On Fri, 9 Jan 2009 15:45:21 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote:


"John H" wrote in message
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That makes good sense unless your goal is for the government to run the
corporations.

I visited China (PRC) back in 1986 when they were first experimenting with
the concepts of foreign investments and a subtle shift towards capitalism.

It was an amazing exposure to life under an extreme socialist society.
(Communism)

The average Chinese factory worker had to bow to and worship his employer
who in turn worshiped his provincial mayor for the opportunity to make a
living for his family.

It was sad. And it hasn't changed.

And, it where this country is heading.

Eisboch

And my few liberal friends are not at all concerned about it. One of them,
a good friend, actually said that there were enough right-leaning Democrats
in Congress to keep that from happening.

Eisboch wrote:

"Don White" wrote in message
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"Eisboch" wrote in message
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"John H" wrote in message
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That makes good sense unless your goal is for the government to run the
corporations.

I visited China (PRC) back in 1986 when they were first experimenting
with the concepts of foreign investments and a subtle shift towards
capitalism.

It was an amazing exposure to life under an extreme socialist
society. (Communism)

The average Chinese factory worker had to bow to and worship his
employer who in turn worshiped his provincial mayor for the
opportunity to make a living for his family.

It was sad. And it hasn't changed.

And, it where this country is heading.

Eisboch


Every American and Canadian should support the union/labour movement.
If not for themselves, for their children & grandchildren.
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The Chinese Government *is* the ultimate union labor establishment. Are
you sure that's what you want?

Eisboch


No it isn't.

"hk" wrote in message
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Eisboch wrote:

"Don White" wrote in message
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"Eisboch" wrote in message
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"John H" wrote in message
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That makes good sense unless your goal is for the government to run
the
corporations.

I visited China (PRC) back in 1986 when they were first experimenting
with the concepts of foreign investments and a subtle shift towards
capitalism.

It was an amazing exposure to life under an extreme socialist society.
(Communism)

The average Chinese factory worker had to bow to and worship his
employer who in turn worshiped his provincial mayor for the opportunity
to make a living for his family.

It was sad. And it hasn't changed.

And, it where this country is heading.

Eisboch


Every American and Canadian should support the union/labour movement.
If not for themselves, for their children & grandchildren.
\

The Chinese Government *is* the ultimate union labor establishment. Are
you sure that's what you want?

Eisboch


No it isn't.

It isn't want you want or it isn't what I said?

If the latter, you are dead wrong. It is exactly what the ultimate
structure and relationship of a controlled, "unionized" society is.

Eisboch

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On Jan 9, 3:10 pm, "Eisboch" wrote:
"hk" wrote in message

m...

Eisboch wrote:
"hk" wrote in message
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I don't think that is the way out. We need massive infusion of capital
to get the economy moving, and corporate America ain't spending it.
Why should they? All they will do is become penalized via taxes.
Eisboch
Well, then, let them liquidate themselves so others who want to run a
business can fill the voids.
You have to be kidding. Businesses survive, employ people, provide health
plans, and grow because they can make a profit. Take that incentive away
and you get what we have now.

Eisboch

Harry doesn't understand the concept that the taxes have to be paid
for by someone. That someone is the end consumer. Let's take building
design. Let's say it's a Twinky factory. I have to pay taxes so I
charge the contractor more for my services. The contractor charges
Twinky Corp. more for the design/build of the facility. Harry thinks
that Twinky Corp will eat the extra cost, and they won't, they'll pass
it on to Mr. Consumer, no matter if he's rich, or dirt poor and just
wants a Twinky. Seems trivial, but not in the large scheme of things.
It'll happen over and over again to Twinky Corp. with the equipment
manufacturers, the raw material suppliers, everybody. And it ALL gets
to be paid for by the little old lady on SSI that lives on the corner
et al.

As long as the money keeps moving around everyone is happy and the
government has lots of money (taxes) to spend on ridiculous things
(Pork)and some necessary things. When money moves in exchange for
nothing (Handouts, Gifts, Bailouts) etc. some people are happy for a
while until everything comes to a screeching halt. The socialist,
liberal, entitlement crap that Harry is promoting is what got us to
where we are now. You want my money, give me something of value for it.
You love your country, don't run and hide when it needs you to serve in
it's military and then expect it to protect and feed you. Guys like
Harry make me sick to my stomach.

On Fri, 09 Jan 2009 21:23:14 GMT, Tom Francis - SWSports
wrote:

On Fri, 09 Jan 2009 21:18:10 GMT, Tom Francis - SWSports
wrote:

On Fri, 9 Jan 2009 15:10:25 -0500, "Eisboch"
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"hk" wrote in message
news:gIidnfkxkPBnMPrUnZ2dnUVZ_hidnZ2d@earthlink .com...
Eisboch wrote:

"hk" wrote in message
m...

I don't think that is the way out. We need massive infusion of capital
to get the economy moving, and corporate America ain't spending it.

Why should they? All they will do is become penalized via taxes.

Eisboch


Well, then, let them liquidate themselves so others who want to run a
business can fill the voids.

You have to be kidding. Businesses survive, employ people, provide health
plans, and grow because they can make a profit. Take that incentive away
and you get what we have now.

Do you know how many people are going to be out of work because of
this little gem?

http://www.cpsc.gov/cpsia.pdf

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VvKFFvw2Nds

Here's a really good...erm...explanation of the act.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HW9nxeyq1EQ

Easy. Repackage and state that the item is intended for ages 13 and up.
Damn, I wonder if I can give uncertified Hess trucks to grandkids.

You just gotta love Nancy and Harry!

"Jim" wrote in message
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As long as the money keeps moving around everyone is happy and the
government has lots of money (taxes) to spend on ridiculous things
(Pork)and some necessary things. When money moves in exchange for nothing
(Handouts, Gifts, Bailouts) etc. some people are happy for a while until
everything comes to a screeching halt. The socialist, liberal, entitlement
crap that Harry is promoting is what got us to where we are now. You want
my money, give me something of value for it. You love your country, don't
run and hide when it needs you to serve in it's military and then expect
it to protect and feed you. Guys like Harry make me sick to my stomach.



I'll admit to a Roll-Aids from time to time, but that's about it.

Eisboch

"Don White" wrote in message
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"Eisboch" wrote in message
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"John H" wrote in message
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That makes good sense unless your goal is for the government to run the
corporations.

I visited China (PRC) back in 1986 when they were first experimenting
with the concepts of foreign investments and a subtle shift towards
capitalism.

It was an amazing exposure to life under an extreme socialist society.
(Communism)

The average Chinese factory worker had to bow to and worship his employer
who in turn worshiped his provincial mayor for the opportunity to make a
living for his family.

It was sad. And it hasn't changed.

And, it where this country is heading.

Eisboch


Every American and Canadian should support the union/labour movement.
If not for themselves, for their children & grandchildren.

What a line of crap. I never was anti-union, nor pro-union until the
dysfunctional and corrupt GM & Chrysler bailout was happening. This crosses
the line into bilking tax payers, US and Canadian for a ****ed up pair of
companies. Brown boys for Carlyle and Cerberus.

Most of the people laid off are not auto at all. Infact better than 95% are
non-auto. Who is bailing them out? Would they be bailed out if private
equity with Bush connections didn't exist? Senate and congress didn't
aprrprove, yet no noise of funds misapproriation? Smacks of corruption and
union rant.

Unions are small fry making big noise, some politician aught to tell CAW/UAW
to shove it up their asses.

Adding to middle class tax load with bailouts makes the problem worse.
Government does not yet get it, it isn't the solution, it is the problem.
They need to leave middle class with more of their tax dollars.

You can't keep adding to the tax load when the problem is the middle class
was short of cash. In time, it will come back on taxes and make the problem
worse. If you want main stream north Americans to buy GM & Chrysler, they
first need the money to pay their mortgages or they will not be buying cars.

You want the economy fixed? So do I. But it isn't going to get better
until you pick the corrupt leaches of the ass of the tax payer. Government
got greedy with cheap easy fiat money managment to fund over sized
government and corrupt practices, reverse that and we can all enjoy.

If I sound aggitated, I am, this explains:

On Fri, 9 Jan 2009 15:17:47 -0500, "Eisboch"
wrote:


"hk" wrote in message
om...
Eisboch wrote:

"hk" wrote in message
m...

I don't think that is the way out. We need massive infusion of capital
to get the economy moving, and corporate America ain't spending it.

Why should they? All they will do is become penalized via taxes.

Eisboch


Well, then, let them liquidate themselves so others who want to run a
business can fill the voids.


BTW, I just found out about 30 min. ago that the company I started just won
a major contract for technology that I can't identify just yet. They are
hiring. And their achievement has absolutely nothing to do with proposed
economic salvation plans proposed by the incoming administration.

Congratulations and best wishes for continued success.

--

"An idealist is one who, on noticing that
a rose smells better than a cabbage, concludes
that it will also make better soup."

H.L. Mencken

Eisboch wrote:



BTW, I just found out about 30 min. ago that the company I started just
won a major contract for technology that I can't identify just yet.
They are hiring. And their achievement has absolutely nothing to do
with proposed economic salvation plans proposed by the incoming
administration.

Eisboch

Shame on them! They should have waited for the economic salvation plans.

"Eisboch" wrote in message
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"Don White" wrote in message
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"Eisboch" wrote in message
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"John H" wrote in message
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That makes good sense unless your goal is for the government to run the
corporations.

I visited China (PRC) back in 1986 when they were first experimenting
with the concepts of foreign investments and a subtle shift towards
capitalism.

It was an amazing exposure to life under an extreme socialist society.
(Communism)

The average Chinese factory worker had to bow to and worship his
employer who in turn worshiped his provincial mayor for the opportunity
to make a living for his family.

It was sad. And it hasn't changed.

And, it where this country is heading.

Eisboch


Every American and Canadian should support the union/labour movement.
If not for themselves, for their children & grandchildren.
\

The Chinese Government *is* the ultimate union labor establishment. Are
you sure that's what you want?

Eisboch

Excellent point.