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On Sun, 18 Jan 2009 10:54:24 -0500, BAR wrote:


This highway work should have been occurring for the last 40 years due
to it being funded by federal gasoline and diesel taxes.


Yup, there's been lots of infrastructure neglected. Hopefully, this
stimulus package will kill two birds, get the economy moving again, and
fix our crumbling bridges, and roads.

Hopefully it will be structured and managed differently than the WPA
projects that Roosevelt initiated.
I was reading recently that problems with them included waste,
inefficiency, cost overruns and late schedules.
Because it was a federally backed program designed to hire unemployed
workers, the jobsite foremen had no authority to discipline or fire
slackers.

That's bad news because when some can sit on their asses and still get
paid, it affects the rest.

Eisboch

Yep, seems quite acceptable these days to steal a little bit from a lot of
people, and it is OK. A slacker does this, no one person immediately
suffers, just that a lot of people eat a little cost to carry the larder.
Trouble is when too many slackers/larders get on the wagon the weight on the
real worker then becomes too much.

Sort of like today. Poor middle class worker has no cash and the economy
faulters. Bailouts for all the losers and screw the worker. Totally ass
backwards. Instead of spending $1T on bailouts, cut the middle class
workers taxes and let the blow hard incompetantants see their local church
for handouts. Does wonders to get the leaches to see more value in working
and less in slacking.

We have lost our moral ways on this for sure. Too much generosity to the
wrong types fosters more abuse of the system.

.....wonder where my bailout is dammit.... LOL.

Wizard of Woodstock wrote:
On Sun, 18 Jan 2009 15:33:45 -0500, hk wrote:

Wizard of Woodstock wrote:
On Sun, 18 Jan 2009 10:39:12 -0600, thunder
wrote:

This time around, I believe most of the moneys will be to private sector
employers. When FDR started the WPA, he was on new ground. Obama has
the advantage of 70 years of hindsight. Hopefully, it will work out.
Beware - remember The Big Dig. :)
Indeed, work at the Big Dig was performed by private-sector contractors,
under the supervision of Bechtel Corporation and Parsons Brinckerhoff.

Other large corporate managers and contractors included Jay Cashman,
Modern Continental, Obayashi Corporation, Perini Corporation, Peter
Kiewit Sons' Incorporated, J.F. White, and the Slattery division of
Skanska USA.

All under the Supervision of the Massachuetts Executive Office of
Transportation and Public Works, Massachusetts Highway Department,
Massachuetta Turnpike Authority, Boston Redevelopment Authority,
Boston Inspectional Services, Massachuetts Bay Transportation
Authority, Public Works and the Federal Department of Transportation.

Great job.


So, the corporations ripped off the taxpayers, and the governmental
overseers were not good enough to prevent it. I agree.

On Jan 18, 3:50*pm, "Canuck57" wrote:
"BAR" wrote in message

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HK wrote:
BAR wrote:
hk wrote:

http://s21.photobucket.com/albums/b2...action=view&cu...

Parallels? What parallels.

Perhaps if you had stayed in school a little longer...

I went to Yale and graduate with a BA.

Did no one ever tell you about BA... Bugger All.

MBA, More Bugger All.

Most BA and MBA I know, I don't care for and they can't even articulate what
they have been tought. *Some even mix up credit/debits and can't balance
their own cheque book.

I am not saying BA/MBA are bad, not at all. *But I consider it a "soft"
degree.

Kind of like the BS and the PHD.... Bull****. Piled Higher and
Deeper..

"Eisboch" wrote in message
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On Sun, 18 Jan 2009 11:30:33 -0500, BAR wrote:


We need a long term solution, something that is going to give everyone
long term confidence that the economy is going to improve. Eliminate
corporate taxes, reduce capital gains taxes and cut personal income
taxes in half but, make sure that everyone who earns income pays taxes.
No individual gets a free ride on taxes. This will get the economy
moving again. The people will have confidence that they will have more
money to spend themselves. Businesses will have more money to spend on
capital equipment and the ability to hire more people. Investors will be
encouraged to move their money into ventures that may produce greater
returns.


Sell that tired Republican BS to someone else. If you haven't noticed,
we have been doing what you suggest for the past 20 years, and look where
it's gotten us.



A growing, expanding and healthy business base and Wall Street swindling
are two different issues. The latter was in some cases initiated by
government intervention and in all cases by the lack of government
oversight of what they initiated.

If we intend to keep capitalism as our economic engine, BAR is absolutely
correct and many honest (meaning non-politically motivated) economic
experts agree. Growing and investing businesses have always been the
catalyst for an expanding economy, employment and consumer
confidence/spending. Throw a wet towel on business in the form of taxes
and the economy slows down. Happens everytime.

Now, if you are suggesting we replace our business based economic engine
with something else, then all bets are off.

Eisboch

There is nothing else that works as good for so many as a fair capitalism
economic engine. Or at least not that I am aware of.

Oh, there are Hugo and Castro economics... there are failed USSR (old as in
Russia), maybe even Chinese wages anyone? How about a Vietnam or Korea life
style?

I will stick with old fashioned capitalism minus the corruption. As it is
the corruption, not the capitalism that is the problem. Ferit out the
corruption such as packaging GM for bailout, or bankers bailouts by
stripping the perpetrators of any wealth gained by these corrupt activities
and problem solved. But bailouts, just corruption gone nuts like Hugo
bribing for power....

The corruption and immoral is what is costing. Heck, some people think
Obama is going to "take care of my car payments".... OMG. Far too many are
not paying their debts is the corruption there. Now 1/2 the nation wants a
bailout.

wrote:
On Jan 18, 3:50 pm, "Canuck57" wrote:
"BAR" wrote in message

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HK wrote:
BAR wrote:
hk wrote:
http://s21.photobucket.com/albums/b2...action=view&cu...
Parallels? What parallels.
Perhaps if you had stayed in school a little longer...
I went to Yale and graduate with a BA.
Did no one ever tell you about BA... Bugger All.

MBA, More Bugger All.

Most BA and MBA I know, I don't care for and they can't even articulate what
they have been tought. Some even mix up credit/debits and can't balance
their own cheque book.

I am not saying BA/MBA are bad, not at all. But I consider it a "soft"
degree.

Kind of like the BS and the PHD.... Bull****. Piled Higher and
Deeper..


Your comments are typical of those who neither did well nor go far in
formal education.

On Jan 18, 3:57*pm, "Canuck57" wrote:
"Eisboch" wrote in message

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"thunder" wrote in message
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On Sun, 18 Jan 2009 10:54:24 -0500, BAR wrote:

This highway work should have been occurring for the last 40 years due
to it being funded by federal gasoline and diesel taxes.

Yup, there's been lots of infrastructure neglected. *Hopefully, this
stimulus package will kill two birds, get the economy moving again, and
fix our crumbling bridges, and roads.

Hopefully it will be structured and managed differently than the WPA
projects that Roosevelt *initiated.
I was reading recently that problems with them included waste,
inefficiency, cost overruns and late schedules.
Because it was a federally backed program designed to hire unemployed
workers, the jobsite foremen had no authority to discipline or fire
slackers.

That's bad news because when some can sit on their asses and still get
paid, it affects the rest.

Eisboch

Yep, seems quite acceptable these days to steal a little bit from a lot of
people, and it is OK. *A slacker does this, no one person immediately
suffers, just that a lot of people eat a little cost to carry the larder.
Trouble is when too many slackers/larders get on the wagon the weight on the
real worker then becomes too much.

Sort of like today. *Poor middle class worker has no cash and the economy
faulters. *Bailouts for all the losers and screw the worker. *Totally ass
backwards. *Instead of spending $1T on bailouts, cut the middle class
workers taxes and let the blow hard incompetantants see their local church
for handouts. *Does wonders to get the leaches to see more value in working
and less in slacking.

We have lost our moral ways on this for sure. *Too much generosity to the
wrong types fosters more abuse of the system.

....wonder where my bailout is dammit.... LOL.- Hide quoted text -

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Like was said a million times.. They should have bailed out the
companies by giving the money to the people and having the companies
earn it instead of funding month long vacations directly. If they had
given money to the folks to buy cars, the car companies would have
sold cars, cleared the lots, gotten the money, and had work to do to
make new ones.. All of the companies, banks, wall street, car
companies just used the money to buy new business and take elaborate
vacations...

hk wrote:
wrote:
On Jan 18, 3:50 pm, "Canuck57" wrote:
"BAR" wrote in message

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HK wrote:
BAR wrote:
hk wrote:
http://s21.photobucket.com/albums/b2...action=view&cu...

Parallels? What parallels.
Perhaps if you had stayed in school a little longer...
I went to Yale and graduate with a BA.
Did no one ever tell you about BA... Bugger All.

MBA, More Bugger All.

Most BA and MBA I know, I don't care for and they can't even
articulate what
they have been tought. Some even mix up credit/debits and can't balance
their own cheque book.

I am not saying BA/MBA are bad, not at all. But I consider it a "soft"
degree.

Kind of like the BS and the PHD.... Bull****. Piled Higher and
Deeper..


Your comments are typical of those who neither did well nor go far in
formal education.

or even got far.

"hk" wrote in message
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Your comments are typical of those who neither did well nor go far in
formal education.

Education is a must. Degrees are very desirable. Degrees aren't a problem.
People who judge their value or the value of others simply by the type or
number of degrees he/she holds is the problem.

Eisboch

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"hk" wrote in message
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BAR wrote:

Eliminate corporate taxes, reduce capital gains taxes and cut personal
income taxes in half but,


The same old right wing drip down bull**** that doesn't work...yet again.


Your wrong. It's worked for well over 200 years and very well. This
country did not become the world's leading economy because government ran
the show doling out stimulus checks and bailouts.

People like you love to take advantage of the non-perfect nature of
capitalism and to make hay during a slowdown. When the economy is booming
(and you benefit along with everyone else) there's rarely a peep from
your side.

Capitalism, based on private and public business, has it's flaws and it's
ups and downs that directly and historically relate to the state of the
overall economy.

Fortunately, the economic strength this country maintains will likely get
us through this recession. And the next one. And the one after that.
The reason we can recover is because of the basic principals of capitalism
rather than socialism.

Eisboch

This one is different. Or even if the same, much more severe than anything
I have seen and I was around in 1982. This one is likely the worst
recession/depression I will ever live to see, economically at the 40,000 ft
view as well as from a personal view.

It differs too in how interest rates are too low, and the market is being
closed out to correct it. Interest rates should be 12-15% right now, to
discourage debt but allow for liquidity where the rates and economics allow
it. This indicates the currency is in big trouble,

Second, how governments are litterly tossing trillions of dollars at
bailouts, which will come back in a toxic mix of of paracitical taxation and
inflation at some point. If it doesn't it will because the economy so
craters that defaltion wins for awhile.

The rate at which job loses are occuring far exceed 1982. As are the loses
on the markets. Even the depression in housing prices is unprecidented in
many areas.

In any case, this is real doozy. The economic policies I fear are going to
outright fail at some point and a second round of debt/credit/fiscal
devaluation is right around the corner.

"BAR" wrote in message
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hk wrote:
BAR wrote:
thunder wrote:
On Sun, 18 Jan 2009 10:54:24 -0500, BAR wrote:


This highway work should have been occurring for the last 40 years due
to it being funded by federal gasoline and diesel taxes.

Yup, there's been lots of infrastructure neglected. Hopefully, this
stimulus package will kill two birds, get the economy moving again, and
fix our crumbling bridges, and roads.

This stimulus package is nothing but a power grab. The Congress should
be strung up and beaten with a stick until the funds from the gasoline
and diesel taxes are actually spent on the roads instead of redirected
into the general fund.

The stimulus package is not going to get the economy moving again. You
could send everyone a check for $1000 and it wouldn't do anything to get
the economy moving again.

Eliminate corporate taxes, reduce capital gains taxes and cut personal
income taxes in half but,


The same old right wing drip down bull**** that doesn't work...yet again.

How many poor people have hired you?

The only way poor people should get more money is to work for it.

If they can get a job.