On Thu, 18 Dec 2008 08:45:26 -0500, Keith nuttle
wrote:

John wrote:
On Thu, 18 Dec 2008 06:34:34 -0600, Vic Smith
wrote:

On Thu, 18 Dec 2008 02:47:22 -0500, "Eisboch"
wrote:

wrote in message
...


The doors are falling off the thing, the windshield is
falling out. Every contact point on the roof rack is leaking and
around the side windows, sunroof, the back gate won't stay open.. it
is a piece of ****... No more GM for me, and I used to work for them...


I could never figure out why GM has such a tough time designing window seals
that don't leak, particularly the rear window on cars. I've seen rust and
rot in those areas in all of the manufacturer's offerings, but for some
reason the ones built by GM seem to be far more prone to failure.

That might be personal perception.
Never seen that on any of my GM cars, or noticed it on any of the many
I've maintained. Have replaced a couple power window motors over the
years, but I have nothing to compare it against other brands since I
don't work on any others. Hasn't been a big deal.
BTW, one of my kids works all day on truck suspensions, and drives
them as part of his shake-downs.
The lighter pickups have quite different front suspensions, and he
prefers the Fords, though he's pure GM with his cars.
I think he said the GM 1500 has struts, and don't even think of
putting a plow on it, as many disappointed buyers have done.
Can't remember all the details he spouts out sometimes.
Like anything, you have to get into a bit before you buy, and most
people just believe what the dealer tells them.
I've heard plenty of bad things about Blazers, but people buy them
anyway. Maybe the looks, or they cost less than the competition.
But then Bill says his wife has a good one.
Sometimes TLC rules, and I really don't believe some cars get the care
that others do. Cars are wrapped up in a lot of psychology, and
there's a lot of irrationality in the relationship.
"Ergonomics" is especially a gold mine for that. In many cases it
means as much as what kind of legs you like on your woman.
The internet is real useful in getting detailed problem info.
Better than limited personal anecdotes, yours or mine.
Just as good are mechanics who work on the vehicles all day all the
time.
Dealer mechanics can tell you anything you want to know about a
particular vehicle. But you have to get them away from the service
writer.
Some independent specialists are almost as good. I lucked onto a
local mechanic whose clientele was 95% grey-haired GM car owners.
He's retired now, but was around a long time. You could ask him
about any common GM car and he had seen everything that could go wrong
and tell you how to prevent it or just accept it.
Used him before my son started doing my work, and never
had to go back twice. He wasn't cheap, nor too expensive.

--Vic

My GMC pickup, a 1995, had 160K miles on it when I sold it, cheap, to a
nephew. That was almost two years ago. He's running the daylights out of
it, but he keeps it greased and oiled. It's still running very well.

My wife had a Jimmy (Blazer). With 80K on it, it needed a new transmission
and a few other big bill repairs. We got rid of it, and got her a
Highlander. She absolutely loved the Jimmy, but we wouldn't get another
one.
--

John Salmonbait
I think vehicle perception is a significant factor when people talk
about autos. At some point in the last thirty years many Americans
decided that any thing made in America was bad, consequently the foreign
cars have been getting a larger share of the market.

From my personal experience I know of three Honda's that have blown
their engines. Yet Hondas are seen as good. I know of no American cars
that have blown their engines. I drove one new Toyota, that while
mechanically good, all of the little things like power mirrors were
crudely engineered.

One of the American cars that I owned gave me nearly 200k trouble free
miles. That car, a 1976 Aspin was rated as the worst car in America,
had an engine problem at 180k. A friend with the sister car Volare got
over 200k with no problems.

I have never owned anything but American, and every one had over 150k
before they were traded, and I have had no major problems with any.

That's good. But, American cars take it in the ear for reliability almost
every time they're rated. I paid no attention to the ratings when I bought
my pickup or when I bought the Jimmy for my wife. The pickup was great. The
Jimmy wasn't. I bought a new Mustang. Within three months the transmission
and the gas tank were replaced. I kept the car another couple months and
sold it.
--

John Salmonbait

"Jim" wrote in message
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Don White wrote:
wrote in message
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On Dec 17, 11:30 pm, Wayne.B wrote:
On Wed, 17 Dec 2008 19:20:22 -0800 (PST),

wrote:
The Chevy
Blazer I drive now has less than 100,000 miles and because I have used
it like a truck, it's falling apart, literally...
It's not falling apart because you used it like a truck. It's
falling apart because the corporation that built it could give two
****z about quality and durability. That is why they are where they
are.

We are both right. I should be able to use a truck like a truck. ****,
the trailer I tow doesn't weigh 750 pounds loaded with the two bikes.
My boat and trailer only weighs less than 1000... The "truck" we
bought originally for the wife is really just a glorified car with bad
gas mileage... After 35 years of driving, I am looking at foreign
trucks for the first time ever. I just can't watch another American
car fall apart after 7 years... My Blazer is an 01 with less than
100,000, closer to 80,000. It's only been used as a truck for the last
15,000 or so. The doors are falling off the thing, the windshield is
falling out. Every contact point on the roof rack is leaking and
around the side windows, sunroof, the back gate won't stay open.. it
is a piece of ****... No more GM for me, and I used to work for them...

************************************************** *************

That's a scary thought...a bunch of 'JustHate clones' assembling your new
$30K vehicle.
Toyota, here I come!
Where's your union solidarity?

What self respecting union would admit JustHate as a member?
They have standards, ya know!

On Dec 18, 2:35*pm, "Don White" wrote:
"Jim" wrote in message

...





Don White wrote:
wrote in message
....
On Dec 17, 11:30 pm, Wayne.B wrote:
On Wed, 17 Dec 2008 19:20:22 -0800 (PST),

wrote:
The Chevy
Blazer I drive now has less than 100,000 miles and because I have used
it like a truck, it's falling apart, literally...
It's not falling apart because you used it like a truck. It's
falling apart because the corporation that built it could give two
****z about quality and durability. That is why they are where they
are.

We are both right. I should be able to use a truck like a truck. ****,
the trailer I tow doesn't weigh 750 pounds loaded with the two bikes.
My boat and trailer only weighs less than 1000... The "truck" we
bought originally for the wife is really just a glorified car with bad
gas mileage... *After 35 years of driving, I am looking at foreign
trucks for the first time ever. I just can't watch another American
car fall apart after 7 years... My Blazer is an 01 with less than
100,000, closer to 80,000. It's only been used as a truck for the last
15,000 or so. The doors are falling off the thing, the windshield is
falling out. Every contact point on the roof rack is leaking and
around the side windows, sunroof, the back gate won't stay open.. it
is a piece of ****... No more GM for me, and I used to work for them....

************************************************** *************

That's a scary thought...a bunch of 'JustHate clones' assembling your new
$30K vehicle.
Toyota, here I come!
Where's your union solidarity?

What self respecting union would admit JustHate as a member?
They have standards, ya know!- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

I am a Teamster, as was my dad for over 50 years... bitch...

wrote:
On Dec 18, 2:35 pm, "Don White" wrote:
"Jim" wrote in message

...





Don White wrote:
wrote in message
...
On Dec 17, 11:30 pm, Wayne.B wrote:
On Wed, 17 Dec 2008 19:20:22 -0800 (PST),
wrote:
The Chevy
Blazer I drive now has less than 100,000 miles and because I have used
it like a truck, it's falling apart, literally...
It's not falling apart because you used it like a truck. It's
falling apart because the corporation that built it could give two
****z about quality and durability. That is why they are where they
are.
We are both right. I should be able to use a truck like a truck. ****,
the trailer I tow doesn't weigh 750 pounds loaded with the two bikes.
My boat and trailer only weighs less than 1000... The "truck" we
bought originally for the wife is really just a glorified car with bad
gas mileage... After 35 years of driving, I am looking at foreign
trucks for the first time ever. I just can't watch another American
car fall apart after 7 years... My Blazer is an 01 with less than
100,000, closer to 80,000. It's only been used as a truck for the last
15,000 or so. The doors are falling off the thing, the windshield is
falling out. Every contact point on the roof rack is leaking and
around the side windows, sunroof, the back gate won't stay open.. it
is a piece of ****... No more GM for me, and I used to work for them...
************************************************** *************
That's a scary thought...a bunch of 'JustHate clones' assembling your new
$30K vehicle.
Toyota, here I come!
Where's your union solidarity?
What self respecting union would admit JustHate as a member?
They have standards, ya know!- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

I am a Teamster, as was my dad for over 50 years... bitch...


I doubt you are a teamster, unless you are paying dues. You current?

On Dec 18, 3:31*pm, Boater wrote:
wrote:
On Dec 18, 2:35 pm, "Don White" wrote:
"Jim" wrote in message

...

Don White wrote:
wrote in message
...
On Dec 17, 11:30 pm, Wayne.B wrote:
On Wed, 17 Dec 2008 19:20:22 -0800 (PST),
wrote:
The Chevy
Blazer I drive now has less than 100,000 miles and because I have used
it like a truck, it's falling apart, literally...
It's not falling apart because you used it like a truck. It's
falling apart because the corporation that built it could give two
****z about quality and durability. That is why they are where they
are.
We are both right. I should be able to use a truck like a truck. ****,
the trailer I tow doesn't weigh 750 pounds loaded with the two bikes..
My boat and trailer only weighs less than 1000... The "truck" we
bought originally for the wife is really just a glorified car with bad
gas mileage... *After 35 years of driving, I am looking at foreign
trucks for the first time ever. I just can't watch another American
car fall apart after 7 years... My Blazer is an 01 with less than
100,000, closer to 80,000. It's only been used as a truck for the last
15,000 or so. The doors are falling off the thing, the windshield is
falling out. Every contact point on the roof rack is leaking and
around the side windows, sunroof, the back gate won't stay open.. it
is a piece of ****... No more GM for me, and I used to work for them....
************************************************** *************
That's a scary thought...a bunch of 'JustHate clones' assembling your new
$30K vehicle.
Toyota, here I come!
Where's your union solidarity?
What self respecting union would admit JustHate as a member?
They have standards, ya know!- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

I am a Teamster, as was my dad for over 50 years... *bitch...

I doubt you are a teamster, unless you are paying dues. You current?- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

You doubt me?? Now that's funny... Thanks for the giggle...

"John" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 18 Dec 2008 08:45:26 -0500, Keith nuttle
wrote:

John wrote:
On Thu, 18 Dec 2008 06:34:34 -0600, Vic Smith
wrote:

On Thu, 18 Dec 2008 02:47:22 -0500, "Eisboch"
wrote:

wrote in message
...


The doors are falling off the thing, the windshield is
falling out. Every contact point on the roof rack is leaking and
around the side windows, sunroof, the back gate won't stay open.. it
is a piece of ****... No more GM for me, and I used to work for
them...


I could never figure out why GM has such a tough time designing window
seals
that don't leak, particularly the rear window on cars. I've seen
rust and
rot in those areas in all of the manufacturer's offerings, but for
some
reason the ones built by GM seem to be far more prone to failure.

That might be personal perception.
Never seen that on any of my GM cars, or noticed it on any of the many
I've maintained. Have replaced a couple power window motors over the
years, but I have nothing to compare it against other brands since I
don't work on any others. Hasn't been a big deal.
BTW, one of my kids works all day on truck suspensions, and drives
them as part of his shake-downs.
The lighter pickups have quite different front suspensions, and he
prefers the Fords, though he's pure GM with his cars.
I think he said the GM 1500 has struts, and don't even think of
putting a plow on it, as many disappointed buyers have done.
Can't remember all the details he spouts out sometimes.
Like anything, you have to get into a bit before you buy, and most
people just believe what the dealer tells them.
I've heard plenty of bad things about Blazers, but people buy them
anyway. Maybe the looks, or they cost less than the competition.
But then Bill says his wife has a good one.
Sometimes TLC rules, and I really don't believe some cars get the care
that others do. Cars are wrapped up in a lot of psychology, and
there's a lot of irrationality in the relationship.
"Ergonomics" is especially a gold mine for that. In many cases it
means as much as what kind of legs you like on your woman.
The internet is real useful in getting detailed problem info.
Better than limited personal anecdotes, yours or mine.
Just as good are mechanics who work on the vehicles all day all the
time.
Dealer mechanics can tell you anything you want to know about a
particular vehicle. But you have to get them away from the service
writer.
Some independent specialists are almost as good. I lucked onto a
local mechanic whose clientele was 95% grey-haired GM car owners.
He's retired now, but was around a long time. You could ask him
about any common GM car and he had seen everything that could go wrong
and tell you how to prevent it or just accept it.
Used him before my son started doing my work, and never
had to go back twice. He wasn't cheap, nor too expensive.

--Vic

My GMC pickup, a 1995, had 160K miles on it when I sold it, cheap, to a
nephew. That was almost two years ago. He's running the daylights out of
it, but he keeps it greased and oiled. It's still running very well.

My wife had a Jimmy (Blazer). With 80K on it, it needed a new
transmission
and a few other big bill repairs. We got rid of it, and got her a
Highlander. She absolutely loved the Jimmy, but we wouldn't get another
one.
--

John Salmonbait
I think vehicle perception is a significant factor when people talk
about autos. At some point in the last thirty years many Americans
decided that any thing made in America was bad, consequently the foreign
cars have been getting a larger share of the market.

From my personal experience I know of three Honda's that have blown
their engines. Yet Hondas are seen as good. I know of no American cars
that have blown their engines. I drove one new Toyota, that while
mechanically good, all of the little things like power mirrors were
crudely engineered.

One of the American cars that I owned gave me nearly 200k trouble free
miles. That car, a 1976 Aspin was rated as the worst car in America,
had an engine problem at 180k. A friend with the sister car Volare got
over 200k with no problems.

I have never owned anything but American, and every one had over 150k
before they were traded, and I have had no major problems with any.

That's good. But, American cars take it in the ear for reliability almost
every time they're rated. I paid no attention to the ratings when I bought
my pickup or when I bought the Jimmy for my wife. The pickup was great.
The
Jimmy wasn't. I bought a new Mustang. Within three months the transmission
and the gas tank were replaced. I kept the car another couple months and
sold it.
--

John Salmonbait

Depends on the car sometimes. Lady across the street has a Honda minivan.
Does not drive it that much and has had to had at least one transmission
replaced. One good thing about the foreign makers is they seem to stand
behind their products. Buddy's 4runner lost an engine at 103k miles, with a
100k extended warrantee. Toyota still installed a new engine. Vs. Ford,
who would not replace both outside rearview mirrors on my Expedition which
desilvered in about 24 months as I had 39k miles on the SUV. Cost them. I
crossed Ford off the list when I bought the next vehicle.

wrote:
On Dec 18, 3:31 pm, Boater wrote:
wrote:
On Dec 18, 2:35 pm, "Don White" wrote:
"Jim" wrote in message
...
Don White wrote:
wrote in message
...
On Dec 17, 11:30 pm, Wayne.B wrote:
On Wed, 17 Dec 2008 19:20:22 -0800 (PST),
wrote:
The Chevy
Blazer I drive now has less than 100,000 miles and because I have used
it like a truck, it's falling apart, literally...
It's not falling apart because you used it like a truck. It's
falling apart because the corporation that built it could give two
****z about quality and durability. That is why they are where they
are.
We are both right. I should be able to use a truck like a truck. ****,
the trailer I tow doesn't weigh 750 pounds loaded with the two bikes.
My boat and trailer only weighs less than 1000... The "truck" we
bought originally for the wife is really just a glorified car with bad
gas mileage... After 35 years of driving, I am looking at foreign
trucks for the first time ever. I just can't watch another American
car fall apart after 7 years... My Blazer is an 01 with less than
100,000, closer to 80,000. It's only been used as a truck for the last
15,000 or so. The doors are falling off the thing, the windshield is
falling out. Every contact point on the roof rack is leaking and
around the side windows, sunroof, the back gate won't stay open.. it
is a piece of ****... No more GM for me, and I used to work for them...
************************************************** *************
That's a scary thought...a bunch of 'JustHate clones' assembling your new
$30K vehicle.
Toyota, here I come!
Where's your union solidarity?
What self respecting union would admit JustHate as a member?
They have standards, ya know!- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
I am a Teamster, as was my dad for over 50 years... bitch...
I doubt you are a teamster, unless you are paying dues. You current?- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

You doubt me?? Now that's funny... Thanks for the giggle...


Yeah. You might have been an IBT member at one point in your life, but
you aren't now. To be a member, you have to pay dues. You're doing doing
that.

You are *not* a Teamster.

On Thu, 18 Dec 2008 16:08:54 -0500, Boater wrote:

wrote:
On Dec 18, 3:31 pm, Boater wrote:
wrote:
On Dec 18, 2:35 pm, "Don White" wrote:
"Jim" wrote in message
...
Don White wrote:
wrote in message
...
On Dec 17, 11:30 pm, Wayne.B wrote:
On Wed, 17 Dec 2008 19:20:22 -0800 (PST),
wrote:
The Chevy
Blazer I drive now has less than 100,000 miles and because I have used
it like a truck, it's falling apart, literally...
It's not falling apart because you used it like a truck. It's
falling apart because the corporation that built it could give two
****z about quality and durability. That is why they are where they
are.
We are both right. I should be able to use a truck like a truck. ****,
the trailer I tow doesn't weigh 750 pounds loaded with the two bikes.
My boat and trailer only weighs less than 1000... The "truck" we
bought originally for the wife is really just a glorified car with bad
gas mileage... After 35 years of driving, I am looking at foreign
trucks for the first time ever. I just can't watch another American
car fall apart after 7 years... My Blazer is an 01 with less than
100,000, closer to 80,000. It's only been used as a truck for the last
15,000 or so. The doors are falling off the thing, the windshield is
falling out. Every contact point on the roof rack is leaking and
around the side windows, sunroof, the back gate won't stay open.. it
is a piece of ****... No more GM for me, and I used to work for them...
************************************************** *************
That's a scary thought...a bunch of 'JustHate clones' assembling your new
$30K vehicle.
Toyota, here I come!
Where's your union solidarity?
What self respecting union would admit JustHate as a member?
They have standards, ya know!- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
I am a Teamster, as was my dad for over 50 years... bitch...
I doubt you are a teamster, unless you are paying dues. You current?- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

You doubt me?? Now that's funny... Thanks for the giggle...


Yeah. You might have been an IBT member at one point in your life, but
you aren't now. To be a member, you have to pay dues. You're doing doing
that.

You are *not* a Teamster.

If he's doing that, why can't he be a teamster?
--
We say, "MERRY CHRISTMAS!"

John

On Dec 18, 5:43*pm, John wrote:
On Thu, 18 Dec 2008 16:08:54 -0500, Boater wrote:
wrote:
On Dec 18, 3:31 pm, Boater wrote:
wrote:
On Dec 18, 2:35 pm, "Don White" wrote:
"Jim" wrote in message
...
Don White wrote:
wrote in message
...
On Dec 17, 11:30 pm, Wayne.B wrote:
On Wed, 17 Dec 2008 19:20:22 -0800 (PST),
wrote:
The Chevy
Blazer I drive now has less than 100,000 miles and because I have used
it like a truck, it's falling apart, literally...
It's not falling apart because you used it like a truck. It's
falling apart because the corporation that built it could give two
****z about quality and durability. That is why they are where they
are.
We are both right. I should be able to use a truck like a truck. ****,
the trailer I tow doesn't weigh 750 pounds loaded with the two bikes.
My boat and trailer only weighs less than 1000... The "truck" we
bought originally for the wife is really just a glorified car with bad
gas mileage... *After 35 years of driving, I am looking at foreign
trucks for the first time ever. I just can't watch another American
car fall apart after 7 years... My Blazer is an 01 with less than
100,000, closer to 80,000. It's only been used as a truck for the last
15,000 or so. The doors are falling off the thing, the windshield is
falling out. Every contact point on the roof rack is leaking and
around the side windows, sunroof, the back gate won't stay open.. it
is a piece of ****... No more GM for me, and I used to work for them...
************************************************** *************
That's a scary thought...a bunch of 'JustHate clones' assembling your new
$30K vehicle.
Toyota, here I come!
Where's your union solidarity?
What self respecting union would admit JustHate as a member?
They have standards, ya know!- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
I am a Teamster, as was my dad for over 50 years... *bitch...
I doubt you are a teamster, unless you are paying dues. You current?- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

You doubt me?? Now that's funny... Thanks for the giggle...

Yeah. You might have been an IBT member at one point in your life, but
you aren't now. To be a member, you have to pay dues. You're doing doing
that.

You are *not* a Teamster.

If he's doing that, why can't he be a teamster?
--
We say, "MERRY CHRISTMAS!"

John- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Because he's "doing doing" that? Gee, if anybody else made that
mistake, Harry would be right there telling them they were "grade
school dropouts".

On Fri, 19 Dec 2008 10:44:31 -0800 (PST), wrote:

On Dec 18, 5:43*pm, John wrote:
On Thu, 18 Dec 2008 16:08:54 -0500, Boater wrote:
wrote:
On Dec 18, 3:31 pm, Boater wrote:
wrote:
On Dec 18, 2:35 pm, "Don White" wrote:
"Jim" wrote in message
...
Don White wrote:
wrote in message
...
On Dec 17, 11:30 pm, Wayne.B wrote:
On Wed, 17 Dec 2008 19:20:22 -0800 (PST),
wrote:
The Chevy
Blazer I drive now has less than 100,000 miles and because I have used
it like a truck, it's falling apart, literally...
It's not falling apart because you used it like a truck. It's
falling apart because the corporation that built it could give two
****z about quality and durability. That is why they are where they
are.
We are both right. I should be able to use a truck like a truck. ****,
the trailer I tow doesn't weigh 750 pounds loaded with the two bikes.
My boat and trailer only weighs less than 1000... The "truck" we
bought originally for the wife is really just a glorified car with bad
gas mileage... *After 35 years of driving, I am looking at foreign
trucks for the first time ever. I just can't watch another American
car fall apart after 7 years... My Blazer is an 01 with less than
100,000, closer to 80,000. It's only been used as a truck for the last
15,000 or so. The doors are falling off the thing, the windshield is
falling out. Every contact point on the roof rack is leaking and
around the side windows, sunroof, the back gate won't stay open.. it
is a piece of ****... No more GM for me, and I used to work for them...
************************************************** *************
That's a scary thought...a bunch of 'JustHate clones' assembling your new
$30K vehicle.
Toyota, here I come!
Where's your union solidarity?
What self respecting union would admit JustHate as a member?
They have standards, ya know!- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
I am a Teamster, as was my dad for over 50 years... *bitch...
I doubt you are a teamster, unless you are paying dues. You current?- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

You doubt me?? Now that's funny... Thanks for the giggle...

Yeah. You might have been an IBT member at one point in your life, but
you aren't now. To be a member, you have to pay dues. You're doing doing
that.

You are *not* a Teamster.

If he's doing that, why can't he be a teamster?
--
We say, "MERRY CHRISTMAS!"

John- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Because he's "doing doing" that? Gee, if anybody else made that
mistake, Harry would be right there telling them they were "grade
school dropouts".

Yeah, but I'm nice.
--
We say, "MERRY CHRISTMAS!"

John