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John H[_8_] January 15th 09 07:30 PM

Year of global cooling
 
Al Gore says global warming is a planetary emergency. It is difficult to
see how this can be so when record low temperatures are being set all over
the world. In 2007, hundreds of people died, not from global warming, but
from cold weather hazards.....

http://tinyurl.com/5u3qtl

[email protected] January 15th 09 07:31 PM

Year of global cooling
 
On Jan 15, 2:30*pm, John H wrote:
Al Gore says global warming is a planetary emergency. It is difficult to
see how this can be so when record low temperatures are being set all over
the world. In 2007, hundreds of people died, not from global warming, but
from cold weather hazards.....

http://tinyurl.com/5u3qtl


How does people dying from cold (which happens every year) determine
that there is no global warming? Also, again, specific, immediate
changes in climate (called weather) is very different from global
warming. I thought you understood this.

BAR[_3_] January 15th 09 07:42 PM

Year of global cooling
 
wrote:
On Jan 15, 2:30 pm, John H wrote:
Al Gore says global warming is a planetary emergency. It is difficult to
see how this can be so when record low temperatures are being set all over
the world. In 2007, hundreds of people died, not from global warming, but
from cold weather hazards.....

http://tinyurl.com/5u3qtl

How does people dying from cold (which happens every year) determine
that there is no global warming? Also, again, specific, immediate
changes in climate (called weather) is very different from global
warming. I thought you understood this.


If global warming is occurring then the global temperature should be
occurring Winter, Spring, Summer and Fall. Yet, these past few years we
have broken many Winter records on the cold side. You global
warming/climate change officianados need to get your story straight.

Is the Earth heating up? Will it get so hot that Winter becomes Summer
and Summer becomes hell?

Climate change is just the seasons. You can preach a coming ice age then
when that doesn't occur preach reverse course and start preaching global
warming and when the data doesn't support that switch to climate change
which is the normal cycle of the seasons.


John H[_8_] January 15th 09 07:42 PM

Year of global cooling
 
On Thu, 15 Jan 2009 11:31:43 -0800 (PST), wrote:

On Jan 15, 2:30*pm, John H wrote:
Al Gore says global warming is a planetary emergency. It is difficult to
see how this can be so when record low temperatures are being set all over
the world. In 2007, hundreds of people died, not from global warming, but
from cold weather hazards.....

http://tinyurl.com/5u3qtl

How does people dying from cold (which happens every year) determine
that there is no global warming? Also, again, specific, immediate
changes in climate (called weather) is very different from global
warming. I thought you understood this.


"Since the mid-19th century, the mean global temperature has increased by
0.7 degrees Celsius. This slight warming is not unusual, and lies well
within the range of natural variation."

"In 2005, a Canadian Greenpeace representative explained global warming can
mean colder, it can mean drier, it can mean wetter. In other words, all
weather variations are evidence for global warming."

Horse****. It's cyclical. Remember the Ice Age? We went through a period of
global cooling then. What ended it? A period of global warming.

Canuck57[_6_] January 15th 09 08:06 PM

Year of global cooling
 

"John H" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 15 Jan 2009 11:31:43 -0800 (PST), wrote:

On Jan 15, 2:30 pm, John H wrote:
Al Gore says global warming is a planetary emergency. It is difficult to
see how this can be so when record low temperatures are being set all
over
the world. In 2007, hundreds of people died, not from global warming,
but
from cold weather hazards.....

http://tinyurl.com/5u3qtl

How does people dying from cold (which happens every year) determine
that there is no global warming? Also, again, specific, immediate
changes in climate (called weather) is very different from global
warming. I thought you understood this.


"Since the mid-19th century, the mean global temperature has increased by
0.7 degrees Celsius. This slight warming is not unusual, and lies well
within the range of natural variation."

"In 2005, a Canadian Greenpeace representative explained global warming
can
mean colder, it can mean drier, it can mean wetter. In other words, all
weather variations are evidence for global warming."

Horse****. It's cyclical. Remember the Ice Age? We went through a period
of
global cooling then. What ended it? A period of global warming.


This is a good read, never seen a greenie put rational to it:

http://www.physorg.com/news112982907.html




[email protected] January 15th 09 08:34 PM

Year of global cooling
 
On Jan 15, 2:42*pm, BAR wrote:
wrote:
On Jan 15, 2:30 pm, John H wrote:
Al Gore says global warming is a planetary emergency. It is difficult to
see how this can be so when record low temperatures are being set all over
the world. In 2007, hundreds of people died, not from global warming, but
from cold weather hazards.....


http://tinyurl.com/5u3qtl


How does people dying from cold (which happens every year) determine
that there is no global warming? Also, again, specific, immediate
changes in climate (called weather) is very different from global
warming. I thought you understood this.


If global warming is occurring then the global temperature should be
occurring Winter, Spring, Summer and Fall. Yet, these past few years we
have broken many Winter records on the cold side. You global
warming/climate change officianados need to get your story straight.


The "global temperature" IS "occuring Winter, Spring, Summer and
Fall." BUT what some fail to understand is that the mean average
temperature IS rising. That doesn't mean that you can't still have
cold periods. Honestly, I don't see how intelligent people can't
understand that!

Is the Earth heating up? Will it get so hot that Winter becomes Summer
and Summer becomes hell?


Could be.

Climate change is just the seasons. You can preach a coming ice age then
when that doesn't occur preach reverse course and start preaching global
warming and when the data doesn't support that switch to climate change
which is the normal cycle of the seasons.


Wrong.


John H[_8_] January 15th 09 08:37 PM

Year of global cooling
 
On Thu, 15 Jan 2009 13:06:17 -0700, "Canuck57" wrote:


"John H" wrote in message
.. .
On Thu, 15 Jan 2009 11:31:43 -0800 (PST), wrote:

On Jan 15, 2:30 pm, John H wrote:
Al Gore says global warming is a planetary emergency. It is difficult to
see how this can be so when record low temperatures are being set all
over
the world. In 2007, hundreds of people died, not from global warming,
but
from cold weather hazards.....

http://tinyurl.com/5u3qtl

How does people dying from cold (which happens every year) determine
that there is no global warming? Also, again, specific, immediate
changes in climate (called weather) is very different from global
warming. I thought you understood this.


"Since the mid-19th century, the mean global temperature has increased by
0.7 degrees Celsius. This slight warming is not unusual, and lies well
within the range of natural variation."

"In 2005, a Canadian Greenpeace representative explained global warming
can
mean colder, it can mean drier, it can mean wetter. In other words, all
weather variations are evidence for global warming."

Horse****. It's cyclical. Remember the Ice Age? We went through a period
of
global cooling then. What ended it? A period of global warming.


This is a good read, never seen a greenie put rational to it:

http://www.physorg.com/news112982907.html



Yes, a good read. It shows that 7000 years ago it was warm enough for trees
to grow there. At least the author uses the term, 'human-aided global
warming' as opposed to blaming all of it on humans. It's a step in the
right direction.

John H[_8_] January 15th 09 08:45 PM

Year of global cooling
 
On Thu, 15 Jan 2009 12:34:06 -0800 (PST), wrote:

On Jan 15, 2:42*pm, BAR wrote:
wrote:
On Jan 15, 2:30 pm, John H wrote:
Al Gore says global warming is a planetary emergency. It is difficult to
see how this can be so when record low temperatures are being set all over
the world. In 2007, hundreds of people died, not from global warming, but
from cold weather hazards.....


http://tinyurl.com/5u3qtl

How does people dying from cold (which happens every year) determine
that there is no global warming? Also, again, specific, immediate
changes in climate (called weather) is very different from global
warming. I thought you understood this.


If global warming is occurring then the global temperature should be
occurring Winter, Spring, Summer and Fall. Yet, these past few years we
have broken many Winter records on the cold side. You global
warming/climate change officianados need to get your story straight.


The "global temperature" IS "occuring Winter, Spring, Summer and
Fall." BUT what some fail to understand is that the mean average
temperature IS rising. That doesn't mean that you can't still have
cold periods. Honestly, I don't see how intelligent people can't
understand that!

Is the Earth heating up? Will it get so hot that Winter becomes Summer
and Summer becomes hell?


Could be.

Climate change is just the seasons. You can preach a coming ice age then
when that doesn't occur preach reverse course and start preaching global
warming and when the data doesn't support that switch to climate change
which is the normal cycle of the seasons.


Wrong.


Since the mid-19th century, the mean global temperature has increased by
0.7 degrees Celsius. This slight warming is not unusual, and lies well
within the range of natural variation.

hk January 15th 09 08:47 PM

Year of global cooling
 
wrote:
On Thu, 15 Jan 2009 11:31:43 -0800 (PST),
wrote:

On Jan 15, 2:30 pm, John H wrote:
Al Gore says global warming is a planetary emergency. It is difficult to
see how this can be so when record low temperatures are being set all over
the world. In 2007, hundreds of people died, not from global warming, but
from cold weather hazards.....

http://tinyurl.com/5u3qtl
How does people dying from cold (which happens every year) determine
that there is no global warming? Also, again, specific, immediate
changes in climate (called weather) is very different from global
warming. I thought you understood this.


This is JohnH you are dealing with. The guy who couldn't figure out if
the battery charger he was going to buy online was a "smart" charger.
The problem, it turns out, is that ALL battery chargers are smarter
than he is.



So are dead batteries.

Frogwatch[_2_] January 15th 09 09:45 PM

Year of global cooling
 
On Jan 15, 3:47 pm, hk wrote:
wrote:
On Thu, 15 Jan 2009 11:31:43 -0800 (PST), wrote:


On Jan 15, 2:30 pm, John H wrote:
Al Gore says global warming is a planetary emergency. It is difficult to
see how this can be so when record low temperatures are being set all over
the world. In 2007, hundreds of people died, not from global warming, but
from cold weather hazards.....


http://tinyurl.com/5u3qtl
How does people dying from cold (which happens every year) determine
that there is no global warming? Also, again, specific, immediate
changes in climate (called weather) is very different from global
warming. I thought you understood this.


This is JohnH you are dealing with. The guy who couldn't figure out if
the battery charger he was going to buy online was a "smart" charger.
The problem, it turns out, is that ALL battery chargers are smarter
than he is.


So are dead batteries.


The corellation between climate and sunspot count is very very good.
Evidence for Anthropic Global Warming happens to be very poor. Even
the measurements of pre-industrial age CO2 from ice cores is very
suspect as they didnt keep the cores pressurized and the CO2
pressurized in the ice caused micro-fractures and leaked out. The
near surface measuremrnts of temp are grossly tainted with urban
effects because many of the temp measuring sites are so badly
situated. The tree ring data used by people to try to reconstruct
past temps is so bad that it simply is not useful.
Do this experiment for yourself, go out to a grove of planted trees
where they were all planted at the same time. Look at the varying
diameters. Do you really think you can determine a .1 degree
difference by measuring rings from only 3 -5 of the trees?
With the record low temps, sunspot count happens to be at the lowest
level since 1900. Arctic ice coverage is now as large as in 1979 and
polar bears are not drowning.
Al Gore knowingly stated falsly that ice on kilamanjaro was receding
due to global warmign when he knew that it is simply due to
deforestation. Yes, Al Gore knowingly lied.
So, we can all expect cooler temps instead of warmer ones. Global
warmign was nothing more than a scam to get centralized economic
planning by academics who are barely able to tie their own shoes.


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