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Year of global cooling
Al Gore says global warming is a planetary emergency. It is difficult to
see how this can be so when record low temperatures are being set all over the world. In 2007, hundreds of people died, not from global warming, but from cold weather hazards..... http://tinyurl.com/5u3qtl |
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On Jan 15, 2:30*pm, John H wrote:
Al Gore says global warming is a planetary emergency. It is difficult to see how this can be so when record low temperatures are being set all over the world. In 2007, hundreds of people died, not from global warming, but from cold weather hazards..... http://tinyurl.com/5u3qtl How does people dying from cold (which happens every year) determine that there is no global warming? Also, again, specific, immediate changes in climate (called weather) is very different from global warming. I thought you understood this. |
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On Thu, 15 Jan 2009 11:31:43 -0800 (PST), wrote:
On Jan 15, 2:30*pm, John H wrote: Al Gore says global warming is a planetary emergency. It is difficult to see how this can be so when record low temperatures are being set all over the world. In 2007, hundreds of people died, not from global warming, but from cold weather hazards..... http://tinyurl.com/5u3qtl How does people dying from cold (which happens every year) determine that there is no global warming? Also, again, specific, immediate changes in climate (called weather) is very different from global warming. I thought you understood this. "Since the mid-19th century, the mean global temperature has increased by 0.7 degrees Celsius. This slight warming is not unusual, and lies well within the range of natural variation." "In 2005, a Canadian Greenpeace representative explained global warming can mean colder, it can mean drier, it can mean wetter. In other words, all weather variations are evidence for global warming." Horse****. It's cyclical. Remember the Ice Age? We went through a period of global cooling then. What ended it? A period of global warming. |
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"John H" wrote in message ... On Thu, 15 Jan 2009 11:31:43 -0800 (PST), wrote: On Jan 15, 2:30 pm, John H wrote: Al Gore says global warming is a planetary emergency. It is difficult to see how this can be so when record low temperatures are being set all over the world. In 2007, hundreds of people died, not from global warming, but from cold weather hazards..... http://tinyurl.com/5u3qtl How does people dying from cold (which happens every year) determine that there is no global warming? Also, again, specific, immediate changes in climate (called weather) is very different from global warming. I thought you understood this. "Since the mid-19th century, the mean global temperature has increased by 0.7 degrees Celsius. This slight warming is not unusual, and lies well within the range of natural variation." "In 2005, a Canadian Greenpeace representative explained global warming can mean colder, it can mean drier, it can mean wetter. In other words, all weather variations are evidence for global warming." Horse****. It's cyclical. Remember the Ice Age? We went through a period of global cooling then. What ended it? A period of global warming. This is a good read, never seen a greenie put rational to it: http://www.physorg.com/news112982907.html |
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On Jan 15, 2:42*pm, BAR wrote:
wrote: On Jan 15, 2:30 pm, John H wrote: Al Gore says global warming is a planetary emergency. It is difficult to see how this can be so when record low temperatures are being set all over the world. In 2007, hundreds of people died, not from global warming, but from cold weather hazards..... http://tinyurl.com/5u3qtl How does people dying from cold (which happens every year) determine that there is no global warming? Also, again, specific, immediate changes in climate (called weather) is very different from global warming. I thought you understood this. If global warming is occurring then the global temperature should be occurring Winter, Spring, Summer and Fall. Yet, these past few years we have broken many Winter records on the cold side. You global warming/climate change officianados need to get your story straight. The "global temperature" IS "occuring Winter, Spring, Summer and Fall." BUT what some fail to understand is that the mean average temperature IS rising. That doesn't mean that you can't still have cold periods. Honestly, I don't see how intelligent people can't understand that! Is the Earth heating up? Will it get so hot that Winter becomes Summer and Summer becomes hell? Could be. Climate change is just the seasons. You can preach a coming ice age then when that doesn't occur preach reverse course and start preaching global warming and when the data doesn't support that switch to climate change which is the normal cycle of the seasons. Wrong. |
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On Thu, 15 Jan 2009 13:06:17 -0700, "Canuck57" wrote:
"John H" wrote in message .. . On Thu, 15 Jan 2009 11:31:43 -0800 (PST), wrote: On Jan 15, 2:30 pm, John H wrote: Al Gore says global warming is a planetary emergency. It is difficult to see how this can be so when record low temperatures are being set all over the world. In 2007, hundreds of people died, not from global warming, but from cold weather hazards..... http://tinyurl.com/5u3qtl How does people dying from cold (which happens every year) determine that there is no global warming? Also, again, specific, immediate changes in climate (called weather) is very different from global warming. I thought you understood this. "Since the mid-19th century, the mean global temperature has increased by 0.7 degrees Celsius. This slight warming is not unusual, and lies well within the range of natural variation." "In 2005, a Canadian Greenpeace representative explained global warming can mean colder, it can mean drier, it can mean wetter. In other words, all weather variations are evidence for global warming." Horse****. It's cyclical. Remember the Ice Age? We went through a period of global cooling then. What ended it? A period of global warming. This is a good read, never seen a greenie put rational to it: http://www.physorg.com/news112982907.html Yes, a good read. It shows that 7000 years ago it was warm enough for trees to grow there. At least the author uses the term, 'human-aided global warming' as opposed to blaming all of it on humans. It's a step in the right direction. |
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On Thu, 15 Jan 2009 12:34:06 -0800 (PST), wrote:
On Jan 15, 2:42*pm, BAR wrote: wrote: On Jan 15, 2:30 pm, John H wrote: Al Gore says global warming is a planetary emergency. It is difficult to see how this can be so when record low temperatures are being set all over the world. In 2007, hundreds of people died, not from global warming, but from cold weather hazards..... http://tinyurl.com/5u3qtl How does people dying from cold (which happens every year) determine that there is no global warming? Also, again, specific, immediate changes in climate (called weather) is very different from global warming. I thought you understood this. If global warming is occurring then the global temperature should be occurring Winter, Spring, Summer and Fall. Yet, these past few years we have broken many Winter records on the cold side. You global warming/climate change officianados need to get your story straight. The "global temperature" IS "occuring Winter, Spring, Summer and Fall." BUT what some fail to understand is that the mean average temperature IS rising. That doesn't mean that you can't still have cold periods. Honestly, I don't see how intelligent people can't understand that! Is the Earth heating up? Will it get so hot that Winter becomes Summer and Summer becomes hell? Could be. Climate change is just the seasons. You can preach a coming ice age then when that doesn't occur preach reverse course and start preaching global warming and when the data doesn't support that switch to climate change which is the normal cycle of the seasons. Wrong. Since the mid-19th century, the mean global temperature has increased by 0.7 degrees Celsius. This slight warming is not unusual, and lies well within the range of natural variation. |
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wrote:
On Thu, 15 Jan 2009 11:31:43 -0800 (PST), wrote: On Jan 15, 2:30 pm, John H wrote: Al Gore says global warming is a planetary emergency. It is difficult to see how this can be so when record low temperatures are being set all over the world. In 2007, hundreds of people died, not from global warming, but from cold weather hazards..... http://tinyurl.com/5u3qtl How does people dying from cold (which happens every year) determine that there is no global warming? Also, again, specific, immediate changes in climate (called weather) is very different from global warming. I thought you understood this. This is JohnH you are dealing with. The guy who couldn't figure out if the battery charger he was going to buy online was a "smart" charger. The problem, it turns out, is that ALL battery chargers are smarter than he is. So are dead batteries. |
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On Jan 15, 3:47 pm, hk wrote:
wrote: On Thu, 15 Jan 2009 11:31:43 -0800 (PST), wrote: On Jan 15, 2:30 pm, John H wrote: Al Gore says global warming is a planetary emergency. It is difficult to see how this can be so when record low temperatures are being set all over the world. In 2007, hundreds of people died, not from global warming, but from cold weather hazards..... http://tinyurl.com/5u3qtl How does people dying from cold (which happens every year) determine that there is no global warming? Also, again, specific, immediate changes in climate (called weather) is very different from global warming. I thought you understood this. This is JohnH you are dealing with. The guy who couldn't figure out if the battery charger he was going to buy online was a "smart" charger. The problem, it turns out, is that ALL battery chargers are smarter than he is. So are dead batteries. The corellation between climate and sunspot count is very very good. Evidence for Anthropic Global Warming happens to be very poor. Even the measurements of pre-industrial age CO2 from ice cores is very suspect as they didnt keep the cores pressurized and the CO2 pressurized in the ice caused micro-fractures and leaked out. The near surface measuremrnts of temp are grossly tainted with urban effects because many of the temp measuring sites are so badly situated. The tree ring data used by people to try to reconstruct past temps is so bad that it simply is not useful. Do this experiment for yourself, go out to a grove of planted trees where they were all planted at the same time. Look at the varying diameters. Do you really think you can determine a .1 degree difference by measuring rings from only 3 -5 of the trees? With the record low temps, sunspot count happens to be at the lowest level since 1900. Arctic ice coverage is now as large as in 1979 and polar bears are not drowning. Al Gore knowingly stated falsly that ice on kilamanjaro was receding due to global warmign when he knew that it is simply due to deforestation. Yes, Al Gore knowingly lied. So, we can all expect cooler temps instead of warmer ones. Global warmign was nothing more than a scam to get centralized economic planning by academics who are barely able to tie their own shoes. |
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Frogwatch wrote:
The corellation between climate and sunspot count is very very good. Evidence for Anthropic Global Warming happens to be very poor. Even the measurements of pre-industrial age CO2 from ice cores is very suspect as they didnt keep the cores pressurized and the CO2 pressurized in the ice caused micro-fractures and leaked out. The near surface measuremrnts of temp are grossly tainted with urban effects because many of the temp measuring sites are so badly situated. The tree ring data used by people to try to reconstruct past temps is so bad that it simply is not useful. Do this experiment for yourself, go out to a grove of planted trees where they were all planted at the same time. Look at the varying diameters. Do you really think you can determine a .1 degree difference by measuring rings from only 3 -5 of the trees? With the record low temps, sunspot count happens to be at the lowest level since 1900. Arctic ice coverage is now as large as in 1979 and polar bears are not drowning. Al Gore knowingly stated falsly that ice on kilamanjaro was receding due to global warmign when he knew that it is simply due to deforestation. Yes, Al Gore knowingly lied. So, we can all expect cooler temps instead of warmer ones. Global warmign was nothing more than a scam to get centralized economic planning by academics who are barely able to tie their own shoes. And what credentials do you have to make these pronouncements? |
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On Jan 15, 4:52 pm, hk wrote:
Frogwatch wrote: The corellation between climate and sunspot count is very very good. Evidence for Anthropic Global Warming happens to be very poor. Even the measurements of pre-industrial age CO2 from ice cores is very suspect as they didnt keep the cores pressurized and the CO2 pressurized in the ice caused micro-fractures and leaked out. The near surface measuremrnts of temp are grossly tainted with urban effects because many of the temp measuring sites are so badly situated. The tree ring data used by people to try to reconstruct past temps is so bad that it simply is not useful. Do this experiment for yourself, go out to a grove of planted trees where they were all planted at the same time. Look at the varying diameters. Do you really think you can determine a .1 degree difference by measuring rings from only 3 -5 of the trees? With the record low temps, sunspot count happens to be at the lowest level since 1900. Arctic ice coverage is now as large as in 1979 and polar bears are not drowning. Al Gore knowingly stated falsly that ice on kilamanjaro was receding due to global warmign when he knew that it is simply due to deforestation. Yes, Al Gore knowingly lied. So, we can all expect cooler temps instead of warmer ones. Global warmign was nothing more than a scam to get centralized economic planning by academics who are barely able to tie their own shoes. And what credentials do you have to make these pronouncements? MS PHysics, MSEE, ran atmospheric radiance codes for AFGL and Defense Nuclear Agency, an entire career of spectroscopy..other than that, no more than you. |
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Frogwatch wrote:
On Jan 15, 4:52 pm, hk wrote: Frogwatch wrote: The corellation between climate and sunspot count is very very good. Evidence for Anthropic Global Warming happens to be very poor. Even the measurements of pre-industrial age CO2 from ice cores is very suspect as they didnt keep the cores pressurized and the CO2 pressurized in the ice caused micro-fractures and leaked out. The near surface measuremrnts of temp are grossly tainted with urban effects because many of the temp measuring sites are so badly situated. The tree ring data used by people to try to reconstruct past temps is so bad that it simply is not useful. Do this experiment for yourself, go out to a grove of planted trees where they were all planted at the same time. Look at the varying diameters. Do you really think you can determine a .1 degree difference by measuring rings from only 3 -5 of the trees? With the record low temps, sunspot count happens to be at the lowest level since 1900. Arctic ice coverage is now as large as in 1979 and polar bears are not drowning. Al Gore knowingly stated falsly that ice on kilamanjaro was receding due to global warmign when he knew that it is simply due to deforestation. Yes, Al Gore knowingly lied. So, we can all expect cooler temps instead of warmer ones. Global warmign was nothing more than a scam to get centralized economic planning by academics who are barely able to tie their own shoes. And what credentials do you have to make these pronouncements? MS PHysics, MSEE, ran atmospheric radiance codes for AFGL and Defense Nuclear Agency, an entire career of spectroscopy..other than that, no more than you. So, you know no more about global warming than I do. Unless you are using spectroscopes on tree stumps. |
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On Thu, 15 Jan 2009 14:02:18 -0800 (PST), Frogwatch
wrote: On Jan 15, 4:52 pm, hk wrote: Frogwatch wrote: The corellation between climate and sunspot count is very very good. Evidence for Anthropic Global Warming happens to be very poor. Even the measurements of pre-industrial age CO2 from ice cores is very suspect as they didnt keep the cores pressurized and the CO2 pressurized in the ice caused micro-fractures and leaked out. The near surface measuremrnts of temp are grossly tainted with urban effects because many of the temp measuring sites are so badly situated. The tree ring data used by people to try to reconstruct past temps is so bad that it simply is not useful. Do this experiment for yourself, go out to a grove of planted trees where they were all planted at the same time. Look at the varying diameters. Do you really think you can determine a .1 degree difference by measuring rings from only 3 -5 of the trees? With the record low temps, sunspot count happens to be at the lowest level since 1900. Arctic ice coverage is now as large as in 1979 and polar bears are not drowning. Al Gore knowingly stated falsly that ice on kilamanjaro was receding due to global warmign when he knew that it is simply due to deforestation. Yes, Al Gore knowingly lied. So, we can all expect cooler temps instead of warmer ones. Global warmign was nothing more than a scam to get centralized economic planning by academics who are barely able to tie their own shoes. And what credentials do you have to make these pronouncements? MS PHysics, MSEE, ran atmospheric radiance codes for AFGL and Defense Nuclear Agency, an entire career of spectroscopy..other than that, no more than you. I think HK just got trumped. But, he will come back with a reply about your ****ty education and the fact that he learned more getting his Liberal Arts degree. |
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John H wrote:
On Thu, 15 Jan 2009 14:02:18 -0800 (PST), Frogwatch wrote: On Jan 15, 4:52 pm, hk wrote: Frogwatch wrote: The corellation between climate and sunspot count is very very good. Evidence for Anthropic Global Warming happens to be very poor. Even the measurements of pre-industrial age CO2 from ice cores is very suspect as they didnt keep the cores pressurized and the CO2 pressurized in the ice caused micro-fractures and leaked out. The near surface measuremrnts of temp are grossly tainted with urban effects because many of the temp measuring sites are so badly situated. The tree ring data used by people to try to reconstruct past temps is so bad that it simply is not useful. Do this experiment for yourself, go out to a grove of planted trees where they were all planted at the same time. Look at the varying diameters. Do you really think you can determine a .1 degree difference by measuring rings from only 3 -5 of the trees? With the record low temps, sunspot count happens to be at the lowest level since 1900. Arctic ice coverage is now as large as in 1979 and polar bears are not drowning. Al Gore knowingly stated falsly that ice on kilamanjaro was receding due to global warmign when he knew that it is simply due to deforestation. Yes, Al Gore knowingly lied. So, we can all expect cooler temps instead of warmer ones. Global warmign was nothing more than a scam to get centralized economic planning by academics who are barely able to tie their own shoes. And what credentials do you have to make these pronouncements? MS PHysics, MSEE, ran atmospheric radiance codes for AFGL and Defense Nuclear Agency, an entire career of spectroscopy..other than that, no more than you. I think HK just got trumped. But, he will come back with a reply about your ****ty education and the fact that he learned more getting his Liberal Arts degree. You would think Harry would stop using that line. |
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On Jan 15, 6:46 pm, BAR wrote:
John H wrote: On Thu, 15 Jan 2009 14:02:18 -0800 (PST), Frogwatch wrote: On Jan 15, 4:52 pm, hk wrote: Frogwatch wrote: The corellation between climate and sunspot count is very very good. Evidence for Anthropic Global Warming happens to be very poor. Even the measurements of pre-industrial age CO2 from ice cores is very suspect as they didnt keep the cores pressurized and the CO2 pressurized in the ice caused micro-fractures and leaked out. The near surface measuremrnts of temp are grossly tainted with urban effects because many of the temp measuring sites are so badly situated. The tree ring data used by people to try to reconstruct past temps is so bad that it simply is not useful. Do this experiment for yourself, go out to a grove of planted trees where they were all planted at the same time. Look at the varying diameters. Do you really think you can determine a .1 degree difference by measuring rings from only 3 -5 of the trees? With the record low temps, sunspot count happens to be at the lowest level since 1900. Arctic ice coverage is now as large as in 1979 and polar bears are not drowning. Al Gore knowingly stated falsly that ice on kilamanjaro was receding due to global warmign when he knew that it is simply due to deforestation. Yes, Al Gore knowingly lied. So, we can all expect cooler temps instead of warmer ones. Global warmign was nothing more than a scam to get centralized economic planning by academics who are barely able to tie their own shoes. And what credentials do you have to make these pronouncements? MS PHysics, MSEE, ran atmospheric radiance codes for AFGL and Defense Nuclear Agency, an entire career of spectroscopy..other than that, no more than you. I think HK just got trumped. But, he will come back with a reply about your ****ty education and the fact that he learned more getting his Liberal Arts degree. You would think Harry would stop using that line. I ran the best computer models of the atmosphere on the worlds fastest computers to predict atmospheric absorption and re-emission of infra- red. The models were consistently wrong by a factor of 10-100X because they simply did not have enough info on the atmosphere constituency. For example, they simply did not know how much water vapor there was at high alttude. These same atmospheric models (the so-called AFGL model Air Force Geophysics Lab) are used by the IPCC for their computer models today. My area of specialization was plasma physics which is why I know so much about sunspots and solar radiance. Considering that the sun supplies almost all of the earths heat, I think I might be a little more qualified than HK. I have spent my entire career since 1985 doing spectroscopy and anthropogenic global warming is nothing more than applied infra-red spectroscopy. So, I do think I might be qualified to comment. |
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On Fri, 16 Jan 2009 09:32:24 -0800 (PST), Frogwatch
wrote: On Jan 15, 6:46 pm, BAR wrote: John H wrote: On Thu, 15 Jan 2009 14:02:18 -0800 (PST), Frogwatch wrote: On Jan 15, 4:52 pm, hk wrote: Frogwatch wrote: The corellation between climate and sunspot count is very very good. Evidence for Anthropic Global Warming happens to be very poor. Even the measurements of pre-industrial age CO2 from ice cores is very suspect as they didnt keep the cores pressurized and the CO2 pressurized in the ice caused micro-fractures and leaked out. The near surface measuremrnts of temp are grossly tainted with urban effects because many of the temp measuring sites are so badly situated. The tree ring data used by people to try to reconstruct past temps is so bad that it simply is not useful. Do this experiment for yourself, go out to a grove of planted trees where they were all planted at the same time. Look at the varying diameters. Do you really think you can determine a .1 degree difference by measuring rings from only 3 -5 of the trees? With the record low temps, sunspot count happens to be at the lowest level since 1900. Arctic ice coverage is now as large as in 1979 and polar bears are not drowning. Al Gore knowingly stated falsly that ice on kilamanjaro was receding due to global warmign when he knew that it is simply due to deforestation. Yes, Al Gore knowingly lied. So, we can all expect cooler temps instead of warmer ones. Global warmign was nothing more than a scam to get centralized economic planning by academics who are barely able to tie their own shoes. And what credentials do you have to make these pronouncements? MS PHysics, MSEE, ran atmospheric radiance codes for AFGL and Defense Nuclear Agency, an entire career of spectroscopy..other than that, no more than you. I think HK just got trumped. But, he will come back with a reply about your ****ty education and the fact that he learned more getting his Liberal Arts degree. You would think Harry would stop using that line. I ran the best computer models of the atmosphere on the worlds fastest computers to predict atmospheric absorption and re-emission of infra- red. The models were consistently wrong by a factor of 10-100X because they simply did not have enough info on the atmosphere constituency. For example, they simply did not know how much water vapor there was at high alttude. These same atmospheric models (the so-called AFGL model Air Force Geophysics Lab) are used by the IPCC for their computer models today. My area of specialization was plasma physics which is why I know so much about sunspots and solar radiance. Considering that the sun supplies almost all of the earths heat, I think I might be a little more qualified than HK. I have spent my entire career since 1985 doing spectroscopy and anthropogenic global warming is nothing more than applied infra-red spectroscopy. So, I do think I might be qualified to comment. And we appreciate the comments. (Except for Harry, of course.) |
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