Concerning the recent crash one of the TV commentators said that it was
better for the airplanes survivability that the water in the Hudson is cold
and not warm. the reason he said is that cold water is *harder* than warm
water and made for better ditching conditions.

Any truth to this.

"Eisboch" wrote in message
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"Vic Smith" wrote in message
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On Thu, 15 Jan 2009 17:57:15 -0500, "D.Duck" wrote:


"Tom Francis - SWSports" wrote in
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On Thu, 15 Jan 2009 16:48:20 -0500, "D.Duck" wrote:

Concerning the recent crash one of the TV commentators said that it was
better for the airplanes survivability that the water in the Hudson is
cold
and not warm. the reason he said is that cold water is *harder* than
warm
water and made for better ditching conditions.

Any truth to this.

No - cold water is less dense than warm water.

That's why ice floats.

I guess that's why the plane is floating. 8)

This is really strange. You answered my post and my post hasn't even
appeared on my news service (Giga News)yet. I made the post 65 minutes
ago.

Can you tell me what time stamp in on my original post. Thanks

Giganews is screwing up. I'm seeing the same odd behavior.
Still haven't seen you original post.
I heard that guy too, and thought he was full of it.
Cold water is more dense than warmer water, which is why it sinks.
You've heard of thermoclines. I've even felt it wading in the ocean.
I don't think it makes a difference in landing a plane on it though.
Ice is an expanded state of water. Takes of more space than liquid
water. That's why it floats.
But ice is harder than water. At least I think it is when I fall and
my ass lands on it. Doesn't hurt when I fall the same distance into
the water.
Diamonds are real hard, and are forever.
BTW, I'm not a scientist.

--Vic




Methinks you are wrong. Ice floats on water. The process of freezing is
a strange one.
First it contracts, then it expands and breaks water pipes.

Eisboch

I suppose this is sort of boating related.... sigh.

As water gets colder it gets denser. However as it approaches freezing the
way the water molecules start crystalizing results in a less dense solid.
There are very few things that behave this way and water is one of them. It
is a good thing to otherwise the bottom of the ocean and big lakes would be
frozen forever.

On Thu, 15 Jan 2009 17:13:05 -0600, Vic Smith
wrote:

On Thu, 15 Jan 2009 17:57:15 -0500, "D.Duck" wrote:


"Tom Francis - SWSports" wrote in
message ...
On Thu, 15 Jan 2009 16:48:20 -0500, "D.Duck" wrote:

Concerning the recent crash one of the TV commentators said that it was
better for the airplanes survivability that the water in the Hudson is
cold
and not warm. the reason he said is that cold water is *harder* than warm
water and made for better ditching conditions.

Any truth to this.

No - cold water is less dense than warm water.

That's why ice floats.

I guess that's why the plane is floating. 8)

This is really strange. You answered my post and my post hasn't even
appeared on my news service (Giga News)yet. I made the post 65 minutes ago.

Can you tell me what time stamp in on my original post. Thanks

Giganews is screwing up. I'm seeing the same odd behavior.
Still haven't seen you original post.
I heard that guy too, and thought he was full of it.
Cold water is more dense than warmer water, which is why it sinks.
You've heard of thermoclines. I've even felt it wading in the ocean.
I don't think it makes a difference in landing a plane on it though.
Ice is an expanded state of water. Takes of more space than liquid
water. That's why it floats.
But ice is harder than water. At least I think it is when I fall and
my ass lands on it. Doesn't hurt when I fall the same distance into
the water.
Diamonds are real hard, and are forever.
BTW, I'm not a scientist.

Water expands as it becomes colder.

You can't have expansion in a liquid without it becoming less dense.

It's why ice floats.

Wait - let me check on something.

Erm....sorry - I'm right, but I'm wrong at the same time. I forgot
one little minor detail.

Water expands at the freezing point - otherwise, it acts just like
other liquids. Water does become denser as it approaches the freezing
point.

Water temp in the Hudson was 41 degrees F which is almost at the point
of freezing.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water_(..._water_and_ice

So the newsguy was right, although I doubt that made much of a
difference.

On Jan 15, 4:48*pm, "D.Duck" wrote:
Concerning the recent crash one of the TV commentators said that it was
better for the airplanes survivability that the water in the Hudson is cold
and not warm. *the reason he said is that cold water is *harder* than warm
water and made for better ditching conditions.

Any truth to this.

They should've built the planes fuselage out of the same material that
Herring and Loogys, AND justwaitahates heads are made of.... Nothing
would get through, not even common sense.... It'd even be waterproof,
because Herring has his head up his ass all the time, and it never
gets wet...

On Thu, 15 Jan 2009 22:33:05 GMT, Tom Francis - SWSports
wrote:

On Thu, 15 Jan 2009 16:48:20 -0500, "D.Duck" wrote:

Concerning the recent crash one of the TV commentators said that it was
better for the airplanes survivability that the water in the Hudson is cold
and not warm. the reason he said is that cold water is *harder* than warm
water and made for better ditching conditions.

Any truth to this.

No - cold water is less dense than warm water.

That's why ice floats.

Exactly wrong. Cold water is heavier than warm water. The warmer the
water gets, the faster the particles move and become farther apart.

Water stratifies with the coldest water on the bottom. Just like air.

On Thu, 15 Jan 2009 23:33:34 GMT, Tom Francis - SWSports
wrote:

On Thu, 15 Jan 2009 17:13:05 -0600, Vic Smith
wrote:

On Thu, 15 Jan 2009 17:57:15 -0500, "D.Duck" wrote:


"Tom Francis - SWSports" wrote in
message ...
On Thu, 15 Jan 2009 16:48:20 -0500, "D.Duck" wrote:

Concerning the recent crash one of the TV commentators said that it was
better for the airplanes survivability that the water in the Hudson is
cold
and not warm. the reason he said is that cold water is *harder* than warm
water and made for better ditching conditions.

Any truth to this.

No - cold water is less dense than warm water.

That's why ice floats.

I guess that's why the plane is floating. 8)

This is really strange. You answered my post and my post hasn't even
appeared on my news service (Giga News)yet. I made the post 65 minutes ago.

Can you tell me what time stamp in on my original post. Thanks

Giganews is screwing up. I'm seeing the same odd behavior.
Still haven't seen you original post.
I heard that guy too, and thought he was full of it.
Cold water is more dense than warmer water, which is why it sinks.
You've heard of thermoclines. I've even felt it wading in the ocean.
I don't think it makes a difference in landing a plane on it though.
Ice is an expanded state of water. Takes of more space than liquid
water. That's why it floats.
But ice is harder than water. At least I think it is when I fall and
my ass lands on it. Doesn't hurt when I fall the same distance into
the water.
Diamonds are real hard, and are forever.
BTW, I'm not a scientist.

Water expands as it becomes colder.


Incorrect

You can't have expansion in a liquid without it becoming less dense.

It's why ice floats.

Wait - let me check on something.

Erm....sorry - I'm right, but I'm wrong at the same time. I forgot
one little minor detail.

Water expands at the freezing point - otherwise, it acts just like
other liquids. Water does become denser as it approaches the freezing
point.


Correct

Water temp in the Hudson was 41 degrees F which is almost at the point
of freezing.


Incorrect. "Almost to the point of freezing" is somewhere less than 1
degree above freezing. It's not so gradual. It's a rather sharp
"turning point" .

41 degrees is no where near freezing as far as this state of water
being reached.

On Thu, 15 Jan 2009 16:48:20 -0500, D.Duck wrote:

Concerning the recent crash one of the TV commentators said that it was
better for the airplanes survivability that the water in the Hudson is
cold and not warm. the reason he said is that cold water is *harder*
than warm water and made for better ditching conditions.

Any truth to this.

Don't know about the water, but I heard that airplane had a "ditch
switch". The pilot hits it before a water ditch, and it seals the
undercarriage openings. I guess it makes sense, but it's a very rare
airplane crash that the plane remains in one piece.

On Fri, 16 Jan 2009 02:01:12 GMT, Tom Francis - SWSports
wrote:

On Thu, 15 Jan 2009 20:33:09 -0500, "D.Duck" wrote:

I just noticed that my Easynews feed just started to post quickly - or
at least quicker than it had been posting.

I wonder if there was a system wide glitch or something? I just
googled around and there are other paid news servers that are having
similar problems - it's not just giganews or easynews.

Hmmm....

Cox is adding two or three old (three or four days) posts every time I get
new headers. This started a couple days ago.