Eisboch wrote:

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I do not have the answer,
but it appears our elected leaders do not either.


They don't, economists don't, nobody knows. What is being done, in
the words of Andrea Mitchell, is throwing anything and everything
against the wall and see if anything sticks.

Eisboch

The scary part is I think the recession will get much worse before
turning around. And not one of the elected are asking Obama and his
team what is the basis for his plan.


Some of Obama's comments lately are not exactly reassuring to the
public. He's trying to put pressure on Congress to make sure they will
approve his massive stimulus spending, but he's doing it by scaring the
bejeezes out of people. He recently made a statement to the affect
that if his plan is not approved, it may be too late to save the US.
Not sure what he means by that, but they sure aren't the words of a true
Leader.

Eisboch

Obama is correct.

hk wrote:
Eisboch wrote:

"Calif Bill" wrote in message
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"Eisboch" wrote in message
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I do not have the answer,
but it appears our elected leaders do not either.


They don't, economists don't, nobody knows. What is being done, in
the words of Andrea Mitchell, is throwing anything and everything
against the wall and see if anything sticks.

Eisboch

The scary part is I think the recession will get much worse before
turning around. And not one of the elected are asking Obama and his
team what is the basis for his plan.


Some of Obama's comments lately are not exactly reassuring to the
public. He's trying to put pressure on Congress to make sure they will
approve his massive stimulus spending, but he's doing it by scaring
the bejeezes out of people. He recently made a statement to the
affect that if his plan is not approved, it may be too late to save
the US. Not sure what he means by that, but they sure aren't the
words of a true Leader.

Eisboch

Obama is correct.

Obama is wrong. We don't need more government intervention in business.
All of these professional politicians to go get real jobs.

BAR wrote:
hk wrote:
Eisboch wrote:

"Calif Bill" wrote in message
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"Eisboch" wrote in message
news
"CalifBill" wrote in message
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I do not have the answer,
but it appears our elected leaders do not either.


They don't, economists don't, nobody knows. What is being done, in
the words of Andrea Mitchell, is throwing anything and everything
against the wall and see if anything sticks.

Eisboch

The scary part is I think the recession will get much worse before
turning around. And not one of the elected are asking Obama and his
team what is the basis for his plan.


Some of Obama's comments lately are not exactly reassuring to the
public. He's trying to put pressure on Congress to make sure they
will approve his massive stimulus spending, but he's doing it by
scaring the bejeezes out of people. He recently made a statement to
the affect that if his plan is not approved, it may be too late to
save the US. Not sure what he means by that, but they sure aren't
the words of a true Leader.

Eisboch

Obama is correct.

Obama is wrong. We don't need more government intervention in business.


Prove it.

hk wrote:
BAR wrote:
hk wrote:
Eisboch wrote:

"Calif Bill" wrote in message
m...

"Eisboch" wrote in message
news
"CalifBill" wrote in message
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I do not have the answer,
but it appears our elected leaders do not either.


They don't, economists don't, nobody knows. What is being done,
in the words of Andrea Mitchell, is throwing anything and
everything against the wall and see if anything sticks.

Eisboch

The scary part is I think the recession will get much worse before
turning around. And not one of the elected are asking Obama and
his team what is the basis for his plan.


Some of Obama's comments lately are not exactly reassuring to the
public. He's trying to put pressure on Congress to make sure they
will approve his massive stimulus spending, but he's doing it by
scaring the bejeezes out of people. He recently made a statement
to the affect that if his plan is not approved, it may be too late
to save the US. Not sure what he means by that, but they sure
aren't the words of a true Leader.

Eisboch

Obama is correct.

Obama is wrong. We don't need more government intervention in business.


Prove it.

The GAO. If you want spur economic growth you need to cut taxes and
encourage business to hire and spend without the threat of increased
taxes. The people need to know that they will be able to spend their own
money the way they want to spend it rather than having it confiscated
and given, "redistributed", to those who won't get off their lazy asses
and work for themselves.

Obama with his misguided idea that he is going to "save" jobs and create
jobs by government spending is comical. FDR tried it before and it
failed miserable. Private industry creates jobs and the most jobs are
created by small businesses. Reducing regulation and taxes will ensure
the greatest growth of jobs. And the repeal of that ridiculous Sarbanes
Oxley legislation is the first thing that needs to happen.

Right now everyone has their hand out waiting for big daddy government
to give them something. Doesn't anyone have any self respect and pride
anymore.

BAR wrote:
hk wrote:
BAR wrote:
hk wrote:
Eisboch wrote:

"Calif Bill" wrote in message
m...

"Eisboch" wrote in message
news
"CalifBill" wrote in message
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I do not have the answer,
but it appears our elected leaders do not either.


They don't, economists don't, nobody knows. What is being done,
in the words of Andrea Mitchell, is throwing anything and
everything against the wall and see if anything sticks.

Eisboch

The scary part is I think the recession will get much worse before
turning around. And not one of the elected are asking Obama and
his team what is the basis for his plan.


Some of Obama's comments lately are not exactly reassuring to the
public. He's trying to put pressure on Congress to make sure they
will approve his massive stimulus spending, but he's doing it by
scaring the bejeezes out of people. He recently made a statement
to the affect that if his plan is not approved, it may be too late
to save the US. Not sure what he means by that, but they sure
aren't the words of a true Leader.

Eisboch

Obama is correct.

Obama is wrong. We don't need more government intervention in business.


Prove it.

The GAO. If you want spur economic growth you need to cut taxes and
encourage business to hire and spend without the threat of increased
taxes. The people need to know that they will be able to spend their own
money the way they want to spend it rather than having it confiscated
and given, "redistributed", to those who won't get off their lazy asses
and work for themselves.

Obama with his misguided idea that he is going to "save" jobs and create
jobs by government spending is comical. FDR tried it before and it
failed miserable. Private industry creates jobs and the most jobs are
created by small businesses. Reducing regulation and taxes will ensure
the greatest growth of jobs. And the repeal of that ridiculous Sarbanes
Oxley legislation is the first thing that needs to happen.

Right now everyone has their hand out waiting for big daddy government
to give them something. Doesn't anyone have any self respect and pride
anymore.


Yeah, I know the pablum. No proof? And you want more deregulation?

Boater wrote:
BAR wrote:
hk wrote:
BAR wrote:
hk wrote:
Eisboch wrote:

"Calif Bill" wrote in message
m...

"Eisboch" wrote in message
news
"CalifBill" wrote in message
...


I do not have the answer,
but it appears our elected leaders do not either.


They don't, economists don't, nobody knows. What is being done,
in the words of Andrea Mitchell, is throwing anything and
everything against the wall and see if anything sticks.

Eisboch

The scary part is I think the recession will get much worse
before turning around. And not one of the elected are asking
Obama and his team what is the basis for his plan.


Some of Obama's comments lately are not exactly reassuring to the
public. He's trying to put pressure on Congress to make sure they
will approve his massive stimulus spending, but he's doing it by
scaring the bejeezes out of people. He recently made a statement
to the affect that if his plan is not approved, it may be too late
to save the US. Not sure what he means by that, but they sure
aren't the words of a true Leader.

Eisboch

Obama is correct.

Obama is wrong. We don't need more government intervention in business.


Prove it.

The GAO. If you want spur economic growth you need to cut taxes and
encourage business to hire and spend without the threat of increased
taxes. The people need to know that they will be able to spend their
own money the way they want to spend it rather than having it
confiscated and given, "redistributed", to those who won't get off
their lazy asses and work for themselves.

Obama with his misguided idea that he is going to "save" jobs and
create jobs by government spending is comical. FDR tried it before and
it failed miserable. Private industry creates jobs and the most jobs
are created by small businesses. Reducing regulation and taxes will
ensure the greatest growth of jobs. And the repeal of that ridiculous
Sarbanes Oxley legislation is the first thing that needs to happen.

Right now everyone has their hand out waiting for big daddy government
to give them something. Doesn't anyone have any self respect and pride
anymore.


Yeah, I know the pablum. No proof? And you want more deregulation?

Today's small business has to spend too much time and money meeting
government regulations at the local, state and federal level that doen't
have time to actually run their business.

On Jan 10, 5:29*pm, hk wrote:
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*I do not have the answer,
but it appears our elected leaders do not either.

They don't, economists don't, nobody knows. *What is being done, in
the words of Andrea Mitchell, is throwing anything and everything
against the wall and see if anything sticks.

Eisboch

The scary part is I think the recession will get much worse before
turning around. *And not one of the elected are asking Obama and his
team what is the basis for his plan.

Some of Obama's comments lately are not exactly reassuring to the
public. He's trying to put pressure on Congress to make sure they
will approve his massive stimulus spending, but he's doing it by
scaring the bejeezes out of people. * He recently made a statement to
the affect that if his plan is not approved, it may be too late to
save the US. * Not sure what he means by that, but they sure aren't
the words of a true Leader.

Eisboch

Obama is correct.

Obama is wrong. We don't need more government intervention in business.

Prove it.- Hide quoted text -

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The proof will be four years from now when he and all of his crim
buddies get run out of town on a rail... He is no leader, every time
he talks, the stock market goes down...

"hk" wrote in message
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Eisboch wrote:

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m...

"Eisboch" wrote in message
news
"CalifBill" wrote in message
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I do not have the answer,
but it appears our elected leaders do not either.


They don't, economists don't, nobody knows. What is being done, in the
words of Andrea Mitchell, is throwing anything and everything against
the wall and see if anything sticks.

Eisboch

The scary part is I think the recession will get much worse before
turning around. And not one of the elected are asking Obama and his
team what is the basis for his plan.


Some of Obama's comments lately are not exactly reassuring to the public.
He's trying to put pressure on Congress to make sure they will approve
his massive stimulus spending, but he's doing it by scaring the bejeezes
out of people. He recently made a statement to the affect that if his
plan is not approved, it may be too late to save the US. Not sure what
he means by that, but they sure aren't the words of a true Leader.

Eisboch

Obama is correct.

No, I don't think he's correct at all. We are in for some tough times over
the next 2-3 years, but we will recover nicely. As bad as it is, it has
been worse before. Don't your remember the late Carter years, 20% interest
rates, inflation and 11 percent unemployment?

We are being saturated with information overload from the media, cable,
Internet, blogs, editorials, print and electronic, etc., all trying to get
audience and notice by focusing on the *bad* news. Technology has
overwhelmed rational thinking. Once people become jaded and tired of
listening to how the world's going to end tomorrow, the recovery will begin.

Personally, I think it's just about time to think about buying some real
estate.

But, the guy that was so full of "hope" a few months ago certainly has
changed his tune and, I'll tell you, he's not getting high grades for
leadership. Unlike great leaders in times of trouble like Roosevelt and
Churchill who met privately with their advisors, generated a plan and then
optimistically announced it with conviction and strength, Obama is running
around publically soliciting any and all ideas and basically scaring the
hell out of the people who elected him because of his perceived "leadership"
capabilities.

This is serious business and it's not time for community organizing. It's
time for strong leadership.

Eisboch

On Sat, 10 Jan 2009 17:47:12 -0500, "Eisboch"
wrote:



No, I don't think he's correct at all. We are in for some tough times over
the next 2-3 years, but we will recover nicely. As bad as it is, it has
been worse before. Don't your remember the late Carter years, 20% interest
rates, inflation and 11 percent unemployment?

I was ok then. 8% mortgage.
What I remember most is getting laid off my first IT job in 1982.
Along with plenty of others.
Ronald Reagan.
The highest unemployment rate since the great depression.
That's what I remember.
You know what say about when your neighbor gets laid off....

--Vic

Vic Smith wrote:
On Sat, 10 Jan 2009 17:47:12 -0500, "Eisboch"
wrote:


No, I don't think he's correct at all. We are in for some tough times over
the next 2-3 years, but we will recover nicely. As bad as it is, it has
been worse before. Don't your remember the late Carter years, 20% interest
rates, inflation and 11 percent unemployment?

I was ok then. 8% mortgage.
What I remember most is getting laid off my first IT job in 1982.
Along with plenty of others.
Ronald Reagan.
The highest unemployment rate since the great depression.
That's what I remember.
You know what say about when your neighbor gets laid off....

During the Carter years (in 78, 79 and 80) the Ag credit union was
paying 12% on 6 month CDs.

I was working for the government in 1980 while Carter was President and
I voted for Reagan. I knew Reagan was going to clean up the Federal
government but, it was better for the country to get a handle on the
government spending than to protect your own job. Besides, IT was
ascending and private industry jobs were paying 30 to 40 percent better
than government jobs.