On Tue, 16 Dec 2008 10:21:29 -0500, BAR wrote:


GM and Chrysler need to go bankrupt. Their management needs to change
and their union contracts need to be voided. The skill in putting pieces
of a car together does not warrant the money that the union workers
receive. And, getting paid 95% for sitting around reading a newspaper
all day long is ridiculous. Whomever agreed to that on both sides of the
table should be take out back and shot.

Help me out here, you're a good Conservative. How do you justify
*giving* $3.6 billion to foreign auto makers, but aren't willing to
*loan* money to keep American manufacturers alive. Seems a little
unfair, and perhaps, un-American, doesn't it?

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On Tue, 16 Dec 2008 10:21:29 -0500, BAR wrote:


GM and Chrysler need to go bankrupt. Their management needs to change
and their union contracts need to be voided. The skill in putting pieces
of a car together does not warrant the money that the union workers
receive. And, getting paid 95% for sitting around reading a newspaper
all day long is ridiculous. Whomever agreed to that on both sides of the
table should be take out back and shot.

Help me out here, you're a good Conservative. How do you justify
*giving* $3.6 billion to foreign auto makers, but aren't willing to
*loan* money to keep American manufacturers alive. Seems a little
unfair, and perhaps, un-American, doesn't it?

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The consistent theme in all the rightie "Cures" for the Big Three is to
bust the unions. There's nothing more to it.

Boater wrote:
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On Tue, 16 Dec 2008 10:21:29 -0500, BAR wrote:


GM and Chrysler need to go bankrupt. Their management needs to change
and their union contracts need to be voided. The skill in putting pieces
of a car together does not warrant the money that the union workers
receive. And, getting paid 95% for sitting around reading a newspaper
all day long is ridiculous. Whomever agreed to that on both sides of the
table should be take out back and shot.

Help me out here, you're a good Conservative. How do you justify
*giving* $3.6 billion to foreign auto makers, but aren't willing to
*loan* money to keep American manufacturers alive. Seems a little
unfair, and perhaps, un-American, doesn't it?

http://www.wbay.com/global/story.asp...Type=Printable



The consistent theme in all the rightie "Cures" for the Big Three is to
bust the unions. There's nothing more to it.

The unions are 1/2 of the problem.

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On Tue, 16 Dec 2008 10:21:29 -0500, BAR wrote:


GM and Chrysler need to go bankrupt. Their management needs to change
and their union contracts need to be voided. The skill in putting pieces
of a car together does not warrant the money that the union workers
receive. And, getting paid 95% for sitting around reading a newspaper
all day long is ridiculous. Whomever agreed to that on both sides of the
table should be take out back and shot.

Help me out here, you're a good Conservative. How do you justify
*giving* $3.6 billion to foreign auto makers, but aren't willing to
*loan* money to keep American manufacturers alive. Seems a little
unfair, and perhaps, un-American, doesn't it?

http://www.wbay.com/global/story.asp...Type=Printable


I'm sure that if GM, Ford and Chrysler wanted to build plants in
southern states and bring jobs to those state the state governments
would be happy to build infrastructure and give tax breaks to obtain
those jobs.

Even my county will give tax breaks to companies to keep white collar
jobs in the county and the state will give tax breaks to keep the jobs
in the state. All you have to do is engage a commercial real estate
agent in another county or state and you will get a call form your
county and states business development office.

On Tue, 16 Dec 2008 11:49:43 -0500, BAR wrote:

wrote:
On Tue, 16 Dec 2008 10:21:29 -0500, BAR wrote:


GM and Chrysler need to go bankrupt. Their management needs to change
and their union contracts need to be voided. The skill in putting
pieces of a car together does not warrant the money that the union
workers receive. And, getting paid 95% for sitting around reading a
newspaper all day long is ridiculous. Whomever agreed to that on both
sides of the table should be take out back and shot.

Help me out here, you're a good Conservative. How do you justify
*giving* $3.6 billion to foreign auto makers, but aren't willing to
*loan* money to keep American manufacturers alive. Seems a little
unfair, and perhaps, un-American, doesn't it?

http://www.wbay.com/global/story.asp...Type=Printable


I'm sure that if GM, Ford and Chrysler wanted to build plants in
southern states and bring jobs to those state the state governments
would be happy to build infrastructure and give tax breaks to obtain
those jobs.

Even my county will give tax breaks to companies to keep white collar
jobs in the county and the state will give tax breaks to keep the jobs
in the state. All you have to do is engage a commercial real estate
agent in another county or state and you will get a call form your
county and states business development office.

Oh, so it's about helping yours, not ours, is that it? So, for Shelby,
Corker, Mitchell, et.al, it wasn't about keeping government out of the
marketplace, was it? It was about protecting foreign companies at the
expense of American companies.

Then, perhaps, you can explain how we managed to sign a "free trade"
agreement, that limits American manufacturers to selling 5,000 cars in
South Korea, but allows them to sell 600,000 cars here. Our government
played a role in getting Detroit into this mess, perhaps small, but still
a role. It should play a role in getting it out of this mess.

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On Tue, 16 Dec 2008 11:49:43 -0500, BAR wrote:

wrote:
On Tue, 16 Dec 2008 10:21:29 -0500, BAR wrote:


GM and Chrysler need to go bankrupt. Their management needs to change
and their union contracts need to be voided. The skill in putting
pieces of a car together does not warrant the money that the union
workers receive. And, getting paid 95% for sitting around reading a
newspaper all day long is ridiculous. Whomever agreed to that on both
sides of the table should be take out back and shot.
Help me out here, you're a good Conservative. How do you justify
*giving* $3.6 billion to foreign auto makers, but aren't willing to
*loan* money to keep American manufacturers alive. Seems a little
unfair, and perhaps, un-American, doesn't it?

http://www.wbay.com/global/story.asp...Type=Printable


I'm sure that if GM, Ford and Chrysler wanted to build plants in
southern states and bring jobs to those state the state governments
would be happy to build infrastructure and give tax breaks to obtain
those jobs.

Even my county will give tax breaks to companies to keep white collar
jobs in the county and the state will give tax breaks to keep the jobs
in the state. All you have to do is engage a commercial real estate
agent in another county or state and you will get a call form your
county and states business development office.

Oh, so it's about helping yours, not ours, is that it? So, for Shelby,
Corker, Mitchell, et.al, it wasn't about keeping government out of the
marketplace, was it? It was about protecting foreign companies at the
expense of American companies.

I don't expect my state, Maryland, to send the state income taxes that
they collect to New Mexico.

Then, perhaps, you can explain how we managed to sign a "free trade"
agreement, that limits American manufacturers to selling 5,000 cars in
South Korea, but allows them to sell 600,000 cars here. Our government
played a role in getting Detroit into this mess, perhaps small, but still
a role. It should play a role in getting it out of this mess.

You are talking apples and oranges. Whine to your US Congressmen about
the lousy agreement with South Korea. Th money you identified above all
came from the states.

"BAR" wrote in message
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I don't expect my state, Maryland, to send the state income taxes that
they collect to New Mexico.

Lots is going towards Michigan, Illiois and NY.

Sucks but it is true.

Canuck57 wrote:
"BAR" wrote in message
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I don't expect my state, Maryland, to send the state income taxes that
they collect to New Mexico.

Lots is going towards Michigan, Illiois and NY.

Sucks but it is true.

Federal income tax but not state income tax.

I think the closed down a mini van plant in Baltimore or are going to
close one down soon.

"BAR" wrote in message
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Canuck57 wrote:
"BAR" wrote in message
...

I don't expect my state, Maryland, to send the state income taxes that
they collect to New Mexico.

Lots is going towards Michigan, Illiois and NY.

Sucks but it is true.

Federal income tax but not state income tax.

I think the closed down a mini van plant in Baltimore or are going to
close one down soon.

I think GM is taking 5 weeks off in January, February. Knowing GM, mostly
with pay.