Chrysler Plans Month-Long Shutdown
 

Eisboch wrote:
"Boater" wrote in message
...

Chrysler says to shut down all production for month
Wed Dec 17, 2008 6:27pm EST


Just heard that. The primary reason is because of inflated inventory of
unsold cars.

Interestingly, union workers will still be paid while they stay home, per
their contract.

The Chrysler CEO was just interviewed on CNN. He stated that unless the
government comes through soon with a bridge loan (bailout) that Chrysler
will most likely bypass Chapter 11 and go directly to Chapter 7 liquidation.

Ford has also announced production cutbacks.

Detroit is putting the pressure on the government to do something.

Eisboch


That's the employee's fault how? You did whatever. Auto workers applied
for auto mfg jobs. You resent anyone that labors, for a living getting
an adequate wage. In your world only stock swindlers and gamblers are
entitled to a decent living. Wall Street and Washington designed what we
get. Wall Street, ICE, and Global Banking swindlers and loan sharks made
the mess we are in. We bailed them out and the game continues. We are
waiting on the bill and can't afford a car and the bill too especially
when the jobs and technologies are no win India, China etc. They are
getting wage slave labor and they are reintroducing it to us, part time
no benefits, of course, for remaining jobs. The Hamptons and other in
spots are rocking, with our bailout money. Everybody else is waiting on
our Elected Officials to rectify the corruption and bring back America.
It ain't happening. They are just trying, to secure the Scoundrels
future, that did this to us. They otherwise are keeping silent because
they haven't got balls and an idea, of what to do, because it might
offend the Offenders. Welcome to Feudalism, of Globalism. We are about
to get an interjection, of Socialism, for us but they offenders are not
affected, that can bee seen yet. Neither one is what the Republic is
about. Quite bitching about losing at the table. Yale might be offering
remedial course on giving your cash, to the right Investment Banker and
which table, to play.

Chrysler Plans Month-Long Shutdown
 

"That's the employee's fault how? You did whatever. Auto workers
applied
for auto mfg jobs. You resent anyone that labors, for a living getting
an adequate wage. In your world only stock swindlers and gamblers are
entitled to a decent living."

Depends on what you mean by "adequate wage" and "decent living."


Around here the local factories pay maintenance workers something like
$18-22.00 hr. and are pretty well satisfied with it. . When the Ford
plant in St. Louis closed a couple years ago, a guy running a
pneumatic air wrench tightening lug nuts was making $34.00 an hr.

The maintenance workers in one place must attend seminars and
schooling (company paid, of course) on equipment repair and must sign
their names to maintenance procedures which are then signed by
supervisors so that machinery is maintained properly and by code.
the guy with the lug wrench has a lunch bucket.

So I look at it like this. One group isn't making enough, or the other
is making too much.

"Quite bitching about losing at the table. "

One is still going to work daily and the other one's plant got shut
down.

So who lost?

Chrysler Plans Month-Long Shutdown
 

nada wrote:
Eisboch wrote:
"Boater" wrote in message
...

Chrysler says to shut down all production for month
Wed Dec 17, 2008 6:27pm EST


Just heard that. The primary reason is because of inflated inventory
of unsold cars.

Interestingly, union workers will still be paid while they stay home,
per their contract.

The Chrysler CEO was just interviewed on CNN. He stated that unless
the government comes through soon with a bridge loan (bailout) that
Chrysler will most likely bypass Chapter 11 and go directly to Chapter
7 liquidation.

Ford has also announced production cutbacks.

Detroit is putting the pressure on the government to do something.

Eisboch

That's the employee's fault how? You did whatever. Auto workers applied
for auto mfg jobs. You resent anyone that labors, for a living getting
an adequate wage. In your world only stock swindlers and gamblers are
entitled to a decent living. Wall Street and Washington designed what we
get. Wall Street, ICE, and Global Banking swindlers and loan sharks made
the mess we are in. We bailed them out and the game continues. We are
waiting on the bill and can't afford a car and the bill too especially
when the jobs and technologies are no win India, China etc. They are
getting wage slave labor and they are reintroducing it to us, part time
no benefits, of course, for remaining jobs. The Hamptons and other in
spots are rocking, with our bailout money. Everybody else is waiting on
our Elected Officials to rectify the corruption and bring back America.
It ain't happening. They are just trying, to secure the Scoundrels
future, that did this to us. They otherwise are keeping silent because
they haven't got balls and an idea, of what to do, because it might
offend the Offenders. Welcome to Feudalism, of Globalism. We are about
to get an interjection, of Socialism, for us but they offenders are not
affected, that can bee seen yet. Neither one is what the Republic is
about. Quite bitching about losing at the table. Yale might be offering
remedial course on giving your cash, to the right Investment Banker and
which table, to play.

No one is owed a job for life.

If you give a days labor you get paid for a days labor. That's it.

Chrysler Plans Month-Long Shutdown
 

On Dec 17, 10:19*pm, BAR wrote:
nada wrote:
Eisboch wrote:
"Boater" wrote in message
...

Chrysler says to shut down all production for month
Wed Dec 17, 2008 6:27pm EST

Just heard that. *The primary reason is because of inflated inventory
of unsold cars.

Interestingly, union workers will still be paid while they stay home,
per their contract.

The Chrysler CEO was just interviewed on CNN. * He stated that unless
the government comes through soon with a bridge loan (bailout) *that
Chrysler will most likely bypass Chapter 11 and go directly to Chapter
7 liquidation.

Ford has also announced production cutbacks.

Detroit is putting the pressure on the government to do something.

Eisboch

That's the employee's fault how? You did whatever. Auto workers applied
for auto mfg jobs. You resent anyone that labors, for a living getting
an adequate wage. In your world only stock swindlers and gamblers are
entitled to a decent living. Wall Street and Washington designed what we
get. Wall Street, ICE, and Global Banking swindlers and loan sharks made
the mess we are in. We bailed them out and the game continues. We are
waiting on the bill and can't afford a car and the bill too especially
when the jobs and technologies are no win India, China etc. They are
getting wage slave labor and they are reintroducing it to us, part time
no benefits, of course, for remaining jobs. The Hamptons and other in
spots are rocking, with our bailout money. Everybody else is waiting on
our Elected Officials to rectify the corruption and bring back America.
It ain't happening. They are just trying, to secure the Scoundrels
future, that did this to us. They otherwise are keeping silent because
they haven't got balls and an idea, of what to do, because it might
offend the Offenders. Welcome to Feudalism, of Globalism. We are about
to get an interjection, of Socialism, for us but they offenders are not
affected, that can bee seen yet. Neither one is what the Republic is
about. Quite bitching about losing at the table. Yale might be offering
remedial course on giving your cash, to the right Investment Banker and
which table, to play.

No one is owed a job for life.

If you give a days labor you get paid for a days labor. That's it.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

This coming from a sock puppet... Whos probably never worked for a
days wages...... Too stupid to get a Union Job...so he's totally
against Unions.

Chrysler Plans Month-Long Shutdown
 

Chrysler Plans Month-Long Shutdown
 

On Dec 17, 10:48*pm, Boater wrote:
wrote:
On Dec 17, 10:19 pm, BAR wrote:
nada wrote:
Eisboch wrote:
"Boater" wrote in message
...
Chrysler says to shut down all production for month
Wed Dec 17, 2008 6:27pm EST
Just heard that. *The primary reason is because of inflated inventory
of unsold cars.
Interestingly, union workers will still be paid while they stay home,
per their contract.
The Chrysler CEO was just interviewed on CNN. * He stated that unless
the government comes through soon with a bridge loan (bailout) *that
Chrysler will most likely bypass Chapter 11 and go directly to Chapter
7 liquidation.
Ford has also announced production cutbacks.
Detroit is putting the pressure on the government to do something.
Eisboch
That's the employee's fault how? You did whatever. Auto workers applied
for auto mfg jobs. You resent anyone that labors, for a living getting
an adequate wage. In your world only stock swindlers and gamblers are
entitled to a decent living. Wall Street and Washington designed what we
get. Wall Street, ICE, and Global Banking swindlers and loan sharks made
the mess we are in. We bailed them out and the game continues. We are
waiting on the bill and can't afford a car and the bill too especially
when the jobs and technologies are no win India, China etc. They are
getting wage slave labor and they are reintroducing it to us, part time
no benefits, of course, for remaining jobs. The Hamptons and other in
spots are rocking, with our bailout money. Everybody else is waiting on
our Elected Officials to rectify the corruption and bring back America.
It ain't happening. They are just trying, to secure the Scoundrels
future, that did this to us. They otherwise are keeping silent because
they haven't got balls and an idea, of what to do, because it might
offend the Offenders. Welcome to Feudalism, of Globalism. We are about
to get an interjection, of Socialism, for us but they offenders are not
affected, that can bee seen yet. Neither one is what the Republic is
about. Quite bitching about losing at the table. Yale might be offering
remedial course on giving your cash, to the right Investment Banker and
which table, to play.
No one is owed a job for life.

If you give a days labor you get paid for a days labor. That's it.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

This coming from a sock puppet... Whos probably never worked for a
days wages...... Too stupid to get a Union Job...so he's totally
against Unions.

Actually, he doesn't really have a job. He's an "at-will" employee, a
day worker, as it were, with no benefits whatsoever.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

When was the last time you worked for a living?

Chrysler Plans Month-Long Shutdown
 

Actually, he doesn't really have a job. He's an "at-will" employee, a day worker, as it were, with no benefits whatsoever.

When was the last time you worked for a living?


Every night, asshole. I haul the cars after they're made...but you
dont remember that, do you, Mr Sock Puppet.
The " Temp " office not called lately?

Chrysler Plans Month-Long Shutdown
 

"nada" wrote in message
...
Eisboch wrote:
"Boater" wrote in message
...

Chrysler says to shut down all production for month
Wed Dec 17, 2008 6:27pm EST


Just heard that. The primary reason is because of inflated inventory of
unsold cars.

Interestingly, union workers will still be paid while they stay home, per
their contract.

The Chrysler CEO was just interviewed on CNN. He stated that unless the
government comes through soon with a bridge loan (bailout) that Chrysler
will most likely bypass Chapter 11 and go directly to Chapter 7
liquidation.

Ford has also announced production cutbacks.

Detroit is putting the pressure on the government to do something.

Eisboch
That's the employee's fault how? You did whatever. Auto workers applied
for auto mfg jobs. You resent anyone that labors, for a living getting an
adequate wage. In your world only stock swindlers and gamblers are
entitled to a decent living. Wall Street and Washington designed what we
get. Wall Street, ICE, and Global Banking swindlers and loan sharks made
the mess we are in. We bailed them out and the game continues. We are
waiting on the bill and can't afford a car and the bill too especially
when the jobs and technologies are no win India, China etc. They are
getting wage slave labor and they are reintroducing it to us, part time no
benefits, of course, for remaining jobs. The Hamptons and other in spots
are rocking, with our bailout money. Everybody else is waiting on our
Elected Officials to rectify the corruption and bring back America. It
ain't happening. They are just trying, to secure the Scoundrels future,
that did this to us. They otherwise are keeping silent because they
haven't got balls and an idea, of what to do, because it might offend the
Offenders. Welcome to Feudalism, of Globalism. We are about to get an
interjection, of Socialism, for us but they offenders are not affected,
that can bee seen yet. Neither one is what the Republic is about. Quite
bitching about losing at the table. Yale might be offering remedial course
on giving your cash, to the right Investment Banker and which table, to
play.


What the hell are you babbling about? Who's "blaming" anybody, other than
the Detroit CEO's putting the pressure on the Fed to do something?

Write back when you sober up.

Eisboch

Chrysler Plans Month-Long Shutdown
 

wrote in message
...



Every night, asshole. I haul the cars after they're made...but you
dont remember that, do you, Mr Sock Puppet.
The " Temp " office not called lately?

Figures. Now it's all starting to make some sense.
Hopefully you are not employed by Chrysler or GM.
You may soon need to acquire some social skills and manners for your
job interviews.

Eisboch

Chrysler Plans Month-Long Shutdown
 

Chrysler Plans Month-Long Shutdown
 

Boater wrote:
wrote:
On Dec 17, 10:19 pm, BAR wrote:
nada wrote:
Eisboch wrote:
"Boater" wrote in message
...
Chrysler says to shut down all production for month
Wed Dec 17, 2008 6:27pm EST
Just heard that. The primary reason is because of inflated inventory
of unsold cars.
Interestingly, union workers will still be paid while they stay home,
per their contract.
The Chrysler CEO was just interviewed on CNN. He stated that unless
the government comes through soon with a bridge loan (bailout) that
Chrysler will most likely bypass Chapter 11 and go directly to Chapter
7 liquidation.
Ford has also announced production cutbacks.
Detroit is putting the pressure on the government to do something.
Eisboch
That's the employee's fault how? You did whatever. Auto workers applied
for auto mfg jobs. You resent anyone that labors, for a living getting
an adequate wage. In your world only stock swindlers and gamblers are
entitled to a decent living. Wall Street and Washington designed
what we
get. Wall Street, ICE, and Global Banking swindlers and loan sharks
made
the mess we are in. We bailed them out and the game continues. We are
waiting on the bill and can't afford a car and the bill too especially
when the jobs and technologies are no win India, China etc. They are
getting wage slave labor and they are reintroducing it to us, part time
no benefits, of course, for remaining jobs. The Hamptons and other in
spots are rocking, with our bailout money. Everybody else is waiting on
our Elected Officials to rectify the corruption and bring back America.
It ain't happening. They are just trying, to secure the Scoundrels
future, that did this to us. They otherwise are keeping silent because
they haven't got balls and an idea, of what to do, because it might
offend the Offenders. Welcome to Feudalism, of Globalism. We are about
to get an interjection, of Socialism, for us but they offenders are not
affected, that can bee seen yet. Neither one is what the Republic is
about. Quite bitching about losing at the table. Yale might be offering
remedial course on giving your cash, to the right Investment Banker and
which table, to play.
No one is owed a job for life.

If you give a days labor you get paid for a days labor. That's it.-
Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

This coming from a sock puppet... Whos probably never worked for a
days wages...... Too stupid to get a Union Job...so he's totally
against Unions.


Actually, he doesn't really have a job. He's an "at-will" employee, a
day worker, as it were, with no benefits whatsoever.

What benefits do I need? I take responsibility for my current needs and
my future needs.

Chrysler Plans Month-Long Shutdown
 

Eisboch wrote:
wrote in message
...


Every night, asshole. I haul the cars after they're made...but you
dont remember that, do you, Mr Sock Puppet.
The " Temp " office not called lately?

Figures. Now it's all starting to make some sense.
Hopefully you are not employed by Chrysler or GM.
You may soon need to acquire some social skills and manners for your
job interviews.

He can become a "Repo Man".

Chrysler Plans Month-Long Shutdown
 

BAR wrote:
Boater wrote:


Actually, he doesn't really have a job. He's an "at-will" employee, a
day worker, as it were, with no benefits whatsoever.

What benefits do I need? I take responsibility for my current needs and
my future needs.


To each his own. I am thankful for my many years of union membership and
the fact that I kept it up even though I haven't worked at my skilled
union trade for a long, long time. I've paid for my benefits, but thanks
to collective effort, they are far superior and at a lower price than I
could have purchased individually. Plus, they have been "portable," and
not related to payroll employment I have had since.

The pension I will be getting if ever I put in for it will be small, but
the health benefits all these years have been first-rate.

The best financial decision I ever made was the day after I realized for
certain "the stock market" was a fraud. I got almost entirely out of the
market then, and haven't looked back. Some of my buddies took a real
bath in their 401k accounts, and I feel for them.

I'm friendly with the head of investments at one of the international
union pension funds. They stopped investing in stocks about 25 years ago
because no matter what they bought, someone complained about the
corporation's behavior. I'm not familiar with their portfolio, but I do
know they keep well ahead of liabilities for their current and future
defined benefit pension holders.

Chrysler Plans Month-Long Shutdown
 

On Dec 18, 2:20*am, "Eisboch" wrote:
wrote in message

...



Every night, asshole. I haul the cars after they're made...but you
dont remember that, do you, Mr Sock Puppet.
The " Temp " office not called lately?

Figures. *Now it's all starting to make some sense.
Hopefully you are not employed by Chrysler or GM.
You may soon need to acquire some social skills and manners for your
job interviews.

Eisboch

LOL!! You nailed it, Eisboch. +1

Chrysler Plans Month-Long Shutdown
 

Chrysler Plans Month-Long Shutdown
 

HK wrote:
BAR wrote:
Boater wrote:


Actually, he doesn't really have a job. He's an "at-will" employee, a
day worker, as it were, with no benefits whatsoever.

What benefits do I need? I take responsibility for my current needs
and my future needs.


To each his own. I am thankful for my many years of union membership and
the fact that I kept it up even though I haven't worked at my skilled
union trade for a long, long time. I've paid for my benefits, but thanks
to collective effort, they are far superior and at a lower price than I
could have purchased individually. Plus, they have been "portable," and
not related to payroll employment I have had since.

The pension I will be getting if ever I put in for it will be small, but
the health benefits all these years have been first-rate.

The best financial decision I ever made was the day after I realized for
certain "the stock market" was a fraud. I got almost entirely out of the
market then, and haven't looked back. Some of my buddies took a real
bath in their 401k accounts, and I feel for them.

I'm friendly with the head of investments at one of the international
union pension funds. They stopped investing in stocks about 25 years ago
because no matter what they bought, someone complained about the
corporation's behavior. I'm not familiar with their portfolio, but I do
know they keep well ahead of liabilities for their current and future
defined benefit pension holders.

Aren't you eligible to piggy back on your "wife'/Significant other's"
benefit plan? Does her union recognize domestic partnerships for benefit
programs?

Chrysler Plans Month-Long Shutdown
 

On Dec 18, 12:24*am, wrote:
Actually, he doesn't really have a job. He's an "at-will" employee, a day worker, as it were, with no benefits whatsoever.
When was the last time you worked for a living?

Every night, asshole. I haul the cars after they're made...but you
dont remember that, do you, Mr Sock Puppet.
The " Temp " office not called lately?

It's not that we don't remember.. it's just that when it comes to
you,we really don't care or pay much attention...

Chrysler Plans Month-Long Shutdown
 

On Dec 18, 2:20*am, "Eisboch" wrote:
wrote in message

...



Every night, asshole. I haul the cars after they're made...but you
dont remember that, do you, Mr Sock Puppet.
The " Temp " office not called lately?

Figures. *Now it's all starting to make some sense.
Hopefully you are not employed by Chrysler or GM.
You may soon need to acquire some social skills and manners for your
job interviews.

Eisboch

Neither, rich boy. Nada on the Ford as well. You've been told what I
do...oh..." are you confused"

Chrysler Plans Month-Long Shutdown
 

On Dec 18, 10:10*am, wrote:
On Dec 18, 12:24*am, wrote:

Actually, he doesn't really have a job. He's an "at-will" employee, a day worker, as it were, with no benefits whatsoever.
When was the last time you worked for a living?

Every night, asshole. I haul the cars after they're made...but you
dont remember that, do you, Mr Sock Puppet.
The " Temp " office not called lately?

It's not that we don't remember.. it's just that when it comes to
you,we really don't care or pay much attention...

No, its the fact that you have brain damage.

Chrysler Plans Month-Long Shutdown
 

On Dec 18, 12:24*am, wrote:
Actually, he doesn't really have a job. He's an "at-will" employee, a day worker, as it were, with no benefits whatsoever.
When was the last time you worked for a living?

Every night, asshole. I haul the cars after they're made...but you
dont remember that, do you, Mr Sock Puppet.
The " Temp " office not called lately?

Well, that certainly makes you an expert on U.S. car manufacturing
business, eh?

Chrysler Plans Month-Long Shutdown
 

Jim wrote:
HK wrote:
BAR wrote:
Boater wrote:


Actually, he doesn't really have a job. He's an "at-will" employee,
a day worker, as it were, with no benefits whatsoever.

What benefits do I need? I take responsibility for my current needs
and my future needs.


To each his own. I am thankful for my many years of union membership
and the fact that I kept it up even though I haven't worked at my
skilled union trade for a long, long time. I've paid for my benefits,
but thanks to collective effort, they are far superior and at a lower
price than I could have purchased individually. Plus, they have been
"portable," and not related to payroll employment I have had since.

The pension I will be getting if ever I put in for it will be small,
but the health benefits all these years have been first-rate.

The best financial decision I ever made was the day after I realized
for certain "the stock market" was a fraud. I got almost entirely out
of the market then, and haven't looked back. Some of my buddies took a
real bath in their 401k accounts, and I feel for them.

I'm friendly with the head of investments at one of the international
union pension funds. They stopped investing in stocks about 25 years
ago because no matter what they bought, someone complained about the
corporation's behavior. I'm not familiar with their portfolio, but I
do know they keep well ahead of liabilities for their current and
future defined benefit pension holders.

Aren't you eligible to piggy back on your "wife'/Significant other's"
benefit plan? Does her union recognize domestic partnerships for benefit
programs?

Is Harry a lesbian?

Chrysler Plans Month-Long Shutdown
 

BAR wrote:
Jim wrote:
HK wrote:
BAR wrote:
Boater wrote:


Actually, he doesn't really have a job. He's an "at-will" employee,
a day worker, as it were, with no benefits whatsoever.

What benefits do I need? I take responsibility for my current needs
and my future needs.


To each his own. I am thankful for my many years of union membership
and the fact that I kept it up even though I haven't worked at my
skilled union trade for a long, long time. I've paid for my benefits,
but thanks to collective effort, they are far superior and at a lower
price than I could have purchased individually. Plus, they have been
"portable," and not related to payroll employment I have had since.

The pension I will be getting if ever I put in for it will be small,
but the health benefits all these years have been first-rate.

The best financial decision I ever made was the day after I realized
for certain "the stock market" was a fraud. I got almost entirely out
of the market then, and haven't looked back. Some of my buddies took
a real bath in their 401k accounts, and I feel for them.

I'm friendly with the head of investments at one of the international
union pension funds. They stopped investing in stocks about 25 years
ago because no matter what they bought, someone complained about the
corporation's behavior. I'm not familiar with their portfolio, but I
do know they keep well ahead of liabilities for their current and
future defined benefit pension holders.

Aren't you eligible to piggy back on your "wife'/Significant other's"
benefit plan? Does her union recognize domestic partnerships for
benefit programs?

Is Harry a lesbian?


In my next life.

The pile of **** known as FloridaJim is so curious about me. Strange.

Chrysler Plans Month-Long Shutdown
 

Boater wrote:
BAR wrote:
Jim wrote:
HK wrote:
BAR wrote:
Boater wrote:


Actually, he doesn't really have a job. He's an "at-will"
employee, a day worker, as it were, with no benefits whatsoever.

What benefits do I need? I take responsibility for my current needs
and my future needs.


To each his own. I am thankful for my many years of union membership
and the fact that I kept it up even though I haven't worked at my
skilled union trade for a long, long time. I've paid for my
benefits, but thanks to collective effort, they are far superior and
at a lower price than I could have purchased individually. Plus,
they have been "portable," and not related to payroll employment I
have had since.

The pension I will be getting if ever I put in for it will be small,
but the health benefits all these years have been first-rate.

The best financial decision I ever made was the day after I realized
for certain "the stock market" was a fraud. I got almost entirely
out of the market then, and haven't looked back. Some of my buddies
took a real bath in their 401k accounts, and I feel for them.

I'm friendly with the head of investments at one of the
international union pension funds. They stopped investing in stocks
about 25 years ago because no matter what they bought, someone
complained about the corporation's behavior. I'm not familiar with
their portfolio, but I do know they keep well ahead of liabilities
for their current and future defined benefit pension holders.

Aren't you eligible to piggy back on your "wife'/Significant other's"
benefit plan? Does her union recognize domestic partnerships for
benefit programs?

Is Harry a lesbian?


In my next life.

The pile of **** known as FloridaJim is so curious about me. Strange.

You are an oddity. You invite questions?

Chrysler Plans Month-Long Shutdown
 

BAR wrote:
Jim wrote:
HK wrote:
BAR wrote:
Boater wrote:


Actually, he doesn't really have a job. He's an "at-will" employee,
a day worker, as it were, with no benefits whatsoever.

What benefits do I need? I take responsibility for my current needs
and my future needs.


To each his own. I am thankful for my many years of union membership
and the fact that I kept it up even though I haven't worked at my
skilled union trade for a long, long time. I've paid for my benefits,
but thanks to collective effort, they are far superior and at a lower
price than I could have purchased individually. Plus, they have been
"portable," and not related to payroll employment I have had since.

The pension I will be getting if ever I put in for it will be small,
but the health benefits all these years have been first-rate.

The best financial decision I ever made was the day after I realized
for certain "the stock market" was a fraud. I got almost entirely out
of the market then, and haven't looked back. Some of my buddies took
a real bath in their 401k accounts, and I feel for them.

I'm friendly with the head of investments at one of the international
union pension funds. They stopped investing in stocks about 25 years
ago because no matter what they bought, someone complained about the
corporation's behavior. I'm not familiar with their portfolio, but I
do know they keep well ahead of liabilities for their current and
future defined benefit pension holders.

Aren't you eligible to piggy back on your "wife'/Significant other's"
benefit plan? Does her union recognize domestic partnerships for
benefit programs?

Is Harry a lesbian?
Doubtful. I was thinking cohabitation or common law rights. Did I use a
wrong term?

Chrysler Plans Month-Long Shutdown
 

Boater wrote:
BAR wrote:
Jim wrote:
HK wrote:
BAR wrote:
Boater wrote:


Actually, he doesn't really have a job. He's an "at-will"
employee, a day worker, as it were, with no benefits whatsoever.

What benefits do I need? I take responsibility for my current needs
and my future needs.


To each his own. I am thankful for my many years of union membership
and the fact that I kept it up even though I haven't worked at my
skilled union trade for a long, long time. I've paid for my
benefits, but thanks to collective effort, they are far superior and
at a lower price than I could have purchased individually. Plus,
they have been "portable," and not related to payroll employment I
have had since.

The pension I will be getting if ever I put in for it will be small,
but the health benefits all these years have been first-rate.

The best financial decision I ever made was the day after I realized
for certain "the stock market" was a fraud. I got almost entirely
out of the market then, and haven't looked back. Some of my buddies
took a real bath in their 401k accounts, and I feel for them.

I'm friendly with the head of investments at one of the
international union pension funds. They stopped investing in stocks
about 25 years ago because no matter what they bought, someone
complained about the corporation's behavior. I'm not familiar with
their portfolio, but I do know they keep well ahead of liabilities
for their current and future defined benefit pension holders.

Aren't you eligible to piggy back on your "wife'/Significant other's"
benefit plan? Does her union recognize domestic partnerships for
benefit programs?

Is Harry a lesbian?


In my next life.

The pile of **** known as FloridaJim is so curious about me. Strange.

You certainly are strange. But you do have a certain perverse
entertainment value.

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On Dec 18, 7:54*pm, Jim wrote:
Boater wrote:
BAR wrote:
Jim wrote:
HK wrote:
BAR wrote:
Boater wrote:

Actually, he doesn't really have a job. He's an "at-will"
employee, a day worker, as it were, with no benefits whatsoever.

What benefits do I need? I take responsibility for my current needs
and my future needs.

To each his own. I am thankful for my many years of union membership
and the fact that I kept it up even though I haven't worked at my
skilled union trade for a long, long time. I've paid for my
benefits, but thanks to collective effort, they are far superior and
at a lower price than I could have purchased individually. Plus,
they have been "portable," and not related to payroll employment I
have had since.

The pension I will be getting if ever I put in for it will be small,
but the health benefits all these years have been first-rate.

The best financial decision I ever made was the day after I realized
for certain "the stock market" was a fraud. I got almost entirely
out of the market then, and haven't looked back. Some of my buddies
took a real bath in their 401k accounts, and I feel for them.

I'm friendly with the head of investments at one of the
international union pension funds. They stopped investing in stocks
about 25 years ago because no matter what they bought, someone
complained about the corporation's behavior. I'm not familiar with
their portfolio, but I do know they keep well ahead of liabilities
for their current and future defined benefit pension holders.

Aren't you eligible to piggy back on your "wife'/Significant other's"
benefit plan? Does her union recognize domestic partnerships for
benefit programs?

Is Harry a lesbian?

In my next life.

The pile of **** known as FloridaJim is so curious about me. Strange.

You certainly are strange. But you do have a certain perverse
entertainment value.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

So, what do you guys think of the Hyundai Santa Fe? I was looking at
them tonight. Like the stability control and the room in the back
seats.. The cockpit is a little tighter than the Blazer and I don't
like the automatic 4WD. You can't lock it in maually, the computer
does it when it needs it...

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Jim wrote:
BAR wrote:
Jim wrote:
HK wrote:
BAR wrote:
Boater wrote:


Actually, he doesn't really have a job. He's an "at-will"
employee, a day worker, as it were, with no benefits whatsoever.

What benefits do I need? I take responsibility for my current needs
and my future needs.


To each his own. I am thankful for my many years of union membership
and the fact that I kept it up even though I haven't worked at my
skilled union trade for a long, long time. I've paid for my
benefits, but thanks to collective effort, they are far superior and
at a lower price than I could have purchased individually. Plus,
they have been "portable," and not related to payroll employment I
have had since.

The pension I will be getting if ever I put in for it will be small,
but the health benefits all these years have been first-rate.

The best financial decision I ever made was the day after I realized
for certain "the stock market" was a fraud. I got almost entirely
out of the market then, and haven't looked back. Some of my buddies
took a real bath in their 401k accounts, and I feel for them.

I'm friendly with the head of investments at one of the
international union pension funds. They stopped investing in stocks
about 25 years ago because no matter what they bought, someone
complained about the corporation's behavior. I'm not familiar with
their portfolio, but I do know they keep well ahead of liabilities
for their current and future defined benefit pension holders.

Aren't you eligible to piggy back on your "wife'/Significant other's"
benefit plan? Does her union recognize domestic partnerships for
benefit programs?

Is Harry a lesbian?
Doubtful. I was thinking cohabitation or common law rights. Did I use a
wrong term?

"Domestic partnership" usually means same sex partner.

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BAR wrote:
Jim wrote:
BAR wrote:
Jim wrote:
HK wrote:
BAR wrote:
Boater wrote:


Actually, he doesn't really have a job. He's an "at-will"
employee, a day worker, as it were, with no benefits whatsoever.

What benefits do I need? I take responsibility for my current
needs and my future needs.


To each his own. I am thankful for my many years of union
membership and the fact that I kept it up even though I haven't
worked at my skilled union trade for a long, long time. I've paid
for my benefits, but thanks to collective effort, they are far
superior and at a lower price than I could have purchased
individually. Plus, they have been "portable," and not related to
payroll employment I have had since.

The pension I will be getting if ever I put in for it will be
small, but the health benefits all these years have been first-rate.

The best financial decision I ever made was the day after I
realized for certain "the stock market" was a fraud. I got almost
entirely out of the market then, and haven't looked back. Some of
my buddies took a real bath in their 401k accounts, and I feel for
them.

I'm friendly with the head of investments at one of the
international union pension funds. They stopped investing in stocks
about 25 years ago because no matter what they bought, someone
complained about the corporation's behavior. I'm not familiar with
their portfolio, but I do know they keep well ahead of liabilities
for their current and future defined benefit pension holders.

Aren't you eligible to piggy back on your "wife'/Significant
other's" benefit plan? Does her union recognize domestic
partnerships for benefit programs?

Is Harry a lesbian?
Doubtful. I was thinking cohabitation or common law rights. Did I use
a wrong term?

"Domestic partnership" usually means same sex partner.

I STAND CORRECTED

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On Thu, 18 Dec 2008 17:04:55 -0800 (PST),
wrote:

On Dec 18, 7:54*pm, Jim wrote:
Boater wrote:
BAR wrote:
Jim wrote:
HK wrote:
BAR wrote:
Boater wrote:

Actually, he doesn't really have a job. He's an "at-will"
employee, a day worker, as it were, with no benefits whatsoever.

What benefits do I need? I take responsibility for my current needs
and my future needs.

To each his own. I am thankful for my many years of union membership
and the fact that I kept it up even though I haven't worked at my
skilled union trade for a long, long time. I've paid for my
benefits, but thanks to collective effort, they are far superior and
at a lower price than I could have purchased individually. Plus,
they have been "portable," and not related to payroll employment I
have had since.

The pension I will be getting if ever I put in for it will be small,
but the health benefits all these years have been first-rate.

The best financial decision I ever made was the day after I realized
for certain "the stock market" was a fraud. I got almost entirely
out of the market then, and haven't looked back. Some of my buddies
took a real bath in their 401k accounts, and I feel for them.

I'm friendly with the head of investments at one of the
international union pension funds. They stopped investing in stocks
about 25 years ago because no matter what they bought, someone
complained about the corporation's behavior. I'm not familiar with
their portfolio, but I do know they keep well ahead of liabilities
for their current and future defined benefit pension holders.

Aren't you eligible to piggy back on your "wife'/Significant other's"
benefit plan? Does her union recognize domestic partnerships for
benefit programs?

Is Harry a lesbian?

In my next life.

The pile of **** known as FloridaJim is so curious about me. Strange.

You certainly are strange. But you do have a certain perverse
entertainment value.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

So, what do you guys think of the Hyundai Santa Fe? I was looking at
them tonight. Like the stability control and the room in the back
seats.. The cockpit is a little tighter than the Blazer and I don't
like the automatic 4WD. You can't lock it in maually, the computer
does it when it needs it...

Some Consumer Reports comments:

Model Summary:
The Santa Fe is pleasant and has a small, optional third-row seat. The
standard 2.7-liter V6 does an acceptable job, but the optional 3.3-liter V6
is more powerful and refined. The five-speed automatic is slick and
responsive. Electronic stability control and curtain air bags are standard.
The Santa Fe is roomy and quiet with fairly quick steering response, making
it more agile than the last model. We found the ride compliant and better
controlled. The seats are comfortable, but head room is a bit tight for
tall drivers.

Road Test:


Road Test
The Santa Fe is a good SUV and trails only the Subaru Forester and Toyota
RAV4 V6 at the top of our Ratings. With an interior now big enough for a
third-row seat and excellent fit and finish, it is a refined and versatile
package. It has responsive handling with a firm but comfortable ride. The
3.3-liter V6 is smooth, but fuel economy is disappointing (a 2.7-liter V6
is standard).

THE DRIVING EXPERIENCE
The ride is compliant and steady, with restrained body motions. The cabin
is quiet, with well-suppressed road and wind noise. Routine handling is
more nimble and responsive than its predecessor's but not as sporty as some
competing models, such as the Mitsubishi Outlander's. Steering is fairly
quick but lightly weighted. At the track, the Santa Fe was reasonably quick
in our avoidance maneuver, aided by well-calibrated standard stability
control. The 242-horsepower, 3.3-liter V6 and five-speed automatic
transmission make for a smooth and responsive powertrain, but we measured
only 18 mpg overall. The AWD model we tested has a locking differential for
slippery conditions. The Santa Fe can tow a trailer weighing up to 3,500
pounds. The brake pedal is firm, and stops were fairly short. Halogen
headlights shone a good distance.

INSIDE THE CABIN
Rubberized and nicely grained surfaces and lined storage bins are pleasant
touches. Most panels fit together well, with tight seams. Drivers have
plenty of knee and leg room, but taller ones found insufficient head room
because of the sunroof. The steering wheel tilts and telescopes. Visibility
is good to the front and sides, but small rear side windows, the third-row
seatbacks (when in use), and thick rear pillars obscure the view to the
rear. Firm front seats provide good back support. The second-row seat is
roomy and comfortable for three passengers, but the cushion is too low for
good thigh support. The Santa Fe's third-row seat is suitable only for
children, with a low cushion and very little leg room. The 50/50-split
bench is easy to fold. Access to the front and second row is excellent
through large door openings. Third-row access is tight past the flipped-up
second-row seats. Most controls are simple and well labeled, but the gauges
lack daytime contrast. The cabin has moderate storage, and cargo capacity
is 37.5 cubic feet with third- and second-row seatbacks folded. The
liftgate opens easily and rises clear of a six-footer's head. A hand strap
inside the liftgate helps shorter people reach up and close it. A large
exterior handle also assists with opening the gate.

SAFETY NOTES
Front seatback-mounted side-impact and curtain head-protection air bags,
extending to protect front and rear outboard occupants, are both standard
on the Santa Fe. They supplement required front air bags and three-point
seatbelts in all seating positions. The front seatbelts have adjustable
upper anchors for improving comfort and safety, and are equipped with
pretensioners and force limiters to reduce the belt slack and forces in the
event of a crash. Air bag deployment levels are influenced by the front
occupant's belt usage and seat position. An occupant classification system
for the front passenger seat is designed to turn off the front air bag if
it detects a child seated there or if the seat is unoccupied. There are
adjustable and locking head restraints in all seats. The front versions are
tall enough even when lowered and are active -- they move forward and
upward in response to the force of the occupant's body to further reduce
head travel and whiplash injury. Restraints in the second- and third-row
seats must be raised to provide adequate protection for taller passengers.
Driving with kids: Third-row seating does not provide enough room to
install rear-facing seats behind the raised second-row seatbacks.
Front-facing seats can be installed, but there are no top tether anchors
for the third row. Some rear-facing infant seat bases will also prove
difficult to secure in the second-row seats using the seatbelts due to
side-to-side movement or belts anchored forward of the seatbacks. LATCH
installations should be secure; there are lower LATCH anchors in the
outboard second-row seats, but they are recessed and awkward to access.
There are three top tether anchors for the second row on the seatbacks.

RELIABILITY
We expect reliability to be better than average, according to our latest
subscriber survey.
Tested model: 2007 Limited 4-door SUV AWD, 3.3-liter V6, 5-speed automatic
Major options: Touring package (third row seat, rear climate control),
premium package (sunroof).

This road test applies to the current model year of this vehicle.

Owner Satisfaction: 75% owners surveyed said they'd buy another one. The
highest rating was 83%, and the lowest was 32% (Jeep Commander). The
Hyundai was in the top third.


Hope that helps. One of my brothers-in-law has a sedan, and he likes it
very much.

But remember, when I was there Korea was called 'The Land of the Almost
Perfect'. Everything had something wrong with it. But, that was over
twenty-five years ago. Maybe things are better now.
--
We say, "MERRY CHRISTMAS!"

John

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wrote in message
...
On Dec 18, 7:54 pm, Jim wrote:
Boater wrote:
BAR wrote:
Jim wrote:
HK wrote:
BAR wrote:
Boater wrote:

Actually, he doesn't really have a job. He's an "at-will"
employee, a day worker, as it were, with no benefits whatsoever.

What benefits do I need? I take responsibility for my current needs
and my future needs.

To each his own. I am thankful for my many years of union membership
and the fact that I kept it up even though I haven't worked at my
skilled union trade for a long, long time. I've paid for my
benefits, but thanks to collective effort, they are far superior and
at a lower price than I could have purchased individually. Plus,
they have been "portable," and not related to payroll employment I
have had since.

The pension I will be getting if ever I put in for it will be small,
but the health benefits all these years have been first-rate.

The best financial decision I ever made was the day after I realized
for certain "the stock market" was a fraud. I got almost entirely
out of the market then, and haven't looked back. Some of my buddies
took a real bath in their 401k accounts, and I feel for them.

I'm friendly with the head of investments at one of the
international union pension funds. They stopped investing in stocks
about 25 years ago because no matter what they bought, someone
complained about the corporation's behavior. I'm not familiar with
their portfolio, but I do know they keep well ahead of liabilities
for their current and future defined benefit pension holders.

Aren't you eligible to piggy back on your "wife'/Significant other's"
benefit plan? Does her union recognize domestic partnerships for
benefit programs?

Is Harry a lesbian?

In my next life.

The pile of **** known as FloridaJim is so curious about me. Strange.

You certainly are strange. But you do have a certain perverse
entertainment value.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

So, what do you guys think of the Hyundai Santa Fe? I was looking at
them tonight. Like the stability control and the room in the back
seats.. The cockpit is a little tighter than the Blazer and I don't
like the automatic 4WD. You can't lock it in maually, the computer
does it when it needs it...

My daughter has a Santa Fe in 2 wheel drive. Nice car. Not great mileage.

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On Dec 18, 11:23*pm, "Calif Bill" wrote:
wrote in message

...
On Dec 18, 7:54 pm, Jim wrote:





Boater wrote:
BAR wrote:
Jim wrote:
HK wrote:
BAR wrote:
Boater wrote:

Actually, he doesn't really have a job. He's an "at-will"
employee, a day worker, as it were, with no benefits whatsoever.

What benefits do I need? I take responsibility for my current needs
and my future needs.

To each his own. I am thankful for my many years of union membership
and the fact that I kept it up even though I haven't worked at my
skilled union trade for a long, long time. I've paid for my
benefits, but thanks to collective effort, they are far superior and
at a lower price than I could have purchased individually. Plus,
they have been "portable," and not related to payroll employment I
have had since.

The pension I will be getting if ever I put in for it will be small,
but the health benefits all these years have been first-rate.

The best financial decision I ever made was the day after I realized
for certain "the stock market" was a fraud. I got almost entirely
out of the market then, and haven't looked back. Some of my buddies
took a real bath in their 401k accounts, and I feel for them.

I'm friendly with the head of investments at one of the
international union pension funds. They stopped investing in stocks
about 25 years ago because no matter what they bought, someone
complained about the corporation's behavior. I'm not familiar with
their portfolio, but I do know they keep well ahead of liabilities
for their current and future defined benefit pension holders.

Aren't you eligible to piggy back on your "wife'/Significant other's"
benefit plan? Does her union recognize domestic partnerships for
benefit programs?

Is Harry a lesbian?

In my next life.

The pile of **** known as FloridaJim is so curious about me. Strange.

You certainly are strange. But you do have a certain perverse
entertainment value.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

So, what do you guys think of the Hyundai Santa Fe? I was looking at
them tonight. Like the stability control and the room in the back
seats.. The cockpit is a little tighter than the Blazer and I don't
like the automatic 4WD. You can't lock it in maually, the computer
does it when it needs it...

My daughter has a Santa Fe in 2 wheel drive. *Nice car. *Not great mileage.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

I looked at them a bit when trying to decide on an SUV or a truck. I
like them a lot! Fit and finish is decent, good warranty and quite
comfortable.

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"Calif Bill" wrote in message
...

wrote in message
...
On Dec 18, 7:54 pm, Jim wrote:
Boater wrote:
BAR wrote:
Jim wrote:
HK wrote:
BAR wrote:
Boater wrote:

Actually, he doesn't really have a job. He's an "at-will"
employee, a day worker, as it were, with no benefits whatsoever.

What benefits do I need? I take responsibility for my current needs
and my future needs.

To each his own. I am thankful for my many years of union membership
and the fact that I kept it up even though I haven't worked at my
skilled union trade for a long, long time. I've paid for my
benefits, but thanks to collective effort, they are far superior and
at a lower price than I could have purchased individually. Plus,
they have been "portable," and not related to payroll employment I
have had since.

The pension I will be getting if ever I put in for it will be small,
but the health benefits all these years have been first-rate.

The best financial decision I ever made was the day after I realized
for certain "the stock market" was a fraud. I got almost entirely
out of the market then, and haven't looked back. Some of my buddies
took a real bath in their 401k accounts, and I feel for them.

I'm friendly with the head of investments at one of the
international union pension funds. They stopped investing in stocks
about 25 years ago because no matter what they bought, someone
complained about the corporation's behavior. I'm not familiar with
their portfolio, but I do know they keep well ahead of liabilities
for their current and future defined benefit pension holders.

Aren't you eligible to piggy back on your "wife'/Significant other's"
benefit plan? Does her union recognize domestic partnerships for
benefit programs?

Is Harry a lesbian?

In my next life.

The pile of **** known as FloridaJim is so curious about me. Strange.

You certainly are strange. But you do have a certain perverse
entertainment value.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

So, what do you guys think of the Hyundai Santa Fe? I was looking at
them tonight. Like the stability control and the room in the back
seats.. The cockpit is a little tighter than the Blazer and I don't
like the automatic 4WD. You can't lock it in maually, the computer
does it when it needs it...

My daughter has a Santa Fe in 2 wheel drive. Nice car. Not great
mileage.

They had a pretty good deal on 2008 Santa Fes here last month.
We thought it was a bit big for our needs.

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On Dec 18, 8:04*pm, wrote:
On Dec 18, 7:54*pm, Jim wrote:





Boater wrote:
BAR wrote:
Jim wrote:
HK wrote:
BAR wrote:
Boater wrote:

Actually, he doesn't really have a job. He's an "at-will"
employee, a day worker, as it were, with no benefits whatsoever.

What benefits do I need? I take responsibility for my current needs
and my future needs.

To each his own. I am thankful for my many years of union membership
and the fact that I kept it up even though I haven't worked at my
skilled union trade for a long, long time. I've paid for my
benefits, but thanks to collective effort, they are far superior and
at a lower price than I could have purchased individually. Plus,
they have been "portable," and not related to payroll employment I
have had since.

The pension I will be getting if ever I put in for it will be small,
but the health benefits all these years have been first-rate.

The best financial decision I ever made was the day after I realized
for certain "the stock market" was a fraud. I got almost entirely
out of the market then, and haven't looked back. Some of my buddies
took a real bath in their 401k accounts, and I feel for them.

I'm friendly with the head of investments at one of the
international union pension funds. They stopped investing in stocks
about 25 years ago because no matter what they bought, someone
complained about the corporation's behavior. I'm not familiar with
their portfolio, but I do know they keep well ahead of liabilities
for their current and future defined benefit pension holders.

Aren't you eligible to piggy back on your "wife'/Significant other's"
benefit plan? Does her union recognize domestic partnerships for
benefit programs?

Is Harry a lesbian?

In my next life.

The pile of **** known as FloridaJim is so curious about me. Strange.

You certainly are strange. But you do have a certain perverse
entertainment value.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

So, what do you guys think of the Hyundai Santa Fe? I was looking at
them tonight. Like the stability control and the room in the back
seats.. The cockpit is a little tighter than the Blazer and I don't
like the automatic 4WD. You can't lock it in maually, the computer
does it when it needs it...- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

I looked them over real good before I decided on my truck. I really
like them. They are comfortable, good warranty, etc.

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BAR wrote:
wrote:


The problem with vehicles in this class is that the third row seats are
for midgets and toddlers. Try getting into them and sitting in them for
30 minutes and see how you like it. They are more of a sales gimmick
than usable seats.


Ever try to sit in the "jump seats" in an Austin-Healey? :)

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Gene wrote:
On Fri, 19 Dec 2008 11:46:20 -0500, Boater
wrote:

BAR wrote:
wrote:
The problem with vehicles in this class is that the third row seats are
for midgets and toddlers. Try getting into them and sitting in them for
30 minutes and see how you like it. They are more of a sales gimmick
than usable seats.

Ever try to sit in the "jump seats" in an Austin-Healey? :)

When I had any interest, whatsoever, in a back seat.... the winner
was.......


.................a Rambler Rebel.



I was able to accomplish the task in the front seats of an MG-A and a
TR-4. I had a P544 Volvo for a while, one of my very favorite cars, and
its backseat was big enough for a menage a tois. I know that for a fact!

But I was very young then, and a lot more "bendable" than I am now. So
were the girls.

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Don White wrote:
"Calif Bill" wrote in message
...
wrote in message
...
On Dec 18, 7:54 pm, Jim wrote:
Boater wrote:
BAR wrote:
Jim wrote:
HK wrote:
BAR wrote:
Boater wrote:
Actually, he doesn't really have a job. He's an "at-will"
employee, a day worker, as it were, with no benefits whatsoever.
What benefits do I need? I take responsibility for my current needs
and my future needs.
To each his own. I am thankful for my many years of union membership
and the fact that I kept it up even though I haven't worked at my
skilled union trade for a long, long time. I've paid for my
benefits, but thanks to collective effort, they are far superior and
at a lower price than I could have purchased individually. Plus,
they have been "portable," and not related to payroll employment I
have had since.
The pension I will be getting if ever I put in for it will be small,
but the health benefits all these years have been first-rate.
The best financial decision I ever made was the day after I realized
for certain "the stock market" was a fraud. I got almost entirely
out of the market then, and haven't looked back. Some of my buddies
took a real bath in their 401k accounts, and I feel for them.
I'm friendly with the head of investments at one of the
international union pension funds. They stopped investing in stocks
about 25 years ago because no matter what they bought, someone
complained about the corporation's behavior. I'm not familiar with
their portfolio, but I do know they keep well ahead of liabilities
for their current and future defined benefit pension holders.
Aren't you eligible to piggy back on your "wife'/Significant other's"
benefit plan? Does her union recognize domestic partnerships for
benefit programs?
Is Harry a lesbian?
In my next life.
The pile of **** known as FloridaJim is so curious about me. Strange.
You certainly are strange. But you do have a certain perverse
entertainment value.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -
So, what do you guys think of the Hyundai Santa Fe? I was looking at
them tonight. Like the stability control and the room in the back
seats.. The cockpit is a little tighter than the Blazer and I don't
like the automatic 4WD. You can't lock it in maually, the computer
does it when it needs it...

My daughter has a Santa Fe in 2 wheel drive. Nice car. Not great
mileage.

They had a pretty good deal on 2008 Santa Fes here last month.
We thought it was a bit big for our needs.

Was the price reduced by 20%. It is a 1 year old vehicle.

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BAR wrote:
Don White wrote:
"Calif Bill" wrote in message
...
wrote in message
...
On Dec 18, 7:54 pm, Jim wrote:
Boater wrote:
BAR wrote:
Jim wrote:
HK wrote:
BAR wrote:
Boater wrote:
Actually, he doesn't really have a job. He's an "at-will"
employee, a day worker, as it were, with no benefits whatsoever.
What benefits do I need? I take responsibility for my current
needs
and my future needs.
To each his own. I am thankful for my many years of union
membership
and the fact that I kept it up even though I haven't worked at my
skilled union trade for a long, long time. I've paid for my
benefits, but thanks to collective effort, they are far superior
and
at a lower price than I could have purchased individually. Plus,
they have been "portable," and not related to payroll employment I
have had since.
The pension I will be getting if ever I put in for it will be
small,
but the health benefits all these years have been first-rate.
The best financial decision I ever made was the day after I
realized
for certain "the stock market" was a fraud. I got almost entirely
out of the market then, and haven't looked back. Some of my buddies
took a real bath in their 401k accounts, and I feel for them.
I'm friendly with the head of investments at one of the
international union pension funds. They stopped investing in stocks
about 25 years ago because no matter what they bought, someone
complained about the corporation's behavior. I'm not familiar with
their portfolio, but I do know they keep well ahead of liabilities
for their current and future defined benefit pension holders.
Aren't you eligible to piggy back on your "wife'/Significant
other's"
benefit plan? Does her union recognize domestic partnerships for
benefit programs?
Is Harry a lesbian?
In my next life.
The pile of **** known as FloridaJim is so curious about me. Strange.
You certainly are strange. But you do have a certain perverse
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So, what do you guys think of the Hyundai Santa Fe? I was looking at
them tonight. Like the stability control and the room in the back
seats.. The cockpit is a little tighter than the Blazer and I don't
like the automatic 4WD. You can't lock it in maually, the computer
does it when it needs it...

My daughter has a Santa Fe in 2 wheel drive. Nice car. Not great
mileage.

They had a pretty good deal on 2008 Santa Fes here last month.
We thought it was a bit big for our needs.

Was the price reduced by 20%. It is a 1 year old vehicle.
Sounds logical but I've never been able to get the right discount and
also get them to eat the first year depreciation. I walhed away from a 6
figure deal because of that. Ended up buying something else from someone
else.

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Jim wrote:
BAR wrote:
Don White wrote:
"Calif Bill" wrote in message
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On Dec 18, 7:54 pm, Jim wrote:
Boater wrote:
BAR wrote:
Jim wrote:
HK wrote:
BAR wrote:
Boater wrote:
Actually, he doesn't really have a job. He's an "at-will"
employee, a day worker, as it were, with no benefits whatsoever.
What benefits do I need? I take responsibility for my current
needs
and my future needs.
To each his own. I am thankful for my many years of union
membership
and the fact that I kept it up even though I haven't worked at my
skilled union trade for a long, long time. I've paid for my
benefits, but thanks to collective effort, they are far
superior and
at a lower price than I could have purchased individually. Plus,
they have been "portable," and not related to payroll employment I
have had since.
The pension I will be getting if ever I put in for it will be
small,
but the health benefits all these years have been first-rate.
The best financial decision I ever made was the day after I
realized
for certain "the stock market" was a fraud. I got almost entirely
out of the market then, and haven't looked back. Some of my
buddies
took a real bath in their 401k accounts, and I feel for them.
I'm friendly with the head of investments at one of the
international union pension funds. They stopped investing in
stocks
about 25 years ago because no matter what they bought, someone
complained about the corporation's behavior. I'm not familiar with
their portfolio, but I do know they keep well ahead of liabilities
for their current and future defined benefit pension holders.
Aren't you eligible to piggy back on your "wife'/Significant
other's"
benefit plan? Does her union recognize domestic partnerships for
benefit programs?
Is Harry a lesbian?
In my next life.
The pile of **** known as FloridaJim is so curious about me. Strange.
You certainly are strange. But you do have a certain perverse
entertainment value.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -
So, what do you guys think of the Hyundai Santa Fe? I was looking at
them tonight. Like the stability control and the room in the back
seats.. The cockpit is a little tighter than the Blazer and I don't
like the automatic 4WD. You can't lock it in maually, the computer
does it when it needs it...

My daughter has a Santa Fe in 2 wheel drive. Nice car. Not great
mileage.

They had a pretty good deal on 2008 Santa Fes here last month.
We thought it was a bit big for our needs.

Was the price reduced by 20%. It is a 1 year old vehicle.
Sounds logical but I've never been able to get the right discount and
also get them to eat the first year depreciation. I walhed away from a 6
figure deal because of that. Ended up buying something else from someone
else.

All you are doing by buying last years model, of anything, without a
deep discount is paying for the dealer's inability to sell the item in a
timely manner.

When the wife bought her new Jeep they tried to get her to buy a 2008.
at full price. I asked them how much they would give her for it as a
trade in in two months. They wouldn't answer.

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On Dec 19, 12:34*pm, Boater wrote:
Gene wrote:
On Fri, 19 Dec 2008 11:46:20 -0500, Boater
wrote:

BAR wrote:
wrote:
The problem with vehicles in this class is that the third row seats are
for midgets and toddlers. Try getting into them and sitting in them for
30 minutes and see how you like it. They are more of a sales gimmick
than usable seats.

Ever try to sit in the "jump seats" in an Austin-Healey? * :)

When I had any interest, whatsoever, in a back seat.... the winner
was.......

.................a Rambler Rebel.

I was able to accomplish the task in the front seats of an MG-A and a
TR-4. I had a P544 Volvo for a while, one of my very favorite cars, and
its backseat was big enough for a menage a tois. I know that for a fact!

But I was very young then, and a lot more "bendable" than I am now. So
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All right, saved for when I call Karen!