On Sun, 18 Jan 2009 15:57:13 -0500, hk wrote:

Wizard of Woodstock wrote:
On Sun, 18 Jan 2009 15:33:45 -0500, hk wrote:

Wizard of Woodstock wrote:
On Sun, 18 Jan 2009 10:39:12 -0600, thunder
wrote:

This time around, I believe most of the moneys will be to private sector
employers. When FDR started the WPA, he was on new ground. Obama has
the advantage of 70 years of hindsight. Hopefully, it will work out.
Beware - remember The Big Dig. :)
Indeed, work at the Big Dig was performed by private-sector contractors,
under the supervision of Bechtel Corporation and Parsons Brinckerhoff.

Other large corporate managers and contractors included Jay Cashman,
Modern Continental, Obayashi Corporation, Perini Corporation, Peter
Kiewit Sons' Incorporated, J.F. White, and the Slattery division of
Skanska USA.

All under the Supervision of the Massachuetts Executive Office of
Transportation and Public Works, Massachusetts Highway Department,
Massachuetta Turnpike Authority, Boston Redevelopment Authority,
Boston Inspectional Services, Massachuetts Bay Transportation
Authority, Public Works and the Federal Department of Transportation.

Great job.

So, the corporations ripped off the taxpayers, and the governmental
overseers were not good enough to prevent it. I agree.

More like both of them ripped off the taxpayer - the featherbedding
and employment and pay considerations imposed on the corporations were
onerous and extreme.


--

Time flies when you are sick and psychotic.

On Jan 18, 4:11*pm, hk wrote:
hk wrote:
wrote:
On Jan 18, 3:50 pm, "Canuck57" wrote:
"BAR" wrote in message

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HK wrote:
BAR wrote:
hk wrote:
http://s21.photobucket.com/albums/b2...action=view&cu...

Parallels? What parallels.
Perhaps if you had stayed in school a little longer...
I went to Yale and graduate with a BA.
Did no one ever tell you about BA... Bugger All.

MBA, More Bugger All.

Most BA and MBA I know, I don't care for and they can't even
articulate what
they have been tought. *Some even mix up credit/debits and can't balance
their own cheque book.

I am not saying BA/MBA are bad, not at all. *But I consider it a "soft"
degree.

Kind of like the BS and the PHD.... Bull****. Piled Higher and
Deeper..

Your comments are typical of those who neither did well nor go far in
formal education.

or even got far.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Geeze, is that a typo? You got on me for one this morning oh, lame
one... And let's be clear. Nobody here trusts you got any further than
High School either with your lies about Yale and Rugby.... So bite
me...

Eisboch wrote:

"hk" wrote in message
...


Your comments are typical of those who neither did well nor go far in
formal education.

Education is a must. Degrees are very desirable. Degrees aren't a
problem.
People who judge their value or the value of others simply by the type
or number of degrees he/she holds is the problem.

Eisboch


I make my judgments here based upon the contents of the posts. JustWait
is a parrot of the uninformed right-wing Flatland. The conclusions he
jumps to wouldn't allow him to clear an expansion crack in a concrete
sidewalk.

There are plenty of idiots with advanced degrees...such as the current
occupant of the White House.

Wizard of Woodstock wrote:
On Sun, 18 Jan 2009 15:57:13 -0500, hk wrote:

Wizard of Woodstock wrote:
On Sun, 18 Jan 2009 15:33:45 -0500, hk wrote:

Wizard of Woodstock wrote:
On Sun, 18 Jan 2009 10:39:12 -0600, thunder
wrote:

This time around, I believe most of the moneys will be to private sector
employers. When FDR started the WPA, he was on new ground. Obama has
the advantage of 70 years of hindsight. Hopefully, it will work out.
Beware - remember The Big Dig. :)
Indeed, work at the Big Dig was performed by private-sector contractors,
under the supervision of Bechtel Corporation and Parsons Brinckerhoff.

Other large corporate managers and contractors included Jay Cashman,
Modern Continental, Obayashi Corporation, Perini Corporation, Peter
Kiewit Sons' Incorporated, J.F. White, and the Slattery division of
Skanska USA.
All under the Supervision of the Massachuetts Executive Office of
Transportation and Public Works, Massachusetts Highway Department,
Massachuetta Turnpike Authority, Boston Redevelopment Authority,
Boston Inspectional Services, Massachuetts Bay Transportation
Authority, Public Works and the Federal Department of Transportation.

Great job.
So, the corporations ripped off the taxpayers, and the governmental
overseers were not good enough to prevent it. I agree.

More like both of them ripped off the taxpayer - the featherbedding
and employment and pay considerations imposed on the corporations were
onerous and extreme.


Well, then...there is no difference between the private and public sector.

On Sun, 18 Jan 2009 21:31:18 GMT, Wizard of Woodstock
wrote:

On Sun, 18 Jan 2009 15:57:13 -0500, hk wrote:

Wizard of Woodstock wrote:
On Sun, 18 Jan 2009 15:33:45 -0500, hk wrote:

Wizard of Woodstock wrote:
On Sun, 18 Jan 2009 10:39:12 -0600, thunder
wrote:

This time around, I believe most of the moneys will be to private sector
employers. When FDR started the WPA, he was on new ground. Obama has
the advantage of 70 years of hindsight. Hopefully, it will work out.
Beware - remember The Big Dig. :)
Indeed, work at the Big Dig was performed by private-sector contractors,
under the supervision of Bechtel Corporation and Parsons Brinckerhoff.

Other large corporate managers and contractors included Jay Cashman,
Modern Continental, Obayashi Corporation, Perini Corporation, Peter
Kiewit Sons' Incorporated, J.F. White, and the Slattery division of
Skanska USA.

All under the Supervision of the Massachuetts Executive Office of
Transportation and Public Works, Massachusetts Highway Department,
Massachuetta Turnpike Authority, Boston Redevelopment Authority,
Boston Inspectional Services, Massachuetts Bay Transportation
Authority, Public Works and the Federal Department of Transportation.

Great job.

So, the corporations ripped off the taxpayers, and the governmental
overseers were not good enough to prevent it. I agree.

More like both of them ripped off the taxpayer - the featherbedding
and employment and pay considerations imposed on the corporations were
onerous and extreme.

Probably just a question of degree of rip-off.
I read a couple years ago about some of the Katrina recovery work down
south, where they were using non-union labor. Probably mostly illegal
labor.
By the time material and labor costs got to the feds it was 5 times
what it should have been.
Middlemen all over the place and not enough fed employees to do
oversight. There is some corruption in the fed itself, but once they
start subcontracting management, costs explode like dynamite.
Or C2. Maybe nitro.

--Vic



--Vic

On Sun, 18 Jan 2009 16:38:49 -0500, Boater wrote:

Wizard of Woodstock wrote:
On Sun, 18 Jan 2009 15:57:13 -0500, hk wrote:

Wizard of Woodstock wrote:
On Sun, 18 Jan 2009 15:33:45 -0500, hk wrote:

Wizard of Woodstock wrote:
On Sun, 18 Jan 2009 10:39:12 -0600, thunder
wrote:

This time around, I believe most of the moneys will be to private sector
employers. When FDR started the WPA, he was on new ground. Obama has
the advantage of 70 years of hindsight. Hopefully, it will work out.
Beware - remember The Big Dig. :)
Indeed, work at the Big Dig was performed by private-sector contractors,
under the supervision of Bechtel Corporation and Parsons Brinckerhoff.

Other large corporate managers and contractors included Jay Cashman,
Modern Continental, Obayashi Corporation, Perini Corporation, Peter
Kiewit Sons' Incorporated, J.F. White, and the Slattery division of
Skanska USA.
All under the Supervision of the Massachuetts Executive Office of
Transportation and Public Works, Massachusetts Highway Department,
Massachuetta Turnpike Authority, Boston Redevelopment Authority,
Boston Inspectional Services, Massachuetts Bay Transportation
Authority, Public Works and the Federal Department of Transportation.

Great job.
So, the corporations ripped off the taxpayers, and the governmental
overseers were not good enough to prevent it. I agree.

More like both of them ripped off the taxpayer - the featherbedding
and employment and pay considerations imposed on the corporations were
onerous and extreme.

Well, then...there is no difference between the private and public sector.

And I would suggest that if the government had stayed out of it, it
would have come in under budget and on time.

--

I dont know what your problem is, but I'll bet
its hard to pronounce.

"BAR" wrote in message
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Don White wrote:
"BAR" wrote in message
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thunder wrote:
On Sun, 18 Jan 2009 10:54:24 -0500, BAR wrote:


This highway work should have been occurring for the last 40 years due
to it being funded by federal gasoline and diesel taxes.
Yup, there's been lots of infrastructure neglected. Hopefully, this
stimulus package will kill two birds, get the economy moving again, and
fix our crumbling bridges, and roads.
This stimulus package is nothing but a power grab. The Congress should
be strung up and beaten with a stick until the funds from the gasoline
and diesel taxes are actually spent on the roads instead of redirected
into the general fund.

The stimulus package is not going to get the economy moving again. You
could send everyone a check for $1000 and it wouldn't do anything to get
the economy moving again.

We need a long term solution, something that is going to give everyone
long term confidence that the economy is going to improve. Eliminate
corporate taxes, reduce capital gains taxes and cut personal income
taxes in half but, make sure that everyone who earns income pays taxes.
No individual gets a free ride on taxes. This will get the economy
moving again. The people will have confidence that they will have more
money to spend themselves. Businesses will have more money to spend on
capital equipment and the ability to hire more people. Investors will be
encouraged to move their money into ventures that may produce greater
returns.

The government is the last last place to turn to get the economy moving
due to the fact that they haven't got the foggiest idea of what to
invest in or how to spend money to gain the greatest impact due to the
professional politicians who control the purse strings.

You're as bad as Justhate... always looking to weasel out of paying your
fair share of taxes.

What is "a fair share of taxes?"

Don't ask statist government that, they want it all and then some.

Who's supposed to pay for Bushs' adventures in the Middle East?

Who's supposed to pay for Obama's "national health care?"

Obama hasn't figured that out yet.

Promise a lot and appologise later. The leftist way. And if he does go for
it, look out taxations. I bet renounciation of American citizenship grows
through the roof as they move their money and wealth off shore.

Want to see what statism costs:

http://oldfraser.lexi.net/media/medi.../20010613.html

And try this calculator:

http://www.fraserinstitute.org/tools/Default.htm

Then look at your current taxes. Newfoundland where government intimidates
provincializing businesses is the highest, Alberta being socially more like
a republican state is the lowest in Canada.

Now you know why I live in Alberta. But it isn't as good as Wisconsin.

"hk" wrote in message
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Canuck57 wrote:
"BAR" wrote in message
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HK wrote:
BAR wrote:
hk wrote:
http://s21.photobucket.com/albums/b2...n_Portrait.flv
Parallels? What parallels.


Perhaps if you had stayed in school a little longer...
I went to Yale and graduate with a BA.

Did no one ever tell you about BA... Bugger All.

MBA, More Bugger All.

Most BA and MBA I know, I don't care for and they can't even articulate
what they have been tought. Some even mix up credit/debits and can't
balance their own cheque book.

I am not saying BA/MBA are bad, not at all. But I consider it a "soft"
degree.

You hang with the wrong crowd.

Not at all, my crowd is intellectually stimulating. Most of the people I
enjoy hanging around with have degrees and some have masters as well. But
usually in hard core sciences, electronics engineering, physics, mathematics
and one friend even has astrophysics. But degrees are not not needed, my
best friend was old navy, sub maintenance. Has his commercial pilots
license, certified for airplane maintenace for planes, helicopter pilot,
into computers in a big way... pretty sharp dude and likes good Scotish
Scotch too.

We all seem to have a dislike for MBAs....LOL. Probably because business
BSers like to treat technical people like nose drips. When they should view
it as they are just one member of a team just like anyone else. But often
these twits get the power, and good technical people learn real quick when
to buck them off.

And no, I am not in academia. Just know 3/5 MBA/BAs I have met are useless
and over paid. You know, like many corporations where you have 10 managers
and one worker that knows how it really works.

Tom Francis - SWSports wrote:
On Sun, 18 Jan 2009 16:38:49 -0500, Boater wrote:

Wizard of Woodstock wrote:
On Sun, 18 Jan 2009 15:57:13 -0500, hk wrote:

Wizard of Woodstock wrote:
On Sun, 18 Jan 2009 15:33:45 -0500, hk wrote:

Wizard of Woodstock wrote:
On Sun, 18 Jan 2009 10:39:12 -0600, thunder
wrote:

This time around, I believe most of the moneys will be to private sector
employers. When FDR started the WPA, he was on new ground. Obama has
the advantage of 70 years of hindsight. Hopefully, it will work out.
Beware - remember The Big Dig. :)
Indeed, work at the Big Dig was performed by private-sector contractors,
under the supervision of Bechtel Corporation and Parsons Brinckerhoff.

Other large corporate managers and contractors included Jay Cashman,
Modern Continental, Obayashi Corporation, Perini Corporation, Peter
Kiewit Sons' Incorporated, J.F. White, and the Slattery division of
Skanska USA.
All under the Supervision of the Massachuetts Executive Office of
Transportation and Public Works, Massachusetts Highway Department,
Massachuetta Turnpike Authority, Boston Redevelopment Authority,
Boston Inspectional Services, Massachuetts Bay Transportation
Authority, Public Works and the Federal Department of Transportation.

Great job.
So, the corporations ripped off the taxpayers, and the governmental
overseers were not good enough to prevent it. I agree.
More like both of them ripped off the taxpayer - the featherbedding
and employment and pay considerations imposed on the corporations were
onerous and extreme.

Well, then...there is no difference between the private and public sector.

And I would suggest that if the government had stayed out of it, it
would have come in under budget and on time.

Private industry thrives on performance bonuses.

hk wrote:
wrote:
On Jan 18, 3:50 pm, "Canuck57" wrote:
"BAR" wrote in message

...

HK wrote:
BAR wrote:
hk wrote:
http://s21.photobucket.com/albums/b2...action=view&cu...

Parallels? What parallels.
Perhaps if you had stayed in school a little longer...
I went to Yale and graduate with a BA.
Did no one ever tell you about BA... Bugger All.

MBA, More Bugger All.

Most BA and MBA I know, I don't care for and they can't even
articulate what
they have been tought. Some even mix up credit/debits and can't balance
their own cheque book.

I am not saying BA/MBA are bad, not at all. But I consider it a "soft"
degree.

Kind of like the BS and the PHD.... Bull****. Piled Higher and
Deeper..


Your comments are typical of those who neither did well nor go far in
formal education.

A piece of paper from an educational institution is not a predictor of
how well you will do in life.