business owners who had three or more employees and
claim income on C and SE. Now of course congress, well, because they
don't really work have killed this so the small business owners will
get screwed again, won't be able to afford to hire new workers.. Hell,
I guess Obama, Reid, and Pelosi don't really care, I mean, small
business owners like me don't really have the money to pay to play
anyway;( But it sure sounded good during the campaign, especially in
the face of the questions by Joe the Plumber, and the rest of us...


Why would a guy in the boat business who doesn't build boats be
concerned about the jobs credit?

If I recall, Joe the Plumber gave up being an unlicensed plumber to be a
simple-minded rabble-rousing TV news reporter in Gaza.

On Jan 18, 12:12*pm, hk wrote:
wrote:
On Jan 18, 11:51 am, BAR wrote:
thunder wrote:
On Sun, 18 Jan 2009 11:30:33 -0500, BAR wrote:
thunder wrote:
On Sun, 18 Jan 2009 10:54:24 -0500, BAR wrote:
This highway work should have been occurring for the last 40 years due
to it being funded by federal gasoline and diesel taxes.
Yup, there's been lots of infrastructure neglected. *Hopefully, this
stimulus package will kill two birds, get the economy moving again, and
fix our crumbling bridges, and roads.
This stimulus package is nothing but a power grab. The Congress should
be strung up and beaten with a stick until the funds from the gasoline
and diesel taxes are actually spent on the roads instead of redirected
into the general fund.
The stimulus package is not going to get the economy moving again. You
could send everyone a check for $1000 and it wouldn't do anything to get
the economy moving again.
We need a long term solution, something that is going to give everyone
long term confidence that the economy is going to improve. Eliminate
corporate taxes, reduce capital gains taxes and cut personal income
taxes in half but, make sure that everyone who earns income pays taxes.
No individual gets a free ride on taxes. This will get the economy
moving again. The people will have confidence that they will have more
money to spend themselves. Businesses will have more money to spend on
capital equipment and the ability to hire more people. Investors will be
encouraged to move their money into ventures that may produce greater
returns.
Sell that tired Republican BS to someone else. *If you haven't noticed,
we have been doing what you suggest for the past 20 years, and look where
it's gotten us. *
Let's try it without the government telling the banks how and where to
lend money this time and see how it works.

The government is the last last place to turn to get the economy moving
due to the fact that they haven't got the foggiest idea of what to
invest in or how to spend money to gain the greatest impact due to the
professional politicians who control the purse strings.
Yeah, we should hire the management staff of Lehman Brothers. *I know a
few of them are looking for work as we speak.
Do you want Pelosi and Reid telling you how to spend your hard earned
money? We well on the way to that happening. I hope you enjoy it.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Yeah, and remember the jobs credit Obama promised, what was it, 3000
credit for every job created. This was to offset the tax increase on
middle class small business owners who had three or more employees and
claim income on C and SE. Now of course congress, well, because they
don't really work have killed this so the small business owners will
get screwed again, won't be able to afford to hire new workers.. Hell,
I guess Obama, Reid, and Pelosi don't really care, I mean, small
business owners like me don't really have the money to pay to play
anyway;( But it sure sounded good during the campaign, especially in
the face of the questions by Joe the Plumber, and the rest of us...

Why would a guy in the boat business who doesn't build boats be
concerned about the jobs credit?

If I recall, Joe the Plumber gave up being an unlicensed plumber to be a
simple-minded rabble-rousing TV news reporter in Gaza.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

I dunno, maybe you should talk to someone in the boat business? I care
because we actually run a small business, with partners, contractors,
etc... It matters to anybody who works for themselves, you woudn't
understand,

wrote:
On Jan 18, 12:12 pm, hk wrote:

concerned about the jobs credit?

If I recall, Joe the Plumber gave up being an unlicensed plumber to be a
simple-minded rabble-rousing TV news reporter in Gaza.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

I dunno, maybe you should talk to someone in the boat business? I care
because we actually run a small business, with partners, contractors,
etc... It matters to anybody who works for themselves, you woudn't
understand,


Oh, right...you run an ISP for the mentally challenged.

"hk" wrote in message
...


If I recall, Joe the Plumber gave up being an unlicensed plumber to be a
simple-minded rabble-rousing TV news reporter in Gaza.

The guy recognized an unplanned opportunity and grabbed it. Good for him.

Eisboch

"thunder" wrote in message
t...

On Sun, 18 Jan 2009 11:30:33 -0500, BAR wrote:


We need a long term solution, something that is going to give everyone
long term confidence that the economy is going to improve. Eliminate
corporate taxes, reduce capital gains taxes and cut personal income
taxes in half but, make sure that everyone who earns income pays taxes.
No individual gets a free ride on taxes. This will get the economy
moving again. The people will have confidence that they will have more
money to spend themselves. Businesses will have more money to spend on
capital equipment and the ability to hire more people. Investors will be
encouraged to move their money into ventures that may produce greater
returns.


Sell that tired Republican BS to someone else. If you haven't noticed,
we have been doing what you suggest for the past 20 years, and look where
it's gotten us.



A growing, expanding and healthy business base and Wall Street swindling are
two different issues. The latter was in some cases initiated by government
intervention and in all cases by the lack of government oversight of what
they initiated.

If we intend to keep capitalism as our economic engine, BAR is absolutely
correct and many honest (meaning non-politically motivated) economic
experts agree. Growing and investing businesses have always been the
catalyst for an expanding economy, employment and consumer
confidence/spending. Throw a wet towel on business in the form of taxes
and the economy slows down. Happens everytime.

Now, if you are suggesting we replace our business based economic engine
with something else, then all bets are off.

Eisboch

"Eisboch" wrote in message
...

"thunder" wrote in message
t...

On Sun, 18 Jan 2009 11:30:33 -0500, BAR wrote:


We need a long term solution, something that is going to give everyone
long term confidence that the economy is going to improve. Eliminate
corporate taxes, reduce capital gains taxes and cut personal income
taxes in half but, make sure that everyone who earns income pays taxes.
No individual gets a free ride on taxes. This will get the economy
moving again. The people will have confidence that they will have more
money to spend themselves. Businesses will have more money to spend on
capital equipment and the ability to hire more people. Investors will be
encouraged to move their money into ventures that may produce greater
returns.


Sell that tired Republican BS to someone else. If you haven't noticed,
we have been doing what you suggest for the past 20 years, and look where
it's gotten us.



A growing, expanding and healthy business base and Wall Street swindling
are two different issues. The latter was in some cases initiated by
government intervention and in all cases by the lack of government
oversight of what they initiated.

If we intend to keep capitalism as our economic engine, BAR is absolutely
correct and many honest (meaning non-politically motivated) economic
experts agree. Growing and investing businesses have always been the
catalyst for an expanding economy, employment and consumer
confidence/spending. Throw a wet towel on business in the form of taxes
and the economy slows down. Happens everytime.

Now, if you are suggesting we replace our business based economic engine
with something else, then all bets are off.

Eisboch

There is nothing else that works as good for so many as a fair capitalism
economic engine. Or at least not that I am aware of.

Oh, there are Hugo and Castro economics... there are failed USSR (old as in
Russia), maybe even Chinese wages anyone? How about a Vietnam or Korea life
style?

I will stick with old fashioned capitalism minus the corruption. As it is
the corruption, not the capitalism that is the problem. Ferit out the
corruption such as packaging GM for bailout, or bankers bailouts by
stripping the perpetrators of any wealth gained by these corrupt activities
and problem solved. But bailouts, just corruption gone nuts like Hugo
bribing for power....

The corruption and immoral is what is costing. Heck, some people think
Obama is going to "take care of my car payments".... OMG. Far too many are
not paying their debts is the corruption there. Now 1/2 the nation wants a
bailout.