hk wrote:
thunder wrote:
On Sun, 18 Jan 2009 10:54:24 -0500, BAR wrote:


This highway work should have been occurring for the last 40 years due
to it being funded by federal gasoline and diesel taxes.

Yup, there's been lots of infrastructure neglected. Hopefully, this
stimulus package will kill two birds, get the economy moving again,
and fix our crumbling bridges, and roads.

And get a start on real high speed rail.

There is a reason why passenger rail travel and buss travel has almost
disappeared in the USA.

The cost of travel by high speed rail will have to be less than the cost
to fly.

On Sun, 18 Jan 2009 11:14:28 -0500, Eisboch wrote:

"thunder" wrote in message
t...
On Sun, 18 Jan 2009 10:54:24 -0500, BAR wrote:


This highway work should have been occurring for the last 40 years due
to it being funded by federal gasoline and diesel taxes.


Yup, there's been lots of infrastructure neglected. Hopefully, this
stimulus package will kill two birds, get the economy moving again, and
fix our crumbling bridges, and roads.

Hopefully it will be structured and managed differently than the WPA
projects that Roosevelt initiated.
I was reading recently that problems with them included waste,
inefficiency, cost overruns and late schedules.
Because it was a federally backed program designed to hire unemployed
workers, the jobsite foremen had no authority to discipline or fire
slackers.

It's my understanding that the WPA was a jobs program, not really an
infrastructure package. If I'm not mistaken, the workers were considered
Federal employees. Some of the projects were down right silly, but they
did keep people fed.

This time around, I believe most of the moneys will be to private sector
employers. When FDR started the WPA, he was on new ground. Obama has
the advantage of 70 years of hindsight. Hopefully, it will work out.

On Jan 18, 10:51*am, BAR wrote:
hk wrote:
BAR wrote:
HK wrote:
BAR wrote:
hk wrote:

http://s21.photobucket.com/albums/b2...action=view&cu...

Parallels? What parallels.

Perhaps if you had stayed in school a little longer...

I went to Yale and graduate with a BA.

I doubt you were graduated from high school.

I got a degree from Yale just like you Harry.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Most of us can say that, I have a Yale degree just like Harry, I have
a Lobsta' boat, just like Harry.. Whew, I am a lucky man...

On Sun, 18 Jan 2009 11:30:33 -0500, BAR wrote:

thunder wrote:
On Sun, 18 Jan 2009 10:54:24 -0500, BAR wrote:


This highway work should have been occurring for the last 40 years due
to it being funded by federal gasoline and diesel taxes.

Yup, there's been lots of infrastructure neglected. Hopefully, this
stimulus package will kill two birds, get the economy moving again, and
fix our crumbling bridges, and roads.

This stimulus package is nothing but a power grab. The Congress should
be strung up and beaten with a stick until the funds from the gasoline
and diesel taxes are actually spent on the roads instead of redirected
into the general fund.

The stimulus package is not going to get the economy moving again. You
could send everyone a check for $1000 and it wouldn't do anything to get
the economy moving again.

We need a long term solution, something that is going to give everyone
long term confidence that the economy is going to improve. Eliminate
corporate taxes, reduce capital gains taxes and cut personal income
taxes in half but, make sure that everyone who earns income pays taxes.
No individual gets a free ride on taxes. This will get the economy
moving again. The people will have confidence that they will have more
money to spend themselves. Businesses will have more money to spend on
capital equipment and the ability to hire more people. Investors will be
encouraged to move their money into ventures that may produce greater
returns.

Sell that tired Republican BS to someone else. If you haven't noticed,
we have been doing what you suggest for the past 20 years, and look where
it's gotten us.

The government is the last last place to turn to get the economy moving
due to the fact that they haven't got the foggiest idea of what to
invest in or how to spend money to gain the greatest impact due to the
professional politicians who control the purse strings.

Yeah, we should hire the management staff of Lehman Brothers. I know a
few of them are looking for work as we speak.

hk wrote:
Eisboch wrote:

"thunder" wrote in message
t...
On Sun, 18 Jan 2009 10:54:24 -0500, BAR wrote:


This highway work should have been occurring for the last 40 years due
to it being funded by federal gasoline and diesel taxes.


Yup, there's been lots of infrastructure neglected. Hopefully, this
stimulus package will kill two birds, get the economy moving again, and
fix our crumbling bridges, and roads.

Hopefully it will be structured and managed differently than the WPA
projects that Roosevelt initiated.
I was reading recently that problems with them included waste,
inefficiency, cost overruns and late schedules.
Because it was a federally backed program designed to hire unemployed
workers, the jobsite foremen had no authority to discipline or fire
slackers.

That's bad news because when some can sit on their asses and still get
paid, it affects the rest.

Eisboch


You think waste, inefficiency, cost overruns and late schedules are
exclusive to federally backed programs? You think private corporations
don't have the same problems?

Private corporations don't have a problem shutting down a program that
is wasting money. Hell, they've shutdown product lines that aren't
making enough profit.

Who fired the slackers on wall street that were mainly responsible for
the fiscal crisis we are in now?

Where are they now? Sucking $350 a week from unemployment for what 18
months.

thunder wrote:
On Sun, 18 Jan 2009 11:30:33 -0500, BAR wrote:

thunder wrote:
On Sun, 18 Jan 2009 10:54:24 -0500, BAR wrote:


This highway work should have been occurring for the last 40 years due
to it being funded by federal gasoline and diesel taxes.
Yup, there's been lots of infrastructure neglected. Hopefully, this
stimulus package will kill two birds, get the economy moving again, and
fix our crumbling bridges, and roads.
This stimulus package is nothing but a power grab. The Congress should
be strung up and beaten with a stick until the funds from the gasoline
and diesel taxes are actually spent on the roads instead of redirected
into the general fund.

The stimulus package is not going to get the economy moving again. You
could send everyone a check for $1000 and it wouldn't do anything to get
the economy moving again.

We need a long term solution, something that is going to give everyone
long term confidence that the economy is going to improve. Eliminate
corporate taxes, reduce capital gains taxes and cut personal income
taxes in half but, make sure that everyone who earns income pays taxes.
No individual gets a free ride on taxes. This will get the economy
moving again. The people will have confidence that they will have more
money to spend themselves. Businesses will have more money to spend on
capital equipment and the ability to hire more people. Investors will be
encouraged to move their money into ventures that may produce greater
returns.

Sell that tired Republican BS to someone else. If you haven't noticed,
we have been doing what you suggest for the past 20 years, and look where
it's gotten us.

Let's try it without the government telling the banks how and where to
lend money this time and see how it works.

The government is the last last place to turn to get the economy moving
due to the fact that they haven't got the foggiest idea of what to
invest in or how to spend money to gain the greatest impact due to the
professional politicians who control the purse strings.

Yeah, we should hire the management staff of Lehman Brothers. I know a
few of them are looking for work as we speak.

Do you want Pelosi and Reid telling you how to spend your hard earned
money? We well on the way to that happening. I hope you enjoy it.

BAR wrote:
thunder wrote:
On Sun, 18 Jan 2009 10:54:24 -0500, BAR wrote:


This highway work should have been occurring for the last 40 years due
to it being funded by federal gasoline and diesel taxes.

Yup, there's been lots of infrastructure neglected. Hopefully, this
stimulus package will kill two birds, get the economy moving again,
and fix our crumbling bridges, and roads.

This stimulus package is nothing but a power grab. The Congress should
be strung up and beaten with a stick until the funds from the gasoline
and diesel taxes are actually spent on the roads instead of redirected
into the general fund.

The stimulus package is not going to get the economy moving again. You
could send everyone a check for $1000 and it wouldn't do anything to get
the economy moving again.

Eliminate
corporate taxes, reduce capital gains taxes and cut personal income
taxes in half but,


The same old right wing drip down bull**** that doesn't work...yet again.

wrote:
On Jan 18, 10:51 am, BAR wrote:
hk wrote:
BAR wrote:
HK wrote:
BAR wrote:
hk wrote:
http://s21.photobucket.com/albums/b2...action=view&cu...
Parallels? What parallels.
Perhaps if you had stayed in school a little longer...
I went to Yale and graduate with a BA.
I doubt you were graduated from high school.
I got a degree from Yale just like you Harry.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Most of us can say that, I have a Yale degree just like Harry, I have
a Lobsta' boat, just like Harry.. Whew, I am a lucky man...

I doubt you got past the 8th grade.

On Jan 18, 11:51*am, BAR wrote:
thunder wrote:
On Sun, 18 Jan 2009 11:30:33 -0500, BAR wrote:

thunder wrote:
On Sun, 18 Jan 2009 10:54:24 -0500, BAR wrote:

This highway work should have been occurring for the last 40 years due
to it being funded by federal gasoline and diesel taxes.
Yup, there's been lots of infrastructure neglected. *Hopefully, this
stimulus package will kill two birds, get the economy moving again, and
fix our crumbling bridges, and roads.
This stimulus package is nothing but a power grab. The Congress should
be strung up and beaten with a stick until the funds from the gasoline
and diesel taxes are actually spent on the roads instead of redirected
into the general fund.

The stimulus package is not going to get the economy moving again. You
could send everyone a check for $1000 and it wouldn't do anything to get
the economy moving again.

We need a long term solution, something that is going to give everyone
long term confidence that the economy is going to improve. Eliminate
corporate taxes, reduce capital gains taxes and cut personal income
taxes in half but, make sure that everyone who earns income pays taxes..
No individual gets a free ride on taxes. This will get the economy
moving again. The people will have confidence that they will have more
money to spend themselves. Businesses will have more money to spend on
capital equipment and the ability to hire more people. Investors will be
encouraged to move their money into ventures that may produce greater
returns.

Sell that tired Republican BS to someone else. *If you haven't noticed,
we have been doing what you suggest for the past 20 years, and look where
it's gotten us. *

Let's try it without the government telling the banks how and where to
lend money this time and see how it works.

The government is the last last place to turn to get the economy moving
due to the fact that they haven't got the foggiest idea of what to
invest in or how to spend money to gain the greatest impact due to the
professional politicians who control the purse strings.

Yeah, we should hire the management staff of Lehman Brothers. *I know a
few of them are looking for work as we speak.

Do you want Pelosi and Reid telling you how to spend your hard earned
money? We well on the way to that happening. I hope you enjoy it.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Yeah, and remember the jobs credit Obama promised, what was it, 3000
credit for every job created. This was to offset the tax increase on
middle class small business owners who had three or more employees and
claim income on C and SE. Now of course congress, well, because they
don't really work have killed this so the small business owners will
get screwed again, won't be able to afford to hire new workers.. Hell,
I guess Obama, Reid, and Pelosi don't really care, I mean, small
business owners like me don't really have the money to pay to play
anyway;( But it sure sounded good during the campaign, especially in
the face of the questions by Joe the Plumber, and the rest of us...

wrote:
On Jan 18, 11:51 am, BAR wrote:
thunder wrote:
On Sun, 18 Jan 2009 11:30:33 -0500, BAR wrote:
thunder wrote:
On Sun, 18 Jan 2009 10:54:24 -0500, BAR wrote:
This highway work should have been occurring for the last 40 years due
to it being funded by federal gasoline and diesel taxes.
Yup, there's been lots of infrastructure neglected. Hopefully, this
stimulus package will kill two birds, get the economy moving again, and
fix our crumbling bridges, and roads.
This stimulus package is nothing but a power grab. The Congress should
be strung up and beaten with a stick until the funds from the gasoline
and diesel taxes are actually spent on the roads instead of redirected
into the general fund.
The stimulus package is not going to get the economy moving again. You
could send everyone a check for $1000 and it wouldn't do anything to get
the economy moving again.
We need a long term solution, something that is going to give everyone
long term confidence that the economy is going to improve. Eliminate
corporate taxes, reduce capital gains taxes and cut personal income
taxes in half but, make sure that everyone who earns income pays taxes.
No individual gets a free ride on taxes. This will get the economy
moving again. The people will have confidence that they will have more
money to spend themselves. Businesses will have more money to spend on
capital equipment and the ability to hire more people. Investors will be
encouraged to move their money into ventures that may produce greater
returns.
Sell that tired Republican BS to someone else. If you haven't noticed,
we have been doing what you suggest for the past 20 years, and look where
it's gotten us.
Let's try it without the government telling the banks how and where to
lend money this time and see how it works.

The government is the last last place to turn to get the economy moving
due to the fact that they haven't got the foggiest idea of what to
invest in or how to spend money to gain the greatest impact due to the
professional politicians who control the purse strings.
Yeah, we should hire the management staff of Lehman Brothers. I know a
few of them are looking for work as we speak.
Do you want Pelosi and Reid telling you how to spend your hard earned
money? We well on the way to that happening. I hope you enjoy it.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Yeah, and remember the jobs credit Obama promised, what was it, 3000
credit for every job created. This was to offset the tax increase on
middle class small business owners who had three or more employees and
claim income on C and SE. Now of course congress, well, because they
don't really work have killed this so the small business owners will
get screwed again, won't be able to afford to hire new workers.. Hell,
I guess Obama, Reid, and Pelosi don't really care, I mean, small
business owners like me don't really have the money to pay to play
anyway;( But it sure sounded good during the campaign, especially in
the face of the questions by Joe the Plumber, and the rest of us...


Why would a guy in the boat business who doesn't build boats be
concerned about the jobs credit?

If I recall, Joe the Plumber gave up being an unlicensed plumber to be a
simple-minded rabble-rousing TV news reporter in Gaza.